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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 3, 2014 11:39:05 GMT -5
Two Night-Kills two Nights in a row? I am paranoid we have a 3rd-party Killer. I think the Scum Framer/Lawyer would be much more inclined to make a Scum look like Town than vice versa. If so, that might imply Colby is Scum. Vote: Colby11But I'm not sure. Perhaps Patricia visited Colby as the designated Scum Killer; he self-protected; and SisC was killed by a 3rd Party Killer. Speaking of 3rd Parties: I know who patricia visted night one, and it's because I'm co-aligned with texcat. She visited Colby night one Town will be much more likely to trust you if you post your complete role PM. Planks is still my #2 suspect. He is, I think, the only alleged Townie without a secondary win condition. He has many posts but hasn't helped with actual scum hunting (though neither have I ) He avoided mention of Patricia until she was up for Lynch (and then tried to deflect to Lizzie) . Investigate: Suburban Plankton Thank you, Paranoia. We can't rule out that "Up to twice during the game at night" is "Every Night" but (even though I'm not Catholic) I think confessions deserve absolution! Meanwhile, since logic has failed me this game, I'm going to switch to instinct: Unvote: Colby11Vote: Suburban PlanktonA couple things: I may be the only remaining player with no restrictions to my win-condition...but as I recall, niether Sister Coyote nor gnarlycharlie claimed any secondary wincons either, and they were both Town. And of course patricia claimed to have a secondary target, but that claim was almost certainly BS, so the presence or lack of a claimed secondary target doesn't mean a whole lot to me right at the moment. As far as my avoidance of patricia, and 'deflection' to dizzymrslizzy...pretty much everybody avoided patricia before her claim. And I don't recall 'deflecting' anything. I noted that the two claims (patricia's and dizzy's) seemed contradictory, but noted that there was no particular reason to believe one over the other. I still maintain that's true; hindsight is 20/20, but I think the Town got lucky that they picked the right person to believe. And when the admitted Third-Party Killer says "well, yeah, I killed those Townies, but those were the only two...I won't do it again, I promise!" and you just take their word for it? Your own voting record is nothing to write home about. Only an antivote on Day 1 (you were quite certain that guiri was Town, it seems). A one-off (on me) on Day 2. Day 3, you voted for dizzy. No, me. Make that patricia. OK, Meeko, and anti-vote patricia. Wait, that wasn't right, un-antivote. OK, it seems we've decided on patricia, so throw an extra vote on at the end just to make sure. I'm not sure whether I want to vote for you right now, or to renew my vote on Colby (who I still think is Scum)...or if we're far, far better off killing the confessed Third Party killer despite his assurance that he's really no threat at all anymore.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 3, 2014 11:43:42 GMT -5
On the topic of 'additional win conditions'...I will note that guiri also claimed to have no restrictions...but he turned out to be a 'Defector'. I'm sure that doesn't help me at all, but there's not much I can do about that...except note that if I'm any kind of 'Defector', I certainly don't know anything about it.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 3, 2014 12:38:17 GMT -5
I know who patricia visted night one, and it's because I'm co-aligned with texcat. She visited Colby night one. You are also claiming to have a secret board with TexCat as well, I assume? That would explain the lack of urgency for them posting their results. I would say that it looks as if Story and Meeko look pretty Townie now. Doesn't look to good for Colby though. Your play this game has been extraordinary unlike town. This statement, which is the entirety of your post, looks a lot like either 1) throwing your teammate under the bus (or at least distancing yourself, because there's no vote) or 2) smudging a player that's under heat (while avoiding culpability by actually voting for them). Combine that with your "confusion" about your victory conditions. And your series of lies for a case against me. You are not town. It's possible you're a third-party, but since you've denied that, I'm guessing your some sort of win-stealer or, as seems most likely to me, scum. vote Silver Jan for the multiple reasons explained in the previous two paragraphs. Being investigated is an order of pressure no townie should ever have upon them, especially compounded with the regular scum pressure/M.O. already upon them. Meeko, I've been getting a townie read from you this game (double congrats if you're scum), but statements like this show a fundamental misunderstanding of the game of mafia. Lynch pressure is necessary part of the game. Scum hate it because they can't afford to lose many. Town tolerates because they know they are innocent and a lynch simply confirms them. Likewise, scum fear an investigation because it'll reveal who they are. Town has nothing to fear. Really. We win even if we're dead. investigate Meeko because I think their town and not a good lynch, but because they're still against being investigated and a mod-confirmation would be very helpful. Just kill me now then. I don't care. But for humor I got role blocked by three different people.... So enjoy that information If you're town, why are you withholding pertinent information? Like who those three people are and how you know that.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 3, 2014 12:40:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing your some sort of win-stealer Yeah, I can't even spell right anymore.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 3, 2014 12:52:21 GMT -5
My order
I'm gonna arm myself with a bomb, a bat, and a handle of whiskey....
Then I will protect no one, cause I'll most likely either be blocked or killed....
Heck, protect Bill is my order....
Time to open that whiskey....
From the mod:
In the junk and detritus scattered throughout the tunnels, you manage to find an old, half-full, dust-coated and dust-flavored bottle of whiskey. It's rotgut, it's practically ancient enough to belong in a museum, and it's a far cry from anything you'd usually drink, but it'll get you through the night at least. You begin somewhat-unsteadily heading for Bill, not really expecting to make it there.
You don't.
When you wake up, you're barricaded in, your neck is bruised and your throat is sore, and if the headache and nausea are anything to go by, you've been drugged. You're pretty sure the whiskey wasn't that bad.
You have been affected by three roleblocks.
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So yeah... All I know is that three people decided that either A- I was scum, or B- know that I am a damn doctor!
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 3, 2014 12:53:37 GMT -5
My PM- if it makes a difference
Your name is Calogero Romano. You are many things: an Italian, a doctor, a humanitarian, and of course a spy. You've long since used your credentials and affiliation with charitable medical organizations to go where you needed to and get information from people who wouldn't talk to anyone else. Didn't help you avoid getting stuck here, though. Still, you've always been a man to do the job in front of you, and it looks like the one you're best suited for isn't going to be spying this time.
That said, you still do have your orders. A man named Ozan Lange has been feeding bad information to an allied intelligence agency for too long now, and he's either a liability or an actual double-agent. You've been wondering how exactly you were supposed to deal with him, and this gives you an opportunity to have the crowd do the work for you.
Each night you may select a player. Unless you are prevented from tending to them, that player will survive attempts to kill them on the night you are protecting them. You may not protect the same player on consecutive nights, but may protect the same player multiple times over the course of the game. You are a town-aligned doctor.
As a member of the town, you win when all threats to the town are eliminated. However, you must also ensure that Ozan Lange is killed before the game ends: if the town is victorious but Ozan Lange is alive at the game's end, you do not win. You can win whether you are alive or dead so long as the town wins and your target is eliminated
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 3, 2014 13:59:10 GMT -5
From the mod: In the junk and detritus scattered throughout the tunnels, you manage to find an old, half-full, dust-coated and dust-flavored bottle of whiskey. It's rotgut, it's practically ancient enough to belong in a museum, and it's a far cry from anything you'd usually drink, but it'll get you through the night at least. You begin somewhat-unsteadily heading for Bill, not really expecting to make it there. You don't. When you wake up, you're barricaded in, your neck is bruised and your throat is sore, and if the headache and nausea are anything to go by, you've been drugged. You're pretty sure the whiskey wasn't that bad. You have been affected by three roleblocks. I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that the Mod is referring to the fact that you were blocked on three consecutive Nights, or are you saying that the Mod told you that you were blocked by three different people on Night 3? In any case, if you're telling the truth, you're simultaneously the luckiest and the unluckiest Doc ever, having chosen the 'correct' target the last two Nights, but being unable to actually protect them both times. I can't decide if it's too much to believe, or too much to possibly be a lie.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 3, 2014 14:02:51 GMT -5
OK. Day 3, probably the most useful Day overall because patricia is now known to be Scum. Starting premises: Scum might be anywhere. They may have voted for patricia, actively attempted to avert her lynch, or remained on the sidelines. Thus the fact of an action counts much less than the timing and reasoning behind that action.
I will generally skip past discussing the actions of any player whose alignment is now known (BillMc and dizzymrslizzy, specifically). However, I will not assume any other player to be Town for the purposes of this analysis (other than myself), no matter how strongly I feel that circumstantial evidence points in a Townish direction.
Bracketed numbers are post numbers; all quotes are bleached and reformatted but not otherwise altered. Day Three:
Starts with BillMc calling me out and me calling back. It is now fairly evident that this was the result of over-reliance on color on both of our parts (and, with the benefit of hindsight, I see patricia gently fanning the flames right from the start [7]).
Colby votes Meeko, as a role blocker who visited Colby on Night Two per texcat. Paranoia at [13]:
At this point, I am still struggling with the question of why Colby ought be considered confirmed as of this post. We have no evidence that Colby is necessarily telling the truth about having been role blocked, and it is certainly possible that a Scum player could get role blocked several times in a row. This discussion continued for a while, but here, early, is Paranoia jumping to a conclusion that I’m not sure I get, while pairing off me and BillMc.
Patricia adds the third vote (!) on Meeko [16].
Swammerdami [22] votes for dizzymrslizzy but indicates a willingness to lynch Suburban Plankton, as well. Rationale is not given in this vote (but I haven’t gone back to Days One or Two to see if swammer has previously given one). Lizzy (27), who we now know to be Town, confirms that Meeko did not act during Night Two; thus Meeko did not block Colby, but Meeko is definitely a role-blocker. So: either Meeko is non-Scum or Colby is lying about his role (or both, obviously).
Meeko claims to have been role-blocked. Assuming that we take him and Colby at face value, this means a minimum of three role blockers: one who blocked Meeko, one who blocked Colby (probably Scum), and Meeko himself, who blocked no one.
Pleonast votes for me and lizzy, both for reasons that I will generously say reflect a certain amount of skimming in his reading (he acknowledges this, but I don’t think placing votes based on skimming is a good idea or particularly pro-Town even when stated directly).
Plankton floats around here a lot, making comments that make me suspicious. He continues to discuss the specific color of the results claimed by lizzy for Meeko – seemingly to keep suspicion on Meeko and ignoring the mounting evidence that color cannot be trusted.
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But then there’s this, from Pleonast:
Pleonast uses the phrase “interfered with” repeatedly here. Now that patricia is dead and we know that she was a “framer” (whatever that actually means), this post looks innocuous – it seems Klutz may indeed have been interfered with. But at the time Pleo makes this post, we didn’t know that a role capable of interfering with investigations was even in the game. Active interference was not the first thing I considered – I considered the possibility that Klutz’s investigations were unreliable in and of themselves (mostly because that was what Klutz himself posited).
But Pleonast jumped immediately to the idea that Klutz’s investigations were “interfered with” – wording that suggests active intervention by another role. This suggests to me that Pleo knew that there was a framer in the game as of the post quoted above, well before patricia was revealed as a framer.
Vote Pleonast
More later.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 3, 2014 14:09:04 GMT -5
My order I'm gonna arm myself with a bomb, a bat, and a handle of whiskey.... Then I will protect no one, cause I'll most likely either be blocked or killed.... Heck, protect Bill is my order.... Time to open that whiskey.... From the mod: In the junk and detritus scattered throughout the tunnels, you manage to find an old, half-full, dust-coated and dust-flavored bottle of whiskey. It's rotgut, it's practically ancient enough to belong in a museum, and it's a far cry from anything you'd usually drink, but it'll get you through the night at least. You begin somewhat-unsteadily heading for Bill, not really expecting to make it there. You don't. When you wake up, you're barricaded in, your neck is bruised and your throat is sore, and if the headache and nausea are anything to go by, you've been drugged. You're pretty sure the whiskey wasn't that bad. You have been affected by three roleblocks. ----------- So yeah... All I know is that three people decided that either A- I was scum, or B- know that I am a damn doctor! If you were blocked three times, then - wait - what? I'm so confused. That forces us to assume that either we have FIVE role blockers in this game (Meeko, the Person Who Blocked Meeko, and the Three People Who Blocked You). Or Meeko is lying and was not blocked but rather chose not to act. Or Meeko blocked you after all (do we have any evidence that he did not? I'm getting twisted around a lot here).
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 3, 2014 14:13:55 GMT -5
Gah - never mind. Meeko does not claim to have been blocked Night Three.
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 3, 2014 14:49:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether I want to vote for you right now, or to renew my vote on Colby (who I still think is Scum)...or if we're far, far better off killing the confessed Third Party killer despite his assurance that he's really no threat at all anymore. The Lazy Options. I like it.
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 3, 2014 14:49:46 GMT -5
Thrice damned quote bubbles.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 3, 2014 16:16:51 GMT -5
But then there’s this, from Pleonast: Pleonast uses the phrase “interfered with” repeatedly here. Now that patricia is dead and we know that she was a “framer” (whatever that actually means), this post looks innocuous – it seems Klutz may indeed have been interfered with. But at the time Pleo makes this post, we didn’t know that a role capable of interfering with investigations was even in the game. Active interference was not the first thing I considered – I considered the possibility that Klutz’s investigations were unreliable in and of themselves (mostly because that was what Klutz himself posited). But Pleonast jumped immediately to the idea that Klutz’s investigations were “interfered with” – wording that suggests active intervention by another role. This suggests to me that Pleo knew that there was a framer in the game as of the post quoted above, well before patricia was revealed as a framer. I may be skimming, but I am trying to figure things out. Klutz had results on gnarly that proved their results were wrong. gnarly wasn't a miller, so the only other choices are outside interference or they're lying about their results. I didn't see any reason to doubt their claim, so that means we knew there was interference.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 3, 2014 16:46:05 GMT -5
I was visited by three roleblockers.. That is all that I know.
Yeah, talk about crappy luck. I thought that Bill might be useful down the road... Sigh...
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 3, 2014 17:46:59 GMT -5
Last Night I investigate Colby. The result: "You have determined that Colby11 is aligned with the mafia." There is an interesting thing from Colby's claim: That said, you still do have your orders. A man named Ozan Lange has been feeding bad information to an allied intelligence agency for too long now, and he's either a liability or an actual double-agent. You've been wondering how exactly you were supposed to deal with him, and this gives you an opportunity to have the crowd do the work for you. Note the "...Ozan Lange has been feeding bad information..." This is a bit of colour that is accurate, as I am Ozan Lange So I think it's highly likely that I am a Mad Cop.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 3, 2014 18:03:43 GMT -5
Last Night I investigate Colby. The result: "You have determined that Colby11 is aligned with the mafia." There is an interesting thing from Colby's claim: That said, you still do have your orders. A man named Ozan Lange has been feeding bad information to an allied intelligence agency for too long now, and he's either a liability or an actual double-agent. You've been wondering how exactly you were supposed to deal with him, and this gives you an opportunity to have the crowd do the work for you. Note the "...Ozan Lange has been feeding bad information..." This is a bit of colour that is accurate, as I am Ozan Lange So I think it's highly likely that I am a Mad Cop. That can't be a coincidence....
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 3, 2014 18:03:48 GMT -5
The Lazy Options. I like it. What exactly is lazy about it? I listed a number of people of whom I am suspicious. Is there a problem with that?
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 3, 2014 21:47:06 GMT -5
The Lazy Options. I like it. What exactly is lazy about it? I listed a number of people of whom I am suspicious. Is there a problem with that? Yes. your choices were the classic "Claimed doctor who's still alive and has eaten at least one role block a night that's really suspicious" to "oh man an outed third party better lynch 'em!" Makes me quite happy with my vote on you.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 4, 2014 0:49:23 GMT -5
But then there’s this, from Pleonast: Pleonast uses the phrase “interfered with” repeatedly here. Now that patricia is dead and we know that she was a “framer” (whatever that actually means), this post looks innocuous – it seems Klutz may indeed have been interfered with. But at the time Pleo makes this post, we didn’t know that a role capable of interfering with investigations was even in the game. Active interference was not the first thing I considered – I considered the possibility that Klutz’s investigations were unreliable in and of themselves (mostly because that was what Klutz himself posited). But Pleonast jumped immediately to the idea that Klutz’s investigations were “interfered with” – wording that suggests active intervention by another role. This suggests to me that Pleo knew that there was a framer in the game as of the post quoted above, well before patricia was revealed as a framer. I may be skimming, but I am trying to figure things out. Klutz had results on gnarly that proved their results were wrong. gnarly wasn't a miller, so the only other choices are outside interference or they're lying about their results. I didn't see any reason to doubt their claim, so that means we knew there was interference. Wouldn't the simplest explanation be that he is a Mad Cop? We now know that Patricia was a framer/lawyer but how would she know to target the same people that Klutz did, that's just too lucky. Now we have another result and that Colby is Mafia, if you had read my second post of the Day you would have seen that I did give a reason why scum might want to keep Colby alive, he isn't much use to Town if he can't do his job. You just have a bee in your bonnet about me and it's getting old now. Do you really think that I would push two team mates under the bus? Vote: Vote PleonastI think you are scum, especially with the idea that there was interference with the results and you want to investigate Meeko again, why? Meeko was Dizzy's target, Dizzy was Town, by your own admission you think I am scummy because I confirmed that the 2nd wincon seemed to be Town on Town and yet you still think Meeko is scum. You are not making sense.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Feb 4, 2014 2:28:00 GMT -5
Votes: Suburban Plankton [2]: Swammerdami (15), Paranoia (16) Pleonast [2]: Storyteller0910 (37), Silver Jan (48) Colby11 [1]: Swammerdami (5), Chameleon (8) Captain Klutz [1]: Meeko (29) Silver Jan [1]: Pleonast (32) Paranoia [0]: Captain Klutz (1)
Investigations: Meeko [2]: Captain Klutz (28), Pleonast (32) Suburban Plankton [1]: Swammerdami (5) Swammerdami [1]: Chameleon (8)
With these votes, no player will be lynched and Meeko will be investigated.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 4, 2014 8:43:37 GMT -5
With Paranoia's claim, all Night kills are accounted for:
Night 1 Scum kill Sister Coyote
Night 2 Scum kill texcat Paranoia kills gnarlycharlie
Night 3 Scum kill dizzymrslizzy Paranoia kills BillMc
So it seems there have been no blocked kills.
Let's look at the blocks:
Night 1 Colby blocked by Chameleon Mahaloth blocked by (unknown) BillMc blocked by Meeko
Night 2 Colby blocked by (unknown) Meeko blocked by Chameleon No-one blocked by Meeko
Night 3 Colby blocked by Meeko, Chameleon and (unknown)
So we have 3 rolblockers, almost certainly one town, one scum, one third party. The scum blocker was surely the unknown who blocked Colby on Night 2, so Meeko is extremely likely to be town.
I am also pretty darn sure that Colby is town. My investigation suggests it, his being blocked and still surviving is explainable by scums actions (frame him on Night 1, block him on Nights 2 and 3 so that the outed Watcher and Tracker can be killed). In addition, his doctor role has been confirmed by gnarlycharlie, the role cop. A scum doctor would be a very unusual role.
Anyway, there is no need to reinvestigate Meeko, so Uninvestigate: Meeko
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 4, 2014 8:46:11 GMT -5
There aren't many hiding places left for scum. Removing the third parties, the 2 likely townies, and myself, leaves just the following:
Suburban Plankton Pleonast storyteller0910 Silver Jan Swammerdami
Which is a pretty narrow pool if there are 3 or 4 scum remaining.
Having 2 role blockers also means that there is a very good chance of blocking the scum's kill.
Pleonast, do you have an extra win condition? Storyteller, are you ready to reveal your target?
Vote: Suburban Plankton
Investigate: Pleonast
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 4, 2014 9:10:56 GMT -5
There aren't many hiding places left for scum. Removing the third parties, the 2 likely townies, and myself, leaves just the following: Suburban Plankton Pleonast storyteller0910 Silver Jan Swammerdami Which is a pretty narrow pool if there are 3 or 4 scum remaining. Having 2 role blockers also means that there is a very good chance of blocking the scum's kill. Pleonast, do you have an extra win condition? Storyteller, are you ready to reveal your target? Vote: Suburban PlanktonInvestigate: PleonastI'll make a note here a good few of us still need other people *dead* in order to win. ending the game lickity split just means a lot of us (not just my team) still lose out come end game, and I've figured out how a three handed lylo situation is still winnable by town (i.e. just antivote yourself. Town has to vote together yadda yadda but I have a feeling by that point things might be hammered out.) The question now is how far are we willing to take this game of chicken, as for me the game has to enter a phase with four people still living for me to actually win.
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 4, 2014 9:14:24 GMT -5
basically what I'm saying is with my team and guiri a starting scum team of three seems about right. if we hit scum today we need to sort out the logistics of ensuring most the town actually wins for lynching all them scums.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 4, 2014 9:28:47 GMT -5
I would tend to leave story out of that list because BillMc needed him dead and BillMc was Town. Swammer has already said he needs me dead so I would cross hom off too.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 4, 2014 9:55:56 GMT -5
Gut is saying to vote for Pleonast, so that is what I am doing
Nothing personal
Vote: Vote Pleonast
and Investigate Swammerdami[/color][/b]
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 4, 2014 10:59:02 GMT -5
Two remaining Scum seems about right. Process of elimination leaves only a single strong candidate. I'm already voting Suburban Plankton, and strongly advise to Lynch him toDay. No sense wasting an Investigation on the Lynchee.
Uninvestigate: Suburban Plankton
I've a strong Town read on Pleonast; but let's do Investigate him.
Antivote: Pleonast
Investigate: Pleonast
Assuming exactly two Scum remain, we'll need to Mislynch twice to come down to the optimal ending. (Or Mislynch three times, if Scum misses a Night Kill.) But I think it's too early to mislynch deliberately!
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 4, 2014 11:21:23 GMT -5
I may be skimming, but I am trying to figure things out. Klutz had results on gnarly that proved their results were wrong. gnarly wasn't a miller, so the only other choices are outside interference or they're lying about their results. I didn't see any reason to doubt their claim, so that means we knew there was interference. Wouldn't the simplest explanation be that he is a Mad Cop? We now know that Patricia was a framer/lawyer but how would she know to target the same people that Klutz did, that's just too lucky. Now we have another result and that Colby is Mafia, if you had read my second post of the Day you would have seen that I did give a reason why scum might want to keep Colby alive, he isn't much use to Town if he can't do his job. You just have a bee in your bonnet about me and it's getting old now. Do you really think that I would push two team mates under the bus? Vote: Vote PleonastI think you are scum, especially with the idea that there was interference with the results and you want to investigate Meeko again, why? Meeko was Dizzy's target, Dizzy was Town, by your own admission you think I am scummy because I confirmed that the 2nd wincon seemed to be Town on Town and yet you still think Meeko is scum. You are not making sense. I am making perfect sense, but you don't want anyone to look at where I'm pointing. And you keep misstating my case on you and what you said. I don't like the fact that I needed a Townie to die for me to win, up until toDay I was fairly convinced it would be a scum that I needed dead. What is your victory condition? If you're town you already need to have all the scum dead. Why would you think your extra condition would also require a scum to be dead? That'd be rather redundant. I think you're not town, although not necessarily scum. Nothing about "confirming that the 2nd wincon seemed to be Town on Town". And here is what I said about Meeko: investigate Meeko because I think their town and not a good lynch, but because they're still against being investigated and a mod-confirmation would be very helpful. Yes, you are telling a bald-faced lie when you say "yet you still think Meeko is scum". I can't see any pro-town reason for your misstatements and lies about me. Townies need to read posts and make cases about what other players have said and done. You are upset about my case on you and then you make up lies to discredit me. Presumably with the hope that others what follow me. But I think it's pretty stupid, because my posts are there for all to read and see what a liar you are. Compare your case with the one storyteller has made. It's a good, pro-town case based on what I said. It's wrong, but they're obviously helping town when they make it. I see no reason to think Klutz is lying when they said this: I am a town-aligned alignment-cop And they confirmed that what was in their role PM. I'm always going to play with the assumption that the rules and role PMs are always truthful. Games are broken if those are false. Pleonast, do you have an extra win condition? Yes, I do, but it's rather different. I'm going to censor some of this, because I don't want to inform other claims.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 4, 2014 14:38:04 GMT -5
You know what makes me very unhappy with your supposed wincon Pleo? The capital letters are the same as in Patricia's wincon and she was scum. I am going on memory here so I could be wrong but there are no capital letters ie DO NOT, in Towns wincons and there definitely aren't in mine. It's a very good fake PM but fake it is.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 4, 2014 17:42:13 GMT -5
Okay,so you need someone to SURVIVE in order to win. That means that those 3 characters cannot be threats to town. Why on earth did you not reveal those names immediately? It's 3 characters who we don't need to lynch. And since thay are character names, they can be revealed without giving anyone away. I'm extremely hesitant to think we can extract a townie list based on claimed secondary targets. (this was the last line of a long post) So you think we can't extract a townie list based on claimed secondary targets. And you also didn't think your own private list of 3 townies was worth mentioning?? I'll be happy with a Pleonast lynch toDay
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