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Post by patricia on Oct 15, 2013 11:45:25 GMT -5
After his comments last night I was interested in what The last Day may have been up to last night so for now I will vote Vote: The Last Days if you think scum killed Idle as I do you should vote the same Can you explain more? Which comments in particular? How do you get from scum killed Idle to voting for Last? While I'm voting you for your swammer vote YesterDay, I'm very open to you making a good case here. Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2013 12:02:13 GMT -5
Well that's certainly an interesting reason to vote for TheLastDays. I'm ready to jump on that train.
Vote: TheLastDays
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2013 12:06:03 GMT -5
Just to add on this a little...
Yesterday TheLastDays voted for:
Swammer - Town Idle - 3rd Party "maybe" pro town Pleo - Claimed Town Colby - unknown
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2013 12:46:27 GMT -5
Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead I don't suppose you'd mind fleshing this out just a wee bit... Are you claiming Watcher? Tracker? A little bird told you?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2013 12:52:59 GMT -5
Suburban, not to speak for Patricia, but here first quote with her vote for LastDays:
That implied that she Tracked LastDays, and her second post is her result, that he visited Idle.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 15, 2013 13:46:28 GMT -5
Come on, dudes, you're better than this. There are lots of reasons for placing a vote without explaining why, especially if it's the first vote on someone rather than a mystery bandwagon. Pointing them all out kind of defeats the purpose, though. Read between the lines a little.
I will say I had no way of knowing what patricia apparently found out, but it's enough to make me cement my vote where it is. That definitely looks like a stronger case than pretty much anyone else at the moment.
Also this may be OMGUS talking, but I'm going to go ahead and vote: Suburban Plankton. So far, to me, everything he's done is pretty parseable as tunneling on minor details and fearmongering on players he thinks he can get lynched. Look at his focus on Colby: I don't think it's particularly weird that he came to the conclusion he did, since it's the first thing I thought of too (I didn't even notice the missing word in Pleo's post the first time around; my brain just filled it in for me since it looked like it fit. I'm just glad I got lucky and autocorrected to the right one). I'm also not sure how you can follow the train of logic he's laying out for a Colby vote but DON'T vote for Pleo (as he isn't): we know there were no night zero actions, so the only way for him to "know" something the rest of us don't is if they're coaligned. So why go after one but not the other? If you think they're third party or scum, put your multivote where your mouth is. Similarly, why vote for patricia only out of the list of swammer voters? gnarlycharlie, Meeko, and tld were all voting for him too. What makes patricia the most suspicious of the bunch?
His day one play is basically the same: it was mostly spent picking apart Idle's roleclaim (which we now know was accurate), casting suspicion on Colby (which I don't like as stated above), and appreciating my joke (the most damning evidence of all). This seems more like picking out easy lynch targets to guarantee a mislynch (especially the claimed third party) than genuine pro-town scumhunting. Obviously, especially with patricia's soft-claim, I'd prefer to see tld lynched today, but the great thing about multivotes is that it lets me cast my suspicions to the wind in a permanently-documented way.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2013 13:55:46 GMT -5
Suburban, not to speak for Patricia, but here first quote with her vote for LastDays: That implied that she Tracked LastDays, and her second post is her result, that he visited Idle. Thanks. I saw her first comment (that you quoted here) but I didn't understand what she was saying. Your explanation does seem to make sense, though. That said, I'm willing to wait a bit for patricia to confirm that, and to see if thelastdays has an explanation, before placing another vote.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2013 14:32:18 GMT -5
I'm taking a gambut and assuming that's what she was trying to say.
I also um agree with Fruit here, as much as I'm not that happy with that statement.
I also was of the impression that Pleo had some kind of either Passive Power Role, like a bomb, or a Masonry of some sort. I don't quite get the harping on Colby, because it was fairly obvious from the tone of Pleo's posts in my mind.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2013 14:32:35 GMT -5
Come on, dudes, you're better than this. There are lots of reasons for placing a vote without explaining why, especially if it's the first vote on someone rather than a mystery bandwagon. Pointing them all out kind of defeats the purpose, though. Read between the lines a little. I will say I had no way of knowing what patricia apparently found out, but it's enough to make me cement my vote where it is. That definitely looks like a stronger case than pretty much anyone else at the moment. Also this may be OMGUS talking, but I'm going to go ahead and vote: Suburban Plankton. So far, to me, everything he's done is pretty parseable as tunneling on minor details and fearmongering on players he thinks he can get lynched. Look at his focus on Colby: I don't think it's particularly weird that he came to the conclusion he did, since it's the first thing I thought of too (I didn't even notice the missing word in Pleo's post the first time around; my brain just filled it in for me since it looked like it fit. I'm just glad I got lucky and autocorrected to the right one). I'm also not sure how you can follow the train of logic he's laying out for a Colby vote but DON'T vote for Pleo (as he isn't): we know there were no night zero actions, so the only way for him to "know" something the rest of us don't is if they're coaligned. So why go after one but not the other? If you think they're third party or scum, put your multivote where your mouth is. Similarly, why vote for patricia only out of the list of swammer voters? gnarlycharlie, Meeko, and tld were all voting for him too. What makes patricia the most suspicious of the bunch? His day one play is basically the same: it was mostly spent picking apart Idle's roleclaim (which we now know was accurate), casting suspicion on Colby (which I don't like as stated above), and appreciating my joke (the most damning evidence of all). This seems more like picking out easy lynch targets to guarantee a mislynch (especially the claimed third party) than genuine pro-town scumhunting. Obviously, especially with patricia's soft-claim, I'd prefer to see tld lynched today, but the great thing about multivotes is that it lets me cast my suspicions to the wind in a permanently-documented way. I've already explained my focus on Colby, but I'll go a bit more in depth for you. I also came to the same initial conclusion as both you and Colby; my brain also 'autocorrected' his post like your did. But Colby didn't simply post something like "Pleonast does not have any powers", which would have been the 'corrected' version of Pleo's post; instead, Colby said that Pleo "claimed to not have a power that he can 'use'". Pleonast said nothing of the sort. The verbiage Colby used is vastly different than what Pleonast used. It seems to me that if Colby were simply mistakenly repeating what had been said earlier, that he would use similar phrasing. The fact that he said something very much different implies that he received his information from some other source than Pleonast's original in-game post. You ask a good question with "why don't I have a vote on Pleonast as well?" It does seem that if Colby is 'guilty' of having 'prior knowledge', then he must have gotten it from Pleo and so they must be co-aligned. And since Colby has claimed to not be a Mason, that only leaves Scum/Third Party/PFK. So why am I not voting for Pleonast as well? It's simple...Colby is the one who has done something 'suspicious' in my mind. We can only lynch one person at a time, so if the Town joins me and we lynch Colby, and he flips non-Town, we can take care of Pleonast next. As for my vote on patricia, I've already explained that as well. It was not simply the fact that she voted for swammerdami, it was the circumstance in which she did so that made me suspicious. That's why I voted for her, but not for any of the others. Finally, as far as my "picking apart Idle's roleclaim": yes, that's exactly what I did. that's what you're supposed to do in Mafia, isn't it? Or are you suggesting that we should blindly accept any and all claims? Plus, you may notice that after picking apart his claim and going back and forth with him a few times, I ultimately decided that I believed him. Not that my change of heart regarding Idle proves anything, but you seemed not to have noticed...
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 15, 2013 15:01:08 GMT -5
Can you explain more? Which comments in particular? How do you get from scum killed Idle to voting for Last? While I'm voting you for your swammer vote YesterDay, I'm very open to you making a good case here. Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead I can go with that too, he certainly voted for some Townie players yesterDay. If he isn't scum he could be a SK and if he is a Vig, I wonder why he went for Idle? I would like to hear from him though just to see what he has to say for himself. Vote: TheLastDays
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 15, 2013 17:54:19 GMT -5
I don't' get it. It's implied that lastdays got tracked by patricia? If that is the case, just tell us, then, especially if it revealed something relevant.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 15, 2013 18:31:46 GMT -5
Well that's certainly an interesting reason to vote for TheLastDays. I'm ready to jump on that train. [/color][/quote] I see no reason at all. At the least, we are owed further explanation from Patricia. Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy You are a little to free with this vote. It smells orchestrated. Wait for it..... Vote: Patricia You are a whole order of magnitude beyond magic hatting here "Trust me for no apparent reason!" Claim the goods, or stop making posts that imply you have them. Out of nowhere...... Vote: Pleonast Vote: CoobyFor similar reasons. If you are going halfway, and demanding that everyone else go the entire way, you will inevitably lie to us, and then take advantage.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 15, 2013 18:49:37 GMT -5
End of the Work Day vote count:
FruitAndGarbage (4,4): Pleonast [8]; thelastdays [20]; Suburban Plankton [21]; silverjan [24] thelastdays (4,4): FruitAndGarbage [12]; patricia [22]; dizzymrslizzy [31]; silverjan [39]
patricia (3,3): Pleonast [8]; Suburban Plankton [21]; Meeko [41]
Colby11 (1,1): Suburban Plankton [21] Suburban Plankton (1,1): FruitAndGarbage [35] DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Meeko [41] Pleonast (1,1): Meeko [41] Colby11 (1,1): Meeko [41]
With these votes, FruitAndGarbage will be lynched.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 15, 2013 20:32:11 GMT -5
Commenting as I catch up...yes, it is 2.30am my time - and after working an 18 hr day I have bloody insomnia - urgh!
While Idle painted a target on himself, I would not have expected him to be NK'd as he'd be the obvious target for the town watcher.
Gnarly (2.1) thinks Idle was the scum target, while Dizzy (2.2) thinks the Scum could have been blocked and Idle was a vig kill. It seems a little strange to leap to the conclusion that the scum were blocked.
Mahaloth leans towards a scum kill of idle (2.3), while Plankton thinks Vig (2.4). Chameleon unsure why scum would kill idle (2.6).
So Idle protected Pleo - given Pleo generally doesn't make it to the end game (tell me about it!) I would surmise that it was Idle looking for support in his claim. Pleo thinks he was the scum target (2.8) votes patricia and fruit
2.11 Chameleon asks for counter claims to Pleo's kiss.
2.12 Fruit claims to have received a message about being sleepy. Votes tld with no case. magic bag??
2.16 Fruit declines to give his reasoning
2.21 Plankton votes patricia for her d1 vote on swammer; colby for his pleo is a mason postion, and fruit
2.22 Patricia soft claims watcher, votes tld and asserts scum killed idle. How would she know the killer was scum?
2.19 tld votes fruit
2.24/25 Jan votes fruit; Jan thinks a vig killed idle.
2.30 patricia states tld was seen with idle.
2.31 dizzy votes tld
2.35 fruit asks us to read between the lines on his vote for tld; and votes plankton for his vote on colby. seems to object to close scrutiny of claims. fruit is magic bagging.
2.41 meeko votes dizzy because she readily voted tld; and votes patrica for magic bagging - but no vote on fruit who has effectively done the same thing.
thoughts so far...
Speculation over whether it was a town vig, sk or scum that killed idle has little actual value.
Fruit is sleepy (wish i was!)
Fruit (cop? watcher?) and Patricia (tracker?) are magic bagging incriminating information on TLD. Potentially two town powers exposed - if TLD is scum then it's a decent trader, if SK or town vig, less so.
Meeko's bipolar reaction to the magic bags is interesing - why patricia but not fruit? Meeko?
I'd like to hear more from fruit and patricia on their claims.
if we've hooked scum with tld then great, but we shouldnt just waste the day sitting on our laurels
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 15, 2013 23:42:25 GMT -5
Can you explain more? Which comments in particular? How do you get from scum killed Idle to voting for Last? While I'm voting you for your swammer vote YesterDay, I'm very open to you making a good case here. Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead Sounds like a good enough case right now Vote: Vote Thelastdays And Meeko- if you're going to vote for me, at least spell my name right. Though, I give you props for the most unique version of misspelling my name.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 16, 2013 0:26:24 GMT -5
Thank you so much Bill for that breakdown. I know it's lame to say "what he said", but you put much of what I was thinking so well (while I have been waiting for a headache to go away to post - it's still here in case I don't make sense). I thought I was the only one who noticed Fruit's magic bag.
I am thinking that lynching TLD would give very valuable information. If they turn out to be Scum or PFK then yay Town, but if they unfortunately end up being Town then we've learned some possibly damning evidence on Patricia and/or Fruit. Here's the thing - if TLD turns up Town then they both know they will be instant suspects so why take that chance? On the other hand it could be a very clever attempt to gain Town trust via sacrifice (admittedly something extremely risky for the minority to do). It is rather interesting that two possible Town powers gained information on the same player on the same night (I mean, what are the chances?), but Patricia allegedly was looking at Idle and found TLD by accident. So Occam's Razor it is!
Vote: TheLastDays
I am eager to hear what TLD has to say. I have no problem removing my vote if there's a plausible explanation.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2013 8:16:28 GMT -5
Where are you guys (Bill and Chameleon at least) getting that Fruit is magic bagging? All I took from his post was that he seems to have been on the receiving end of some Night action (with the message that he was getting sleepy). I didn't interpret that as him saying that he had any information that he was not fully sharing...am I missing something?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2013 8:19:02 GMT -5
And Meeko- if you're going to vote for me, at least spell my name right. Though, I give you props for the most unique version of misspelling my name. Cooby Doobo-doo, where are you?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 16, 2013 8:19:03 GMT -5
Suburban, he made a comment that "if he was going to give more reasoning for his vote he would have done so already"
I think that's being construed as he's magic bagging that he has a mystical reason as to why he's not sharing vs him just voting just on a gut feeling. IDK how I feel about that one.
Oh and Meeko, WTF man? That last post made no sense. Patricia hasn't magic bagged, she's soft claimed tracker?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 16, 2013 8:20:38 GMT -5
Can you give us some reasons for your vote? If I was going to at this point in time, I would have. This one Suburban
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Post by BillMc on Oct 16, 2013 8:28:30 GMT -5
It is rather interesting that two possible Town powers gained information on the same player on the same night (I mean, what are the chances?), but Patricia allegedly was looking at Idle and found TLD by accident. So Occam's Razor it is Very true - and apparently someone else targeted fruit for his sleepy message. My read of patricia's comments is that she appears to be a tracker - so she tracked tld rather than watched idle. But hopefully she will clarify what she is claiming. Where are you guys ( Bill and Chameleon at least) getting that Fruit is magic bagging? All I took from his post was that he seems to have been on the receiving end of some Night action (with the message that he was getting sleepy). I didn't interpret that as him saying that he had any information that he was not fully sharing...am I missing something? His vote with no reasons, his refusal to give reasons, and his "read between the lines" post strikes me as magic bagging - of course, it could just be full of hot air. Come on, dudes, you're better than this. There are lots of reasons for placing a vote without explaining why, especially if it's the first vote on someone rather than a mystery bandwagon. Pointing them all out kind of defeats the purpose, though. Read between the lines a little.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2013 8:54:39 GMT -5
And Meeko- if you're going to vote for me, at least spell my name right. Though, I give you props for the most unique version of misspelling my name. Cooby Doobo-doo, where are you? Blame the mother ducking auto incorrect.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2013 8:56:44 GMT -5
It is rather interesting that two possible Town powers gained information on the same player on the same night (I mean, what are the chances?), but Patricia allegedly was looking at Idle and found TLD by accident. So Occam's Razor it is Very true - and apparently someone else targeted fruit for his sleepy message. My read of patricia's comments is that she appears to be a tracker - so she tracked tld rather than watched idle. But hopefully she will clarify what she is claiming. Where are you guys ( Bill and Chameleon at least) getting that Fruit is magic bagging? All I took from his post was that he seems to have been on the receiving end of some Night action (with the message that he was getting sleepy). I didn't interpret that as him saying that he had any information that he was not fully sharing...am I missing something? His vote with no reasons, his refusal to give reasons, and his "read between the lines" post strikes me as magic bagging - of course, it could just be full of hot air. Come on, dudes, you're better than this. There are lots of reasons for placing a vote without explaining why, especially if it's the first vote on someone rather than a mystery bandwagon. Pointing them all out kind of defeats the purpose, though. Read between the lines a little. A magic bag filled with hot air would be something though. Would make for a magician and a balloon...... Is he claiming the Wizard?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2013 8:57:51 GMT -5
Suburban, he made a comment that "if he was going to give more reasoning for his vote he would have done so already" I think that's being construed as he's magic bagging that he has a mystical reason as to why he's not sharing vs him just voting just on a gut feeling. IDK how I feel about that one. Oh and Meeko, WTF man? That last post made no sense. Patricia hasn't magic bagged, she's soft claimed tracker? Is there a difference?
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Post by BillMc on Oct 16, 2013 9:36:47 GMT -5
Suburban, he made a comment that "if he was going to give more reasoning for his vote he would have done so already" I think that's being construed as he's magic bagging that he has a mystical reason as to why he's not sharing vs him just voting just on a gut feeling. IDK how I feel about that one. Oh and Meeko, WTF man? That last post made no sense. Patricia hasn't magic bagged, she's soft claimed tracker? Is there a difference? It appears you think there is a difference as you voted patricia but not fruit. why do you believe fruit's bag to be more truthful that patricia's?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2013 10:30:02 GMT -5
Suburban, he made a comment that "if he was going to give more reasoning for his vote he would have done so already" I think that's being construed as he's magic bagging that he has a mystical reason as to why he's not sharing vs him just voting just on a gut feeling. IDK how I feel about that one. Oh and Meeko, WTF man? That last post made no sense. Patricia hasn't magic bagged, she's soft claimed tracker? I didn't see Fruit's statement as being a 'magic bag', but rather just a refusal to give a reason for his vote. The former implies that he has knowledge he doesn't want to share, while the latter only implies obstinance. patricia, on the other hand, is most definitely 'magic bagging'. If she wanted to claim tracker, she could have said "I tracked thelastdays, and saw him visit Idle"...or she could have claimed Watcher. But all she chose to do was give a somewhat vague description of what she 'saw'. That, in my opinion, is a 'magic bag'. And regarding thelastdays...is everyone so certain that he is Scum? I think that Idle would have been a poor choice for a Scum kill last Night; as a claimed third Party there was no way he was going to live very long, and he stood a fair chance of protecting Scum with his power. I think it's more likely that Idle was killed by a Vig/SK. If thelastdays is a Serial Killer, then that's all good; if he's a Vig, not so much. And even if we accept that thelastdays visited Idle, are we certain that he was the killer? Idle would have made a great choice for a Watcher last Night, for example. Now, we have patricia's 'claim', but she hasn't told us what role she has...if she's a Watcher, then it stands to reason that thelastdays isn't...but if she's not, he might be.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 16, 2013 10:55:57 GMT -5
Can you explain more? Which comments in particular? How do you get from scum killed Idle to voting for Last? While I'm voting you for your swammer vote YesterDay, I'm very open to you making a good case here. Is this a "good case"? The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead It took me a while to parse this. What I think you mean is, " The last days was seen with Idle last night - now Idle is dead". Please bold player names for clarity. That's not a good case. I'll need more details before this becomes actionable information. Come on, dudes, you're better than this. There are lots of reasons for placing a vote without explaining why, especially if it's the first vote on someone rather than a mystery bandwagon. Pointing them all out kind of defeats the purpose, though. Read between the lines a little. We are better--that's why we're not depending on reading between the lines and why we're questioning you. If you want us to know something, tell us. If you want us to do something, tell us again. Being subtle or vague has it's place, but you don't then get to complain we're not picking it up. If you are going halfway, and demanding that everyone else go the entire way, you will inevitably lie to us, and then take advantage. If you have information that someone is lying, tell us. vote Meeko for magic bagging.
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Post by thelastdays on Oct 16, 2013 11:13:44 GMT -5
Alright, time to claim I guess, because it makes little difference now: You are A Bucket of Water. You are simply a bucket filled with liquid H2O. However, if a certain witch tries to steal Dorothy's shoes, who knows what could happen? You are a Third-party Killer. You may attempt to kill a player at night but it will fail unless your target is The Wicked Witch of the West in which case your kill will succeed. You only have ONE attempt to kill though. You may NOT be redirected. Your power may NOT be nullified. You will win if The Wicked Witch of the West is eliminated and you survie until the end of the game. I had to laugh pretty hard when I saw Idle claim on Day 1. I could have claimed Vig now but I know I couldn't kill anyone for the rest of the game so I'd have a hard time keeping the claim up. The way I see it I removed another third party player who could just as well helped scum as he could have helped town. I would be a mislynch because I'm not scum and I will keep playing and voting fot who I think is scum. All I ask is to be left alive so I can fulfill my vic condition. Also, I do not need anone snuggling up to me by defending me. Those who came forward to defend me, some even with reasoning that it might not have been scum who killed Idle (which is true) are suspicious to me. Meeko's post pings me, so does Suburban Plankton. I am sure there is scum somewhere among those who proposed that idea because they know they're right with it and when I'm lynched it'll look good on their record.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 16, 2013 11:58:19 GMT -5
Well, Last, either the game designer is a gastard and gave you a virtually unwinnable role, or you're lying. vote LastDays for an unreasonable role claim.
The victory conditions of a specific other player dead and you surviving is too hard to expect anyone to satisfy. Simply surviving until endgame is difficult enough that I consider it unfair. More requirements on top of that is perverse.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 16, 2013 12:16:19 GMT -5
Current Vote Count as of post 58:
thelastdays (7,7): FruitAndGarbage [12]; patricia [22]; dizzymrslizzy [31]; silverjan [39]; Colby11 [44]; Chameleon [45]; Pleonast [58] FruitAndGarbage (4,4): Pleonast [8]; thelastdays [20]; Suburban Plankton [21]; silverjan [24]
patricia (3,3): Pleonast [8]; Suburban Plankton [21]; Meeko [41]
Colby11 (1,1): Suburban Plankton [21] Suburban Plankton (1,1): FruitAndGarbage [35] DizzyMrsLizzy (1,1): Meeko [41] Pleonast (1,1): Meeko [41] Colby11 (1,1): Meeko [41] Meeko (1,1): Pleonast [56]
With these votes, TheLastDays will be lynched.
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