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Post by Colby11 on Oct 29, 2013 11:17:25 GMT -5
That seems really thin as a game, especially since (by Dizzy's numbers) we have up to 3 scum in this game.
That would mean that 12 were town, and 4 not be town?
Balancewise, does that seem right?
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 29, 2013 11:29:43 GMT -5
Vote: Chameleon Vote: BillM for not voting.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 29, 2013 11:30:06 GMT -5
Sorry, lost part of my post. My vote on Chameleon is for her vote on Patricia.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 29, 2013 11:39:17 GMT -5
No I'm claiming that I can get a One time Head Count on all living players. I got it today D4. I see - that power is consistent with powers Sisc has used before. Why did you wait till last night to use it? It seems to me that that would be useful information to have right up front.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 29, 2013 11:46:13 GMT -5
Vote: Chameleon Vote: BillM for not voting. Sorry, lost part of my post. My vote on Chameleon is for her vote on Patricia. I would have at least hoped for something constructive and original, rather than regurgitating the same one liners. I clearly stated my suspicions, and why I did not vote yesterday. Likewise, even if I had placed those votes yesterday it would not have made any difference to the outcome (unless Pleo did have a passive powered triggered by everyone voting). You seem to be drifting along with minimal participation and your "I always get lynched for playing like this when I am town" is just poor. Vote: xArchangelx
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Post by BillMc on Oct 29, 2013 11:56:22 GMT -5
That seems really thin as a game, especially since (by Dizzy's numbers) we have up to 3 scum in this game. That would mean that 12 were town, and 4 not be town? Balancewise, does that seem right? For 16 players I would expect 3 or 4 scum - it really on the relative powers on each side. On the townside we've had a cop, back up cop, claimed tracker, claimed scotsman, claim questioner (dont know what to call dizzy) Possible evidence of a doc successfully protecting, or a blocker stopping the scum killer. No evidence of a serial killer or town vig. 3rd party protector of sorts (idle) On the scum side we've had a strongman. There is some sort of delayed kill/poisoner. There is a blocker if patricia is truthful.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 29, 2013 12:53:02 GMT -5
Fair point that he could have modified his PM - but how would you expect someone to play a scotsman? Claim - say they are scotsman - and get lynched anyway to prove it? Ideally, a Scotsman will play so they get targeted for a Night kill by scum. With no more than one death per Night, it's looking like only scum can Night kill. Which means surviving a Night-kill is a fairly good pro-town confirmation. If that doesn't work and a Scotsman is up to be lynched, they should claim. They might be lynched anyway, but at least players can make a more informed choice. If suspicion is reduced enough that they avoid the lynch, scum are stuck in the poor position of having an unlynched, unkillable townie. Mahaloth did not give us that choice. Oh and, I only had a one shot Headcount. There's no recruitment, so those numbers should stick. Since it is a one-shot power, can you give us an exact role PM quote of this particular power? Your claimed power is pro-town, but also easily faked by scum. I'd like to see the precise wording of the power, to ease my suspicion. 1.I'll play this game the way I want to. 2.BillMc's quote on playing as other people would like, would like to see you. 3.how do we know you aren't on lastdays side? 4.what Reason is your vote anyway? 5. Going that far back to find something? You must really really want me dead. At a point in time the ready fire aim attributes of scum begin to show. We are there now. 1. Yes, please do. The game works better if we approach it differently. 2. Sorry, cannot parse this. 3. You don't. That's why it's good to explain why we vote for others, so that everyone can make their evaluations. 4. Each vote has a reason for it on the same line. 5. I use the information that's available.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 29, 2013 13:21:09 GMT -5
Vote: Chameleon Vote: BillM for not voting. Sorry, lost part of my post. My vote on Chameleon is for her vote on Patricia. I would have at least hoped for something constructive and original, rather than regurgitating the same one liners. I clearly stated my suspicions, and why I did not vote yesterday. Likewise, even if I had placed those votes yesterday it would not have made any difference to the outcome (unless Pleo did have a passive powered triggered by everyone voting). You seem to be drifting along with minimal participation and your "I always get lynched for playing like this when I am town" is just poor. Vote: xArchangelxI saw your reason and I just don't buy it. One of my problems as town is that I play Mafia by gut and my gut tells me you are scum this time.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 29, 2013 13:25:00 GMT -5
The last game I played with Bill, which ended recently, I was scum. He knows very well that this is not my scum play-style, and that as town I am a frequent convenient mis-lynch. I am truly sorry that I am not better at being town, but I am not sorry for voting you.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 29, 2013 13:30:23 GMT -5
Chameleon (3,3): gnarlycharlie [4]; Pleonast [6]; xarchangelx [31] silverjan (3,3): gnarlycharlie [4]; Pleonast [10]; Colby11 [23] xarchangelx (3,3): Pleonast [6]; dizzymrslizzy [18]; BillMc [34]
BillMc (2,2): Pleonast [6]; xarchangelx [31]
Mahaloth (1,1): Pleonast [6] Meeko (1,1): Pleonast [6] gnarlycharlie (1,1): silverjan [8] Colby11 (1,1): dizzymrslizzy [27] Pleonast (1,1): Meeko [28]
With these votes, Chameleon will be lynched.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:09:44 GMT -5
That's me and i am done for a while, I don't like being insulted. Good Luck And I call BS, especially since TheLastDays flipped as Gillikin, Scum Strongman (from the Player list) Vote: Silverjan Sample Vanilla PMYou are a Gillikin/Munchkin/Quadling/Winkie. Like all your brethren, you have a propensity toward wearing purple/blue/red/yellow, and your home is in the North/East/South/West of Oz. In the Emerald City, you wear Green, of course -- Oz culture is fairly big on sartorial conformity. Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated. So what is it you have a problem with? ? Jeepers, another one that hasn't read the blasted rules.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:23:08 GMT -5
If I was scum and I was picking a Vanilla role, do you really think I would have chosen one that sounded scummy, if you do well you're off your rocker. Another thing, would I have picked up a typo on the main thread rather than saying something quietly to TLD on the scum thread? Of course I would
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 29, 2013 14:23:46 GMT -5
Oh and, I only had a one shot Headcount. There's no recruitment, so those numbers should stick. Since it is a one-shot power, can you give us an exact role PM quote of this particular power? Your claimed power is pro-town, but also easily faked by scum. I'd like to see the precise wording of the power, to ease my suspicion. I'm snipping out just the wording of the power. It states later in my PM that my powers can only be used once. Head Count. Request from your Magic Mirror a count of total Town vs. Not Town. This spell may be cast Day or Night. Town wins when all threats to Town are eliminated.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:29:30 GMT -5
Vote: Colby
For picking out which part of the rules he wants us to see. I was quite quick to point out that Chameleon seemed to be tellling the truth about her role (or lack of)even though she wasn't a Gillikin.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:31:14 GMT -5
Since it is a one-shot power, can you give us an exact role PM quote of this particular power? Your claimed power is pro-town, but also easily faked by scum. I'd like to see the precise wording of the power, to ease my suspicion. I'm snipping out just the wording of the power. It states later in my PM that my powers can only be used once. Head Count. Request from your Magic Mirror a count of total Town vs. Not Town. This spell may be cast Day or Night. Town wins when all threats to Town are eliminated. Why are you snipping anything?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 29, 2013 14:39:48 GMT -5
Why would I post my whole PM? I don't need to spell out for Scum what I can/cannot do?
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:45:41 GMT -5
12 town 5 scum 3 3rd party Would be the actual count, DizzyMy vote stays cos of this erroneous information. If you are going to confuse me with figures, at least get the starting number right
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 29, 2013 14:48:37 GMT -5
You know what, WTF ever.....I am so beyond caring about most things right now. Almost Full PM with the last Spell I haven't used snipped out. You are Glinda the Good (Witch of the South). "Glinda might," he suggested.
"Who is Glinda?" inquired the Scarecrow.
"The Witch of the South. She is the most powerful of all the Witches, and rules over the Quadlings. Besides, her castle stands on the edge of the desert, so she may know a way to cross it."
"Glinda is a Good Witch, isn't she?" asked the child.
"The Quadlings think she is good," said the soldier, "and she is kind to everyone. I have heard that Glinda is a beautiful woman, who knows how to keep young in spite of the many years she has lived." You are the Town Jack of All Trades. You have three spells that you may use. You may only use one spell per Day/Night cycle, and you may use each spell only once. Spell 1: Sleep Well. All currently-living parties will wake up alive at Dawn. No Night actions will take place. (The dead will remain dead.) Spell 2: Spell 3: Head Count. Request from your Magic Mirror a count of total Town vs. Not Town. This spell may be cast Day or Night. Town wins when all threats to Town are eliminated.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:56:13 GMT -5
Why would I post my whole PM? I don't need to spell out for Scum what I can/cannot do? I actually don't disbelieve you, makes a change I know. I am just in a bad mood with this game and all the smarty pants playing (it's not an RL judgement, just the way I feel at the minute). The reason I was asking is that you said you had used up your "bag of tricks" and should therefore be Vanilla. What your numbers do suggest though is that Mahaloth could be a scum Scotsman as Town would seemingly have no need for one.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 14:57:54 GMT -5
I was typing a reply while you posted your PM
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 29, 2013 15:06:24 GMT -5
And I call BS, especially since TheLastDays flipped as Gillikin, Scum Strongman (from the Player list) Vote: Silverjan Sample Vanilla PMYou are a Gillikin/Munchkin/Quadling/Winkie. Like all your brethren, you have a propensity toward wearing purple/blue/red/yellow, and your home is in the North/East/South/West of Oz. In the Emerald City, you wear Green, of course -- Oz culture is fairly big on sartorial conformity. Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated. So what is it you have a problem with? ? Jeepers, another one that hasn't read the blasted rules. But then why would TLD flip Gillikin, and not be vanilla town?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 29, 2013 15:08:34 GMT -5
Vote: ColbyFor picking out which part of the rules he wants us to see. I was quite quick to point out that Chameleon seemed to be tellling the truth about her role (or lack of)even though she wasn't a Gillikin. Huh?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 29, 2013 15:10:10 GMT -5
You know what, WTF ever.....I am so beyond caring about most things right now. Almost Full PM with the last Spell I haven't used snipped out. You are Glinda the Good (Witch of the South). "Glinda might," he suggested.
"Who is Glinda?" inquired the Scarecrow.
"The Witch of the South. She is the most powerful of all the Witches, and rules over the Quadlings. Besides, her castle stands on the edge of the desert, so she may know a way to cross it."
"Glinda is a Good Witch, isn't she?" asked the child.
"The Quadlings think she is good," said the soldier, "and she is kind to everyone. I have heard that Glinda is a beautiful woman, who knows how to keep young in spite of the many years she has lived." You are the Town Jack of All Trades. You have three spells that you may use. You may only use one spell per Day/Night cycle, and you may use each spell only once. Spell 1: Sleep Well. All currently-living parties will wake up alive at Dawn. No Night actions will take place. (The dead will remain dead.) Spell 2: Spell 3: Head Count. Request from your Magic Mirror a count of total Town vs. Not Town. This spell may be cast Day or Night. Town wins when all threats to Town are eliminated. Dizzy, when did you use Spell 1? I assume that you used Spell 1 last night, since there were no deaths.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 15:17:07 GMT -5
So what is it you have a problem with? ? Jeepers, another one that hasn't read the blasted rules. But then why would TLD flip Gillikin, and not be vanilla town? Sorry, I cannot read the Mods mind, much as I would like to. Go and have a read, it's not difficult to find. I am nearly ready to unvote you because you thought all Gillikins were scum.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 29, 2013 15:20:11 GMT -5
Fair point that he could have modified his PM - but how would you expect someone to play a scotsman? Claim - say they are scotsman - and get lynched anyway to prove it? Ideally, a Scotsman will play so they get targeted for a Night kill by scum. With no more than one death per Night, it's looking like only scum can Night kill. Which means surviving a Night-kill is a fairly good pro-town confirmation. If that doesn't work and a Scotsman is up to be lynched, they should claim. They might be lynched anyway, but at least players can make a more informed choice. If suspicion is reduced enough that they avoid the lynch, scum are stuck in the poor position of having an unlynched, unkillable townie. Mahaloth did not give us that choice. Oh and, I only had a one shot Headcount. There's no recruitment, so those numbers should stick. Since it is a one-shot power, can you give us an exact role PM quote of this particular power? Your claimed power is pro-town, but also easily faked by scum. I'd like to see the precise wording of the power, to ease my suspicion. 1.I'll play this game the way I want to. 2.BillMc's quote on playing as other people would like, would like to see you. 3.how do we know you aren't on lastdays side? 4.what Reason is your vote anyway? 5. Going that far back to find something? You must really really want me dead. At a point in time the ready fire aim attributes of scum begin to show. We are there now. 1. Yes, please do. The game works better if we approach it differently. 2. Sorry, cannot parse this. 3. You don't. That's why it's good to explain why we vote for others, so that everyone can make their evaluations. 4. Each vote has a reason for it on the same line. 5. I use the information that's available. If you parsed 2, you would understand why your response to 4 is wrong. Someone has a sig line quoting BillMc - that yes we should vote for whomever he finds most scummiest. Yours is approaching that. You are voting me simply because I'm not voting for someone you find most scummiest. Worse, you are backwards looking at it. OPPORTUNIST.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 29, 2013 15:25:44 GMT -5
Gillikin/Munchkin/Quadling/Winkie.
That's what Vanilla Townies can be. I must say that I would rather have been a Munchkin but that was the luck of the draw apparently.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 29, 2013 15:42:18 GMT -5
My instinct is to believe liz's claim, unless someone else counterclaims with a reason why there were no kills on Night Three. I do find the numbers of 9 town vs 2 non-town to be hard to believe. That means we started with 12 town and 1 3rd-party vs 3 scum. That means we have 5 mislynches to lynch 3 scum, which is rather unfair to scum, unless town has few powers (not in evidence) or scum has many (possible). Alternatively, there could be a scum godfather who is counted as "town" by liz's power. I was hoping a quote of the power might shed some light. The claimed power does not mention a possibility of a miscount due to another power, though. In any case, we need to lynch two more players to win. If the game is still going after that without lynching a godfather, we'll know then there is one. No point in worrying about it until we get to that point. If you parsed 2, you would understand why your response to 4 is wrong. Someone has a sig line quoting BillMc - that yes we should vote for whomever he finds most scummiest. Yours is approaching that. You are voting me simply because I'm not voting for someone you find most scummiest. Worse, you are backwards looking at it. OPPORTUNIST. No, I'm voting for you because you did not vote for a player we now know is scum. I'm not sure why you'd call analyzing past votes based on current knowledge to be "opportunist". That's the purpose of voting records.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 29, 2013 17:01:59 GMT -5
Dizzy, I'm struggling to reconcile the information you have posted. You originally said that your bag of tricks was empty - ie you have used your powers And yes, officially from the Mod there are 9 Town players, and 2 Non-Town players remaining in the game. And my bag of tricks is thusly empty. No I'm claiming that I can get a One time Head Count on all living players. I got it today D4. You know what, WTF ever.....I am so beyond caring about most things right now. Almost Full PM with the last Spell I haven't used snipped out. Dizzy, when did you use Spell 1? I assume that you used Spell 1 last night, since there were no deaths. But here you are now saying you have a spell left. This seems to contradict your bag of tricks being empty So you used Spell 1 during d3/n3 and spell 3 on d4? and for d1/d2 you did nothing? Why wait till d4 to use spell 3? - to repeat my earlier question, that seems to be information that would have benefited the town straight away.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 29, 2013 18:13:27 GMT -5
Vote: Colby for his comments on Lizzy. It seems ridiculous to me to believe that if all scum are Gillikins, they would not know enough not to claim Gillikin.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 29, 2013 19:06:47 GMT -5
And Bill- D1 I was pretty absent, so absent I didn't even place a vote. So think about it.
I am claiming that I put everyone to sleep last night to prevent the NK.
As to why I waited until today to get the headcount. I was going to on D3, but thought I left myself vulnerable to a NK last night after my Vanilla slip. I figured better use of my abilities was to prevent a NK, and then get the Headcount today.
And Yes I consider my bag of tricks empty even though I have one spell left. I don't see much practical use for it, and am practically Vanilla now.
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