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Post by Mahaloth on May 21, 2014 17:36:29 GMT -5
I'll vote peeker on pure vibe.
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Post by Chameleon on May 22, 2014 2:01:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you there Jan, Patricia has been playing it way too safe....It gives me a lot of pause. Her FOS of Meeko is the last straw for me. A Townie with an important power is just as likely to "play safe" as Scum, so I don't really find this argument very compelling. I have found Patricia suspicious in previous games and have been right, so for completely illogical reasons, I'm leaning that she's Town in this game as I'm not seeing the suspicions others are seeing. As has been pointed out it's also just as likely for a Town power to claim near the end of Day as it is for Scum to false claim, both to save themselves. If you want to talk about playing it safe, then how about Archangel who hasn't posted at all today, or Mary or Johnnybravo who've posted very little and have been light on substance? The fact that Archangel hasn't posted at all makes me believe she can't - and I really don't like punishing someone because they're having issues IRL. I do realize that lurking can be a good Scum cover, but not posting at all probably has a real life reason. The votes on Patricia bother me, but so do the low contributors. Vote Johnnybravo. I think he might be Scum laying low with his minimal contribution. |
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Post by mary on May 22, 2014 7:30:45 GMT -5
I'm really sorry I've been so inactive. I have had something during the day and then another evening commitment every day this week, including today. That said I am about to leave and I don't think I'll be back until after voting closes although I'm not sure what time it ends so I will Vote: Patricia. Her "soft reveal" really bothered me because it was super vague and she claimed she would be fine with someone "testing" it later but that just seems to me like a good way of putting off the pressure for a few days so that she can do some more killing. I will try hard to be more active come tomorrow!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 22, 2014 7:59:19 GMT -5
Chameleon, my issue with Patricia isn't her soft claim. It's her OMGUS FOS on Meeko, and not voting him. Why not just vote him, does she think her anger induced "WELL FOS ON YOU TOO" makes her look good. It looks petty, and stretching for something to grasp onto.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 22, 2014 8:00:24 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead with putting my vote on her now, because I don't think I'll be back before end of day to do another read through like I want to right now. Patricia sticks out the most to me for the reasons I gave.
Vote: Patricia
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 22, 2014 8:15:35 GMT -5
Three votes on Patricia now, likely enough to lynch her given the way this game has shaken out so far.1
LightfootV2/Paul casts the first, at #35. She cites patricia’s vote for LightfootV1, which she describes as “very weak sauce” and “11th hour.” I don’t necessarily agree with the former characterization, though the latter is probably true, but here’s the thing: on balance, I think that Lightfoot V2 is probably Town, mostly based on her power, her usage of the power, and Paul’s behavior on Day One. So I’m not going to dwell on this one.
Vote 2 for patricia is #53, quoted below (with the vote itself elided):
This seems sketchy to me. First of all, this time, describing patricia’s post (which occurred around noon Eastern yesterday, more than 24 hours before the vote deadline) as “11th hour” is really not accurate – and it looks like an attempt to piggyback on LightfootV2’s vote above it because of the equivalent wording. It looks, in short, like an attempt to create a narrative that isn’t fully supported by the facts. Do not like.
The rest of the post seems to be advocating a general approach of “Hey! Just vote for whoever (especially if they vote for you!) so you have a vote on the record and then change it later!” This is not an approach I agree with, at all… but that doesn’t make it Scummy.
Not a vote, but here’s an interesting post at #56, from dizzymrslizzy:
So… it’s the last straw. You agree with Jan. Patricia’s playing it way too safe. It’s the last straw. But no vote. In fact, some serious waffling later on. This super strong indictment in the first paragraph, then a quick walking back of that indictment – that’s the most troubling thing I’ve seen so far.
Essentially, lizzy is placing a FoS on patricia, without voting, because patricia placed a FoS on Meeko, without voting. I'll break the cycle.
Vote: dizzymrslizzy
Third vote is by Mary, at #22. She takes issue with patricia’s soft claim, which I don’t agree with. But it doesn’t read particularly suspicious here.
Now: I have not really taken a position on patricia yet, mostly because I was focusing on people’s posts about her in this post rather than her posts themselves. At this point, I’m going to go back and read all of patricia’s participation so far and see what I can see. Patricia, for your part, if you actually have a testable claim that will prove you to be Town, I hope you will offer it if your lynch appears inevitable (though with only three votes, it’s far from so right now).
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1 - I am as big an offender as anyone, but we have to find a way to stimulate discussion here. I’ve actually been reading along, but everyone is playing so laid back and mostly discussing gems that it’s hard to find anything to grab onto analysis-wise. I think we need to start looking in more detail at votes and voting (as I’ve tried to do here) and think less about the gems, since they’re a mechanical detail about which we can’t really have good knowledge anyway.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 22, 2014 8:16:32 GMT -5
Ha - having posted - and there's the vote for patricia - now that it seems very likely to make her swing and the bandwagon is just a bit more crowded.
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Post by johnnybravo on May 22, 2014 8:24:58 GMT -5
Vote Johnnybravo. I think he might be Scum laying low with his minimal contribution. Well it's true that I haven't been contributing much. To be honest, I'm having trouble following the arguments here and the whole gem thing is just obfuscating the process. I feel like this is a crowd that knows each other very well and a lot of arguments are happening on a channel I can't quite tune into. Either way, you named three lurkers in your post, one of whom is even lurkier than I. Why am I the one out of those three who might be the scum? |
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Post by Colby11 on May 22, 2014 8:40:11 GMT -5
Gem count
Black Gems - Mahaloth, johnnybravo, Meeko, patricia
Green Gems - Lightfoot, Silver Jan
Vote count
Crys- Meeko
Patricia- Lightfoot, Silver Jan, Mary, Dizzymrslizzy
Peeker- Mahaloth
Johnnybravo- Chameleon
Dizzymrslizzy- storyteller
Day ends today at 5pm Central Time, or 8.5 hours from now
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2014 11:45:03 GMT -5
So four votes out of 11 players makes me the lynch leader. I'm sure at least one of my votes is scum - The hard part is which one. Two of them voted after I said I was town and could prove it. I think Dizzy is the most likely scum on my wagon. She voted and than stated she would not be back to change her vote (very safe way for scum to hide)
Vote: Dizzy
I still think meeko may be scum, but I'm more sure that scum is on my wagon.
I have decided not to claim today. I want to see how the votes come down on townie me.
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2014 11:47:54 GMT -5
Ha - having posted - and there's the vote for patricia - now that it seems very likely to make her swing and the bandwagon is just a bit more crowded. Story - you post gives you townie cred with me. don't worry I'm not LOL |
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2014 11:52:07 GMT -5
I want to go on record to say. On day two if someone claims provable town. I'm giving them one day - in less I'm scummy.
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Post by LightFoot on May 22, 2014 12:18:08 GMT -5
I had a funny feeling watching this vote count grow
Because my track record for being correct this early in the game is piss poor
With dizzy’s late vote I think I might be on the right track though
I called Lizzy on her ‘guest appearance’ and Patricia wanted me to think that Lizzy had explained it all before I said anything. ( she hadn’t )
NOTE that Patricia has yet to appear with her “ provable” claim as promised*
Now that it seems Patricia is on her way to the gallows Lizzy is more than happy to assist in the lynch
It would be amazing to me but it is possible that we have fettered out 2 Scum
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Oh whilst I was composing
and taking care of customers
I see that Patricia has decided to forgo claiming all together.
I feel fine with my vote
Provable Town does get a bye most of the time but they have to tell us what they are going to prove to gain that IMO
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2014 12:22:30 GMT -5
I had a funny feeling watching this vote count grow Because my track record for being correct this early in the game is piss poor With dizzy’s late vote I think I might be on the right track though I called Lizzy on her ‘guest appearance’ and Patricia wanted me to think that Lizzy had explained it all before I said anything. ( she hadn’t ) NOTE that Patricia has yet to appear with her “ provable” claim as promised* Now that it seems Patricia is on her way to the gallows Lizzy is more than happy to assist in the lynch It would be amazing to me but it is possible that we have fettered out 2 Scum * Oh whilst I was composing and taking care of customers I see that Patricia has decided to forgo claiming all together. I feel fine with my vote Provable Town does get a bye most of the time but they have to tell us what they are going to prove to gain that IMO Don't pat your self on the back yet - Let's talk about who is scum tomorrow! |
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2014 12:27:04 GMT -5
Just because I decided not to claim today - as the vote record will give us good leads on scum - doesn't mean I'm scum - and if you are around and I feel you are town you should vote else where and not waste your vote on me as I will be here tomorrow. And that as close to a claim you are getting today!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 22, 2014 13:12:52 GMT -5
Essentially, lizzy is placing a FoS on patricia, without voting, because patricia placed a FoS on Meeko, without voting. I'll break the cycle. No Actually if you read my post, the reason I didn't put a vote on Patricia back in Post 56, is because I had a FOS on BOTH Meeko and Patricia. I doubt that it's Scum on Scum bussing, and am leaning on which one is scum and which one is town,but I believe one of them is scum. I'm still not 100% sure, but going on the gut feeling that Patricia's play is off. And it's not that Patricia is FOSing with out voting, it's the manner of her appearingly angry, overly defensive, "Fine I'll just FOS you right back" that is just odd to me. And look at my past plays as Town, I talk and flesh things out in my head to give myself and other players a look into my thought process. Sometimes I need to sit back and think about which way I really feel if I'm inbetween two conflicting players. I do this a lot when deciphering Pizza's posts. I would rather take a couple of hours and reflect on whether he's being truthful or full of BS, then jump right in and vote. I don't like changing my vote, and with the lack of conversation in here, and my knowing that I would only have a few minutes inbetween getting home from my morning, and picking my son up from the bus and being his chauffer, I needed to place my vote. I placed one based on gut reaction to Meeko vs Patricia. |
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Post by Silver Jan on May 22, 2014 13:26:15 GMT -5
Just because I decided not to claim today - as the vote record will give us good leads on scum - doesn't mean I'm scum - and if you are around and I feel you are town you should vote else where and not waste your vote on me as I will be here tomorrow. And that as close to a claim you are getting today! So are you saying that you can't be lynched? I hate these teasing posts. |
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Post by LightFoot on May 22, 2014 13:31:23 GMT -5
Just because I decided not to claim today - as the vote record will give us good leads on scum - doesn't mean I'm scum - and if you are around and I feel you are town you should vote else where and not waste your vote on me as I will be here tomorrow. And that as close to a claim you are getting today! So are you saying that you can't be lynched? I hate these teasing posts. that's how I read it too doesn't mean it is a provable Town power though |
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 22, 2014 13:46:13 GMT -5
No usually bulletproofs are more of a scum role, not a Town role.
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2014 14:16:53 GMT -5
No usually bulletproofs are more of a scum role, not a Town role. Coming from someone who still isn't claiming. I don't see how this helps Patricia gain townliness in fact, it kinda proves the suspicions. By that I mean to say, wouldn't a scum bulletproof Patricia play exactly as they are playing now? |
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2014 14:18:12 GMT -5
NETA :: I am continuing Dizzy's line on Pat. I'm not saying that Dizzy is scum. (I'm also not not saying that, but well, you know what I mean, I hope.)
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 22, 2014 14:27:09 GMT -5
That's what I was saying Meeko, that her being able to somehow avoid the lynch doesn't prove that she is Town like she is suggesting, but most of the Lynch avoiding roles I know of are usually Scum related.....I still have pictures in my head of Pizza and his Mustache in what was it AIW?
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Post by Meeko on May 22, 2014 14:35:07 GMT -5
Just because I decided not to claim today - as the vote record will give us good leads on scum - doesn't mean I'm scum - and if you are around and I feel you are town you should vote else where and not waste your vote on me as I will be here tomorrow. And that as close to a claim you are getting today! I don't see any town motivation here. Claiming in and of itself proves nothing. So you are correct in saying ""Just because I decided not to claim today - - doesn't mean I'm scum."" No there are other reasons why you are scum. Let's take the middle part of the above line ""as the vote record will give us good leads on scum"" I. If you are scum, you more than likely have scum mates throwing you under the buss. Thus this could be a true statement. II. If you are scum, and you have a power that affects voting (which we have already seen voting power present, ahem.) you would manipulate vote records. I would not want to follow ""good leads"" from a manipulated record. As I say this, I wonder if indeed this isn't your ulterior motive. III. ""And if you are around AND I FEEL YOU ARE TOWN..."" How would we not be around? ........why did I you phrase it "and I feel you are town" .... Are you feeling non-town? IV. Not to waste a vote on you. ...... But then you also aren't giving us any reason to not vote you. This part pings me, and I'm forced to disregard the entire voting instruction. .... As much as I can. V. You'll be here Tommorrow? Again, because scum would know this. .... If you survive the lynch, it will confirm something. Do you not fear that confirmation will bring you closer to your next lynch? |
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Post by peekercpa on May 22, 2014 15:08:10 GMT -5
and on a total skim a couple of observations. the gems probably do something. but probably just for a certain person or group of folks (sorry if i am late for the bus). additionally, meeko is making sense. i don't know whether it is the meds or what. and are we really going down the fos bunnyhole again?
and just a sec.
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Post by peekercpa on May 22, 2014 15:09:34 GMT -5
Ha - having posted - and there's the vote for patricia - now that it seems very likely to make her swing and the bandwagon is just a bit more crowded. Story - you post gives you townie cred with me. don't worry I'm not LOL does this post really say what it says? |
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Post by peekercpa on May 22, 2014 15:16:46 GMT -5
Story - you post gives you townie cred with me. don't worry I'm not LOL <snipped to the bone> does this post say what it really says? |
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Post by LightFoot on May 22, 2014 15:22:03 GMT -5
Story - you post gives you townie cred with me. don't worry I'm not LOL <snipped to the bone> does this post say what it really says? She has half assed claimed that she won't be lynched toDay |
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Post by peekercpa on May 22, 2014 15:41:45 GMT -5
<snipped to the bone> does this post say what it really says? She has half assed claimed that she won't be lynched toDay so she's claiming sucm scothman? |
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Post by patricia on May 22, 2014 16:18:00 GMT -5
You are all just wasting today. Can you please at least put a FOS on someone else!! For the record I'm claiming town and I never claimed to be bulletproof or anything else - I just said I won't be lynched today. So you all want to waste your vote and the whole day go ahead. You can lead a horse to water..... If I was a scum I would not bother to post and let you all waste the day with a no lynch. Town needs to lynch !!!
The most sad part is I'm sure most of you are town and the scum is laughing at this whole thing!
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Post by LightFoot on May 22, 2014 16:53:49 GMT -5
You said you are Town and it can be proven- you also said you would like to wait til later in the game to do so
Not that you had to wait until later but you would like to
You also say you will survive this lynch ( probably just the one)
Are you implying that you have some magic swiss army knife that you can pull abilities out of?
Pretty powerful for a Town that had a Vig
Has a vote redirector
And I am certain other power roles
Scum must really have some stones
odds are you are one of them
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