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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Jan 17, 2014 5:51:07 GMT -5
Time passed. It's hard to say how much exactly, given that clocks weren't in abundance in the impromptu communist warren the group was trapped in and sky even less so; still, despite the uniform darkness not changing from start to finish, everyone collectively came to the conclusion that enough of a respite had passed that it was time to gather again. Most were eager to see the near-success of the previous lynch turn to a real success with the next corpse, although the definition of "success" was different for each gradually-gathering person.
Eventually, it became clear that there were no more stragglers and that nobody else was going to show up. Which meant that one of their number was missing. Which meant they had to be found, either because they'd found a way out or because they were no longer capable of coming back. A quick headcount revealed that Sister Coyote was the absentee; a search was mounted, but it was a short one. The body hadn't been hidden at all, which clashed somewhat with the neat, precise cuts on its neck. Someone with a lot of experience had wanted Sister Coyote to die quickly and quietly, but hadn't seen fit to prevent the corpse's discovery. Someone wondered aloud who had furnished the blade that had ended guiri's life, but they were ignored because no one person had much of a recollection of how exactly he'd been killed.
People descended on the body; most present had enough experience in the less pleasant sides of their professions that the blood and already-stiffening expression of shock weren't enough to dissuade them from finding whatever could be found out about the newly deceased man.
Sister Coyote was Afanasy Lagunov. A longtime citizen of Russia, he was there for the fall of the czars, the descent of Europe into chaos, and the even deeper descent that followed it. He was there when the Soviet Union rose from the ashes, and he was there as his beloved country became something he hated. He was there for much, but could not stay forever; he defected to America, selling Soviet secrets in exchange for safety. None here would have considered him trustworthy, but he was loyal to the cause. He was a town-aligned miller.
It might have been sad, to see an old man who had given up everything to escape the hand of the corrupt Union felled by it in the end. It might have been, if anyone had been less preoccupied with who would be next, and how to make sure it wouldn't be them. Little could be done to give any proper final respects, and few would have bothered in any case. From one death, the conversation immediately turned to who would follow it first.
Day 2 begins now and ends on Wednesday, January 22nd at 8:00PM PST. That should all be accurate and unambiguous; I look forward to being proven wrong in short order.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 17, 2014 7:54:08 GMT -5
well i guess that's arguably the best thing a miller can do, draw an NK. at least i assume that's the scum NK. otherwise, you all know the drill. there might have been a redirector or it was a vig/SK kill and the scum NK was stopped, etc.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2014 10:08:18 GMT -5
Ok, it looks as if I could have some bad news here, if I have read the write up correctly and understood it properly. SisC was Town and a Russian. I need the Russian dead to be able to win, I did not have anything to do with her death, I don't have that kind of power. I don't like the fact that I needed a Townie to die for me to win, up until toDay I was fairly convinced it would be a scum that I needed dead. This does have some horrible ramifications because other players need certain people dead too.
On a happier note and to answer Chameleon's question from last Night, I am the person responsible for the two reveals on BillMc. If my vote is on the player being investigated then extra information is given. I am telling everyone this now because I usually end up getting myself in hot water, that was why I voted quite late on D1 for BillMc as I wanted my vote to be on the person who was investigated.
Alright, I am ready for the questions that will be thrown at me, do your worst!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2014 10:57:44 GMT -5
Day 2 begins now and ends on Tuesday, January 22nd at 8:00PM PST. That should all be accurate and unambiguous; I look forward to being proven wrong in short order. I'll bet you're using that fancy, newfangled, Gregorian calendar they keep going on about. Fine...let me get out my abacus and I'll figure it out myself....meddlesome priests... So...two deaths, and we have a Miller and a Defector, two roles designed to thwart Investigators. This could be a very interesting game.
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Post by Colby11 on Jan 17, 2014 13:06:46 GMT -5
Day 2 begins now and ends on Tuesday, January 22nd at 8:00PM PST. That should all be accurate and unambiguous; I look forward to being proven wrong in short order.According to my calendar is the US, the 22nd is a Wednesday.....
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2014 14:25:22 GMT -5
Day 2 begins now and ends on Tuesday, January 22nd at 8:00PM PST. That should all be accurate and unambiguous; I look forward to being proven wrong in short order.According to my calendar is the US, the 22nd is a Wednesday..... My SA calander says the same thing, maybe Fruit is working in the past.
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Post by texcat on Jan 17, 2014 15:14:07 GMT -5
SilverJan, You could check with the mod, but my reading of SisC's obit is that she was Russian and defected to America. I'm thinking that your PM refers to someone who is Russian.
I agree with Gnarly that a NK is probably the best a miller can hope for, but I did not see anything that SisC said that would have drawn such a NK. If she claimed a power role, or magic bag of some sort, I didn't see it.
Would investigating BillMc again get us any further information (like his alignment?!) or are we better off moving on to someone else?
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2014 15:37:43 GMT -5
SilverJan, You could check with the mod, but my reading of SisC's obit is that she was Russian and defected to America. I'm thinking that your PM refers to someone who is Russian. I agree with Gnarly that a NK is probably the best a miller can hope for, but I did not see anything that SisC said that would have drawn such a NK. If she claimed a power role, or magic bag of some sort, I didn't see it. Would investigating BillMc again get us any further information (like his alignment?!) or are we better off moving on to someone else? Ok, I have asked the Mod. I don't know if getting more info on BillMc would be worth it, if you look at your own PM then there isn't much more to say. This game is different and I very much doubt that we would get a definite answer as to whether he is Town or Scum. He just looks Townie to me.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2014 18:40:49 GMT -5
FWIW, I took the reveal to indicate that SisC was Russian, and noted so on my spreadsheet.
As far as further investigation of Bill goes...
Looking at my own PM, I see possibly four relevant pieces of information: Name Nationality Alignment Role Name
The last two of those are typically the realm of Investigator roles. The fact that we received Name and Nationality for Bill, but not Alignment or Role, may indicate that we will need to rely on 'traditional' Investigators for that sort of thing...or it may just be coincidence.
We could try investigating Bill again, to see if there is any more information available. Or we could investigate someone else and see if we get the same two pieces of information (Name and Nationality), or something different.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Jan 17, 2014 19:34:15 GMT -5
We could try investigating Bill again, to see if there is any more information available. Or we could investigate someone else and see if we get the same two pieces of information (Name and Nationality), or something different. I would favour investigating someone else. If we get the same 2 pieces of info then it suggests that that is all we can get. If we get something else then we may decide it is worth reinvestigating people. I would like to Investigate: MeekoHe was runner up in yesterDay's vote and was the only one to anti-investigate himself.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Jan 17, 2014 19:37:34 GMT -5
Ok, it looks as if I could have some bad news here, if I have read the write up correctly and understood it properly. SisC was Town and a Russian. I need the Russian dead to be able to win, I did not have anything to do with her death, I don't have that kind of power. I don't like the fact that I needed a Townie to die for me to win, up until toDay I was fairly convinced it would be a scum that I needed dead. This does have some horrible ramifications because other players need certain people dead too. Do you mean you needed Afanasy Lagunov dead, or just any old Russian dead?
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Post by Meeko on Jan 17, 2014 22:39:00 GMT -5
We could try investigating Bill again, to see if there is any more information available. Or we could investigate someone else and see if we get the same two pieces of information (Name and Nationality), or something different. I would favour investigating someone else. If we get the same 2 pieces of info then it suggests that that is all we can get. If we get something else then we may decide it is worth reinvestigating people. I would like to Investigate: MeekoHe was runner up in yesterDay's vote and was the only one to anti-investigate himself. You have a point here, somewhere. Investigate: Captain KlutzAnti-Investigate: Meeko
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 18, 2014 1:06:03 GMT -5
Ok, it looks as if I could have some bad news here, if I have read the write up correctly and understood it properly. SisC was Town and a Russian. I need the Russian dead to be able to win, I did not have anything to do with her death, I don't have that kind of power. I don't like the fact that I needed a Townie to die for me to win, up until toDay I was fairly convinced it would be a scum that I needed dead. This does have some horrible ramifications because other players need certain people dead too. Do you mean you needed Afanasy Lagunov dead, or just any old Russian dead? I can like this Mod lots! I got a reply and SisC was the Russian that I needed dead. All my PM said was that I had to ensure that the Russian character is killed before the end of the game. Investigate Meeko
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Post by Chameleon on Jan 18, 2014 5:22:19 GMT -5
So if we are taking colour seriously, and SisC defected from Scum to Town, then which side would most likely want, or need, her to be dead? That said, she was a Miller so would have "appeared" Scummy if investigated. So should SilverJan be suspicious because she needed SisC dead? I keep changing my mind as I'm not sure why she would have admitted that part of her wincon if she was Scum. I would like more info on this situation. Since we already have some information on SilverJan and who she needed dead perhaps an investigation would give us enough information to confirm her alignment.
Investigate: SilverJan
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Post by Chameleon on Jan 18, 2014 5:35:47 GMT -5
Thanks SilverJan for clearing up why we received more information than expected on BillMc.
Speaking of BillMc, the name Yakovlev is definitely Russian even though he's Danish. Just something to consider if colour is important (which we've been told may or may not be the case). I don't feel BillMc has done anything suspicious, it would just be helpful if we could determine how important people's names, nationalities, etc. are, or aren't, in the game.
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Post by Meeko on Jan 18, 2014 9:23:39 GMT -5
Do you mean you needed Afanasy Lagunov dead, or just any old Russian dead? I can like this Mod lots! I got a reply and SisC was the Russian that I needed dead. All my PM said was that I had to ensure that the Russian character is killed before the end of the game. Investigate MeekoYou know, at least Klutz attempted a reason.
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Post by swammerdami on Jan 18, 2014 12:52:27 GMT -5
Meeko does not want to be Investigated. I wonder why. Investigate: MeekoWith no strong suspicions, I'll use my vote to put pressure on quieter player(s): Vote: ParanoiaSeveral players have made partial claims; I find that to be very helpful in getting a handle on the game and guessing alignments. OTOH, some players are active, yet not really forthcoming. Do they have an extra win condition? Or do they just want to avoid attention? As one example, TexCat's posts are mostly like her 3rd post on Day 1: (From a post like this, I can't get either a Town or Scum sense from TexCat. )
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Post by texcat on Jan 18, 2014 17:53:51 GMT -5
Meeko does not want to be Investigated. I wonder why. Investigate: MeekoWith no strong suspicions, I'll use my vote to put pressure on quieter player(s): Vote: ParanoiaSeveral players have made partial claims; I find that to be very helpful in getting a handle on the game and guessing alignments. OTOH, some players are active, yet not really forthcoming. Do they have an extra win condition? Or do they just want to avoid attention? As one example, TexCat's posts are mostly like her 3rd post on Day 1: (From a post like this, I can't get either a Town or Scum sense from TexCat. ) I agree with most of this post. Investigate: Meeko and I'm tempted to vote for him as well. Swammer, I'm sorry that you can't get a Town sense from me yet, but at least I am leaving a record to be evaluated. Looking back at Yesterday, I see that Paranoia, Pleonast, and Storyteller did not vote at all. Swammerdami and Chameleon only had anti-votes. And Dizzy did vote for Colby, but removed it after the claim and did not re-vote. Swammer has already voted for Para. I'm going to give Pleo a pass for being busy with his game. Vote: Storyteller
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Post by patricia on Jan 18, 2014 18:29:51 GMT -5
I agree that Meeko is dancing around like a cat on a hot tin roof about getting voted on for a Investigation
At this point he may be good for a vote today as well but for now
Investigate Meeko
and if this works - thanks to sister for the directions on how to post in color
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Post by patricia on Jan 18, 2014 18:31:32 GMT -5
Color worked bold not so much lol
Mod to you have preferred colors of Investigate and uninvestigated?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 18, 2014 21:52:25 GMT -5
Investigate Meeko
I'm with the others, he's trying too hard to not be investigated!
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 19, 2014 2:11:20 GMT -5
I can like this Mod lots! I got a reply and SisC was the Russian that I needed dead. All my PM said was that I had to ensure that the Russian character is killed before the end of the game. Investigate MeekoYou know, at least Klutz attempted a reason. Sorry if you don't like the thought of an investigation but it's not as if I voted for you. I would just like to find out more about you as you had me totally fooled last game. The fact that you do not want to be investigated makes me think you have something to hide. Chameleon, I don't mind being investigated at all, in fact if there are enough votes for me to be investigated I will change my investigation vote so that you get 2 pieces of information about me.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 19, 2014 2:20:00 GMT -5
I don't think that we should vote for the person that we want investigated, that would be a waste of an investigation because if the person that we want investigated is lynched we would get that info anyway.
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Post by swammerdami on Jan 19, 2014 4:32:00 GMT -5
I don't think that we should vote for the person that we want investigated, that would be a waste of an investigation because if the person that we want investigated is lynched we would get that info anyway. Good point. And the vice versa applies as well: it may be a waste to Investigate Meeko since he, being Meeko, is likely to get Lynched sooner rather than later regardless of what tidbit the Investigation reveals.
Meeko, here's an offer: Tell us something about yourself. If it's believable, I'll move my Investigation vote.
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Post by Paranoia on Jan 19, 2014 4:38:46 GMT -5
Mrm. I think it's slightly dangerous to assume Scum'd be trying to get a miller lynch/kill off and that they'd also have a extra wincon qualifier to that effect. I think you'd have to weigh that against behavior right now, and I think it's actually more useful to have Jan alive right now rather than dead (doubling investigation results leads to... interesting places in several game worlds, notably one where Jan is scum.)
So I'm looking at day one and the one post of Sister Coyote's that stands out to me is the post where she mentions she was wary of Colby's claim, and I wager that might be what tipped her over towards getting shot last night. I'd wager examining colby and getting an actual feel for his alignment would prove beneficial right now.
guiri [3]: guiri (-37), Meeko (46), gnarlycharlie (48), Suburban Plankton (83), Swammerdami (-91), patricia (95), Sister Coyote (115) Silver Jan [2]: Captain Klutz (92),texcat (113) Colby11 [1]: BillMc (58), texcat (96), dizzymrslizzy (97), Sister Coyote (99), Colby11 (-100), Mahaloth (119) texcat [1]: Silver Jan (102) patricia [1]: Colby11 Swammerdami [0]: Sister Coyote (81) gnarlycharlie [0]: guiri (17), gnarlycharlie (-48) Chameleon: [-1]: Silver Jan (57), Chameleon (-93)
Investigations: BillMc [6]: texcat (5), Sister Coyote (12), Mahaloth (20), Paranoia (33), Meeko (45), Silver Jan (75) Meeko [5]: storyteller0910 (14), guiri (17), dizzymrslizzy (26), Meeko (-45), gnarlycharlie (48), Captain Klutz (68), patricia (95) texcat [3]: BillMc (10), Swammerdami (23), Colby11 (110) Pleonast [1]: Meeko (11), Chameleon (24)
Looking at the votes I wager there's one scum amongst Meeko, Gnarlycharlie, Suburban Plankton, and Patricia. I also don't think Swammerdami is likely scum specifically for antivoting for thinking someone was town - context of the action and everything - as I believe that happened after a discussion with Guiri.
If I had to wager a guess I'd Vote: Gnarlycharlie for what was essentially a weak omgus vote that they never came back to or actually addressed after the fact.
I guess I'll go with Investigate: Meeko as well since he's on my "plausibly scum" list.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 19, 2014 8:34:13 GMT -5
FWIW, I took the reveal to indicate that SisC was Russian, and noted so on my spreadsheet. As far as further investigation of Bill goes... Looking at my own PM, I see possibly four relevant pieces of information: Name Nationality Alignment Role Name The last two of those are typically the realm of Investigator roles. The fact that we received Name and Nationality for Bill, but not Alignment or Role, may indicate that we will need to rely on 'traditional' Investigators for that sort of thing...or it may just be coincidence. We could try investigating Bill again, to see if there is any more information available. Or we could investigate someone else and see if we get the same two pieces of information (Name and Nationality), or something different. i'd rather have a different one each time. i'm guessing that this is all the info we get, even less if Silver Jan isn't voting for the investigation target. i recommend that Silver Jan choose whoever is leading the investigation lead near EOD. Do you mean you needed Afanasy Lagunov dead, or just any old Russian dead? I can like this Mod lots! I got a reply and SisC was the Russian that I needed dead. All my PM said was that I had to ensure that the Russian character is killed before the end of the game. Investigate Meekoi imagine we will all have different nationalities and those who need people dead are townies with other townies as their targets. Mrm. I think it's slightly dangerous to assume Scum'd be trying to get a miller lynch/kill off and that they'd also have a extra wincon qualifier to that effect. I think you'd have to weigh that against behavior right now, and I think it's actually more useful to have Jan alive right now rather than dead (doubling investigation results leads to... interesting places in several game worlds, notably one where Jan is scum.) So I'm looking at day one and the one post of Sister Coyote's that stands out to me is the post where she mentions she was wary of Colby's claim, and I wager that might be what tipped her over towards getting shot last night. I'd wager examining colby and getting an actual feel for his alignment would prove beneficial right now. guiri [3]: guiri (-37), Meeko (46), gnarlycharlie (48), Suburban Plankton (83), Swammerdami (-91), patricia (95), Sister Coyote (115)Silver Jan [2]: Captain Klutz (92),texcat (113) Colby11 [1]: BillMc (58), texcat (96), dizzymrslizzy (97), Sister Coyote (99), Colby11 (-100), Mahaloth (119) texcat [1]: Silver Jan (102) patricia [1]: Colby11 Swammerdami [0]: Sister Coyote (81) gnarlycharlie [0]: guiri (17), gnarlycharlie (-48) Chameleon: [-1]: Silver Jan (57), Chameleon (-93) Investigations: BillMc [6]: texcat (5), Sister Coyote (12), Mahaloth (20), Paranoia (33), Meeko (45), Silver Jan (75) Meeko [5]: storyteller0910 (14), guiri (17), dizzymrslizzy (26), Meeko (-45), gnarlycharlie (48), Captain Klutz (68), patricia (95) texcat [3]: BillMc (10), Swammerdami (23), Colby11 (110) Pleonast [1]: Meeko (11), Chameleon (24) Looking at the votes I wager there's one scum amongst Meeko, Gnarlycharlie, Suburban Plankton, and Patricia. I also don't think Swammerdami is likely scum specifically for antivoting for thinking someone was town - context of the action and everything - as I believe that happened after a discussion with Guiri. If I had to wager a guess I'd Vote: Gnarlycharlie for what was essentially a weak omgus vote that they never came back to or actually addressed after the fact. I guess I'll go with Investigate: Meeko as well since he's on my "plausibly scum" list. my vote wasn't baseless. i gave my reasons. if it was weak, so were most votes on D1. perhaps this is a weaker vote: Vote: Paranoiai'm okay with a Meeko investigation but for now: Investigate: Paranoia
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 19, 2014 8:40:41 GMT -5
So if we are taking colour seriously, and SisC defected from Scum to Town, then which side would most likely want, or need, her to be dead? That said, she was a Miller so would have "appeared" Scummy if investigated. So should SilverJan be suspicious because she needed SisC dead? I keep changing my mind as I'm not sure why she would have admitted that part of her wincon if she was Scum. I would like more info on this situation. Since we already have some information on SilverJan and who she needed dead perhaps an investigation would give us enough information to confirm her alignment. Investigate: SilverJani don't think SisC actually went from scum to town. that's just her back story. i'm not sure what you're reading into here. also,i doubt that investigating Silver Jan will give us new information merely because she has revealed some information. that's bordering on game-breaking. i don't follow your logic. sounds like you're trying too hard to look helpful when your premises aren't sound. Unvote: Paranoia Vote: Texcat
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Post by Meeko on Jan 19, 2014 10:31:48 GMT -5
I don't think that we should vote for the person that we want investigated, that would be a waste of an investigation because if the person that we want investigated is lynched we would get that info anyway. Good point. And the vice versa applies as well: it may be a waste to Investigate Meeko since he, being Meeko, is likely to get Lynched sooner rather than later regardless of what tidbit the Investigation reveals.
Meeko, here's an offer: Tell us something about yourself. If it's believable, I'll move my Investigation vote. I have webbed toes. Oh, you mean my role. . . . That's my point, why should there be any ransom at all? At what point did one of my strengths in Mafia become the number one issue?
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Post by texcat on Jan 19, 2014 10:49:09 GMT -5
So if we are taking colour seriously, and SisC defected from Scum to Town, then which side would most likely want, or need, her to be dead? That said, she was a Miller so would have "appeared" Scummy if investigated. So should SilverJan be suspicious because she needed SisC dead? I keep changing my mind as I'm not sure why she would have admitted that part of her wincon if she was Scum. I would like more info on this situation. Since we already have some information on SilverJan and who she needed dead perhaps an investigation would give us enough information to confirm her alignment. Investigate: SilverJani don't think SisC actually went from scum to town. that's just her back story. i'm not sure what you're reading into here. also,i doubt that investigating Silver Jan will give us new information merely because she has revealed some information. that's bordering on game-breaking. i don't follow your logic. sounds like you're trying too hard to look helpful when your premises aren't sound. Unvote: Paranoia Vote: Texcat WTF?? Did you mean to vote Chameleon?
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Post by Chameleon on Jan 19, 2014 11:45:31 GMT -5
So if we are taking colour seriously, and SisC defected from Scum to Town, then which side would most likely want, or need, her to be dead? That said, she was a Miller so would have "appeared" Scummy if investigated. So should SilverJan be suspicious because she needed SisC dead? I keep changing my mind as I'm not sure why she would have admitted that part of her wincon if she was Scum. I would like more info on this situation. Since we already have some information on SilverJan and who she needed dead perhaps an investigation would give us enough information to confirm her alignment. Investigate: SilverJani don't think SisC actually went from scum to town. that's just her back story. i'm not sure what you're reading into here. also,i doubt that investigating Silver Jan will give us new information merely because she has revealed some information. that's bordering on game-breaking. i don't follow your logic. sounds like you're trying too hard to look helpful when your premises aren't sound. Unvote: Paranoia Vote: TexcatI am talking about the back story - I don't see why this is reading much into anything except looking at the context IF colour is relevant (which we were told may or may not be - I just think Fruit is putting a lot of effort into fantastic colour for it to mean nothing). Let me try to say it more clearly as maybe I was confusing. According to colour, SisC was Town who used to be Scum who sold Scum info to Town. SilverJan's wincon said she needed SisC dead. So, based on colour, who would be more likely to want SisC dead? Scum or Town? Seems rather logical to me. I then went on to say I have also considered how unlikely it is that SilverJan would have admitted this if she were Scum. I'm neutral on the matter and felt an investigation of her would give information we could use. I also agree with Paranoia that it is more valuable to have SilverJan alive as she can help us get more information - which is why I voted to investigate her and not lynch her. But I see she posted that she has no problem being investigated and that makes me feel more like she's got nothing to hide so, for that reason, I'm going to change my investigation vote. Anti-investigate: SilverJan Investigate: MeekoNot wanting to be investigated is definitely suspicious, although I do worry about the risk of making Town powers a target. But as I said before, an investigation can help someone just as much as harming them. And Gnarly, why are you voting for Texcat when your comments were about me? I mean I'd rather you not vote for me, but you should have a reason for voting for Texcat.
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