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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 10, 2007 20:50:32 GMT -5
5. Death by Irony 6. diggitcamara 9. kassia 10. Kat v. 2.0 (Yattara) 17. Tragic (hazelnutcoffee)
What gives??
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 10, 2007 21:48:20 GMT -5
Pygmy rugger - I work (Monday, Wednesday, Saturday from 4pm to 9pm) and I also have projects to finish. As much as I love Mafia, passing school is kind of more important. Anyway, now that I've had some time to sit down and read through the threads more thoroughly, vote drain bead. Of her posts, the ones that ping my scumdar are her vote for Pleonast and the "should I roleclaim?" question.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 10, 2007 21:52:46 GMT -5
Ok, I re-read drainbead's posts twice and toDay's posts again as well and I'm not finding a pattern. Just maybe a bit too much interaction with zeriel on day one, but then I'm reading with a jaundiced eye. I agree with her half the time and go wtf the other half. Just about my average for everyone. So I'm not going to change my vote to her unless something more concrete comes up.
I would also encourage everyone to do their own investigations of people and not merely rely on the edited transcripts of others. When I post an analysis of someone I'm suspicious of it is to record my thoughts and reasons for voting. It's a record of my accountability.
And all you lurkers, unlurk god-damn it.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 10, 2007 22:58:44 GMT -5
Pygmy rugger - I work (Monday, Wednesday, Saturday from 4pm to 9pm) and I also have projects to finish. As much as I love Mafia, passing school is kind of more important. Anyway, now that I've had some time to sit down and read through the threads more thoroughly, vote drain bead. Of her posts, the ones that ping my scumdar are her vote for Pleonast and the "should I roleclaim?" question. What are you linking to there DBI?
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Post by Gir! on Dec 10, 2007 23:02:44 GMT -5
Vote Captain Klutz
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Post by kassia on Dec 11, 2007 0:39:24 GMT -5
I've read through all of zeriel and drainbead's posts. I agree with many others that drainbead's offering her role claim like a dangling carrot in front of us is odd and unusually timed, but i didn't find much else to convince me that she is worth my vote right now.
I've looked at all of zeriel's posts, as well as the careful analyses other players have done and I'm going to vote zeriel - I agree that his voting has been erratic and unexplained, as have his opinions on other players.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 11, 2007 0:53:19 GMT -5
Unofficial vote count
zeriel (6) - sinjin, Roosh, atarus, Parzival, Santo Rugger, kassia drainbead (3) - CatinaSuit v. 2.0, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, DeathByIrony kassia (2) - drainbead, Captain Klutz Captain Klutz (2) - episodeofblonde, Kat v 2.0 Roosh (1) - zuma v. 2.0 sinjin (1) - zeriel
diggitcamara, tragic - get in here and vote please.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 11, 2007 2:16:07 GMT -5
I'm going to vote Captain Klutz. This is mostly a gut thing, and I know it's Day Four, but Captain Klutz was pinging me like crazy Day One, and now, after we have had NAF and Pleo's roleclaims (and demises ) it seems to me like Klutz was suspiciously accurate and fishing for people with info about the replicants. his above pondering about the detailed mechanics of the game re: kassia also seems, well, odd. episodeofblonde, Can you throw some cites and reasoning behind your vote for Captain Klutz. You say it is gut instinct, but mention some specific things after it. Please can you clarify for the benefit of the town thanks.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 11, 2007 2:24:40 GMT -5
drainbead, Captain Klutz,
Given what has been discussed about Pleonast's breadcrumbs and kassia's comment, what are your thoughts on voting for her?
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 11, 2007 4:49:09 GMT -5
CatinaSuit, I'm going to address your idea that if Pleonast investigated the Nexus-9, it would activate. I firmly believe that is NOT the case. From being a cop in the last game, all the "color" I got usually involved me going through people's stuff or getting info from a snitch or something. If you want to go by color, often times investigators don't "come in contact" with the people they're investigating. I am in the camp that the Nexus-9 is inactive during the Day and active during the Night. Based on my role PM, that's what I believe is the case. However, I did say it was open to interpretation that the Nexus-9 is inactive, and chooses to activate at some point, and then becomes active for the remainder of the game. It's plausible, but not what I personally believe. Again, I definitely think those two possibilities are the ONLY possibilities. I don't think Pleonast would have activated the Nexus-9 by investigating it. Atarus, would you please clarify this with storyteller? It seems a bit dangerous to draw conclusions when the 2 interpretations give differing periods of "activation".
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 11, 2007 5:05:36 GMT -5
drainbead, Captain Klutz, Given what has been discussed about Pleonast's breadcrumbs and kassia's comment, what are your thoughts on voting for her? I still like my kassia vote, but since no-one agrees with me I'll be switching to my other main suspect, zeriel. I'll do that in a separate post.
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Post by Tragic on Dec 11, 2007 5:24:22 GMT -5
Acknowledging that I'm back from my long weekend's LOA. Reviewing the discussion while I was gone and then will post my own analysis and vote ASAP. Thanks everyone for being patient with me <3
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 11, 2007 5:47:53 GMT -5
I have been looking at the Day 1 voting. The action (or lack of action) on zeriel's votes is most interesting.
Here is the final Day 1 vote count:
zuma1.0 (6) - Cookies, Kat.v1, Yattara(Kat.v2), zeriel, Death by Irony, Sinjin Pleonast (5) - kassia, Rugger, diggitcamara, Roosh, Diomedes CatinaSuit.v1 (4) - NAF1138, drainbead, hockey, episodeofblonde zeriel (3) - CatinaSuit.v1, mhaye, Klutz Kat.v1 (2) - Pleonast, Parzival NAF1138 (1) - Hal Briston(Cat.v2) mhaye (1) - atarus kassia (1) - zuma.v1 Non-Voters: BlasterMaster (Zuma2.0), HazelNutCoffee (Tragic)
First off, note that zeriel's voters were all town (most of you don't actually know this, but for now, assume that I am town).
Now, there were 5 people who reached 3 or more votes: zuma1.0 Pleonast CatinaSuit.v1 zeriel NAF1138
6 votes was enough to lynch zuma.v1, and no-one ever had more than 6 votes, so these 5 people were all in the running to be lynched.
We now know that 4 of these people were town. The only unknown is zeriel. I find it extremely interesting that no scum ever voted for zeriel. I mean, all the vote leaders were town, so scum should have been happy to vote anywhere.
But none voted for zeriel.
(As an aside, Rugger is not 100% confirmed and he did vote/unvote zeriel, but it does not affect this argument).
When zeriel first reached 3 votes, the tally was Pleo 4, NAF 3, zeriel 3, so zeriel was certainly in the running.
Later Rugger switched from zeriel to Pleo, and the next vote was when I voted for zeriel, making the tally Pleo 3, NAF 4, zuma 5, zeriel 3.
Then there was lots of activity with no clear favourite. With only 6 hours to go, the tally was zuma 4, Pleo 4, NAF 2, Cat.v1 3, zeriel 3, so it was still wide open. Then the last few votes came in and zuma was lynched.
But through all this, scum never threw a vote to zeriel.
The obvious conclusion is that scum did not want to risk voting for a fellow scum, when that vote can make a real difference.
Unvote kassia Vote zeriel
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Post by Tragic on Dec 11, 2007 7:14:15 GMT -5
(drainbead, D4.35) I know I was gone for a better part of this day.. ok.. to be fair.. all of the Day.. but I'm catching up now and outlining my reasons against my (at present) top 2 suspicions: zeriel and kassia. Outlining my suspicions: * Pleo's crumbs pointing twoards kassia (to be fair on the flip side of this I had a hard time listening to Pleo's analysis in the begining, D2, because I thought he did a poor analysis job, yet in retrospect I'm not so sure of that anymore, maybe itw as just a bad presentation of it) * kassia's voting record (D4.35) * kassia's knowledge of night actions as presented by Klutz (D4. 68) * zeriel's sudden change of votes back to his mechanical voting pattern (D4.65) * sinjin's highlighting of zeriel's "pattern of willfull non-accountability and inconsistancy in voting" (D4.91) * Cookies continually defends kassia and I hate to be a brat but I hardly count these posts as proof of her innocence since they are naturally bias in nature. Just wanted to state why I 'ignored' these posts in my analysis (sorry, you can smack me if you're right, but I wouldn't let my IRLfriend do my dirty work for me, kinda stinks....) * roosh makes a very strong post against zeriel (D4.107) * best question yet: where is kassia and why are other people standing up for her? Why isn't she the one argueing against the evidence and theories? I know there's been a lot of attempts and discussion about getting inside Pleo's head during D4 but I think the most obvious breadcrumbs and opinions that Pleo left us as the Colony was the continued votes against kassia. I'm more willing to look directly at the straight evidence that I could pull from Pleo posts and Pleo votes and use that as the only kind Vanilla thinking possible. I was skeptical of his theories and plans before but at least I know that he was Vanilla Townie and using that.. and what he'd posted.. and who he'd voted for.. as a foundation for my analysis and actions.. Vote kassia. And I'd be lying if I said some of the reason wasn't simply gut intuition. Taking care of other things I saw throughout the Day: Also.. atarus.. you mentioned that I voted for Pleo.. I'm guessing you meant Day 3 (if I'm wrong about the day, please correct me, becaues right now I'm hugely confused). On D3 I only voted one and it was for zeriel. I never voted for Pleo.. at all.. (re: D4.134). Sorry.. I'm a bit nitpicky when it comes to my game (rugger, D4.150) Darling - next time please check the LOA thread. I had company visiting me. I didn;t have any tim to check the board and if I had there wouldn't have been enough to make an educated vote (which is how I roll).
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 11, 2007 7:36:23 GMT -5
My only thought on the kassia vote is that if I were a cop and I was voting for someone, I would investigate them as well. Especially if I were a cop who couldn't claim and could vig. The fact that he continued that vote, and pointed back to posts that tried to justify it, makes me think that it was the breadcrumb he was going for there. He breadcrumbed SR in another way, and those were the two that he had the chance to do, IMO.
As for my roleclaim, at the time I was leading in the polls and it seemed like the wagon was taking off. I knew I was going to be busy IRL on Monday and Tuesday, so why not have it ready to post quickly just in case I needed to?
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Post by episodeofblonde on Dec 11, 2007 7:53:46 GMT -5
I'm going to vote Captain Klutz. This is mostly a gut thing, and I know it's Day Four, but Captain Klutz was pinging me like crazy Day One, and now, after we have had NAF and Pleo's roleclaims (and demises ) it seems to me like Klutz was suspiciously accurate and fishing for people with info about the replicants. his above pondering about the detailed mechanics of the game re: kassia also seems, well, odd. episodeofblonde, Can you throw some cites and reasoning behind your vote for Captain Klutz. You say it is gut instinct, but mention some specific things after it. Please can you clarify for the benefit of the town thanks. OK, I don't know how to link to posts, I'm afraid, but here is a list of the posts on my re-read which bothered me about Klutz. His talk about the 'rogue replicants' on Day One (which I know is the colour used, but I still think he has focused on it and on the colour text in general, too much) and his interest in starting discussion about the potential scum roles reads like scummy fishing to me. His interaction with kassia is directly above the post you quoted, but I have cited in this list below the post which pinged me the most: Day 1: 247, 251, 283 Day 3: 26 Day 4: 19, 68 I know it is a bit of a circumstantial case, but something just seems off about him in these posts. I am not unhappy to see that zeriel is currently in the lead as he is probably my number 2 suspect right now. I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate much today, bloody conference paper is kicking my ass
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2007 8:36:19 GMT -5
DAY FOUR VOTE COUNT (PAGE SIX)
zeriel (7) - sinjin, Roosh, atarus, Parzival, Santo Rugger, kassia, Captain Klutz drainbead (3) - CatinaSuit v. 2.0, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Death by Irony kassia (2) - drainbead, Tragic Captain Klutz (2) - episodeofblonde, Kat v. 2.0 Roosh (1) - zuma v. 2.0 sinjin (1) - zeriel
16 votes have been cast, with 17 players remaining alive; the Day will end in approximately 8 hours and 30 minutes, at 5:00PM EST today, unless someone reaches 9 votes prior that time.
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Post by kassia on Dec 11, 2007 11:29:32 GMT -5
From Tragic's post 4.163 Darling Tragic, please check the LOA thread yourself. I was just as busy as you this weekend. If you can use this excuse for your absence from the boards, then so can I. And I, unlike many of the players here, don't sit in front of a computer all day long. I have a few brief opportunities to check the boards throughout the day - and it's usually only for a few minutes at a time. This is not enough time to search for and analyze posts, create a compelling defensive argument and post it to the boards - and then respond to anyone who has questions or concerns. I tried, when I had time last week, to post some of my dissection of Pleo's posts to defend myself. I have not asked anyone to defend me, nor expected anyone to. And lastly, This makes no sense whatsoever. Pleo was not Vanilla Townie. His plan/strategy was in no way the plan of a vanilla townie. From what we know, he was one of the most powerful roles of the game - and he would have played every move with that in mind. You need to re-analyze his posts and votes with his role in mind - and you may come to a different conclusion.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 11, 2007 11:34:26 GMT -5
Also.. atarus.. you mentioned that I voted for Pleo.. I'm guessing you meant Day 3 (if I'm wrong about the day, please correct me, becaues right now I'm hugely confused). On D3 I only voted one and it was for zeriel. I never voted for Pleo.. at all.. (re: D4.134). Sorry.. I'm a bit nitpicky when it comes to my game Right. I said in my post that you hadn't voted for Pleonast. The way I see it, there were 10 unknowns voting for Pleonast, and 6 unknowns not voting for Pleonast. It's safe to say there would be at least 1 scum in each group, so I went with the smaller group for my analysis. Atarus, would you please clarify this with storyteller? It seems a bit dangerous to draw conclusions when the 2 interpretations give differing periods of "activation". Fine fine. Kids these days, always need there goshdarn clarification and grumble grumble grumble... ;D In all seriousness, I don't expect to get any more clarification than you guys did when you asked him in the thread, but I'll see. One thing, though, that I'd like to point out to people voting Capt. Klutz at the moment, is that he's been really dogging about the clarification and possibilities of the Nexus-9, while most everybody else has dropped it. To me, the fact that Klutz is still trying to figure out the exact role of the Nexus-9 sheds a bit more towny light on him than scummy, for the fact that I assume the scum already know what the Nexus-9's capabilities are, and they're more likely to just skirt over the issue.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 11, 2007 11:49:55 GMT -5
Well this is boring. So since no one's posting I guess I'll just tidy up a bit. Tragic speaking about Pleo in the middle of post 4.163 : Um, Tragic, Pleo was our blade-runner. About as far from a Vanilla Townie as you can get. episodeofblonde I know there's another way to auto-magically link to posts but everytime I try to do it that way my browser crashes. So I do it with brute force by right clicking on the Link to Post button at the bottem of the post I want to link to, then select copy link address. I then paste that into my message and surround it with tags as below: url=http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=gameplay&action=display&thread=1196986963&page=6#1197375255]post no.[/url] I broke the link up above by omitting the [ before the url= http:.....
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Post by sinjin on Dec 11, 2007 11:52:38 GMT -5
And that's what I get for playing so long at coding stuff.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2007 11:58:16 GMT -5
Er... no vote changes since the last vote count. Five hours remain.
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Post by Tragic on Dec 11, 2007 11:58:51 GMT -5
Ack! kassia, so sorry about that.. it was an: open mouth, insert foot and swallow moment. I deserve any smacking you deign to give me. *hangs head in shame*
Also sorry about referring to Pleo as a Vanilla Townie *sighs* In Day 2 I was referring to the Scum as Spies and when I wrote my previous post I had Pleo listed as a Cit (those are terms from another game I just finished up) and when I was proof reading I noticed the term and swapped it. I know that not acknowelding Pleo's role is a big thing because it plays a massive role here and again you are free to smack me..
*wracks up a lot of abuse points with kassia*
Atarus: Thanks for clarifying, it confused me, lol.
Keep in mind I just read 4.5 pages of content in a few hours while I was catching up with work. Lame excuse, I know, but it's the best explination I can give for the need of clarification.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 11, 2007 12:10:47 GMT -5
I'm fine with a zeriel lynch, but would rather keep my vote where it is, as I think drain is the scummiest of the two.
[Mod harassment]Story: Can you please include a count of living players in your votecounts? Like, "16 of 18 votes have been cast", that or keep the player list thread updated (which still lists Pleo in a list of 19 living players).[/Mod harassment]
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 11, 2007 12:12:21 GMT -5
I am not unhappy to see that zeriel is currently in the lead as he is probably my number 2 suspect right now. What's with the Litotes?? I haven't seen that since high school Latin Class. But still... literary brownie points to you for using that device. Anyways, so uh.... Isn't there going to be a defense mounted at some point? Or is this it? And Atarus, come on man, Just because someone asks a lot of questions doesn't make them more or less "townie". The part that gets me is that everyone ELSE has stopped asking questions, but not him. This makes me think people understand the issue, so why's he harping on it. The Questions themselves don't show intent, dude; they just show what the asker wants to show the rest of us, by asking said Qs....
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2007 12:14:09 GMT -5
I'm fine with a zeriel lynch, but would rather keep my vote where it is, as I think drain is the scummiest of the two. [Mod harassment]Story: Can you please include a count of living players in your votecounts? Like, "16 of 18 votes have been cast", that or keep the player list thread updated (which still lists Pleo in a list of 19 living players).[/Mod harassment]Player list and previous vote count both updated.
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 11, 2007 12:20:53 GMT -5
Come on Diggit, at least let your voice be heard! What are your thoughts on this Day?
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 11, 2007 12:27:06 GMT -5
Actually is diggit still active? He's not yet posted ONCE on Day 4.... Does he need a prod?
And also Storyteller you list 5. mhaye - Vanilla Colonist - Killed Night One In your player list. But I have him down as being voted for on Day 2 by atarus. So wasn't mhaye killed Night 2?
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 11, 2007 12:47:11 GMT -5
Atarus, would you please clarify this with storyteller? It seems a bit dangerous to draw conclusions when the 2 interpretations give differing periods of "activation". Fine fine. Kids these days, always need there goshdarn clarification and grumble grumble grumble... ;D In all seriousness, I don't expect to get any more clarification than you guys did when you asked him in the thread, but I'll see. One thing, though, that I'd like to point out to people voting Capt. Klutz at the moment, is that he's been really dogging about the clarification and possibilities of the Nexus-9, while most everybody else has dropped it. To me, the fact that Klutz is still trying to figure out the exact role of the Nexus-9 sheds a bit more towny light on him than scummy, for the fact that I assume the scum already know what the Nexus-9's capabilities are, and they're more likely to just skirt over the issue. Quick question for you atarus. Why are you expecting the replicants to know the information that you did? From what you said I would guess the only people who would know about the active/inactive state were you and the original scientists and not the replicants themselves. What do you think?
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 11, 2007 13:22:36 GMT -5
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