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Post by Captain Klutz on Jan 28, 2014 7:12:41 GMT -5
If everyone is to be believed, we have 3 roleblockers:
1. Whoever blocked Colby on Night 1 2. Whoever blocked Mahaloth on Night 1 3. Meeko, who claimed to block someone else
It is certainly possible to have 2 town roleblockers, although not very common.
Whoever blocked Colby on Nights 1 and 2 was probably the scum roleblocker.
Last Night, Meeko was blocked (or at least, dizzymrslizzy reported him as not doing anything). Since Colby has reported being blocked, this was not Meeko. (My suspicion is that whoever blocked Mahaloth blocked Meeko last Night).
So if Colby is truthful about being blocked then Meeko is unlikely to be scum.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Jan 28, 2014 7:16:55 GMT -5
Vote: Pleonast for his push for a premature dizzymrslizzy lynch
Investigate: patricia because I don't have any read on her yet
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 28, 2014 8:34:52 GMT -5
See I don't get Pleo's push on me. As scum it's a bad move because there IS a Mad cop role out there in mafia land where all of the results are wrong. I know I'm Town, my flip and/or investigation will reveal it.
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Post by Meeko on Jan 28, 2014 10:28:18 GMT -5
I would like to remind the game that at the start of N2 I was Mod Revealed to be a role blocker.
YOU GUYS ARENT SKIMMING ARE YOU?!
Below is the text from my actions last night: -------
Well, you may have been outed, but that's not going to stop you doing what you think is best. Damned if you're going to let everyone's suspicions get in the way of what you know; you're not a communist, and to Hell with anyone who thinks so. You slip out to take action.
As you walk into the darkness, you hear a soft sound; you turn, a cloth is clamped over your mouth, and the world goes black.
You have been roleblocked.
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Post by Meeko on Jan 28, 2014 10:29:39 GMT -5
I FOS each and every vote against me. Especially the ones that are reasonless "Meeko must go, today" and other flavored of "Me too".
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Post by swammerdami on Jan 28, 2014 10:48:02 GMT -5
I'm afraid that once again we have active Townies voting each other, with Scum laying low. This is exacerbated by the special win conditions: I still think Bill and Story are both Town and are wasting their votes on each other.
I remain suspicious of Suburban Plankton, but would also support a Lynch of Paranoia or Patricia, with the main charge low participation. Instead Players vote for easy-to-lynch Meeko, and for Pleonast, another easy scapegoat. Pleonast is a low participant but his posts, even if misguided, seem like sincere scum-hunting. He's now the Lynch leader, I think, but I do have a strong Town read on him so will:
Antivote: Pleonast
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 28, 2014 11:24:55 GMT -5
The case against dizzymrslizzy is a matter of weighing likelihoods. Which is most likely? 1) Klutz is lying. 2) The moderator lied in Klutz's role pm: "Each night, you may select one target to investigate. Unless you are somehow interfered with or prevented from investigation, you will receive information about that player's alignment. You are a town-aligned alignment-cop." 3) All of Klutz's investigations are being interfered with. 4) dizzy is scum. I don't see any plausible motivation for Klutz to be lying about this, no matter if they're town or scum or any sort of third-party. I refuse to consider that a moderator would outright lie in a role PM. That leaves, which is more likely: all of Klutz's results have been interfered with, or dizzy is scum. Both are plausible, but the latter is more likely. Especially since dizzy is not a miller. I think his logic is somewhat flawed: he places a vote on Dizzy because of a result that we know could be wrong and expects Dizzy to explain it. How could she if she is Town and if she is scum is she going to admit to it? I already answered that: A convincing miller claim would get me to remove my vote. There may be other arguments as well. He is suspicious of me because I was disappointed to find out that my pernonal taget was Town No, I'm suspicious of you because you said, I was fairly convinced it would be a scum that I needed dead which I clearly explained when I voted for you: What is your victory condition? If you're town you already need to have all the scum dead. Why would you think your extra condition would also require a scum to be dead? That'd be rather redundant. I think you're not town, although not necessarily scum. vote Silver Jan for mixed up victory conditions. and yet he completly ignores BillMc's vote on Story. Perhaps you missed my first post ToDay. Even if this move successfully results in my mislynch, it will probably result in Bill being either Night killed or lynched on Night Three/Day Four. And that is exactly why in he-said-she-said situation, we need to lynch you. If you're town, a one-for-one trade is always useful, unless we're at lynch-or-lose. And I don't believe we are. And if you're not town, we need to lynch you anyway. vote storyteller0910 for being the West German defector. I feel he is just looking for a place to stick a vote and trying to look good while doing it. He doesn't make sense to me. It's called scum-hunting. Despite this game's limitation on voting, I'm not going to stop calling out suspicious players and voting them. So that when I'm dead, there'll be a clear record of who I think is scum and why. And I find it rather suspicious, that you've come up with reasons to vote for me, the player that has been most vocal against you. And your reasons are rather flaky: 1) You wondered how I expected a townie dizzy to explain the scum result on them. Yet I'd already said what I expected. 2) You misstated why I voted for you. 3) You said I completely ignored the Bill and story issue, avoiding my vote on story. That's three lies in your post. That is exactly how scum votes--lying about another player in order to generate suspicion of them. unvote dizzymrslizzy since there's more than one scum and we can wait on more Klutz data. vote Silver Jan for lying while making a case on the player whose been making the strongest case against them. From discussions in prior games, Investigators whose results are twisted (always backward, or always Scum, etc.) are common in Mafia games in some forums. (Though I don't recall it being used in games I've played here or at Geeb.) Thus, IMO, the most likely explanation for Lizzy's read as Scum is that Klutz is a reversed-result Investigator and Lizzy is Town! Do the moderators lie in role PMs in those games? There's no indication of unreliability in the description of Klutz's power. The color is just color. Just like we're discounting the color in Bill's pm. (I'd still like to see Bill clarify what part of their case against story is actual results vs inference from color.) I FOS each and every vote against me. Especially the ones that are reasonless "Meeko must go, today" and other flavored of "Me too". I got to agree. I've some suspicion on Meeko for their avoidance of the investigation, but the current votes on them aren't very convincing.
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 28, 2014 11:27:11 GMT -5
Some of those quotes look funky because the moderator has blocked quoting posts from earlier Days.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 28, 2014 11:43:23 GMT -5
Pleo you seem to be completely missing the fact that it looks like it's Town against Town for the extra kills and not Town against scum or vice versa, you have a damn bee in your bonnet about me but I shall have the last laugh as I am Town.
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Post by Pleonast on Jan 28, 2014 12:03:43 GMT -5
Pleo you seem to be completely missing the fact that it looks like it's Town against Town for the extra kills and not Town against scum or vice versa, No comment on your lies? So you're now agreeing with my case against you? That it's unreasonable to think that the extra kills are scum. That's exactly why I first voted for you--you expected your extra victory condition to be scum, when a townie would know they already needed all the scum dead. But your wrong about it being town vs town. The game designer would never make it that easy to confirm town. You've forgotten that's it's not just town and scum in this game. I'm not sure about recruitment, but it's also something to keep in mind when we get down to a few players.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 28, 2014 12:13:45 GMT -5
Pleo you seem to be completely missing the fact that it looks like it's Town against Town for the extra kills and not Town against scum or vice versa, No comment on your lies? So you're now agreeing with my case against you? That it's unreasonable to think that the extra kills are scum. That's exactly why I first voted for you--you expected your extra victory condition to be scum, when a townie would know they already needed all the scum dead. But your wrong about it being town vs town. The game designer would never make it that easy to confirm town. You've forgotten that's it's not just town and scum in this game. I'm not sure about recruitment, but it's also something to keep in mind when we get down to a few players. Did you think I made my PM up then? What about the fact that swammi needs me dead to win or does that make him scum too. I had forgotton your vote on story which doesn't make sense (your vote that is), oh never mind, I don't think I will change your mind but you are making a mistake. I was also the first person that got their extra wincon, there was no proof that it was Town on Town before then. Go on, twist this post too.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 28, 2014 12:20:54 GMT -5
While I'm at it
Unvote: Pleonast
Mainly for his unvote of Dizzy, who I think is Town and his picking apart all my posts, it does look as if he is scum hunting even though he is wrong.
Vote: Patricia
She is making me uncomfortable with her lack of participation and not being involved in the extra kill discussions.
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Post by patricia on Jan 28, 2014 13:49:35 GMT -5
I FOS each and every vote against me. Especially the ones that are reasonless "Meeko must go, today" and other flavored of "Me too". I will admit that my vote on Meeko is a little self severing as he is the person I need dead to meet my second win con. However, I much as I believe he is a roleblocker I don't see his play as pro town and feel he is some type of third party so until I see someone else who seems more scummy to me my vote stands for today. I always get under the gun at some point in every game for low posting - At some point you all will realize that is just how I play. I have a weak power and I'm not sure how it will be of any help to town but in a effort not to make the same mistakes I have in the past which have gotten me mislynched I'm just going to post my PM Your name is Borys Stasiuk. You are Ukranian, and you've grown to hate that fact. When The Ukraine joined the Soviet Union, you lost any love you had left for the country after the wars. But your family needed you, so you stayed, doing your best to shield them from the harsh conditions under the ludicrous Soviet rationing regulations. Ultimately, the only way you could provide enough for your children and avoid some of the cruel rationing was to join the secret service. You knew secret servicemen were generally ignored when it came to collection time, so you did what you had to do. It kills you a little inside to this day, but you did what you had to. Then, an American contacted you; they'd gotten wind of a potential defector within the Soviet secret service, and wanted to recruit you. You became a double-agent on the spot, and your knowledge of secret service members and tactics is invaluable to the West. Now that you're stuck here, you can put it to more practical use. Each night, you may select a player. If that player is targeted with any other actions that night by a player or players not aligned with the town, those actions will fail. However, your ability will NOT stop the mafia's kill, or any killing actions from any other alignments. You are a town-aligned protector. As a member of the town, you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. However, you also know that one of the old secret serviceman you worked with back in the war was going to be at this conference too, and you're worried he might have gotten stuck here too. You feel it is your duty to make sure Filip Schenk doesn't make it out of here even if you don't, if you do not, you DO NOT win, even if the town does. Night one I protected Colby Night two I protected Charlie - fat lot of good that did
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 28, 2014 14:12:35 GMT -5
Interesting....So two of us want Meeko dead? I'm kind of thinking that you aren't telling the truth here Patricia...
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Post by Silver Jan on Jan 28, 2014 14:12:42 GMT -5
Oh Paticia, you have now caused another problem, Dizzy has claimed the Meeko is the person she needs dead. Have we had double targets before?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 28, 2014 15:16:04 GMT -5
patricia claims that her target, per her PM, is 'Filip Schenk'. Did dizzy say exactly how she new Meeko was her target? In my notes, I referenced Post 35, where she just said So yeah, I guess at this point there's no harm releasing this piece of information. I was reluctant to release my tracking results on Meeko because well, Meeko is my extra target. My result still doesn't exonerate him, but we know he didn't block Colby last night unless as I said earlier it was an untrackable/stealth block? Was her target 'Filip Schenk', or 'the Roleblocker', or something else?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 28, 2014 15:46:07 GMT -5
If everyone is to be believed, we have 3 roleblockers: 1. Whoever blocked Colby on Night 1 2. Whoever blocked Mahaloth on Night 1 3. Meeko, who claimed to block someone else It is certainly possible to have 2 town roleblockers, although not very common. Whoever blocked Colby on Nights 1 and 2 was probably the scum roleblocker. Last Night, Meeko was blocked (or at least, dizzymrslizzy reported him as not doing anything). Since Colby has reported being blocked, this was not Meeko. (My suspicion is that whoever blocked Mahaloth blocked Meeko last Night). So if Colby is truthful about being blocked then Meeko is unlikely to be scum. I did the same analysis and got similar results, but I've come to a slightly different conclusion. Night 1: Meeko blocked someone, but it was neither Colby nor MahalothColby was blocked Mahaloth was blocked Night 2: Colby was blocked Meeko was blocked If we believe all of these claims, then there were three Roleblockers in action on Night 1: Meeko, the person who blocked Colby, and the person who blocked Mahaloth. There were also three Roleblockers on Night 2: Meeko (who was himself blocked), the person who blocked Colby, and the person who blocked Meeko. So we could have 2 Town Blockers and 1 Scum, but 2 Town Roleblockers is unlikely. We could have 1 Town Blocker and 2 Scum, but that's even more unlikely. We could have 1 Town, 1 Scum, and 1 Third-Party, which is an interesting combination... Or, we could choose not to believe all of the claims. It could be that Meeko is lying about his targets. Perhaps he blocked either Colby or Mahaloth on Night 1, and he blocked Colby on Night 2. We would still need a second Blocker to account for Mahaloth and an as-yet-unknown Night 2 target, but that's not implausible Or perhaps Colby is lying, and he hasn't been blocked at all. Meeko could be telling the truth, and again we just need to account for a second Blocker. Or Colby and Meeko could both be lying, in which case there's no evidence that a second Blocker even exists in the first place. I just have a problem believing that there are three Roleblockers in this game...which means that either Colby or Meeko (or possibly even both) are lying. I'm inclined to distrust Meeko, and the information from dizzymrslizzy doesn't change that feeling, but she does seem to be pretty clear on the fact that Meeko didn't go anywhere last Night. I'm almost certain there's something fishy going on with Meeko, but I'm not getting a Scum vibe from him right now. Which leaves Colby. He made an under-the-gun Doc claim on Day 1, and in the two Nights since we've had three deaths and he's been blocked twice, and voted for a Town lynch (Mahaloth) on Day 2. All of which is certainly explainable in an 'innocent' manner, but it's also explainable if he's actually Scum. vote Colby11
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Post by Chameleon on Jan 28, 2014 15:47:22 GMT -5
Sorry everyone. It's been a terrible week - very stressful work situation and I'm simply not doing well. I'm a bit overwhelmed at all that's happened and all that's been revealed so I'm just going to comment now on the most recent thing I've noticed. Each night, you may select a player. If that player is targeted with any other actions that night by a player or players not aligned with the town, those actions will fail. However, your ability will NOT stop the mafia's kill, or any killing actions from any other alignments. You are a town-aligned protector. Night one I protected Colby Night two I protected Charlie - fat lot of good that did Colby said he was blocked on Night 1. According to your claimed PM the block would not have taken effect unless it was from Town. That means that either the player who blocked Colby is Town, or you're lying (or I suppose it could be a mod mistake, but I'm going to assume it's not).
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 28, 2014 15:51:52 GMT -5
patricia claims that her target, per her PM, is 'Filip Schenk'. Did dizzy say exactly how she new Meeko was her target? In my notes, I referenced Post 35, where she just said So yeah, I guess at this point there's no harm releasing this piece of information. I was reluctant to release my tracking results on Meeko because well, Meeko is my extra target. My result still doesn't exonerate him, but we know he didn't block Colby last night unless as I said earlier it was an untrackable/stealth block? Was her target 'Filip Schenk', or 'the Roleblocker', or something else? I've answered my own question. dizzy posted her PM in Post 51 Today, which included As a member of the town, you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. However, you must also ensure that Filip Schenk is killed before the game ends: if the town is victorious but Filip Schenk is alive at the game's end, you do not win. You can win whether you are alive or dead so long as the town wins and your target is eliminated. So we have two people claiming that their PM instructed them that the needed to eliminate 'Filip Schenk'. I find this hard to believe. Unless someone else wants to volunteer that they have a 'duplicate target', one of them must be lying.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 28, 2014 17:03:12 GMT -5
patricia claims that her target, per her PM, is 'Filip Schenk'. Did dizzy say exactly how she new Meeko was her target? In my notes, I referenced Post 35, where she just said So yeah, I guess at this point there's no harm releasing this piece of information. I was reluctant to release my tracking results on Meeko because well, Meeko is my extra target. My result still doesn't exonerate him, but we know he didn't block Colby last night unless as I said earlier it was an untrackable/stealth block? Was her target 'Filip Schenk', or 'the Roleblocker', or something else? Yes I posted back on Page 2 a full claim with my target. First of all, I have no defense of Klutz's investigation. Unless I am a Miller and don't know it, my Role PM says that I am Town. Name and Country affiliation removed so I don't reveal myself to whoever might be gunning for me.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 28, 2014 17:07:10 GMT -5
And that's what I get for not reading the whole thread before responding.
I also like Chameleon's accusations towards Patricia.....
If you are a "protector" then why didn't you protect Colby against the block on N1?
Vote: Patricia
For the reasons of: 1) Claiming to be a protector but then doesn't protect the Soft Claimed Doc from a Roleblocker 2) Claiming to have the same target as me. 3) I don't believe your Role PM at all
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Post by Colby11 on Jan 28, 2014 18:17:25 GMT -5
And that's what I get for not reading the whole thread before responding. I also like Chameleon's accusations towards Patricia..... If you are a "protector" then why didn't you protect Colby against the block on N1? Vote: PatriciaFor the reasons of: 1) Claiming to be a protector but then doesn't protect the Soft Claimed Doc from a Roleblocker 2) Claiming to have the same target as me. 3) I don't believe your Role PM at all The only way that her story makes sense is if a Town Roleblocker targeted me.... But that doesn't make any sense to me? Unvote: Unvote all {/unvote} just in case I forgot to unvote Meeko
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Post by Colby11 on Jan 28, 2014 18:17:55 GMT -5
Well that didn't turn out so well... opps
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Post by Captain Klutz on Jan 28, 2014 18:24:01 GMT -5
Patricia having the same target as dizzymrslizzy looks a bit odd.
dizzymrslizzy describes him as "Ex-military, new to intelligence, got a chokehold that'd put out an ox."
Patricia describes him as "... one of the old secret serviceman..."
These do not look like descriptions of the same person, as I don't see how "old secret serviceman" can be "new to intelligence".
Also, her power supposedly blocks scum actions but not the scum kill. Since Colby's claimed block on Night 1 was almost certaimly scum, this means either: 1. Colby is lying 2. Colby was blocked by town 3. patricia is lying
I'm going with option 3.
Unvote: Pleonast Vote: patricia
So I'll also change my investigation target:
Uninvestigate: patricia Investigate: Suburban Plankton
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Post by swammerdami on Jan 29, 2014 0:15:18 GMT -5
Plankton won't be Lynched toDay. (And anyway, his long analytic posts seem Townie. ??) Unvote: Suburban Plankton
The role PM posted by Patricia differs from my Townie PM. I wonder if it's a Scum PM that's been modified. Vote: Patricia
If she flips Scum, that probably clears Lizzy. Uninvestigate: dizzymrslizzy
Is Colby or Meeko lying? (I'm afraid Town Powers may have much redundant targeting toNight, but perhaps any prior agreement would just help Scum.) Investigate: Colby11
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Post by Colby11 on Jan 29, 2014 0:38:11 GMT -5
Sure, feel free to investigate me.... I got nothing to hide
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Post by Meeko on Jan 29, 2014 9:36:38 GMT -5
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jan 29, 2014 12:31:18 GMT -5
Completed distracted by RL stuff - hoping to catch up this afternoon/evening. Sorry!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 29, 2014 13:47:16 GMT -5
You southern people don't know how to handle snow! LOL. Silly southerners! 3 inches of snow = nothing here in NY. We had those kinds of conditions over 14 inches last week!
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Post by Colby11 on Jan 29, 2014 15:12:08 GMT -5
[mod] Vote count, please [/mod]
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