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Post by Pleonast on Oct 7, 2013 12:23:19 GMT -5
I already have, but here it is again: I'm a protective role. I can protect players. But the players you will protect will not be the players that town needs to have protected. So you don't threaten us, but neither do you do anything to especially help us. I don't consider this reason enough to keep you alive. However, your alleged full claim looks plausible. That is reason enough to not lynch, at least until further information develops. What I don't understand is why Idle claimed before using his protects - To win his protects need to live to end game. So why not use your protects then claim? Now to "prove" his claim he will need to tell us who he protects which is too much information to give scum IMO so I would like to hear why he claimed right out of the gate and not the well I have done it before reason. Idle doesn't need to prove anything. An unforced claim is a different animal than a forced claim. We need a reason to lynch-- Idle's claim is not obviously anti-town, so lynching them is not more likely to help town than lynching any other. I don't see a strong reason for Idle to reveal their protections. Some information is better kept secret until it can be leveraged more usefully. On a side note - I haven't played a multi-vote game before so how many is a good number of votes - too many will cloud the issue but to few looks scummy? I'm leaning towards three votes - any oldies want to weight in with your ideas? Please read my rules of thumb in my previous post. Don't aim for a certain number of votes. Aim for voting for players you think should be lynched, and not voting for players you think should not be.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 7, 2013 14:05:23 GMT -5
how can you protect A,B,Q and Z with only two protects?? What the hell are you talking about? I don't have a limited number of protects. You are confusing yourself or reading it wrong. I protect one person a night, it's as easy as that. That person then has the "protection" status the rest of the game,...although they are only LITERALLY PROTECTED for the first two Nights. The rest of the game they are not....but they still count towards my "Players protected" count. Understand now? That last part is just an example of how the wincon would work. ]But the players you will protect will not be the players that town needs to have protected. I don't understand what you mean. I can protect Town people, so that IS good. Sure I will be protecting scum along the way as well, but I won't know who is who, for one.....for two, the times when I do protect Town will DEFINITELY be good for that townsperson. Extra protection role (for one, possibly two Nights (or Day)).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 7, 2013 14:08:06 GMT -5
Believe me, if I can use my power for good, I will. If someone claims doc or detective, I have no problem protecting that person for that Night if the claim looks good or is believed (by most people and/or myself).
So I don't really understand your "The players you protect will not be the ones that Town needs."
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 7, 2013 14:08:27 GMT -5
If the role works as described, it's not particularly helpful to anyone but Idle, largely because since it can't repeat protections and is thus unreliable. I would not be upset about losing it, because the chances of it actually protecting anyone are slim since it doesn't really incentivize targeting people in danger, since those people will still be in danger after the protection wears off and Idle will want his targets to live as long as possible. There's little reason to worry much on the town's end about keeping the role alive.
Conversely, the possibility of the role being PFK is pretty real: Idle hoped that by claiming early he wouldn't be considered strongly for lynch or investigation, and that by playing up the protective aspect of the role the town would want to keep him around. Since I don't see much reason not to kill him, and do see a pretty reasonable reason (at least, more reasonable than literally anyone else this early in the game), I'll Vote: IdleThoughts.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 7, 2013 14:11:05 GMT -5
Because since, gross. I need to start previewing more if I can't edit posts with votes in them.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 7, 2013 14:11:14 GMT -5
So, like I asked Dizzy, you're okay with killing off a claimed protective role, just to be clear?
You have a role that can protect players, albeit it has flaws.....but who cares, kill them....right?
Well, okay.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 7, 2013 14:14:45 GMT -5
Conversely, the possibility of the role being PFK is pretty real: Great. So when I'm shown not to be PFK, I can expect you to say something along the lines of "Oops, well, I was wrong and I now admit that having a neutral 3rd party extra protector around--just in case--might have been useful." Right?
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 7, 2013 14:23:14 GMT -5
]But the players you will protect will not be the players that town needs to have protected. I don't understand what you mean. I can protect Town people, so that IS good. Sure I will be protecting scum along the way as well, but I won't know who is who, for one.....for two, the times when I do protect Town will DEFINITELY be good for that townsperson. Extra protection role (for one, possibly two Nights (or Day)). You will be protecting players who you think likely to survive until end-game. Because you win when everyone at end game has been protected by you. In contrast, a pro-town protector will be protecting players who are likely to be Night-killed by scum. That is, players who are not likely to survive until end-game because they are likely targets of scum. While you could target players that helps town more than you, why should we believe you'll play your role in a way that actively reduces your chance of winning? Conversely, the possibility of the role being PFK is pretty real: Idle hoped that by claiming early he wouldn't be considered strongly for lynch or investigation, and that by playing up the protective aspect of the role the town would want to keep him around. Since I don't see much reason not to kill him, and do see a pretty reasonable reason (at least, more reasonable than literally anyone else this early in the game), I'll Vote: IdleThoughts. I think your vote on Idle is an attempt to get a controversial player lynched when there is no evidence that they are a threat. Lynches of third parties are mislynches just as much as lynches of townies, in that they advance scum's win condition. Saying that Idle could be a PFK has just as much evidence saying Meeko could be. An early unforced claim is not evidence for it. vote FruitAndGarbage for advocating an easy lynch target.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 7, 2013 14:29:21 GMT -5
I think FruitandGarbage is just trying to make sure to nip Idle, in case he is a PFK and not a general 3rd party.
I don't think that Idle is a win stealer, so I won't go that route.
Pleonast claimed to not have a power that he can "use"... That has caught my attention at the moment, because there are only a few roles that I can think of that fits that. Whether he is town or not, that is what I'm debating right now. Unsure right now, but Pleonast is a very skilled player so I can't count anything out
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 7, 2013 14:37:55 GMT -5
Conversely, the possibility of the role being PFK is pretty real: Great. So when I'm shown not to be PFK, I can expect you to say something along the lines of "Oops, well, I was wrong and I now admit that having a neutral 3rd party extra protector around--just in case--might have been useful." Right? No, just the first half. I already admit that there's a possibility of having a protector around being useful: I don't think it will be, given how the role encourages you to pick protectees, but even one forestalled nightkill is helpful. I just don't think that possibility is commensurate with the possibility of you being pfk, and given that mad bomber wins have a way of sneaking up, I'd prefer to deal with that sooner than later. Especially since as the game stands right now there's not really any other information to go on. I intend to stand by my philosophy of vote early, vote often, especially in a multivote game. If that draws attention to me for "easy" votes, then so be it. I'm not going to argue or try to turn this around with an OMGUS, since I've already stated why I'm voting (role unlikely to successfully protect and cannot protect important roles in the long term, possible pfk). I might not keep the vote here forever, but right now I'm not seeing a reason not to; I'm certainly not going to change play to keep votes off me.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 7, 2013 15:37:59 GMT -5
FruitAndGarbage, I am having a bit of trouble trying to understand why a PFK would have a protective role. Doesn't that seem like a very strange role?
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Post by thelastdays on Oct 7, 2013 16:01:59 GMT -5
I am suspicious about this claim as well. It's just a nice way for a win stealer to explain why people are getting messages about being kissed on the forehead at night. It's also a pretty powerful role and, as others have pointed out, your chances of winning might have been damaged by your claim. I don't know you but I get that you claim early often but why with a role like this? Why would you even sign up for a game if you didn't intent to play for the win? Then, if you play for the win, why do something on Day 1 that might hurt your chances?
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 7, 2013 16:08:16 GMT -5
FruitAndGarbage, I am having a bit of trouble trying to understand why a PFK would have a protective role. Doesn't that seem like a very strange role? There's no guarantee that it's protective (for all we know, he made that up to justify players getting a message), and even if it is protective that doesn't in any way preclude it being PFK. Just last game, we had an investigative PFK, and frankly a protective one makes even more sense, mechanically: it helps the mad bomber's targets not die, making his wincon a little more achievable.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 7, 2013 16:21:44 GMT -5
FruitAndGarbage, I am having a bit of trouble trying to understand why a PFK would have a protective role. Doesn't that seem like a very strange role? There's no guarantee that it's protective (for all we know, he made that up to justify players getting a message), and even if it is protective that doesn't in any way preclude it being PFK. Just last game, we had an investigative PFK, and frankly a protective one makes even more sense, mechanically: it helps the mad bomber's targets not die, making his wincon a little more achievable. That makes some sense, thank you.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 7, 2013 19:09:04 GMT -5
Idle, very um interesting.....SCREAMS a Jester role (Wins if they are lynched). I think we should leave you be for tonight, and let a Vig/SK take care of you. why does this scream jester? this makes you want to lynch him? while it is possible that a jester exists, i really doubt it. players in this board really abhor it. i don't just see it. Well, that's definitely an... interesting start. If it's true, it would seem to indicate that there are multiple killing factions, which is worth knowing. What I can't figure, though, is why you'd mention it at all. Especially on the first day. If I were scum and I saw that role, I'd take a gamble on there being no other docs, or a doc not trusting you, and hit you either tonight or tomorrow. Why would you out a protective role so early on unless you're just trying to forestall an investigation? well that's Idle being Idle. he almost always claims on D1. he's like Pleonast that way. Idle almost always claims on D1? Yikes, I had no idea and I thought I paid attention pretty well. I guess that is why I die so early. I know about Pleo claiming or partially claiming. He's been doing that for years. Idle can you just post your entire role PM for us?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 7, 2013 22:17:32 GMT -5
Wow. Ok. Let me catch up.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 7, 2013 22:31:55 GMT -5
Believe me, if I can use my power for good, I will. If someone claims doc or detective, I have no problem protecting that person for that Night if the claim looks good or is believed (by most people and/or myself). So I don't really understand your "The players you protect will not be the ones that Town needs." And in this post, we have the fishing expedition in earnest, after the "fish story" that was the opening post / claim. What is with everyone doing everything the can in the very first response post? I thought wine was supposed to be savored, not downed like shots.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 7, 2013 22:48:00 GMT -5
Okay, so a lot of info coming...it's a lot too. Sounds like my role is one of the most convoluted ones in the game, I imagine. Certainly one of the most convoluted ones I've ever read, so read the following carefully: Snipped, obviously. Why are you telling us what you THINK your role is? And that's assuming you are telling the truth. Best case scenario, your post reads like you are cherry picking or shopping around the choice parts you want broadcasted. You are giving us a version of the truth. Read another way, you are inserting non-truth. You are pinging the hell out of me. I'm not voting at present because of two reasons; 1. Previous games have taught us to change "named players" and their assumed roles. Hence the dis-congruity between your powers and your name that you are exploiting. 2. Further down this road ( heh ) I, and I would assume most players, are not familiar, at all with the novels. Roles will not agree with the movie counterparts. We all need to keep this in mind. What is the protocol (if the game setup allows for it) for counterclaiming. On day 1? Is a 1:1 trade always advantageous?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 7, 2013 23:00:22 GMT -5
Okay, so a lot of info coming...it's a lot too. Sounds like my role is one of the most convoluted ones in the game, I imagine. Certainly one of the most convoluted ones I've ever read, so read the following carefully: Snipped, obviously. Why are you telling us what you THINK your role is? And that's assuming you are telling the truth. Best case scenario, your post reads like you are cherry picking or shopping around the choice parts you want broadcasted. You are giving us a version of the truth. Read another way, you are inserting non-truth. You are pinging the hell out of me. I'm not voting at present because of two reasons; 1. Previous games have taught us to change "named players" and their assumed roles. Hence the dis-congruity between your powers and your name that you are exploiting. 2. Further down this road ( heh ) I, and I would assume most players, are not familiar, at all with the novels. Roles will not agree with the movie counterparts. We all need to keep this in mind. What is the protocol (if the game setup allows for it) for counterclaiming. On day 1? Is a 1:1 trade always advantageous? To clarify, I'm not giving anyone a free ride, I could be wrong with this, just as you could be wrong with what you have told us.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 7, 2013 23:23:10 GMT -5
Vote: idle
The motivation to piece out, and self editorialize a role, and NOT offer explanations similar to the two reasons I gave above (The rationale to change named players from their assumed powers, and the distance between the characters of the novels and the characters as portrayed in the movie) can never be pro-town.
I can argue both ways, but the ping remains.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 8, 2013 0:56:45 GMT -5
What is the protocol (if the game setup allows for it) for counterclaiming. On day 1? Is a 1:1 trade always advantageous? You can never say always in a closed setup. There's simply too much possibility got unforeseen consequences or unpredictable roles. Based on a vanilla setup, a 1:1 trade is usually advantageous for town, even if the town's loss is someone important like a doc or cop, but there's no way to know whether that holds true here. When I play Werewolf in person, there's a role called the Elder that has an extra life versus night-kills, but if they're ever lynched, every town power role is permanently nullified; a trade like that wouldn't be very advantageous, and we can't say for certain something like that doesn't exist here. So, uh, tl;dr, usually? But you can never assume.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 8, 2013 1:51:15 GMT -5
In contrast, a pro-town protector will be protecting players who are likely to be Night-killed by scum. That is, players who are not likely to survive until end-game because they are likely targets of scum. While you could target players that helps town more than you, why should we believe you'll play your role in a way that actively reduces your chance of winning? Ah, I get you now. Well, I'd be willing to give my protections to pro-town players, provided I can help out in any way...if I'm left alive, of course, and if I'm still able to for said person. Idle can you just post your entire role PM for us? I already did before your post here..?? ]And in this post, we have the fishing expedition in earnest, after the "fish story" that was the opening post / claim. I wasn't fishing in any way for anything. You're truly off your rocker if you got that impression. Not to mention, there's this great gem: Why are you telling us what you THINK your role is? And that's assuming you are telling the truth. I didn't do anything of the sort, you nut. How about you try to make some sense? I was giving my opinion about how confusing I think my role is based on everything I KNOW about it. Why you making it seem like I'm unsure about my own role?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 8, 2013 1:52:06 GMT -5
Nevermind, forget it...it's Meekotown.
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Post by swammerdami on Oct 8, 2013 5:06:54 GMT -5
Is vote-counting automated? If not I apologize. But it does seem best to be upfront about my suspicions.
Vote: gnarlycharlie Vote: Colby11 Vote: FruitandGarbage Vote: BillMc Vote: TheLastDays Vote: xArchangelx Vote: dizzymrslizzy Vote: Chameleon Vote: Idle Thoughts Vote: silverjan Vote: Mahaloth Vote: patricia Vote: swammerdami Vote: Pleonast Vote: Meeko Vote: Suburban Plankton
I'll unvote if/when I get a Town lean: Unvote: swammerdami
I think there's a very good chance Idle is a win-stealer or Scum, but it may be safe to keep him alive at least for a short while. Maybe an Investigator will target him, or he'll agree to a partial demonstration of his Power. Unvote: Idle Thoughts
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 8, 2013 8:05:54 GMT -5
I don't understand what you mean. I can protect Town people, so that IS good. Sure I will be protecting scum along the way as well, but I won't know who is who, for one.....for two, the times when I do protect Town will DEFINITELY be good for that townsperson. Extra protection role (for one, possibly two Nights (or Day)). You will be protecting players who you think likely to survive until end-game. Because you win when everyone at end game has been protected by you. In contrast, a pro-town protector will be protecting players who are likely to be Night-killed by scum. That is, players who are not likely to survive until end-game because they are likely targets of scum. While you could target players that helps town more than you, why should we believe you'll play your role in a way that actively reduces your chance of winning? Conversely, the possibility of the role being PFK is pretty real: Idle hoped that by claiming early he wouldn't be considered strongly for lynch or investigation, and that by playing up the protective aspect of the role the town would want to keep him around. Since I don't see much reason not to kill him, and do see a pretty reasonable reason (at least, more reasonable than literally anyone else this early in the game), I'll Vote: IdleThoughts. I think your vote on Idle is an attempt to get a controversial player lynched when there is no evidence that they are a threat. Lynches of third parties are mislynches just as much as lynches of townies, in that they advance scum's win condition. Saying that Idle could be a PFK has just as much evidence saying Meeko could be. An early unforced claim is not evidence for it. vote FruitAndGarbage for advocating an easy lynch target. c'mon. Fruit is low-hanging, well, fruit. i can imagine someone new to our boards to be surprised at this behavior. furthermore, i believe scum, in general, will avoid doing something controversial to draw attention to themselves, especially D1. he voted for Idle despite statements by others that the early claim is not unusual nor particularly scummy. his vote certainly draws attention. i find your vote opportunistic. Vote: PleonastBelieve me, if I can use my power for good, I will. If someone claims doc or detective, I have no problem protecting that person for that Night if the claim looks good or is believed (by most people and/or myself). So I don't really understand your "The players you protect will not be the ones that Town needs." And in this post, we have the fishing expedition in earnest, after the "fish story" that was the opening post / claim. What is with everyone doing everything the can in the very first response post? I thought wine was supposed to be savored, not downed like shots. how was he fishing? he just said he would protect those with believable town claims. do you think power roles will actually claim since he said that? Okay, so a lot of info coming...it's a lot too. Sounds like my role is one of the most convoluted ones in the game, I imagine. Certainly one of the most convoluted ones I've ever read, so read the following carefully: Snipped, obviously. Why are you telling us what you THINK your role is? And that's assuming you are telling the truth. Best case scenario, your post reads like you are cherry picking or shopping around the choice parts you want broadcasted. You are giving us a version of the truth. Read another way, you are inserting non-truth. You are pinging the hell out of me. I'm not voting at present because of two reasons; 1. Previous games have taught us to change "named players" and their assumed roles. Hence the dis-congruity between your powers and your name that you are exploiting. 2. Further down this road ( heh ) I, and I would assume most players, are not familiar, at all with the novels. Roles will not agree with the movie counterparts. We all need to keep this in mind. What is the protocol (if the game setup allows for it) for counterclaiming. On day 1? Is a 1:1 trade always advantageous? can you point out the parts you think he's omitted something? Is vote-counting automated? If not I apologize. But it does seem best to be upfront about my suspicions. Vote: gnarlycharlieVote: Colby11Vote: FruitandGarbageVote: BillMcVote: TheLastDaysVote: xArchangelxVote: dizzymrslizzyVote: ChameleonVote: Idle ThoughtsVote: silverjanVote: MahalothVote: patriciaVote: swammerdamiVote: PleonastVote: MeekoVote: Suburban PlanktonI'll unvote if/when I get a Town lean: Unvote: swammerdamiI think there's a very good chance Idle is a win-stealer or Scum, but it may be safe to keep him alive at least for a short while. Maybe an Investigator will target him, or he'll agree to a partial demonstration of his Power. Unvote: Idle Thoughtsif there's a very good chance he's a win-stealer or scum, why did you unvote him? distancing in case he gets lynched and found to be truthful? Vote: swammerdami
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Post by thelastdays on Oct 8, 2013 8:23:48 GMT -5
I am new to the multi vote thing but I'll try to go with the advice given on voting anyone I think should be lynched.
vote: Idle
As I said before, I don't get the claim. He plays to win, otherwise he wouldn't play. If he is what he says he is this claim could easily hurt his chances to win. I don't think he would deliberately hurt his own chances of winning. My conclusion (surely not the only one possible but the one I find most likely): He is not, what he says he is.
vote: Pleonast I agree with gnarly, that his vote is opportunistic and it definitely warrants to be pressured for it.
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Post by thelastdays on Oct 8, 2013 8:28:11 GMT -5
Ok, I knew I would get this wrong, since I'm not sure my votes in the "wrong" blue will count:
unvote: all
vote: Idle vote: Pleonast
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Post by swammerdami on Oct 8, 2013 8:34:33 GMT -5
It's my general policy to give a short-term pass to claimers, especially when the claim is voluntary. Idle's locked in and may have trouble perpetuating his lie, if it is a lie. If he's a win-stealer it's very unlikely he'll be able to win for several days.
To Lynch Idle toDay will tell us very little, however he flips. (Except to point FOS at the Lynchers who've wasted a Day for Town.)
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Post by Meeko on Oct 8, 2013 9:11:19 GMT -5
Not to mention, there's this great gem: Why are you telling us what you THINK your role is? And that's assuming you are telling the truth. I didn't do anything of the sort, you nut. How about you try to make some sense? I was giving my opinion about how confusing I think my role is based on everything I KNOW about it. Why you making it seem like I'm unsure about my own role? You just made my point for me. I agree you are giving an opinion of your role. Hence, since it is your opinion of stated facts- (I'm treating role information from word of mod as fact, if you can't grasp this, there is nothing additional I can do for you) you could differ from the facts. I argue that your opinion s far from the facts. The distance between the two sews confusion into your play. Town, and more importantly, third party players wanting to play alongside town, or point blank ask town for favor (the favor of not "please don't lynch me") would, rather, should try to eliminate confusion. The voice you use, or rather, since you are using a "voice" at all ""Lots of information coming here now, let's see..."" Or something very similar ..... Deviates from standard roles. You will never convince me an actual role, in any game, contains similar phrasing. You are obviously editing your role. At the point you are editing, you are making choices, one makes choices after they have thought about it. I'm not saying it is informed thought (in general) but then again it is edited. I can't tell if you are posting things that you "know" about your role, or lying. None of us can. You are making it seem like you are unsure. "Okay, so a lot of info coming...it's a lot too."" Is not a vote of confidence. You are setting up a bullshit buffet, and this line is the "Come and get it!" Dinner call. Tell me, at the point someone has "a lot" of something, and is about to wade through it to offer to other players, what is the next step? Selective choice of the lot. Selective. You are being selective here. You are being selective with your role. The chance that you are sure with your selection, either by random choice, or by anti-town motivation? 100% If it was random choice, you would defend against it by eliminating your opinion as much as possible. That is, the closer you are to town, the closer your posting of your role would exactly match your pm. You would post verbatim, and THEN diverge with your fears and suspicions. If you were town, you would either ask, or perhaps already know that characters in this game differ from the movie. I don't see this here. You claim a role. [and I'm not saying it is your role] and it comes out of your mouth one of the furthest things from a role claim that I've ever seen. That distance is not one town would create. To the contrary, townies would want to eliminate chances to have town misunderstand them. So I don't need to ask "why go this far, and not CUT AND PASTE your role?" Because you had ample chance to do so, and you are hiding something. What you hide* is why I vote for you. *the vote is based on the content of the hidden information, not because you've hidden it. Revealing something hidden does not change what it is.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 8, 2013 9:15:34 GMT -5
Is vote-counting automated? If not I apologize. But it does seem best to be upfront about my suspicions. Vote: gnarlycharlieVote: Colby11Vote: FruitandGarbageVote: BillMcVote: TheLastDaysVote: xArchangelxVote: dizzymrslizzyVote: ChameleonVote: Idle ThoughtsVote: silverjanVote: MahalothVote: patriciaVote: swammerdamiVote: PleonastVote: MeekoVote: Suburban PlanktonI'll unvote if/when I get a Town lean: Unvote: swammerdamiI think there's a very good chance Idle is a win-stealer or Scum, but it may be safe to keep him alive at least for a short while. Maybe an Investigator will target him, or he'll agree to a partial demonstration of his Power. Unvote: Idle ThoughtsOh look it, a first day multi vote. Noted.
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