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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Feb 13, 2014 12:17:00 GMT -5
In something of a departure from previous days, it looked like light was starting to dawn on the survivors. Not in a literal sense, of course, but a plan was starting to form, things were coming out in the open, and a tenuous consensus was starting to build about how best to solve their current predicament. How much of what they believed was accurate remained to be seen, but their hesitant confidence made doing what had to be done efficient, cold, and businesslike.
Attention was first turned to one of the last holdouts, someone who had been most cagey with information about himself. That caginess began to disappear is the group cum mob focused on him. Eventually. It is perhaps best not to dwell on what transpired, if only because the situation is already so dark and inhuman. Suffice it to say, information eventually came to light.
Storyteller0910's name is Huppert Breiner.
Storyteller0910 is aligned with the town.
Once their curiosity had been sated to their satisfaction, it was Silver Jan next in the crosshairs. He would not have the opportunity to placate them, despite his protestations that it was he who had helped bring all the information the survivors had to light.
Silver Jan was an Icelander named Baldur Agnarsson. A clerk and intelligence analyst, but never a field agent, he had little he could do within the web of intrigue and clandestine skulking that was each night trapped in this place; without any active powers, he saw to it that any target he investigated during the day would be more thoroughly investigated due to his involvement. He was a town-aligned investigation-booster.
One more suspicion confirmed, one more target eliminated, the now-fewer survivors dispersed again. It would not be long before they regrouped.
Night Five will end either when I receive all actions or on Friday, February 14 at 8:00 PM PST, whichever comes first. Going forward, days will be shortened to 48 hours, and nights to 24 hours (presuming the board doesn't become inaccessible again).
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 13, 2014 12:22:31 GMT -5
Good Luck Town!!!
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 13, 2014 12:33:14 GMT -5
Well, I have no clue then.
I'm also going to be out of internet this weekend, starting tomorrow and not getting back until Monday or Tuesday.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 13, 2014 13:43:38 GMT -5
So I was looking at the Captain's loop list and am I right in assuming that, if he's right, it's not possible for all Townies to win? Every Town player needs another Town player dead in order to meet their win condition, but there needs to be at least one Town left in order for Town to win, meaning whoever needed that remaining living player dead can't win. Am I missing something or does that not seem quite right/fair?
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 13, 2014 13:48:10 GMT -5
Just to clarify - I mean it is possible for any particular Townie to win, but it means "double-crossing" another Townie, preventing them from winning. Or someone needs to sacrifice their win for everyone else (and I don't think that seems fair). OR...there's something else going on that we haven't found out or thought about yet.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 13, 2014 14:50:06 GMT -5
So I was looking at the Captain's loop list and am I right in assuming that, if he's right, it's not possible for all Townies to win? ... Am I missing something or does that not seem quite right/fair? Well, life isn't fair. But if Story is indeed Scum Godfather then I can survive without meaning any Townie loses, since I am Story's target. Either way, we maximize our win by leaving a 3rd Partier alive till the end. But perhaps we should worry that you 3rd-Partiers will show your disdain for Western Imperialism by double-crossing the NATO countries at the end? Thus, I need to ask you, Miss Chameleon: Is it safe?( And, are links now broken on Proboards? ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-OviftusB8 )
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 13, 2014 16:43:36 GMT -5
I'm taking the investigation reveal to mean that storyteller is indeed town, and so not the scum godfather. Yes, I am treating that as a mod reveal, and different to a cop investigation.
So now I am at a bit of a loss.
I think that tomorrow we need to lynch one of the third party players. Note that if they get to the final 4 then they have no motivation to side with town. So Swammi, I suggest that toNight there is no need for you to investigate Chameleon.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 13, 2014 16:47:00 GMT -5
I personally don't trust that we have this many investigators... If I had to put one of them out, it would be Captain, simply because I don't believe that we would have 4 cops, and one be insane.
Other than that, I'd take out Pleonast. Paranoia, correct me if I am wrong, is a part of the third party team, correct? Is Chameleon with him on that team?
I think Meeko is town, simply because of setup, along with how he has played. There be my thoughts in case I die. Cheers!
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 13, 2014 18:45:19 GMT -5
That completes my list. I need one of the Belgian, Norwegian, or Turkish players to survive. Mahaloth was Norwegian, Town and now dead. swammer claimed Belgian and Klutz had claimed Turk. I need one of you two to stay alive. We can do a small check that these nationalities are indeed unique. Can those people who have not revealed their nationality simply say whether or not they are Belgian, Norwegian, or Turkish? Also Swammerdami, could you post your role PM?
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 13, 2014 21:37:33 GMT -5
Night Five will end either when I receive all actions or on Friday, February 14 at 8:00 PM PST, whichever comes first. Going forward, days will be shortened to 48 hours, and nights to 24 hours (presuming the board doesn't become inaccessible again). How many hours away is that?
Also, I don't want this Night shortened as there are some important things that need to be discussed.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 14, 2014 2:35:27 GMT -5
I think a Godfather might show as Town to the Town's joint Investgation, as well as to specific Investigations. Still, I find Pleonast the more likely Godfather for other reasons.
Was last Night's NK prevented by Meeko, Colby, or Chameleon? (Or did Scum decline to Kill just to confuse us?) Since Chameleon is a Blocker, I thought we should Lynch Paranoid first instead; that's why I wanted to Investigate Chameleon. Everyone else has been Investigated except Meeko and Klutz. I've no intention of Investigating Klutz, who's been playing as the Towniest Townie in the Town: If you're Scum, Captain, congratulations are in order.
But I overlooked that, to serve the 3rd Parties' interests, we have to Kill them! If Townies become as few as three in number we'll need to Lynch the last Scum, or risk Scum bullet-proof or double Kill. With that precaution, both 3rd Partiers will need to be dead for their own win. We'll also need to nominate three Townies to sacrifice their own win. (I nominate SisC and Dizzy, so that we can keep protectors Meeko and Colby alive to the end). If we end up with five players -- 3 Townies, Chameleon, and putative Godfather Pleonast, we should probably take a slight risk and Lynch Chameleon so she can win.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 14, 2014 2:57:21 GMT -5
Meeko blocked me on night 4, so that's all the blocking that happened (from what we know anyway).
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 14, 2014 3:01:03 GMT -5
Which means that (again, based on what we *think* we know) either a protector was really lucky in choosing the Scum target, or Scum has purposefully refrained from killing anyone on Night 4.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 14, 2014 3:09:59 GMT -5
Either way, we maximize our win by leaving a 3rd Partier alive till the end. But perhaps we should worry that you 3rd-Partiers will show your disdain for Western Imperialism by double-crossing the NATO countries at the end? Thus, I need to ask you, Miss Chameleon: Is it safe?Well, it's looking pretty good for Town at the moment so some mutual back scratching can be beneficial to Town and the Bodystackers (that's what our 3rd party group is called - I kind of like it ). That said, if there is only one Scum left and they win, I'm pretty sure we would win as well. But if there's a "wrench" in everything, such as an independent PFK, then who knows. It makes the most sense for us to side with the team that possibly has 5 players left as opposed to 1 as long as they're willing to help us (which incidentally will help most of them by meeting their individual conditions). Definitely an interesting game where almost everyone needs to die.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 3:13:08 GMT -5
Swammerdami, how did you work out that Silver Jan was your target?
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Feb 14, 2014 4:17:26 GMT -5
How many hours away is that? 35 hours away from the OP, 28 hours from your question, and 19 hours from now. I can extend it if necessary.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 14, 2014 5:31:39 GMT -5
Swammerdami, how did you work out that Silver Jan was your target? She posted much of her PM with redactions, but I learned she'd never left her country. Since most Europeans travel across their borders, I guessed she might be the (relatively isolated) Icelandic I sought. I asked her what her country was; she said Iceland.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 5:47:14 GMT -5
How many hours away is that? 35 hours away from the OP, 28 hours from your question, and 19 hours from now. I can extend it if necessary. Okay, that's probably long enough. No need to extend
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 5:59:52 GMT -5
Okay, I've been wrong a few times. But ths time I think I actually have found the the last 1 or 2 scum. Here is the ring of targets, as previously worked out: Dizzymrslizzy --> Meeko --> BillMc --> storyteller0910 --> Swammerdami --> Silver Jan --> Sister Coyote --> Colby (guessing this is Sister Coyote's target) --> Captain Klutz --> Mahaloth --> Gnarly --> Dizzymrslizzy (guessing this is Gnarly's target) The players not in the loop are: texcat (third party) Paranoia (third party) Chameleon (third party) Pleonast (town or godfather, according to Swammerdami) guiri (defector) Suburban Plankton (scum) patricia (scum) In that loop, there are only 2 players whose alignments are unknown: me and Swammerdami. All the others are town. So if we are both town then the targeting business was 100% town on town, which seems very unlikely. Pleonast needs to keep someone alive in order to win. He has revealed that the three players are Mahaloth, Swammerdami and me. He has also stated that he thinks it is unlikely that all three are town. This is what he said about it: I'm not sure why you're so certain that my list has to be non-scum. That's even less likely than that all the extra wincon targets are town. If I knew they were all non-scum, I'd have claimed on Day One and we'd have a bloc of half-masons. So the conclusion is that either me or Swammerdami is scum. That presents a problem, as we are at a crucial crossroads in the game. There are 8 players left, of which 2 are third party and 1 or 2 are scum. If there is only one scum left then third party will find it advantageous to side with scum, as that will require more kills. So if a townie dies toNight then town will likely be in the minority and it's game over. I (obviously) think Swammerdami is scum. This puts a question mark over Pleonast as well, having been twice cleared by Swammerdami. So the final scum are either just Swammerdami, or Swammerdami and Pleonast. I think we need to block both Swammerdami and Pleonast toNight. Note that if they are both scum then they will want to kill me toNight. That gives Pleonast an excuse to defend Swammerdami, as he will (supposedly) need Swammerdami alive to win. Although in this case he will also need do defend 2 things that he says are unlikely: that his list is all town, and also that the targeting business is 100% town. If the third parties are happy to co-operate, then I suggest the following: - toNight block Swammerdami and Pleonast - if no Night kills then lynch Pleonast toMorrow - we then lynch selectively before the final lynch of Swammerdami, to leave just 3 players Note that I am happy to be lynched before Swammerdami, so I won't be in the final 4. Come to think of it, it doesn't even matter if I die overNight, as that will just confirm Swammerdami as the last unknown alignment in that ring of targets. So tomorrow just lynch Pleonast. Then we can navigate our way to a joint town/third party win. And yes, I have confirmed with FruitAndGarbage that Third Party is distinct from PFK, so they are not win stealers.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 14, 2014 7:20:24 GMT -5
So the conclusion is that either me or Swammerdami is scum. That presents a problem, as we are at a crucial crossroads in the game. There are 8 players left, of which 2 are third party and 1 or 2 are scum. If there is only one scum left then third party will find it advantageous to side with scum, as that will require more kills. So if a townie dies toNight then town will likely be in the minority and it's game over. I (obviously) think Swammerdami is scum. This puts a question mark over Pleonast as well, having been twice cleared by Swammerdami. So the final scum are either just Swammerdami, or Swammerdami and Pleonast. I think we need to block both Swammerdami and Pleonast toNight. Note that if they are both scum then they will want to kill me toNight. That gives Pleonast an excuse to defend Swammerdami, as he will (supposedly) need Swammerdami alive to win. Although in this case he will also need do defend 2 things that he says are unlikely: that his list is all town, and also that the targeting business is 100% town. If the third parties are happy to co-operate, then I suggest the following: - toNight block Swammerdami and Pleonast - if no Night kills then lynch Pleonast toMorrow - we then lynch selectively before the final lynch of Swammerdami, to leave just 3 players Note that I am happy to be lynched before Swammerdami, so I won't be in the final 4. Come to think of it, it doesn't even matter if I die overNight, as that will just confirm Swammerdami as the last unknown alignment in that ring of targets. So tomorrow just lynch Pleonast. Then we can navigate our way to a joint town/third party win. And yes, I have confirmed with FruitAndGarbage that Third Party is distinct from PFK, so they are not win stealers. I'm not sure I agree with all your reasoning. Particularly how if a Townie dies tonight that Town will be in the minority? The third party players don't count in anyone's numbers but you seem to be counting us in anyway. Also, if we lynch Pleo tomorrow and he's the last Scum then a bunch of us lose (including me, which makes me unhappy ). Letting someone die tonight will give us information we need. I'd like to hear if Meeko is on board with your idea of blocking Pleo and Swammer or just plans to block me again tonight - which is really not very productive.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 8:08:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree with all your reasoning. Particularly how if a Townie dies tonight that Town will be in the minority, The third party players don't count in anyone's numbers but you seem to be counting us in anyway. Also, if we lynch Pleo tomorrow and he's the last Scum then a bunch of us lose (including me, which makes me unhappy ). Letting someone die tonight will give us information we need. I'd like to hear if Meeko is on board with your idea of blocking Pleo and Swammer or just plans to block me again tonight - which is really not very productive. I am more confident of Swammerdami's scumminess, than Pleonast's, which is why I suggest lynching Pleonast first. If you like we can lynch Swammerdami first. As for "town being in the minority", if there are 2 scum left and a townie dies tonight then scum plus third party make a majority, so they can control the vote if they wish. That doesn't matter if third party are happy to side with town. As for information from someone dying toNight, I'm not sure what information we can get. Scum will not kill a third party player or a scum suspect. In fact, they will probably target storyteller, as he has been mod confirmed as town. So I'm not seeing what information we can gain. And yes, it also depends on Meeko being on board. With luck he will let us know.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 14, 2014 8:52:33 GMT -5
Captain Klutz, do you think I'm a Scum Investigator? If not, how did I know Texcat was 3rd Party as I breadcrumbed Day 2?
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 14, 2014 8:55:51 GMT -5
Also, you seize on Pleonast's surmise that one of his three friends is Scum and assume that is correct. Might not Pleonast simply be wrong? (Or, if Scum, deliberately lying?)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 14, 2014 11:29:44 GMT -5
Strategy stuff momentarily, but first an open letter:
Dear Scum (and Paranoia and Chameleon, if you have killing methods remaining and intend to use them):
I have the ability to ensure that I will not die toNight if you attack me. You cannot prevent me from using this ability. Will I use it?
Guess![/b]
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Post by Meeko on Feb 14, 2014 13:35:35 GMT -5
Which means that (again, based on what we *think* we know) either a protector was really lucky in choosing the Scum target, or Scum has purposefully refrained from killing anyone on Night 4. I must have missed where we cleared you as town.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 15:30:07 GMT -5
Which means that (again, based on what we *think* we know) either a protector was really lucky in choosing the Scum target, or Scum has purposefully refrained from killing anyone on Night 4. I must have missed where we cleared you as town. Meeko, they are not town but third party. Texcat has been revealed as third party, Chameleon and Paranoia have claimed to be in that third party group. FruitAndGarbage has confirmed (via PM) that third party is distinct from PFK (feel free to ask him yourself). We are likely to lynch one of Chameleon and Paranoia before the end of the game, which will confirm both of their alignments. So I'm not seeing why you are regarding them as scum.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 15:41:18 GMT -5
Captain Klutz, do you think I'm a Scum Investigator? If not, how did I know Texcat was 3rd Party as I breadcrumbed Day 2? I don't recall that texcat breadcrumb, but I do remember the paranoia breadcrumb on Day 4. That does puzzle me. I actually thought you were going to be a name cop, as we had already seen a role cop, a nationality cop and a role cop. I was a bit surprised when you claimed role cop. It is a bit odd that you managed to find 2 third parties in your investigations. All I can think of is that scum had some knowledge of the third party group. Which I agree doesn't sound all that likely. As for Pleonast's surmise that one of his 3 friends must be scum: I think Pleonast is also scum, as I don't really believe his win condition. It is a bit curious that you and I are the last 2 in 2 separate lists: the chain of town targets, and Pleonast's friends. I'm trying to point out that, if I die, then Pleonast has an excuse to keep you alive as he then needs you alive to win. But Pleonast himself says it's likely that one of them is scum, so he's going to have to also defend that. And he's also said that it's unlikely that all the targeting business was all town.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 14, 2014 16:48:52 GMT -5
That does puzzle me. I actually thought you were going to be a name cop, as we had already seen a role cop, a nationality cop and a role cop. I was a bit surprised when you claimed role cop. That's a bit confusing I also think his wincon is weird, and I actually considered claiming something similar as my wincon at some point to cover up the fact that I need LOTS of dead players to win (but when I realized that most Townies needed another Townie dead too it didn't seem like a big deal anymore). But if he's Scum I don't know that it makes sense that he needs a Townie alive (think about what would happen if he were the last Scum during a Day phase, and there was only one Town left and one or more third party - essentially the third party control the vote and would choose which player wins. In that situation the last Town would need to die for Scum to win). And if he's Town I don't see how he can win with any Scum alive (unless his wincon excludes Town's, which makes him rather un-town-like). What if he's neither?
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 17:10:59 GMT -5
Aaaargh, yes, I meant "I was a bit surprised when you claimed alignment cop.
And I simply don't believe Pleonast's win condition. Pleonast says that he would not be surprised if one of his friends is actually scum, even though that makes no sense from a town point of view. I think he is scum and his win condition is a total lie.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 14, 2014 17:14:56 GMT -5
Crap, messed it up worse than I thought. I'll do that whole paragraph again. That does puzzle me. I actually thought you were going to be a name cop, as we had already seen a role cop, a nationality cop and a role cop. I was a bit surprised when you claimed role cop. Should have been: "That does puzzle me. I actually thought you were going to be a name cop, as we had already seen a role cop, a nationality cop and an alignment cop. I was a bit surprised when you claimed alignment cop."
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