Hockey Monkey!
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 8, 2007 21:20:18 GMT -5
Uh..I unvoted Zuma before the end of Day Three, Hockey. Apologies if I missed a strike out tag.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 21:21:40 GMT -5
It's okay. I really wish I didn't now. Although it wouldn't have made a difference.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 8, 2007 21:57:57 GMT -5
1) I am not convinced zuma is Steele. If he is a pirate, then he was waaaay out of line when he got insulting towards me yesterday for ferreting him out.
2) capy, quit trying to find out who the Doctor is. Seriously, that's very, very scummy.
3) zuma, I would like you to explain exactly how it works. I would like you to post the entire back and forth between you and Mal.
4) DO NOT SPEED LYNCH IDLE THOUGHTS. We have days here, people.
5) Idle Thoughts may not be a pirate, but he could still be a murdering scum. Let us NOT forget that. It's unlikely that Ben was activated on Night One, but it's possible. On the other hand, it isn't outside the realm of impossiblity at all that he's Dick.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 8, 2007 21:58:45 GMT -5
It's okay. I really wish I didn't now. Although it wouldn't have made a difference. ::: weighing the possiblities ::: Idle, zuma, Idle, zuma, Idle, zuma I am going to have to sleep on this. Idle makes a very passionate defense, to which my girly-girl senses tell me that a pirate couldn't do. But common sense tells me a pirate perfectly well can. Jeebus. Just to explain to Idle, in my bandwagon posts, I tried to just present data, and some analysis, but not accuse anyone. In fact I made a point to say that I was not picking anyone out to go after. I merely stated that in this list I believed there were scum. I put the data out there for scrutiny, and thanks to those who have gone further with my idea. I still have a lot of work to do analyzing this Day. Hooboy, lots to contemplate.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 8, 2007 22:01:38 GMT -5
Ok. Possibilities: We kill Idle Thoughts; he doesn't roleclaim. A) he's a pirate: good b) he's vanilla crew and takes one for the team. Bad. Then we kill Zuma the pirate: good. We kill Zuma. a) he's a pirate. good b) he's in fact Steele and takes one for the team. Worse than the above bad. Then we kill I.T. the pirate, but have traded a pirate for an officer who can I.D. people rather than one vanilla crewmember (sorry, but cannon fodder in the cosmic scheme) Is this logic correct, anyone? Perhaps the doctor should indeed stay quiet, by the way. I think you're absolutely right. The Doctor should NOT say anything! zuma has claimed Capt. Steele, and we should assume he is telling the truth because the real Capt. didn't counter-claim. Am I right in thinking that the only remaining pro-crew role that has not been claimed is the Doctor? Idle Thoughts is not the Doctor.If we kill Idle, and he's not a pirate, we've lost a vanilla crew and we get a pirate (zuma) tomorrow. If we kill zuma and he's not a pirate, we've lost Captain Steele and get a pirate (Idle) tomorrow. It doesn't take a genius to see which scenario is more desirable. Good logic, capy! I still don't trust you! ++VOTE IDLE THOUGHTS++
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:02:29 GMT -5
AZteach, that is possible that I may be Dick, but I'm not. Because see, that would still hold creedence/possiblity to the claim that I could have "attacked" zuma. But see, knowing that I don't HAVE any attacking abilities at Night (because I know that I'm crew), this is how I'm SO SURE that he's scum.
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Post by zuma on Jun 8, 2007 22:04:00 GMT -5
3) zuma, I would like you to explain exactly how it works. I would like you to post the entire back and forth between you and Mal.Am I allowed to do that? In every other game I've played or read it gets you immediately modkilled to quote mod pms... you're only allowed to speak in generalities.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:04:27 GMT -5
Just to explain to Idle, in my bandwagon posts, I tried to just present data, and some analysis, but not accuse anyone. In fact I made a point to say that I was not picking anyone out to go after. I merely stated that in this list I believed there were scum. I put the data out there for scrutiny, and thanks to those who have gone further with my idea. I still have a lot of work to do analyzing this Day. Hooboy, lots to contemplate. Don't have to explain yourself to me. Just look at my long reply to NAF on page one. I even say that your post, at the very least, is legit and could be looked at and taken into account. What HE was doing, though, wasn't, I don't think. Not by a long shot.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 8, 2007 22:05:57 GMT -5
AZteach, that is possible that I may be Dick, but I'm not. Because see, that would still hold creedence/possiblity to the claim that I could have "attacked" zuma. But see, knowing that I don't HAVE any attacking abilities at Night (because I know that I'm crew), this is how I'm SO SURE that he's scum. This cements my belief that we should kill Idle. If we do, the WORST case is a crew/pirate trade. That's more than worth it. --FCOD
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 8, 2007 22:12:04 GMT -5
And another thing: if Idle really is vanilla crew, he should jump at the chance to sacrifice himself to catch a pirate. He's rabidly defending himself, and that's a well-known scum tell.
--FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:13:53 GMT -5
zuma has claimed Capt. Steele, and we should assume he is telling the truth because the real Capt. didn't counter-claim.[/quoted] Snipped. OH COME ON! WHY would the real Capt do that? That's just what zuma and the other pirates WANT. Have you been reading this thread? But for pete's sakes, That doesn't automatically mean he's telling the truth! It doesn't mean I'm a pirate or any other role that can attack and kill at night. That is VERY VERY one sided and narrow minded of you. How can you even think that the real Captain Steele would reveal him or herself and put a huge X on their back? Surely you can't be just going on that alone? That you believe him "just because another person hasn't role claimed Capt Steele." Have you not seen everyone even TELLING the real Captain Steele to keep their trap shut? I'm starting to think that you might be phoney baloney too. I didn't up until now. BUT SERIOUSLY? He's telling the truth just because nobody counterclaimed? That's absurd! I AM NOT A PIRATE EVERYONE. I am a crew member! I swear to God. I swear on everything I own. I swear on my collection of books. I swear on my cats. I swear on my FATHER'S GRAVE that I am NOT A PIRATE. I'll even get Mal to mod kill me if zuma is lynched and IS captain steele...or HELL EVEN IF HE'S JUST PROCREW. But I'm telling the truth! And those of you who really ARE town....don't do this. Don't be fooled. At the very least unvote me and vote for someone else if you don't want to vote for that liar zuma. But don't be a part of a SEVENTH crew to die just to get ONE. I'm telling you right now that I. am. crew. I swear my life on it. THE SEVENTH vanilla crew. Shit at this rate the crew is going to LOSE if the real protowners don't start RECOGNIZING crew when it's right in front of their faces and being hit hard. I'M CREW!!!!!!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:17:57 GMT -5
AZteach, that is possible that I may be Dick, but I'm not. Because see, that would still hold creedence/possiblity to the claim that I could have "attacked" zuma. But see, knowing that I don't HAVE any attacking abilities at Night (because I know that I'm crew), this is how I'm SO SURE that he's scum. This cements my belief that we should kill Idle. If we do, the WORST case is a crew/pirate trade. That's more than worth it. --FCOD This is TERRIBLE strategy. Because it is NOT CREW FOR PIRATE. It would be if this were Day One but it's not anymore. Why waste another crew member when I'm crew and I'm telling you that I know, for SURE, that zuma is lying like a rug? AT THE VERY LEAST, why couldn't you just vote for someone else and wait on more info? But you're speeding into another crew lynching. Again, if you REALLY ARE what you say you are, then unvote me and just let the real pirate and proevil side lynch me. That way you can be sure that everyone who lynches me is not crew. And this is not just to you, FCOD, this is to everyone who is really procrew. And REALLY procrew. Not pretending to be procrew, obviously.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:19:56 GMT -5
Listen, everyone. I'm an honest member of the crew. Really.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 8, 2007 22:21:54 GMT -5
OH COME ON! WHY would the real Capt do that? That's just what zuma and the other pirates WANT. Have you been reading this thread? But for pete's sakes, That doesn't automatically mean he's telling the truth! It doesn't mean I'm a pirate or any other role that can attack and kill at night. That is VERY VERY one sided and narrow minded of you. How can you even think that the real Captain Steele would reveal him or herself and put a huge X on their back? You know what, you're right. I don't have any verification of zuma's claim. But it's still worth it to trade you for a pirate. I think you'd agree, if you actually were crew. --FCOD
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 8, 2007 22:28:15 GMT -5
Am I allowed to do that? In every other game I've played or read it gets you immediately modkilled to quote mod pms... you're only allowed to speak in generalities. Hmmm....I suppose that's true. More than anything, I'd like to know how it "works" - were you told "an attempt was made on you - do you wish to block or witness?" Obviously, you'd block, but there's still a 1/3 chance it won't work....in which case you'd never be able to share what you know...aigh. On the other hand, jeez, Idle, take a chill pill there.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:30:01 GMT -5
I would, actually, if it was still Day One or Two, FCOD.
But it's not...and so far, SIX crew members have been offed and zero pirates or possible future pirates have. So why make it seven when we have the power, right now, to kill a scum off today.
Because here is what's going to happen:
You're all going to lynch me based on believing a lie (well, if you're crew that is) and then in the Night Four thread everyone will be all "Ohhh, we're so sorry Idle Thoughts." "Ohh we made a huge mistake, Idle Thoughts." "Ohh, that sucked! RIP Idle Thoughts."
But by that time it will be too late.
So rather than being SORRY LATER, which you know everyone will be or at least act like(save for zuma that is), and wish you COULD GO BACK IN TIME AND LISTEN TO ME, why not just do it now while you have the chance?
Not just you but anyone who is really for the side of good.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:32:10 GMT -5
On the other hand, jeez, Idle, take a chill pill there. But I'm really crew. So I'm just doing whatever it takes for those real pro-crewers to see the truth. Because zuma doing that was foolish. It made me realize, for sure, he's scum. So I'm going to do everything in my power to try to make those true crew players to hopefully realize it.
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Post by capybara on Jun 8, 2007 22:35:59 GMT -5
2) capy, quit trying to find out who the Doctor is. Seriously, that's very, very scummy. And I sure wasn't trying to. I thought that another officer could make a verification and I misunderstood how the game worked and was wrong. I never suggested that the doctor should personally come out of the closet. And I am aware that you officer guys don't trust me--it's ok. Can't blame you.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 8, 2007 22:37:08 GMT -5
I would, actually, if it was still Day One or Two, FCOD. But it's not...and so far, SIX crew members have been offed and zero pirates or possible future pirates have. So why make it seven when we have the power, right now, to kill a scum off today. Because here is what's going to happen: You're all going to lynch me based on believing a lie (well, if you're crew that is) and then in the Night Four thread everyone will be all "Ohhh, we're so sorry Idle Thoughts." "Ohh we made a huge mistake, Idle Thoughts." "Ohh, that sucked! RIP Idle Thoughts." But by that time it will be too late. So rather than being SORRY LATER, which you know everyone will be or at least act like(save for zuma that is), and wish you COULD GO BACK IN TIME AND LISTEN TO ME, why not just do it now while you have the chance? Not just you but anyone who is really for the side of good. Why should we believe you more than we should believe zuma? Because I don't see a good reason to believe you over him. Which gamble should we take? The life of a vanilla crew or the life of Steele? Personally I'd rather say, "Sorry, vanilla crewman, our bad" than "Sorry Steele, we made a mistake!" --FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:38:49 GMT -5
I would, actually, if it was still Day One or Two, FCOD. But it's not...and so far, SIX crew members have been offed and zero pirates or possible future pirates have. So why make it seven when we have the power, right now, to kill a scum off today. Because here is what's going to happen: You're all going to lynch me based on believing a lie (well, if you're crew that is) and then in the Night Four thread everyone will be all "Ohhh, we're so sorry Idle Thoughts." "Ohh we made a huge mistake, Idle Thoughts." "Ohh, that sucked! RIP Idle Thoughts." But by that time it will be too late. So rather than being SORRY LATER, which you know everyone will be or at least act like(save for zuma that is), and wish you COULD GO BACK IN TIME AND LISTEN TO ME, why not just do it now while you have the chance? Not just you but anyone who is really for the side of good. Why should we believe you more than we should believe zuma? Because I don't see a good reason to believe you over him. Which gamble should we take? The life of a vanilla crew or the life of Steele? Personally I'd rather say, "Sorry, vanilla crewman, our bad" than "Sorry Steele, we made a mistake!" --FCOD You wouldn't be making a mistake. I know this. For a fact. One hundred percent. You wouldn't have to say "Sorry Steele", because zuma is NOT Steele.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 8, 2007 22:39:32 GMT -5
Idle, the problem here, and about the only reason I'm not believing your story (and I would love a reason to believe zuma is a pirate because than I wouldn't be such an idiot), is that your numbers just don't add up. We have, what, 17 players left? There can't be more than three or four pirate roles, which means 6-7 pirate-aligned roles, which means we can still survive a 1-1 trade, especially since the Doctor and Steele are still in play.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:42:43 GMT -5
Idle, the problem here, and about the only reason I'm not believing your story ( and I would love a reason to believe zuma is a pirate because than I wouldn't be such an idiot), is that your numbers just don't add up. We have, what, 17 players left? There can't be more than three or four pirate roles, which means 6-7 pirate-aligned roles, which means we can still survive a 1-1 trade, especially since the Doctor and Steele are still in play. Well, have it your way then. I'm telling you right NOW, though, that I'm crew. That way you won't HAVE to look like an "idiot" later. I have a great reason for you. He said I attacked him yet I'm neither pirate or a role that can attack at Night. There's your reason! I am an honest member of the crew. I swear to that.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 8, 2007 22:43:07 GMT -5
On the other hand, jeez, Idle, take a chill pill there. But I'm really crew. So I'm just doing whatever it takes for those real pro-crewers to see the truth. Because zuma doing that was foolish. It made me realize, for sure, he's scum. So I'm going to do everything in my power to try to make those true crew players to hopefully realize it. I think everyone reading this understands your claim of crew.However,shouting "I'm crew" ain't gonna save your neck.You wanna present some kind of defense other than that?Until then vote Idle Thoughts
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:47:01 GMT -5
I don't know what else I can say. MtS. If swearing on my father's grave isn't going to do it (which isn't something I take lightly, and I don't suppose anyone else would) then nothing will.
I already outlined many things that didn't make sense and nobody is listening. WHY would Captain Steele roleclaim so early? WHY? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? Do you have a good response? You or anyone? I can see waiting until the LAST minute but zuma still had about TWO days left.
I'll say one last time, I'm nothing but an honest crew member.
I don't know what else to tell you, or anyone.
Zuma is lying. And it's just a pity that the crew has to lose one more just to get their first scum.
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Post by Parzival on Jun 8, 2007 22:47:08 GMT -5
Come to think of it, even the Doctor can't guarantee anything. For all we know, he protected zuma the Pirate, who merely seized the opportunity after the 'real' Pirate kill was blocked to come up with this story.
I don't really buy that, but it's a possibility.
I think it's less likely Idle Thoughts is Dick Deadeye than he is a pirate.
Consider the cases :
A) Idle Thoughts is scum. A-1) Idle is Dick, zuma is Steele. Dick goes after zuma, who Watches himself and is saved by the Doctor. This means the Pirates had to have hit Ben, an unlikely event (or vote no-kill? I don't know if that's an option).
A-2) Idle is a Pirate, zuma is Steele, the Doctor saved zuma. Dick merely missed.
B)Idle is Crew
B-1) zuma is a Pirate; the Pirates attacked whomever the Doctor protected or Steele Blocked (or had a nk?) and Dick missed, or hit a block/protect/Ben Gunn. That's at least one semi-lucky stopped kill, there.
B-2) zuma is non-Pirate scum (maybe Sam); the Pirates and/or Dick were Blocked (possibly they attacked zuma?), or Dick missed. If Idle's crew, I find this line kind of interesting, but either way it implies zuma's scum.
The way I see it - the B cases require a certain amount of luck. I suppose it's possible, but I don't know why zuma would die to kill Idle, unless he's Sam and knows who Idle is (even then, it's iffy). Because he could have just as easily come up with a 'no result' story as this.
The A cases, on the other hand, require a pretty big Pirate blunder. It's a bit surprising they'd even go after zuma last night if they know him to likely be Steele. Even if they didn't foresee this outcome, they ought to have expected a Block if anything. It's such a risky move that it makes me wonder.
Nevertheless, killing Idle toDay makes the most sense, even if he's crew.
One thing - if it went down as zuma tells it, it's virtually impossible that Ben Gunn was activated Day 1 (unless, of course, he attacked Flint last night - a truly great stroke of luck).
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 8, 2007 22:48:37 GMT -5
Umm...why hasn't zuma voted? Did I miss that?
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Post by capybara on Jun 8, 2007 22:53:55 GMT -5
By the way, even if you're innocent, I find the repeated invoking of swearing on your father's grave thing a little odd. It's just a game. Either you need to mellow out, or. . . I won't express the more cynical possibilities.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:54:22 GMT -5
Well, in that case I have a question for Mal, or anyone else who may know.
If I request to be Mod Killed, does the current Day keep going on to a lynch or does the Day end if the Mod Kill is Crew? Because if it's the first, I'm going to do that just so my team will still get to lynch zuma today. You all talk about "taking one for the team". Fine. I'll do that. Answer my question when you have the time, Mal and if it's the first, then I request it, please.
If it's the latter, then I'll just stick it out, I guess.
But I don't know what else would prove it to those who are really crew then hoping it's the first just so you all can see I'm crew and still have the Day left (hopefully) to get ride of zuma.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jun 8, 2007 22:56:08 GMT -5
Come to think of it, even the Doctor can't guarantee anything. For all we know, he protected zuma the Pirate, who merely seized the opportunity after the 'real' Pirate kill was blocked to come up with this story. I believe that the Doctor knows if he saved his target or not. So, if the Doctor protected zuma, he'd know whether or not someone tried to kill zuma. --FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2007 22:58:46 GMT -5
Let me actually clarify. If it's the first (that's the case of a Mod Kill) then I'll PROBABLY request it. I don't request it right away. At least not until my question is answered and I mull it over.
But if I'm really going to "take one for the team" I ma's well still give them the same Day to get a real scummy player out (barring that's possible and the case).
But really, I just hope that willing to do that, yet still have the current Day go on (if that's the case) would be proof enough to those real pro-good players that I'm what I say I am.
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