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Post by Colby11 on May 17, 2014 10:30:02 GMT -5
As everyone impatiently waited to wake up, one of them was unable to wake up
Crys, Town Watcher, has been killed
Meanwhile, the White Gems all turned into dust.... But nothing happened at all
It is now Day 2. Black and Green Gems have been spotted, but there is a giant troll in the way of the path out of the room.
Lightfoot has been subbed in for Paulwhoisaghost
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Post by Mahaloth on May 17, 2014 15:03:43 GMT -5
I'll take a black gem. I assume the troll is just color and has no impact on the game itself.
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Post by Meeko on May 17, 2014 16:27:14 GMT -5
You have been forced to vote for Crys. If you do not vote for her, or change your vote, you will receive a 1 vote penalty for each infraction. You may share this in the game thread. Vote: CrysSo what do we make of this then?
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Post by Meeko on May 17, 2014 16:32:03 GMT -5
I wonder if Crys didn't have something target them, as to funnel everything to them.
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Post by Mahaloth on May 17, 2014 17:08:41 GMT -5
Meeko, this is a pm you received this morning?
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Post by Meeko on May 17, 2014 18:33:44 GMT -5
Meeko, this is a pm you received this morning? Colby11 Administrator Creator of Hell's Kitchen Mafia Posts: 1,070 [ Exalt | Smite ] Karma: 1 today at 11:31am via mobile Quote You have been forced to vote for Crys. If you do not vote for her, or change your vote, you will receive a 1 vote penalty for each infraction. You may share this in the game thread.
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Post by Meeko on May 17, 2014 18:35:33 GMT -5
I'll take a black gem. I assume the troll is just color and has no impact on the game itself. Then again, as for any game, you could assume that the troll is just the mod, and has all the impact on the game itself.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 18, 2014 2:21:12 GMT -5
You have been forced to vote for Crys. If you do not vote for her, or change your vote, you will receive a 1 vote penalty for each infraction. You may share this in the game thread. Vote: CrysSo what do we make of this then? That is very odd, I wonder if it has anything to do with the gems?
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 18, 2014 8:07:26 GMT -5
I can't see how it makes much of a difference, though usually votes for dead players are not valid. I'm going to be very interested if Meeko's vote shows up on the actual vote count.
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Post by Meeko on May 18, 2014 9:52:18 GMT -5
I can't see how it makes much of a difference, though usually votes for dead players are not valid. I'm going to be very interested if Meeko's vote shows up on the actual vote count. indeed. It would be a much different situation if I had to vote for a living player.
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Post by Meeko on May 18, 2014 9:55:25 GMT -5
Story do you think the reason for my forced vote AND Crys' death come from the same source?
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Post by Mahaloth on May 18, 2014 11:20:57 GMT -5
I wonder if it is possible for scum to have a power that allows them to force someone to place a vote on any player. You would think that it would not include dead players, but perhaps it did not. So, they killed Crys and forced a player to keep a vote on him.
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Post by mary on May 18, 2014 17:17:42 GMT -5
I'm back!
I would guess that someone has a night action where they can force someone to vote for someone else but it's surprising that that is still in effect if the target is dead. It could be a consequence of the gems but I checked and Meeko didn't take a white gem so it would have had to be the gem from yesterday. Unless it wasn't that Meeko took the gem but someone else took the gem and it gave them this power. But then again, it said that the white gems turned to dust so I'm assuming that means they didn't do anything but there's always a chance that it's just that we're supposed to think they didn't do anything and the person/persons affected have been contacted.
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Post by Colby11 on May 18, 2014 17:45:05 GMT -5
Gem count
Black Gem - Mahaloth
Vote count
Crys- Meeko
Day ends on Thursday at 5pm Central Time
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Post by crys on May 18, 2014 19:49:57 GMT -5
Wth... go town!!!
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2014 7:22:00 GMT -5
Fascinating.
There's a couple of inter-related questions here:
1. What the hell would happen if we voted to lynch crys (or any other dead player) toDay? I've never played in a game where such a thing was possible. Would it have any effect at all? Would it be a No Lynch? Obviously we can't do it, because it'd most likely just be a wasted Day, but it's a fun thing to speculate about.
2. What happened here? It seems most likely that the forced vote and the kill came from different individuals (although see below), but it's entirely possible that both came from different members of the same Scum team. But this seems less likely to be, only because why would the Scum demonstrate that they have a force-the-vote power (which we will obviously have to prepare for in future Days) only to waste it on a player they knew would likely be dead? Conclusion: my best guess is that the vote force was from a non-Scum player - but that's just a guess right now. Of course, Meeko could be lying. Let's not lose sight of that, since the vote force was not explicitly shown by the moderator and nothing about what happened here couldn't have been a fakeout.
3. Was this Paul? As a power, it certainly fits his hints about his own abilities - not a power that is especially good for Town to have - but he said he was unlikely to use it, so if he did, that's a problem. Paul, was this you?
But all of this is secondary to searching for Scum. I'm going to go back and look at the voting from yesterDay with the benefit of toDay's knowledge, and suggest that in between talking about gems and powers, we all make sure to make time for that kind of discussion, too.
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Post by Meeko on May 19, 2014 7:49:53 GMT -5
Gem count Black Gem - Mahaloth Vote count Crys- Meeko Day ends on Thursday at 5pm Central Time Storyteller is this not a vote count being shown by a mod? And don't you mean Lightfoot? You aren't skimming are you? - What do you make of the fact that both Crys and I voted for Paul, the first one to vote, now dead, and the second voter voting for the first voter? Seems to compact to me. I drink this wine, and yet still conclude it's to perfect to be planned. ... Put that another way, "you couldn't have done that if you tried!" And "truth is stranger than fiction. I think a non scum force is at work here.
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Post by Meeko on May 19, 2014 8:01:36 GMT -5
I think a non scum force is at work here. I'm not ruling out that scum helped. I'm just saying I don't think scum would do this.... This well, Yes, "scum wouldn't do that." But I mean to say, the scum portion, if any, is irrelevant
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Post by johnnybravo on May 19, 2014 8:37:18 GMT -5
I guess I'll take a black gem again.
I am super confused and way over my head, clearly. One thing that I recall is that certain gems only work with certain players.
I don't think scum forced the vote on Crys. I think somebody who picked up the white gem had a role/gem confluence that allowed them to force a vote, and they just happened to pick the person who got nightkilled. I'm just not seeing why scum would force a vote on a dead player; I'm not seeing the benefit.
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Post by Meeko on May 19, 2014 8:42:15 GMT -5
I guess I'll take a black gem again. I am super confused and way over my head, clearly. One thing that I recall is that certain gems only work with certain players. I don't think scum forced the vote on Crys. I think somebody who picked up the white gem had a role/gem confluence that allowed them to force a vote, and they just happened to pick the person who got nightkilled. I'm just not seeing why scum would force a vote on a dead player; I'm not seeing the benefit. I'll take a BLACK GEM as well. I'm mobile, and the buttons for formatting don't show up. Hopefully the dearest modwill understand.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2014 9:00:56 GMT -5
Meeko, I'm not following you.
1. Obviously you're not lying about being able to vote for a dead player. However, there's no 100% certain confirmation that you have been forced to do so. I consider it relatively unlikely that you're making this up, actually, but it cannot be ruled out.
2. I did not mean Lightfoot in any of my references. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
3. We seem to have reached similar conclusions - that (assuming you are telling the truth) it is possible that Scum were involved in your vote-forcing but rather more likely not.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 19, 2014 10:40:07 GMT -5
I guess I'll take a black gem again. I am super confused and way over my head, clearly. One thing that I recall is that certain gems only work with certain players. I don't think scum forced the vote on Crys. I think somebody who picked up the white gem had a role/gem confluence that allowed them to force a vote, and they just happened to pick the person who got nightkilled. I'm just not seeing why scum would force a vote on a dead player; I'm not seeing the benefit. I agree with you here, I know scum can and will do anything but there is usually something in for them, I don't see any scum motivation here unless it was to make Meekos' vote not count but it still doesn't add up. If scum were going to do it wouldn't it be better for them to put the forced vote on a player that they want lynched rather than a dead player. I think it has to be either a gem or a Town player that did it, unless I am missing something. I don't see any motivation for Meeko lying about it either, it doesn't help him in any way that I can see.
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Post by Chameleon on May 19, 2014 10:42:42 GMT -5
Story - Paul quit this game and Lightfoot subbed in for him. It's in the opening post for Day 2.
I think it's a shame Paul felt the need to leave. I don't know anything about the circumstances but I always find it unfortunate when things can't be resolved, especially among such a great group of people.
The Crys vote seems too pointless to make up so I believe Meeko. Question is was it a power or a gem, or something else? I'm going with the idea that perhaps it was Lightfoot's (aka Paul's) not-so-good-for-Town ability. Perhaps Lightfoot could shed some light (ha) on the situation? We already know her character has some kind of ability, and it doesn't really make her a target since the ability doesn't do Town any good (and seems like it might help Scum). This is also assuming she's not Scum, which would alter the perspective. But of course she knows best what to reveal, or not.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 19, 2014 12:31:54 GMT -5
Fascinating. 3. Was this Paul? As a power, it certainly fits his hints about his own abilities - not a power that is especially good for Town to have - but he said he was unlikely to use it, so if he did, that's a problem. Paul, was this you? It took me a few minutes to figure out why Meeko said Story was skimming, but it's an easy enough mistake with Lightfoot being subbed in for Paul. So Paul said he was unlikely to use his power, but since Lightfoot is now "Paul" it's not really that concerning. Maybe she saw a reason to use the power. Maybe Paul/Lightfoot's ability is to force a vote from one player. Interesting ability whether it was Paul/Lightfoot, or a gem ability or a scum ability. Before thinking about Paul having that ability, I was leading with the idea that Crys touched the White Gem, and maybe one of the players that touched the white gem got an automatic vote on them the next day. IDK, I'm grasping at straws as to how it could have worked. No one gave any confirmation that the Green/Black gem did anything either, so did they do nothing? Did they do something for one person that got them, and those people haven't spoken up?
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Post by Meeko on May 19, 2014 12:54:55 GMT -5
Meeko, I'm not following you. 1. Obviously you're not lying about being able to vote for a dead player. However, there's no 100% certain confirmation that you have been forced to do so. I consider it relatively unlikely that you're making this up, actually, but it cannot be ruled out. 2. I did not mean Lightfoot in any of my references. I'm not sure what you mean by that. 3. We seem to have reached similar conclusions - that (assuming you are telling the truth) it is possible that Scum were involved in your vote-forcing but rather more likely not. What needs clearing up? Others have addressed Paul. I agree with you on the other two items.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 19, 2014 15:37:51 GMT -5
It was #2, and now I understand. Sorry about that :-)
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Post by peekercpa on May 19, 2014 17:00:36 GMT -5
smells like a 3rd party action.
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Post by Mahaloth on May 19, 2014 17:41:25 GMT -5
smells like a 3rd party action. It does?
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Post by peekercpa on May 19, 2014 18:14:57 GMT -5
The Crys vote seems too pointless to make up so I believe Meeko. Question is was it a power or a gem, or something else? I'm going with the idea that perhaps it was Lightfoot's (aka Paul's) not-so-good-for-Town ability. Perhaps Lightfoot could shed some light (ha) on the situation? We already know her character has some kind of ability, and it doesn't really make her a target since the ability doesn't do Town any good (and seems like it might help Scum). This is also assuming she's not Scum, which would alter the perspective. But of course she knows best what to reveal, or not. i don't believe anyone in this game until they are dead. so meeko making it up is not pointless. it can't be misproven, right? so he may get a little cred (well he diid with you). does it a couple more times and he's got some folks thinking he is nostradamus and then pulls a future one out of his ear that is fatal to a team. yeh, i don't trust the beaverr.
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Post by peekercpa on May 19, 2014 18:15:50 GMT -5
smells like a 3rd party action. It does? uh, yes.
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