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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 18, 2013 18:01:21 GMT -5
[Dorothy became] so very angry that she picked up the bucket of water that stood near and dashed it over the Witch, wetting her from head to foot.
Instantly the wicked woman gave a loud cry of fear, and then, as Dorothy looked at her in wonder, the Witch began to shrink and fall away.
"See what you have done!" she screamed. "In a minute I shall melt away."
"I'm very sorry, indeed," said Dorothy, who was truly frightened to see the Witch actually melting away like brown sugar before her very eyes.
"Didn't you know water would be the end of me?" asked the Witch, in a wailing, despairing voice.
A bucket of water might have been the End for the Witch, but upon his death no one could find any proof that TheLastDays was anything other than a Scum Strongman. Who might have been delusional. As, however, he is dead, no one will ever know.
At the same time...
The Emerald City was soon left far behind. As they advanced the ground became rougher and hillier, for there were no farms nor houses in this country of the West, and the ground was untilled.
In the afternoon the sun shone hot in their faces, for there were no trees to offer them shade; so that before night Dorothy and Toto and the Lion were tired, and lay down upon the grass and fell asleep, with the Woodman and the Scarecrow keeping watch.
FruitAndGarbage, Toto, Town Alignment Cop has fallen into a deep slumber from which he shall never awaken.
Night Two begins Now. It will end at four p.m. Pacific Time on Sunday, October 20.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 18, 2013 18:03:21 GMT -5
Also, Night Actions must be to the mod no later than 3:00 p.m. Pacific on 10/20
TLD, Fruit, let me know if you want spoilers.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 18, 2013 18:33:19 GMT -5
It seems Fruit was poisoned on night one and there wasn't much that could have been done. Is a poisoner (or are there any other roles this could be?) more likely to be Scum or third party? Sorry for the questions about roles (which I will have more of) but I haven't played for a while so I'm a bit rusty. Patricia, I'm sorry I was suspicious of you, but I'm also sorry to say I still am . It's my understanding that Strongmen can't be blocked so would appear to be a stupid sacrifice for Scum. However if TLD didn't lie about having only one kill (which I also believe is possible for a Strongman) then was he that big of a sacrifice once his power was gone - especially to establish trust for a Scum power? Silverjan, can you elaborate on why I'm pinging you? I'm happy to try and address your concerns.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 18, 2013 18:35:20 GMT -5
Oh, and [b]All Mighty Mod[/b] - is it possible to see TLD's actual role PM? Is that even allowed - sorry if I should know this.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 18, 2013 18:37:59 GMT -5
Oh, and [b ]All Mighty Mod[/b] - is it possible to see TLD's actual role PM? Is that even allowed - sorry if I should know this. Oops, must have done it in the wrong order - this should be better. Oh, and All Mighty Mod - is it possible to see TLD's actual role PM? Is that even allowed - sorry if I should know this.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 18, 2013 18:58:47 GMT -5
Oh, and All Mighty Mod - is it possible to see TLD's actual role PM? Is that even allowed - sorry if I should know this. No.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Oct 18, 2013 19:07:50 GMT -5
Well that was... Not quite what I expected. Good luck to town!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 18, 2013 20:19:33 GMT -5
Did thelastdays not have any identity beyond "Scum Strongman"?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 18, 2013 20:51:00 GMT -5
Sorry, that got left out of the color by accident. But is on the list of The Dead in the EOD Vote Count Thread, for future reference.
TheLastDays was a Gillikin, Scum Strongman
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 18, 2013 21:36:55 GMT -5
Wow, Have to back. Did we know Fruit was going to die??
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 18, 2013 22:11:27 GMT -5
Wow, Have to back. Did we know Fruit was going to die?? I'm sure at least one of us did. Anyone care to confirm that?
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 18, 2013 22:27:20 GMT -5
Wow, Have to back. Did we know Fruit was going to die?? I'm sure at least one of us did. Anyone care to confirm that? The only one who knew Fruit was a goner before tonight was the player who killed him - so sure, if you want to let the rest of us know who you are that would be great! What we all knew was that on night one something happened to him to make him feel sleepy. From the Mafia Wiki: "A Poisoner can target a player to kill them. However, this kill will take place at the end of the next Night. Thus, the poisoned player can get one more Day and Night of actions out. The advantage to this is that a kill via poison cannot be stopped, except by the fairly rare Poison Doctor.". So I would say that he likely was poisoned - unless there is another role that does something similar. Poisoners are more often Scum (also from the Wiki).
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 19, 2013 1:04:33 GMT -5
From FruitandGarbage's first post of Day 2 Last night I received a message that I was getting sleepy. I don't know what this means or what caused it, but if it's some sort of delayed kill or roleblock or something, it's worth it to town to know what the warning sign is. Maybe there is someone who puts people to sleep. In the original Oz movie, wasn't it the Witch who put everyone to sleep, or was that something else? But to answer dizzy's question- apparently being told that you are sleepy makes you have an eternal sleep.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 19, 2013 1:31:19 GMT -5
As I recall, it was a field of poppies that put Dorothy, Toto, and the Lion to sleep. The Scarecrow and the Tin Man weren't affected since they weren't 'living creatures'.
Of course, that's probably of little to no help to us here...
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 19, 2013 3:53:12 GMT -5
It seems Fruit was poisoned on night one and there wasn't much that could have been done. Is a poisoner (or are there any other roles this could be?) more likely to be Scum or third party? Sorry for the questions about roles (which I will have more of) but I haven't played for a while so I'm a bit rusty. Patricia, I'm sorry I was suspicious of you, but I'm also sorry to say I still am . It's my understanding that Strongmen can't be blocked so would appear to be a stupid sacrifice for Scum. However if TLD didn't lie about having only one kill (which I also believe is possible for a Strongman) then was he that big of a sacrifice once his power was gone - especially to establish trust for a Scum power? Silverjan, can you elaborate on why I'm pinging you? I'm happy to try and address your concerns. Unfortunately it's nothing concrete, just a tingle. It could be your suspicion of Patricia? I know it's easy to say now that we know the outcome of the lynch. Feelings don't go down too well in this game, I will do more when I have time. If I write anything tonight it will probably be worthless cos it's book club today and the wine will be flowing! I can't see why Patricia would give up such a valuable member of the scum team if she is also scum. That doesn't sit right so she is definitely on my Townis list. She could possibly be a 3rd Party but I don't think she is a threat to Town.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 19, 2013 3:54:53 GMT -5
As I recall, it was a field of poppies that put Dorothy, Toto, and the Lion to sleep. The Scarecrow and the Tin Man weren't affected since they weren't 'living creatures'. Of course, that's probably of little to no help to us here... They all fell asleep in a field of poisoned poppies, Glinda the good witch woke them up. I have seen the film so many times because my daughter loved it, the tape actually wore out.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 19, 2013 4:05:35 GMT -5
The only one who knew Fruit was a goner before tonight was the player who killed him - so sure, if you want to let the rest of us know who you are that would be great! Ok, so I need to correct myself here. If Fruit was killed by Scum then all of Scum knew he would die. But we don't know for sure it was Scum although I suspect it was. It's important to keep in mind that if Fruit was killed by Scum then during Day 2 all of Scum knew he was going to die on Night 2. This invariably would have had an effect on their comments and actions on Day 2 (no need for lynching him for example). TLD's vote on Fruit was entirely safe - TLD knew he was likely going to be lynched and flip Scum, and knew that Fruit was going to die and flip not Scum (or possibly Scum knew he was the Town Cop, somehow, although I'm not sure how since he would have been poisoned on Night 1). So who else voted for Fruit - Pleo, Suburban Plankton and SilverJan. Why would any Scum besides TLD vote for him knowing a) that he was going to die anyway, and b) that he would flip Town (most likely) or 3rd party. So I'm not thinking they seem all that suspicious at the moment, even though they voted for a Townie. Then again that could be what they want me to think - but not going to worry about that for now. I'm going to guess there's at least some Scum in the TLD voters (for Town credibility). So, removing the Fruit voters, they are - Patricia, Dizzy, Colby, Chameleon, Bill, and Mahaloth. And of course I crossed me off that list . I'm going to start with Patricia by asking for everyone's thoughts on how likely it would be that Town would have a Cop and a Tracker? Does it not seem like a Tracker would be a nice balance against a Cop for opposite sides? (Genuine question since I've never hosted a game.)
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 19, 2013 4:15:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's nothing concrete, just a tingle. It could be your suspicion of Patricia? I know it's easy to say now that we know the outcome of the lynch. Feelings don't go down too well in this game, I will do more when I have time. If I write anything tonight it will probably be worthless cos it's book club today and the wine will be flowing! I can't see why Patricia would give up such a valuable member of the scum team if she is also scum. That doesn't sit right so she is definitely on my Townis list. She could possibly be a 3rd Party but I don't think she is a threat to Town. There ya go! I'm still suspicious of Patricia - you're welcome . There are a few reasons Scum would sacrifice TLD: a) if he was a single shot power he was already used up killing Idle, b) to gain Town credibility by voting for him to be lynched (especially when it appeared that was inevitable), c) to convince Town that a Scum player is a Town power (possibly Patricia). I would also like to re-iterate my question as to how like it would be that Town would have a Cop and a Tracker?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2013 7:30:34 GMT -5
I've seen cops and watcher/trackers before. I don't think it's that far fetched. I also am suspicious of your continued suspicion on Patricia. I think it's very unlikely that she would sac a strongman.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 19, 2013 8:01:03 GMT -5
If the Strongman only had a one shot power then TLD's was already used and he was no longer a power. Add to that the running suspicion on TLD with so many voting for him. If it seemed inevitable that he would be a casualty then why not use it to buy Town credibility? I'm by no means sold on it, but it's what came to mind - I really don't understand why it seems so far fetched. I haven't voted for anyone yet because I want to hear what people have to say about this idea.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 19, 2013 8:04:29 GMT -5
Cool.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 19, 2013 11:55:31 GMT -5
If the Strongman only had a one shot power then TLD's was already used and he was no longer a power. Add to that the running suspicion on TLD with so many voting for him. If it seemed inevitable that he would be a casualty then why not use it to buy Town credibility? I'm by no means sold on it, but it's what came to mind - I really don't understand why it seems so far fetched. I haven't voted for anyone yet because I want to hear what people have to say about this idea. Back from book club so be warned! I think that it is unlikely because the scum team is so small compared to Town anyway that getting rid of one of their own at this stage of the game is just wrong. We will still want results from Patricia and if she is lying then it wouldn't be for long. She would be found out. That's my thought on it anyway.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 19, 2013 15:36:43 GMT -5
Yes, I would agree that voting for Patricia today might not be the best thing to do.
Does anyone think that whoever killed Fruit knew he was the Town Cop or did they just get lucky? It probably wouldn't be possible with night actions only since he was sleepy on Night 1 and there were no actions Night Zero. He didn't really do any magic bagging that I remember until Day 2, after he was poisoned (or whatever was done to him). Is there ever a case in which Scum or a PFK has actions in the daytime?
Scum wants us all to believe that they would never sacrifice one of their own. What if Scum knew Fruit was a Cop (this is really reaching as per above comment), knew that Fruit knew that TLD was Scum and that TLD would most certainly be lynched? Dose it not make sense to make him a Scum martyr at that point?
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