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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 29, 2013 19:08:48 GMT -5
I agree that archangel is flying along with minimal participation.
Vote archangel
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 29, 2013 20:59:03 GMT -5
Vote Meeko Vote Pleo Vote Gnarly Vote dizzy
Same as yesterDay.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 29, 2013 23:51:14 GMT -5
Vote: Colby for his comments on Lizzy. It seems ridiculous to me to believe that if all scum are Gillikins, they would not know enough not to claim Gillikin. I try to find something, and it gets torn to shreds, griped at, and ridiculed when I make either a simple mistake or if I am trying to see why the names would be the same, especially since a player that was scum and had a power was one of the names listed in the sample scum. I got questions now. But I won't ask cause everyone will just get mad and vote for me for fact finding
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 30, 2013 1:02:21 GMT -5
I changed my mind Sample Vanilla PMYou are a Gillikin/Munchkin/Quadling/Winkie. Like all your brethren, you have a propensity toward wearing purple/blue/red/yellow, and your home is in the North/East/South/West of Oz. In the Emerald City, you wear Green, of course -- Oz culture is fairly big on sartorial conformity. Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated. Oh awesome mod, can there be more than 1 Gilliken in the game? Are these 4 names just groups from different regions?
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 30, 2013 1:32:49 GMT -5
I think you should feel free to ask whatever you like Colby. The Gillikin/Munchkin/Quadling/Winkie names are like nationalities (like I'm Canadian). If the game started with 16 players - 12 Town, 3 Scum and 1 3rd Party (I think this is what our current information from Dizzy gleans) then it may be safe to assume that there's more than one Town player from each direction/area (the Witches are also "directional"). But that assumes it was considered in the colour which it may or may not have been. I can understand the confusion since this is more from the book than the movie (I had to look it up).
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 30, 2013 2:34:18 GMT -5
There's a lot to go over here so I'll just say a couple of brief things and come back to it while I'm at work tomorrow night (there usually isn't much to do).
First I want to say that it's really frustrating to be leading the lynch once again when many people believe I'm Town. The only good reasons people seem to have for voting for me are outdated. I've addressed most of the issues brought up and changed my mind and my votes in regards to some of those issues. Yet that doesn't seem to matter because when I was the ONLY player actually looking for Scum some of you didn't like my ideas about it and you can't let go of the things I have let go of for now (yet are still being held against me). Ya, makes sense.
Second, why would Scum give up a night kill by putting everyone to sleep? If Dizzy is being truthful about her "spells" then I can't imagine she's Scum. That doesn't make any sense.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 30, 2013 4:10:23 GMT -5
I do find the numbers of 9 town vs 2 non-town to be hard to believe. That means we started with 12 town and 1 3rd-party vs 3 scum. That means we have 5 mislynches to lynch 3 scum, which is rather unfair to scum, unless town has few powers (not in evidence) or scum has many (possible). Alternatively, there could be a scum godfather who is counted as "town" by liz's power. I was hoping a quote of the power might shed some light. The claimed power does not mention a possibility of a miscount due to another power, though. In any case, we need to lynch two more players to win. If the game is still going after that without lynching a godfather, we'll know then there is one. No point in worrying about it until we get to that point. I would agree with that. So Dizzy was responsible for blocking the NK, and for blocking Patricia. Which gives us: Town: Confirmed: cop, back up cop and Unconfirmed: tracker, scotsman, joat 3rd: Doc of sorts Scum: strongman, poisoner? strongman is usually one shot, and the poisoner appears to be a one off 5 mislynches, plus a scotsman, plus stop the nk against two one shot powers - this seems weighted towards town, so either the scum have some additional powers or the count is wrong which does lend some credence to your godfather suggestion.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 30, 2013 4:14:30 GMT -5
And Bill- D1 I was pretty absent, so absent I didn't even place a vote. So think about it. I am claiming that I put everyone to sleep last night to prevent the NK. As to why I waited until today to get the headcount. I was going to on D3, but thought I left myself vulnerable to a NK last night after my Vanilla slip. I figured better use of my abilities was to prevent a NK, and then get the Headcount today. And Yes I consider my bag of tricks empty even though I have one spell left. I don't see much practical use for it, and am practically Vanilla now. That makes sense. One further question, your spell 1 has "The dead will remain dead." This seems strange - why would a mass block affect the dead? This seems to hint that there may be something to wake the dead?
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Post by BillMc on Oct 30, 2013 4:40:38 GMT -5
I changed my mind Oh awesome mod, can there be more than 1 Gilliken in the game? Are these 4 names just groups from different regions?/quote] You seem to be really stretching here - your question pretty much implies that the mod has stated there are no more than 4 vanilla townies. As Jan has already pointed out, you accepted Chameleon's vanilla/Quadling claim, and with both swammeri and plankton flipping Winkie there is clear evidence that there are multiple folk with these 'races'. To me, that seems to suggest that you are not one of these races - so a named character/witch. But what peaks my interest most, is that you are not asking can all 4 of these be in the game more than once, (albeit there is hard evidence that Winkies are but a specific question about one race - a specific question that the mod couldn't specifically answer without semi-confirming Jan (e.g. mod answers no, and jan would be effectively mod confirmed as scum). Vote: Colby
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Post by BillMc on Oct 30, 2013 4:41:46 GMT -5
reposting and fixing the broken tag I changed my mind Oh awesome mod, can there be more than 1 Gilliken in the game? Are these 4 names just groups from different regions? You seem to be really stretching here - your question pretty much implies that the mod has stated there are no more than 4 vanilla townies. As Jan has already pointed out, you accepted Chameleon's vanilla/Quadling claim, and with both swammeri and plankton flipping Winkie there is clear evidence that there are multiple folk with these 'races'. To me, that seems to suggest that you are not one of these races - so a named character/witch. But what peaks my interest most, is that you are not asking can all 4 of these be in the game more than once, (albeit there is hard evidence that Winkies are but a specific question about one race - a specific question that the mod couldn't specifically answer without semi-confirming Jan (e.g. mod answers no, and jan would be effectively mod confirmed as scum). Vote: Colby
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Post by BillMc on Oct 30, 2013 4:44:46 GMT -5
Meeko is making no sense to me whatsever. I don't know what game he is playing, but it doesn't appear to be this one.
Vote: Meeko
Gnarly, you seem to be coasting by trying to stay under the radar
Vote: Gnarly
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Post by BillMc on Oct 30, 2013 4:45:25 GMT -5
Bloody tags
Meeko is making no sense to me whatsever. I don't know what game he is playing, but it doesn't appear to be this one.
Vote: Meeko
Gnarly, you seem to be coasting by trying to stay under the radar
Vote: Gnarly
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 30, 2013 8:52:39 GMT -5
Vote: Colby for his comments on Lizzy. It seems ridiculous to me to believe that if all scum are Gillikins, they would not know enough not to claim Gillikin. I try to find something, and it gets torn to shreds, griped at, and ridiculed when I make either a simple mistake or if I am trying to see why the names would be the same, especially since a player that was scum and had a power was one of the names listed in the sample scum. I got questions now. But I won't ask cause everyone will just get mad and vote for me for fact finding Sorry. Ridiculous may be the wrong word and I am certainly not ridiculing you. It seems unlikely to me that you really believe this.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 30, 2013 8:54:00 GMT -5
Meeko is making no sense to me whatsever. I don't know what game he is playing, but it doesn't appear to be this one. Vote: Meeko Gnarly, you seem to be coasting by trying to stay under the radar Vote: Gnarly OOG: You have no idea how much better it makes me feel that the great BillMc has trouble with the tags on occasion! (I am sure I am the worst at this across the boards but IRL I am not dumb and yet I still only get them right half the time.)
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 30, 2013 9:21:17 GMT -5
Vote Meeko Vote Pleo Vote Gnarly Vote dizzySame as yesterDay. Instead of making all of us looking up the reasons for each of your votes from another Day, could you restate your reasons? Or at least link to the posts? Vote: Colby for his comments on Lizzy. It seems ridiculous to me to believe that if all scum are Gillikins, they would not know enough not to claim Gillikin. I try to find something, and it gets torn to shreds, griped at, and ridiculed when I make either a simple mistake or if I am trying to see why the names would be the same, especially since a player that was scum and had a power was one of the names listed in the sample scum. I got questions now. But I won't ask cause everyone will just get mad and vote for me for fact finding So what? What's more important to you, avoiding votes or finding scum? There's a lot to go over here so I'll just say a couple of brief things and come back to it while I'm at work tomorrow night (there usually isn't much to do). First I want to say that it's really frustrating to be leading the lynch once again when many people believe I'm Town. The only good reasons people seem to have for voting for me are outdated. I've addressed most of the issues brought up and changed my mind and my votes in regards to some of those issues. Yet that doesn't seem to matter because when I was the ONLY player actually looking for Scum some of you didn't like my ideas about it and you can't let go of the things I have let go of for now (yet are still being held against me). Ya, makes sense. Second, why would Scum give up a night kill by putting everyone to sleep? If Dizzy is being truthful about her "spells" then I can't imagine she's Scum. That doesn't make any sense. You also. What's more important to you, avoiding votes or finding scum? I'll answer my own question: I want to find scum. That often means collecting votes. And even being mislynched. But that doesn't matter because town has numbers to spare. Finding scum and making good cases far outweighs that. When a townie gets mislynched, they should've left us something useful we'll know is townie-motivated.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 30, 2013 10:24:23 GMT -5
xarchangelx (4,4): Pleonast [6]; dizzymrslizzy [18]; BillMc [34]; Mahaloth [60] Colby11 (4,4): dizzymrslizzy [27]; silverjan [43]; xarchangelx [58]; BillMc [69]
Chameleon (3,3): gnarlycharlie [4]; Pleonast [6]; xarchangelx [31] silverjan (3,3): gnarlycharlie [4]; Pleonast [10]; Colby11 [23] Meeko (2,2): Pleonast [6]; Mahaloth [61]; BillMc [71] gnarlycharlie (2,2): silverjan [8]; Mahaloth [61]; BillMc [71]
BillMc (2,2): Pleonast [6]; xarchangelx [31] Pleonast (2,2): Meeko [28]; Mahaloth [61]
Mahaloth (1,1): Pleonast [6] dizzymrslizzy (1,1): Mahaloth [61]
With these votes, archangel will be lynched.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 30, 2013 11:50:18 GMT -5
What are the tags to unvote? I am considering unvoting Colby because I am convinced Bill is scum, and if I am correct than Colby is almost certainly town.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 30, 2013 12:18:44 GMT -5
What are the tags to unvote? I am considering unvoting Colby because I am convinced Bill is scum, and if I am correct than Colby is almost certainly town. same as the vote tags, except put unvote.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 30, 2013 12:23:03 GMT -5
reposting and fixing the broken tag I changed my mind Oh awesome mod, can there be more than 1 Gilliken in the game? Are these 4 names just groups from different regions? You seem to be really stretching here - your question pretty much implies that the mod has stated there are no more than 4 vanilla townies. As Jan has already pointed out, you accepted Chameleon's vanilla/Quadling claim, and with both swammeri and plankton flipping Winkie there is clear evidence that there are multiple folk with these 'races'. To me, that seems to suggest that you are not one of these races - so a named character/witch. But what peaks my interest most, is that you are not asking can all 4 of these be in the game more than once, (albeit there is hard evidence that Winkies are but a specific question about one race - a specific question that the mod couldn't specifically answer without semi-confirming Jan (e.g. mod answers no, and jan would be effectively mod confirmed as scum). Vote: Colby I have not accepted Chameleon's claim. I don't accept any vanilla claim. I just don't have a scum lean on him at the moment. The mod needs to edit Swam's name to include the Winkie title, I did not see that (see the player list if you don't believe me) Essentially I am asking if any of them can be in the game more than once, because if it applies to one group, it should apply to all groups. Maybe I am a named character, maybe I'm not. I'm not going to say.
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Post by xarchangelx on Oct 30, 2013 12:28:10 GMT -5
Unvote: Colby for reasons stated above.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 30, 2013 15:08:28 GMT -5
My votes, except for archangel, are for voting chameleon, whose claim I believe.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 30, 2013 15:33:26 GMT -5
My votes, except for archangel, are for voting chameleon, whose claim I believe. I seriously don't see how you can be so sure that Chameleon is town, to be honest.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 30, 2013 15:49:48 GMT -5
My votes, except for archangel, are for voting chameleon, whose claim I believe. Excuse me, I am NOT voting Chameleon.... And are you saying you do not believe my claim?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 30, 2013 16:06:57 GMT -5
And Archangel IS voting for Chameleon...
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 30, 2013 16:47:14 GMT -5
xarchangelx (4,4): Pleonast [6]; dizzymrslizzy [18]; BillMc [34]; Mahaloth [60]
Colby11 (3,4): dizzymrslizzy [27]; silverjan [43]; xarchangelx [58,79]; BillMc [69] Chameleon (3,3): gnarlycharlie [4]; Pleonast [6]; xarchangelx [31] silverjan (3,3): gnarlycharlie [4]; Pleonast [10]; Colby11 [23] Meeko (2,2): Pleonast [6]; Mahaloth [61]; BillMc [71] gnarlycharlie (2,2): silverjan [8]; Mahaloth [61]; BillMc [71]
BillMc (2,2): Pleonast [6]; xarchangelx [31] Pleonast (2,2): Meeko [28]; Mahaloth [61]
Mahaloth (1,1): Pleonast [6] dizzymrslizzy (1,1): Mahaloth [61]
With these votes, archangel will be lynched.
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Post by Mahaloth on Oct 30, 2013 17:36:33 GMT -5
And Archangel IS voting for Chameleon... And?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 30, 2013 18:08:37 GMT -5
My votes, except for archangel, are for voting chameleon, whose claim I believe. I read this to mean that the people you are voting are voting for Chameleon, except for Archangel. And that's a 100% wrong statement. Archangel IS voting Chameleon And I am not. So please explain your vote on me.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 30, 2013 22:34:38 GMT -5
My votes, except for archangel, are for voting chameleon, whose claim I believe. This is so many levels of wrong. You both could be scum. If so your votes are nothing but "Me Too". Even if you are town, the above still holds.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 30, 2013 22:37:37 GMT -5
The entire I'm voting you today because of what you did some time in the distant past, based on a hunch (or scheme) is completely wrong.
And for once, that will suffice for me.
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Post by Chameleon on Oct 31, 2013 1:36:13 GMT -5
Meeko is making no sense to me whatsever. I don't know what game he is playing, but it doesn't appear to be this one. Vote: Meeko Gnarly, you seem to be coasting by trying to stay under the radar Vote: Gnarly OOG: You have no idea how much better it makes me feel that the great BillMc has trouble with the tags on occasion! (I am sure I am the worst at this across the boards but IRL I am not dumb and yet I still only get them right half the time.) LOL! I was going to say exactly the same thing
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