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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 5, 2007 6:57:13 GMT -5
PAGE SEVEN VOTE COUNT
Pleonast (9) - zuma v. 2.0, sinjin, Roosh, Santo Rugger, drainbead, CatinaSuit v. 2.0, kassia, Kat, Captain Klutz Death by Irony (2) - atarus, CometotheDarksideWeHaveCookies sinjin (2) - Zeriel, NAF1138 kassia (1) - Pleonast Zeriel (1) - Parzival
15 votes have been cast. The Day will end in approximately 10 hours, at 5:00PM EST on Wednesday, December 5 (unless someone reaches 10 votes before this time, of course - Diomedes is, in fact, dead, so there are only 19 extant players. I'll fix the list).
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 5, 2007 8:32:43 GMT -5
I sort of understand DBI's double standard, in that it's useful to try to figure out the killing factions but not really the specific motive, for example. Good: "Well, because of death color, Player X was likely killed by the scum and not a vig or something." Bad: "We need to figure out what Player X did to make the scum want to kill him."
Reading minds is a pointless exercise, but figuring out which factions are out there in a closed game isn't necessarily so.
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 5, 2007 9:06:59 GMT -5
Man, things got interesting overnight. First non-scum game? Lovely. Guess my vote is in the right place.
That having been said, I'm WIFOMing about what it means. My first thought was that Pleonast made a slip and that means that SR is semi-confirmed (I say semi because he could be a SK or something). My second thought is that SR is a fellow scumbot, and Pleonast is trying to make people think he's confirmed once he dies, since he knows he won't live through the Day. Bah.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 9:44:43 GMT -5
Man, things got interesting overnight. First non-scum game? Lovely. Guess my vote is in the right place. That having been said, I'm WIFOMing about what it means. My first thought was that Pleonast made a slip and that means that SR is semi-confirmed (I say semi because he could be a SK or something). My second thought is that SR is a fellow scumbot, and Pleonast is trying to make people think he's confirmed once he dies, since he knows he won't live through the Day. Bah. WiFoM at it's best. My first thought was that he was trying to drag me down with him, by making people think I was his fellow scumbot. Dotchan, think I can borrow a couple Advil?
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 5, 2007 9:56:45 GMT -5
I sort of understand DBI's double standard, in that it's useful to try to figure out the killing factions but not really the specific motive, for example. Good: "Well, because of death color, Player X was likely killed by the scum and not a vig or something." Bad: "We need to figure out what Player X did to make the scum want to kill him." Reading minds is a pointless exercise, but figuring out which factions are out there in a closed game isn't necessarily so. You've explained things better than I can (I must have some sort of talent of not coming across clearly enough to people). Speaking of which, I've been butting heads with Roosh over the past few Days now, and while I have no issue with him finding me suspicious, it's the way he's been doing it this time--quoting me horribly, horribly out of context and reading motivations into my statements that aren't there--that makes him my current #1 suspect, so I'm going to vote Roosh.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 10:03:49 GMT -5
You've explained things better than I can <snip> It makes a lot more sense to me, too. I read your original FoS as, "Dude, don't speculate about what happened last night," while I now understand you were saying something more along the lines of, "Dude, if you try and figure out why who was killed last night, either you a) already know, or b) are trying to make me bust out the IBs (ibuprofen). I still have some pings, but that may just be your style, Mrs. Irony.
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Post by Tragic on Dec 5, 2007 10:21:37 GMT -5
As far as I can tell.. either Pleo is careless in the thoroughness of his analysis and posts or else he's acting careless for a reason. I have read into as many posts as I could this afternoon (work is kicking my ass) and have built on my original assessment of the situation from before. I FoSed Pleo on Day Two because of his shotty analysis work. Since then I've been on a roller coaster ride of where he stands with me. I'm not ready to join any kind of bandwagon but given what we have for content over the last Day I'm feeling left with little else to do.
Are things going wrong for us because of poor strategy? Or are we looking in the wrong place? Are there too many lurkers and sheep? I don't know. I can't pinpoint one thing that makes me feel uncomfortable voting Pleo because it seems to just be a slew of them. And on the flipside there's another stack of reasons why I should be voting him.
Then there's zeriel, someone else who I've been paying attention to and who has had some attention shed his (got it right this time!) way for the lynching. Looking at the rest of the suspects (Death by Irony, sinjin, kassia) none of them stand out to me as 'ZOMG SCUUUMTELL!'. and then there's roosh. Roosh who I can't seem to ever get a solid read on, who is always over the top in his intentions. And always stands out during a game. But there seem to have been several cases made against him too.
So it comes down to the 4 I suspect most: Pleo, zeriel, sinjin, roosh.
As I said yesterday I was going to take the time to look over things. When I posted that it seemed to go past someone's notice (Pleoast) and he called me out later on being sheepy. I'm sorry if I want to be thorough about this decision since we've only lost townies so far! I also understand that you want more people to post and more people to vote early and often. For me I try to vote once and maybe it's a bad habit in terms of these games but I don't vote and then change my vote continuously to serve my needs.
Gah.. I want to vote Pleo because I'm annoyed with him on a personal level, tired of the shotty analysis work, and can see all the other points line up against him. Yet I know that the driving factor in that vote would be personal. I don't do that...
zeriel
I'll admit that part of this has to do with what the vote list looks like. I'm not sold on Pleo being scum so I'm not going to go that way and potential lynch someone I don't believe 100% in. In turn I'm not going to vote for kassia or sinjin because they both have votes from 2 people I have on my suspect list. (That same reasoning extends to Pleo too). While there may be reason for the flighty behavior toDay it's still really hard to simply ignore. I don't think you're in danger of going zeriel. It's my serious version of a FoS.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 5, 2007 11:50:48 GMT -5
PAGE SEVEN VOTE COUNT, TAKE TWO
Pleonast (9) - zuma v. 2.0, sinjin, Roosh, Santo Rugger, drainbead, CatinaSuit v. 2.0, kassia, Kat, Captain Klutz Death by Irony (2) - atarus, CometotheDarksideWeHaveCookies sinjin (2) - Zeriel, NAF1138 Zeriel (2) - Parzival, Tragic kassia (1) - Pleonast
16 votes have been cast. The Day will end in approximately 5 hours, at 5:00PM EST today.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 11:54:20 GMT -5
Yo,
6. diggitcamara 8. episodeofblonde
What gives? No voteage?
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 5, 2007 12:05:19 GMT -5
I must say, every time I see someone say something about DBI it gives me a bit of a heart attack until I read the I on the end.
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Post by diggitcamara on Dec 5, 2007 12:05:48 GMT -5
Yo, 6. diggitcamara 8. episodeofblonde What gives? No voteage? Sorry about that. I got distracted by work (first time using a relatively complex tool, without any significant help by co-workers and with not-too-good documentation). I'll still, single-mindedly, vote for Pleonast. His comment on your "first non-scum" game reeks of "perfect information"...
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 5, 2007 12:05:51 GMT -5
Also, I keep forgetting diggit is in this game. He's not normally this much of a lurker, is he?
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 5, 2007 12:06:13 GMT -5
Hah, simulpost.
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Post by episodeofblonde on Dec 5, 2007 12:16:31 GMT -5
I sort of understand DBI's double standard, in that it's useful to try to figure out the killing factions but not really the specific motive, for example. Good: "Well, because of death color, Player X was likely killed by the scum and not a vig or something." Bad: "We need to figure out what Player X did to make the scum want to kill him." Reading minds is a pointless exercise, but figuring out which factions are out there in a closed game isn't necessarily so. Yes, indeed. That actually makes a lot of sense. I am sorry that I haven't voted yet. I simply haven't had time to re-read in order to back up my earlier vote for zeriel, who I am still quite suspicious of - I will be ready to look more closely there toMorrow. I am not going to vote for Pleo - I really do wonder if something makes him want to get lynched. But that looks like where we're headed. For now I am going to go on the record and vote Roosh, he's been all over the place today and his spat with sinjin in particular I thought was very strange and weak.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 12:22:12 GMT -5
I must say, every time I see someone say something about DBI it gives me a bit of a heart attack until I read the I on the end. DB I
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Post by Parzival on Dec 5, 2007 12:39:13 GMT -5
Am I wrong, or did diggitcamara's vote end the Day?
There can't be a Stay now since we're too close to the end, and according to the rules "voting is frozen" once a majority is reached. Does that mean a majority vote cast in the last 18 hours of the Day is an instant lynch? Storyteller's last vote count post seems to imply that.
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Post by Parzival on Dec 5, 2007 12:41:39 GMT -5
NETA : The second most recent post count, I mean. 3.180 at the top of the page.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 12:50:43 GMT -5
"If at any time a true majority of votes are placed on a single candidate, voting is immediately frozen at that point. The Governor will then have six real-life hours to decide whether or not to proceed immediately to a lynching, or to allow an 18-hour Stay of Execution during which further discussion, voting, and unvoting may occur. The Governor may declare only one such Stay per game Day. Under no circumstances may a Stay extend a Day beyond its natural limit."
So, votes are frozen as of now. I see no reason to keep the votes frozen, stopping people from switching their votes at this time, so I'd like to grant a stay for that purpose. However, as per usual, I won't be very happy with a mass vote swing in the last few hours of the Day.
It's only an instant lynch if the Guv doesn't stop it within 6 hours. If a stay is granted, 18 hours are available to end the majority via unvotes.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 5, 2007 12:56:43 GMT -5
Does the stay even really matter at this point? I guess it allows for episodeofblonde to get her vote in for the official record, but the stay can't extend the Day itself so even if you didn't grant the stay we're still ending at 5 PM EST. At least, that's the way I interpret it.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 13:02:29 GMT -5
You're right, it doesn't, but a) I get to use my "power" (!) and b) there may be a scum or two out there so devastated by Pleo's loss that they're going to turn themselves in in the next 4 hours. Here's to hoping!
Although, part of me does want to hear what story has to say about Pleo ASAP.
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Post by kassia on Dec 5, 2007 13:04:36 GMT -5
I believe it's Death by Irony that hasn't voted yet. episodeofblonde voted for Roosh in 3.193
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Post by Parzival on Dec 5, 2007 13:04:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I was kind of hoping. I might miss the end of the Day if it's at the normal time (although I'll probably be able to check in tonight or tomorrow, so I'm just being impatient.)
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Post by kassia on Dec 5, 2007 13:05:49 GMT -5
ugh...nevermind, I figured out what you were saying, atarus.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 5, 2007 13:07:18 GMT -5
PAGE SEVEN VOTE COUNT - MAJORITY EDITION
Pleonast (10) - zuma v. 2.0, sinjin, Roosh, Santo Rugger, drainbead, CatinaSuit v. 2.0, kassia, Kat, Captain Klutz, diggitcamara Death by Irony (2) - atarus, CometotheDarksideWeHaveCookies sinjin (2) - Zeriel, NAF1138 Zeriel (2) - Parzival, Tragic Roosh (2) - episodeofblonde, Death by Irony kassia (1) - Pleonast
19 votes have been cast. Per the rules of the game, voting was frozen for about twenty seconds. However, as Governor Rugger has issued a stay of execution, we will continue until the deadline, which is technically 5:00PM today.
However...
It is my intention to leave work a bit early today - I have a four-day weekend coming up (not going anywhere at all, just spending four days sleeping in and playing Rock Band with my wife, so I'll be around to moderate). Accordingly, it would be my very strong preference, if it does not appear that anything has changed, to end the day a bit earlier than 5:00 - say, 3:30 or so, in the absence of additional vote changes or discussion?
Objections?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 5, 2007 13:15:23 GMT -5
Sounds like a good compromise to me.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 5, 2007 13:17:53 GMT -5
Sounds fair enough to me.
*Note for storyteller: I think the last vote count is a bit wonky. I believe episodeofblonde and Death By Irony both voted for Roosh, not the other way around.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 5, 2007 13:20:57 GMT -5
Jeez, sorry about that. Vote count corrected.
So there it is. Day will end in 2 hours, unless something incredibly dramatic occurs before then.
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Post by Pleonast on Dec 5, 2007 14:29:12 GMT -5
*** plays soulful tune on Dio's harmonica ***
I haven't caught up on posts, and my last post was intended to be my final post, so I won't make further comments. Just reread my posts more objectively once I'm dead, okay?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 5, 2007 14:31:31 GMT -5
One hour, folks. Any remaining comments, get 'em in soon.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 5, 2007 15:14:00 GMT -5
Dusk post is written. Should I bother waiting fifteen more minutes to post it?
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