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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 14:56:50 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2007 14:56:50 GMT -5
Santo Rugger (7) - Kat, Death by Irony, diggitcamara, drainbead, episodeofblonde, CatinaSuit, atarus Pleonast (4) - Santo Rugger, zeriel, hockeymonkey, mhaye NAF1138 (2) - Roosh, kassia Parzival (1) - Yattara Diomedes (1) - sinjin zeriel (1) - Parzival Roosh (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies HazelNutCoffee (1) - Pleonast zuma (1) - NAF1138
19 players have voted. The election period will end in approximately 2 hours.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 14:57:39 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 16, 2007 14:57:39 GMT -5
Ai chihuahua. Honestly, reading through what's been posted so far makes me feel like I'm voting in an actual political race. Which of you candidates is Hilary Clinton, so I can make sure I vote for somebody else? On serious note: Huh? If I'm Governor, I'm going to stay every execution. More time to talk means more time for a Replicant to make a mistake. Scum want us to rush executions; it's so much easier make an emotion-filled, logic-lacking case against someone if there's no time for cooler heads to think about it. And, for similar reasons, I'll never choose the No Electrocution option--the Colony needs to fry people to get information. This actually makes me want to not vote for you. I can't quite put my finger on it, but staying every execution seems like a bad idea to me. Yeah, extra time gives the scum more time to make a mistake, but at the same time it gives the town more time to WIFOM and change their lynch from an actual scum to an innocent townie. Plus, stays only occur when there's a true majority (I think somebody said this already) so I doubt they're going to happen that often, unless the town is really sure somebody's scum (i.e., they make a CookieRugger-style slip). As for voting somebody who hasn't posted much into the Governor position, I also think that's a fundamentally bad idea. As was the case in Firefly, the people who don't post much usually also don't read much/have trouble catching up with large amounts of posts/discussion. For all the decisions a Governor will make, we want the Governor to be somebody who's up-to-date and has followed the discussion and isn't going to make a hasty decision based on a quick catch-up read-through. Now, since apparently several people agree with my plan, I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for Governor: Vote Santo RuggerReasoning is he's been scum every time so far, and no matter what he says this game, there's going to be a little voice in the back of my head saying "He's scum again! Don't believe him!" As such, I think he'll be perfect for Governor since I'm already experiencing WIFOM with him. Plus, Rugger has been keeping up with all the important issues and isn't afraid to share his opinion.
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Nov 16, 2007 15:12:33 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 16, 2007 15:12:33 GMT -5
I share atarus' views on Santo, and if I were to use a non-random method for selecting my Gov candidate, I'd probably pick Santo for that exact reason. He was already saturated with WIFOM before the game even started, and it does seem efficient to me to group WIFOMs together. 1 WIFOM entity + 1 WIFOM entity = 1 WIFOM, if you catch my meaning.
However, I'm not sure enough that his lead in the polls doesn't have scummy roots, and in the interest of trying not to do what the scum/others want, I shall stick to my random vote. I will save my Santos for WIFOM Gov thoughts for another election, should he survive to run again.
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Nov 16, 2007 15:15:44 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2007 15:15:44 GMT -5
I share atarus' views on Santo, and if I were to use a non-random method for selecting my Gov candidate, I'd probably pick Santo for that exact reason. He was already saturated with WIFOM before the game even started, and it does seem efficient to me to group WIFOMs together. 1 WIFOM entity + 1 WIFOM entity = 1 WIFOM, if you catch my meaning. However, I'm not sure enough that his lead in the polls doesn't have scummy roots, and in the interest of trying not to do what the scum/others want, I shall stick to my random vote. I will save my Santos for WIFOM Gov thoughts for another election, should he survive to run again. Just for clarification purposes - if Santo happens to be elected Governor, he won't be able to run again. He'll either be Governor, or he'll be dead.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 15:18:24 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 16, 2007 15:18:24 GMT -5
Yes, my apologies. I was referring to the possibility of him _not_ winning this particular election, but didn't spell that out.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 15:22:00 GMT -5
Post by kassia on Nov 16, 2007 15:22:00 GMT -5
When I cast my random.org vote I did make an aside that I thought it might be psychic, because, like Hal and Roosh, I have not felt good about NAF's posts from the beginning. I was actually leaning towards voting him as Guv.
I still think that it is too early in the game for the Guv role to be extremely advantageous to any side, therefore I decided to give random.org a go.
But I'm quite pleased with how that turned out, because given my suspicion of NAF I think electing him Guv is as good a place as any to keep an eye on him.
So my vote stands.
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Nov 16, 2007 15:23:06 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Nov 16, 2007 15:23:06 GMT -5
Saying this without saying what you think the slip was, is in no way helpful to the town. Ok. what zeriel has posted that pinged my scumdar. You can make your own minds up as to whether I have found something or just being paranoid Point 1: #69 The governor debate should be of GREAT interest to the townies, as should anyone proposing an automatic method of voting that uses little or no discretion--both of these are situations where the scum can have a disproportionate effect on the town. This third person reference to the town makes him sound to me as though he is not a member of the town and it does not seem self referential. Maybe not scum, but more likely third party. As I said YMMV.
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Nov 16, 2007 15:41:15 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Nov 16, 2007 15:41:15 GMT -5
It's as good a reason as any for a first day vote, IMHO.
I'm sure dotchan will disagree.
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Nov 16, 2007 15:41:49 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Nov 16, 2007 15:41:49 GMT -5
This third person reference to the town makes him sound to me as though he is not a member of the town and it does not seem self referential. Maybe not scum, but more likely third party. It's not an ironclad scumtell, IMHO, but it is a small strike against him.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 15:56:37 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Nov 16, 2007 15:56:37 GMT -5
That was a scumtell when I used it in Asylum Lane, although I didn't even realize I was doing it at the time. I'll keep that slip active in the back of my mind as the Day progresses.
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Nov 16, 2007 16:11:46 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 16, 2007 16:11:46 GMT -5
At this moment the d12/d20 combo points unequivocally at candidate number 15. Using "random" as your reason for voting for someone (either Governor or Chair) is just as worthless as using the lowest post count. It's an attempt at denying personal accountability. "The dice made me do it" (or any mechanical procedure) does not help other Colonists decide if you're acting in the interest of the Colony or the Replicants. Us Colonists need to see the motivations of others. That's the most reliable way us vanilla Colonists have to separate the wheat from the chaff. These are the players who've used "random" as an excuse to vote for someone: Parzival, Cookies, Kat, kassia, Yattara. (drainbead original randomed someone, but retracted it an made a reasoned vote.) I ask all these players to reconsider their mechanical vote and place a vote based on a reason. You know, so us information-starved Colonists have something to work with? On preview: zeriel, read the Lynching section of the Basic Rules again. You are role claiming already?!?!?! Why in the world do you feel the need this early in the game to assert vanilla-ness on your part? Is it because you are scum? This made me raise an eyebrow when I read it. Everyone is going to claim to be a Colonist. If you are truly vanilla, you've just made it Why are we getting bogged down in the mechanics of voting instead of voting? On Day One it is highly unlikely that we will be able to discern any useful information on which to base our votes, (either for Governor or scum). On the issue of Governor...just vote for somebody already. Have a good reason or not...it is not going to matter. I typed this up about 3 hours ago, but I'm going to go ahead and post it anyway.
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Nov 16, 2007 16:15:20 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 16, 2007 16:15:20 GMT -5
agh, didn't finish my thought in paragraph 1. If you are truly vanilla, you have just made it easier for the scum to find the power roles by narrowing the pool down by one.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 16:21:12 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 16, 2007 16:21:12 GMT -5
Sorry it took me so long to get back here, I did actually have work to do . I'm going to change my vote from Dio to Rugger to lessen the chance of a tie vote at the end of the voting period. We still have 6 folks who haven't voted, some who haven't even posted yet, and 6 one-off votes including mine that could influence the election at the last moment. I didn't like Pleo's execute the gov. plan and I don't like his stay all executions plan. unvote Diomedesvote Santo Rugger
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 16:35:47 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 16, 2007 16:35:47 GMT -5
You are role claiming already?!?!?! Why in the world do you feel the need this early in the game to assert vanilla-ness on your part? Is it because you are scum? This made me raise an eyebrow when I read it. Everyone is going to claim to be a Colonist. If you are truly vanilla, you've just made it easier for the scum to find the power roles by narrowing the pool down by one. (corrected as noted by her next post.) What role claim? If you're referring to my use of "us vanilla Colonists", the alternative is to simply use "vanilla Colonists". But then people would make accusations similar to what's happened to zeriel. There needs to be a way to neutrally refer to vanilla Colonists without grammar-Replicants spitting sparks. I use "us vanilla Colonists" in a such a neutral way. I did not make any statement as to my role or alignment in that post. Anyway, I am just a vanilla Colonist. (Kidding, kidding, ... maybe) There, that'll give the scum have a nice WIFOM moment.
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Nov 16, 2007 16:47:38 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 16, 2007 16:47:38 GMT -5
One could (and should) use the term Colonists to refer to the collective town. By quantifying the statement with the word vanilla, you did in fact make a claim as to your role and alignment. You may not have meant to, but later on in the game, if you claim to be a power role, we'll be looking back at these posts and calling you a liar. Just sayin'.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 17:04:30 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 16, 2007 17:04:30 GMT -5
That first morning was exceedingly contentious. Plans were discussed and discarded, and the Governor voting was scattered but energetic. There was talk of establishing a rather definitive term limit on the position, but ultimately this idea was left unresolved.
And finally a consensus candidate emerged. A sinner in his past life. A sportsman. The Colony of New Canaan had elected, as the first Governor of its brave new era, Santo Vizzini "Pygmy" Rugger. His acceptance speech began with stirring force: "My friends," he said.
But the rest of his oratory was cut off by the rising shouts of the lynch mob. The quest for blood was begun in earnest.
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Santo Rugger is the new Governor of New Canaan.
Day One will end at 5:00PM, EST, on Wednesday, November 21, unless a true majority (13 votes) of the colony has voted for a single candidate before that time. Whichever candidate has the plurality of votes at the deadline will get to test drive the newest furniture in the New Canaan Town Hall, with all ties to be resolved by Governor Rugger.
There is already one vote:
NAF1138 (1) - Hal Briston
Have at it!
FINAL GUBERNATORIAL VOTE COUNT Santo Rugger (8) - Kat, Death by Irony, diggitcamara, drainbead, episodeofblonde, CatinaSuit, atarus, sinjin Pleonast (4) - Santo Rugger, zeriel, hockeymonkey, mhaye NAF1138 (2) - Roosh, kassia Parzival (1) - Yattara zeriel (1) - Parzival Roosh (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies HazelNutCoffee (1) - Pleonast zuma (1) - NAF1138
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 17:06:50 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 16, 2007 17:06:50 GMT -5
One could (and should) use the term Colonists to refer to the collective town. By quantifying the statement with the word vanilla, you did in fact make a claim as to your role and alignment. You may not have meant to, but later on in the game, if you claim to be a power role, we'll be looking back at these posts and calling you a liar. Just sayin'. Then we have a difference in nomenclature. I use "Colonist" when I refer to any pro-Colony player (same as you). When I said "us vanilla Colonists" I was referring to a subset of Colonists--the ones without power roles. What term do you use? Would you like to make a meaningful statement with that term, so that others can deconstruct your wordage? On preview: HAha, Rugger!
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Nov 16, 2007 17:08:48 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Nov 16, 2007 17:08:48 GMT -5
Going from scum leader to town leader. I couldn't be more proud.
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Nov 16, 2007 17:11:52 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Nov 16, 2007 17:11:52 GMT -5
Hail to the Chief Rugger in Charge.
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Nov 16, 2007 17:14:56 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 16, 2007 17:14:56 GMT -5
One could (and should) use the term Colonists to refer to the collective town. By quantifying the statement with the word vanilla, you did in fact make a claim as to your role and alignment. You may not have meant to, but later on in the game, if you claim to be a power role, we'll be looking back at these posts and calling you a liar. Just sayin'. Then we have a difference in nomenclature. I use "Colonist" when I refer to any pro-Colony player (same as you). When I said "us vanilla Colonists" I was referring to a subset of Colonists--the ones without power roles. What term do you use? Would you like to make a meaningful statement with that term, so that others can deconstruct your wordage? On preview: HAha, Rugger! I probably would use something like this: That's the most reliable way us Colonists, (especially those of a vanilla flavor) have to separate the wheat from the chaff. I will agree to disagree with you on this issue. Your post read like a role claim and I wanted clarification. Thank you for elaborating.
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Nov 16, 2007 17:16:38 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 16, 2007 17:16:38 GMT -5
Pygmy the 5 time scum gets elected Governor. Seems right according to the political process.
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Nov 16, 2007 17:39:30 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Nov 16, 2007 17:39:30 GMT -5
Excellent!
vote pygmy rugger ;D
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Nov 16, 2007 17:45:37 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 16, 2007 17:45:37 GMT -5
Pleo and NAF are the two who I'm inclined to watch after the election hors d'œuvres. I will likely throw a vote in one direction or the other within a Day or so.
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 17:49:11 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 16, 2007 17:49:11 GMT -5
Pleo and NAF are the two who I'm inclined to watch after the election hors d'œuvres. I will likely throw a vote in one direction or the other within a Day or so. Why? Are you trying to send a message that posting ideas should be discouraged?
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Nov 16, 2007 17:53:38 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Nov 16, 2007 17:53:38 GMT -5
Pleonast, that sign in your sig is something that shows up if you don't have a mood set. Set it for anything and I think you'll find it goes away (although I don't see it right now).
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Nov 16, 2007 17:54:54 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Nov 16, 2007 17:54:54 GMT -5
Pleo and NAF are the two who I'm inclined to watch after the election hors d'œuvres. I will likely throw a vote in one direction or the other within a Day or so. Why? Are you trying to send a message that posting ideas should be discouraged? No. It was the content of the ideas that gave me pause, not the sharing of the ideas. Am I the only one who caught a little "Why do you hate America?!" in that question?
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Nov 16, 2007 18:02:13 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Nov 16, 2007 18:02:13 GMT -5
Why? Are you trying to send a message that posting ideas should be discouraged? No. It was the content of the ideas that gave me pause, not the sharing of the ideas. Am I the only one who caught a little "Why do you hate America?!" in that question? No you are not. Pleo is always interesting isn't he? So my standard question when someone says they are thinking of voting for me, why? But this time with a twist (because we know the vague why), what is it specifically that you think is scummy about the way that have said I am going to cast my votes?
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Nov 16, 2007 18:03:36 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Nov 16, 2007 18:03:36 GMT -5
Excellent! vote pygmy rugger ;D Damn, here I was thinking that one of the only benefits of the Guv. election was that it eliminated random voting. We've had 6 pages of mostly content providing posts up til now. My thoughts: 1) I hate NAF's idea that we mechanically vote for lurkers first followed by fluffy posters. Mainly because I sometimes post fluffy stuff (after too much wine) and sometimes folks just can't get on and finally a mechanistic voting scheme can be manipulated too easily (as zerial has pointed out).
2) Aside from what I said above: Where is everybody? I know some folks signed up and said they couldn't post a lot, but gee whiz you could post once or twice. What? Do you guys have lives or something?
3) Hi Opal. (I always wanted to do that, so sha me now )
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Day One
Nov 16, 2007 18:06:59 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Nov 16, 2007 18:06:59 GMT -5
Excellent! vote pygmy rugger ;D Damn, here I was thinking that one of the only benefits of the Guv. election was that it eliminated random voting. We've had 6 pages of mostly content providing posts up til now. My thoughts: 1) I hate NAF's idea that we mechanically vote for lurkers first followed by fluffy posters. Mainly because I sometimes post fluffy stuff (after too much wine) and sometimes folks just can't get on and finally a mechanistic voting scheme can be manipulated too easily (as zerial has pointed out).
2) Aside from what I said above: Where is everybody? I know some folks signed up and said they couldn't post a lot, but gee whiz you could post once or twice. What? Do you guys have lives or something?
3) Hi Opal. (I always wanted to do that, so sha me now )1. who is this we you speak of in point one. This is how I am voting. Vote in a similar fashion or not. Your choice. 2. I personally think that we should be getting rid of those people who haven't shown up (starting to understand the thinking behind my system?) 3. Did you actually use sha? If you did you just made my week. ;D (this entire post was just to get to point three)
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Nov 16, 2007 18:12:27 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Nov 16, 2007 18:12:27 GMT -5
Why? Are you trying to send a message that posting ideas should be discouraged? No. It was the content of the ideas that gave me pause, not the sharing of the ideas. Am I the only one who caught a little "Why do you hate America?!" in that question? Well, from my point of view, NAF and I both put out ideas. Discussion ensued about their usefulness and we both ended up with modified versions of our original suggestions. By itself, that process seemed to work well--we got people talking and we got feedback on our ideas. When you specifically called us out like that, and no one else, it made me wonder if you were reacting to the fact that we were the ones at the centers of controversy, rather than the ideas themselves. It helps the Colony if we can get more thinking out in the open. That means sometimes players, even fellow Colonists, will make suggestions that may seem stupid or dangerous. So be it, attack the idea, but it doesn't say much about the alignment of the originator. Remember--disagreements in tactics does not imply difference in alignment. Idle, I've been editing out the magic braces whenever they impose themselves in my sig. Now that you clued me in, I've set my mood.
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