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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Feb 19, 2014 4:51:35 GMT -5
No new information is revealed about Storyteller0910 as a result of this investigation.
Paranoia was Bomani Chigaru. As an Egyptian and a man with little tie to either the East or the West, he was very upset about the increasing threat of global conflict resulting from the standoff between the two powers. A political activist and protester, he'd come to the conference to make his points known; when he'd been trapped here, he decided to make them known in as dramatic a way as possible. He wasn't a trained killer and didn't have the resources or abilities to murder the way the mafia did, but he was enthusiastic. He was a third-party bodystacker (two-shot killer).
The night's end is tentatively scheduled for 10:00 PM on Thursday the 20th. As always, any objections or opinions will be considered.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 19, 2014 5:35:39 GMT -5
Klutz, may I assume you will investigate Chameleon? She's the only player as yet uninvestigated.
(That will free me up to Investigate you, as some have asked me to do.)
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 19, 2014 7:10:28 GMT -5
Klutz, may I assume you will investigate Chameleon? She's the only player as yet uninvestigated. (That will free me up to Investigate you, as some have asked me to do.) I was thinking of investigating Pleonast, in case he was someone who could change sides. But investigating Chameleon would be interesting, as I am curious as to what sort of result I will get. Okay, I'm happy to investigate Chameleon toNight.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 19, 2014 12:18:34 GMT -5
Okay, so that confirms Chameleon. I don't see any point investigating them, but I guess it doesn't hurt.
I thought my answer to your question "Do you believe it is plausible that the entire targeting business would be 100% town on town?" was obvious from the course of the game. But I can talk more about it.
I do not think it is plausible. It would make the game "solvable" with a mass claim, although there'd still be in-fighting among the townies with a kill condition. That's not something I'd consider desirable in a mafia game design. (Mass claims are okay--but only if they don't give an advantage to any faction.)
We're left with seven players (Would it be possible to get us an updated player list in that thread?): Colby11 Meeko Pleonast Chameleon Captain Klutz Swammerdami storyteller0910
Chameleon is confirmed third-player and blocker (right?). Lynching them is a mislynch, pure and simple. No one needs them dead, right?
Everyone else requires some evaluation.
Colby11: claimed protector. Not confirmed, but no counter-claims. I feel likely town at this point.
Meeko: claimed blocker. Not confirmed and counter-claim is from a known third-party. I feel likely town at this point.
storyteller0910: Unknown. There play is pro-town, but that's not really enough to clear anyone at this point. Possibly the godfather.
Captain Klutz: claimed investigator. Not confirmed and counter-claimed by another investigator with unknown alignment. All results are "wrong" and has not investigated anyone we now know was scum. Swammerdami: almost the same as Klutz. Claimed investigator, not confirmed, but counter-claimed by an unknown alignment. No investigations on anyone we now know was scum.
I think one of these two is the most likely spot for the last hostile. Neither one has verified that they even have their claimed power. I'm thinking it's not so likely we have two town investigators. I wish I had a better feel for which one is lying, because guessing wrong prevents me from winning. Based what I know right now, I'd most like to lynch swammerdami, then storyteller, and finally Klutz.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 19, 2014 12:21:26 GMT -5
Not edited to add:
And I'll definitely be using my antivote to prevent the lynch of any of Chameleon, Colby or Meeko. I can't support any intentional mislynches.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 19, 2014 18:06:43 GMT -5
Swammerdami: almost the same as Klutz. Claimed investigator, not confirmed, but counter-claimed by an unknown alignment. No investigations on anyone we now know was scum. I think one of these two is the most likely spot for the last hostile. Neither one has verified that they even have their claimed power. I'm thinking it's not so likely we have two town investigators. I don't remember whether I've played in a game with a Mad Investigator before, but I've read of the concept and IIRC, when the device is used typically there are multiple Investigators of different flavors. In any event, I have confirmed my Power, identifying both Texcat and Paranoid as 3rd Party. (Yes, it may have failed with you ... but I think that's because you're the Godfather. ) My own preference is to Lynch Storyteller sooner rather than later, as he is, to my thinking, the only plausible Godfather other than Pleo. But with everyone Investigated, the Town Investigators have no further utility and I'll happily fall on my sword and vote Swammi toMorrow if that's the consensus. I also worry about risking a 3-person ending of 1 Scum, 1 Town and 1 2rd party. I'd like other experiencd players to confirm Klutz's claim that this will NOT be a Scum win.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 19, 2014 18:07:05 GMT -5
I don't mind being investigated at all, but it's a waste as I posted my entire role PM with no alterations except the address for the private board. I am a bit concerned about being investigated specifically by the Captain since we don't know what kind of result it will give. Anyway, do what you like.
For me, the only player I'm entirely comfortable with as being Town is Meeko.
If Meeko and Colby are alive at the end of the game and the "who everyone needs dead" loop is accurate, then Dizzy and SisC (possibly as Colby was never confirmed as her target) can't win. Both of whom are dead. In some ways I guess that's fair since, again, if it's accurate, all Town can't win. It is also "convenient".
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 19, 2014 22:53:07 GMT -5
I am a bit concerned about being investigated specifically by the Captain since we don't know what kind of result it will give. Maybe the Mod will answer: What result will a Mad Investigator get when he targets a 3rd Party?However, the alternative -- I investigate you and Klutz investigates himself -- makes even less sense. If we don't like the response we get from the Investigation on you, you can just join the queue on the guillotine. I, Story, Klutz and Pleo are all already in line for Lynch; we can squeeze you in between Story and Klutz. And I may insist on Lynching you anyway, Miss Chameleon, since you still haven't answered Dr. Szell's question: Is it safe?
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 20, 2014 0:32:45 GMT -5
And I may insist on Lynching you anyway, Miss Chameleon, since you still haven't answered Dr. Szell's question: Is it safe?Clicking on the above link returns the outcome: "This video contains content from Little Dot Studios, Believe and Zefr, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." And I thought I did answer the question, whether or not it was Dr. Szell's version I do not know
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 20, 2014 0:38:34 GMT -5
Or should I ask, is what safe?
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Feb 20, 2014 3:28:07 GMT -5
Maybe the Mod will answer: What result will a Mad Investigator get when he targets a 3rd Party? Should a non-sane cop exist, the answer varies based on the GM and setup. Presuming that by "mad cop" you mean "always incorrect results" rather than "random results" or "always [x alignment]" results, any of the following are typical: a random result; town-neutral parties will show up as town-hostile and vice versa; or all non-town players show up incorrectly as town. Revealing which is the case could potentially reveal setup information, as could the revelation of whether revealing it would reveal anything.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 20, 2014 5:03:54 GMT -5
And I may insist on Lynching you anyway, Miss Chameleon, since you still haven't answered Dr. Szell's question: Is it safe?Clicking on the above link returns the outcome: "This video contains content from Little Dot Studios, Believe and Zefr, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." And I thought I did answer the question, whether or not it was Dr. Szell's version I do not know I live in Thailand and get webpages blcocked frequently, but not that one. Do you live in a country even less Internet-friendly than mine? Anyway, the line is from Marathon Man, a very good movie I have in .flv format and will e-mail you if you wish. Laurence Olivier plays Dr. Szell, a dentist who asks te question when he's about to operate on the hero, played by Dustin Huffman. Dr. Szell doesn't use novocaine. Anyway, it was just supposed to be a joke. ... I'm not even a dentist. ... In other news, F&G confirms that if you're 3rd-Party, you'll appear to Klutz as either Town or Scum or 3rd Party or something else. Klutz: Maybe you should just go ahead and Investigate yourself!
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 20, 2014 6:00:14 GMT -5
I'm in Canada - sometimes videos don't work but they usually do. Oh well, I can find it pretty easily to watch and perhaps I will - it's not something I considered before but now I'm interested Klutz can tell us anything he wants if he investigates himself. Actually killing him should tell us what kind of cop he is and might be more helpful. Plus it helps someone meet their wincon (sorry, don't remember who). Who, besides Klutz and myself, has not been investigated by you Swammer?
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 20, 2014 6:06:23 GMT -5
If the loopy kill list is accurate, of the players we have left... Colby needs the Captain dead and Story needs Swammer dead. The Captain and Swammer's targets are already dead. Does that sound right?
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 20, 2014 6:54:57 GMT -5
Klutz: Maybe you should just go ahead and Investigate yourself! Investigating myself is pointless. A better investigation would be patricia, as that would immediately tell me what type of cop I am. I have asked FruitAndGarbage if I am allowed to investigate dead players, until then I am still investigating Chameleon.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 20, 2014 10:36:23 GMT -5
I don't remember whether I've played in a game with a Mad Investigator before, but I've read of the concept and IIRC, when the device is used typically there are multiple Investigators of different flavors. In any event, I have confirmed my Power, identifying both Texcat and Paranoid as 3rd Party. (Yes, it may have failed with you ... but I think that's because you're the Godfather. ) My own preference is to Lynch Storyteller sooner rather than later, as he is, to my thinking, the only plausible Godfather other than Pleo. But with everyone Investigated, the Town Investigators have no further utility and I'll happily fall on my sword and vote Swammi toMorrow if that's the consensus. I also worry about risking a 3-person ending of 1 Scum, 1 Town and 1 2rd party. I'd like other experiencd players to confirm Klutz's claim that this will NOT be a Scum win. But Klutz's claimed power is not consistent with being a messed-up investigator. You said their claim matched yours--how can it be possible that two different powers have the same description? Weren't your investigation results posted after the third parties had already claimed? That means your results don't confirm your power. It depends on what exactly the scum victory condition is. Most games require scum to have equal or greater numbers than all non-scum, plus all win-stealers dead. That is why lynching third parties is a mislynch--whether win-stealer or not, lynching them helps scum. Of course there's not much choice with respect to win-stealers. I have seen a game or two where a non-win-stealing third party is not counted towards what scum need to eliminate. But those typically have only one player like that. With three players in a third party, I think it's like scum have to count them against their victory condition.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 20, 2014 14:35:51 GMT -5
But Klutz's claimed power is not consistent with being a messed-up investigator. You said their claim matched yours--how can it be possible that two different powers have the same description? The whole idea of such "flavored" Investigators is that they must deduce what their flavor is. Does it make any sense that Mod would tell Investigator, in role PM, reverse "scum" and "town" in the results I send? Weren't your investigation results posted after the third parties had already claimed? That means your results don't confirm your power. Skimming is a scum tell. I've previously pointed to the "breadcrumbs".
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 20, 2014 17:42:41 GMT -5
But Klutz's claimed power is not consistent with being a messed-up investigator. You said their claim matched yours--how can it be possible that two different powers have the same description? The whole idea of such "flavored" Investigators is that they must deduce what their flavor is. Does it make any sense that Mod would tell Investigator, in role PM, reverse "scum" and "town" in the results I send? Does it make any sense for the moderator to give false information in a role PM? I won't believe it unless the game has been announced as gastard, or some similar warning. Weren't your investigation results posted after the third parties had already claimed? That means your results don't confirm your power. Skimming is a scum tell. I've previously pointed to the "breadcrumbs". I'm not generally impressed by breadcrumbs.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 20, 2014 17:56:19 GMT -5
But Klutz's claimed power is not consistent with being a messed-up investigator. You said their claim matched yours--how can it be possible that two different powers have the same description? The relevant section is: Note that it says that I will receive information about that player's alignment. It doesn't say that I will learn their alignment, just receive information about it. So this phrasing applies equally well to sane and insane cops.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Feb 20, 2014 18:01:17 GMT -5
I'm not generally impressed by breadcrumbs. That's odd. In "mafia: the mob is recruiting", on the dope, you used a breadcrumb to confirm (or at least support) your role claim.
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Post by swammerdami on Feb 21, 2014 0:23:06 GMT -5
I'm not generally impressed by breadcrumbs. "Breadcrumbs" are either probative or they're not. That you instead refer to unclear "general impressions" confirms, in my mind, that your posts are the futile plaints of a Scum awaiting doom.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 21, 2014 10:31:47 GMT -5
Shouldn't it be the next Day already? I'm not generally impressed by breadcrumbs. That's odd. In "mafia: the mob is recruiting", on the dope, you used a breadcrumb to confirm (or at least support) your role claim. That was early in mafia career; I've gotten better. I'm not generally impressed by breadcrumbs. "Breadcrumbs" are either probative or they're not. That you instead refer to unclear "general impressions" confirms, in my mind, that your posts are the futile plaints of a Scum awaiting doom. I've already stated my opinion of your claims. That you keep complaining about it increases my confidence that you're desperate to avoid suspicion.
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