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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2007 16:51:17 GMT -5
It was the quietest day yet in New Canaan. Discussions continued to track along familiar lines, and at some point the mob settled on zeriel as the day's victim. Once again, the man who would ride in New Canaan's electric chair didn't put in even a desultory defense, but went to his fate with silent resignation. By now, the routine was well established. Restrain, dim the lights, electrocute, and then the inevitable Coroner and his grim shake of the head.
zeriel, a Vanilla Colonist, has been lynched
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Night Four begins now, and will end at approximately 5:00PM on Thursday, December 13, or when all Night instructions have been submitted, whichever comes first.
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On another note, is everyone interested in continuing to play this game? This was the least active Day yet; we didn't even make it to 200 posts. My subjective opinion is that a lot of players are basically going through the motions at this point - some people aren't posting at all - and if no one's having fun then there's not much of a point.
For what it's worth, there's still a fair bit to this game that remains unrevealed. The outcome is by no means certain. But whatever the outcome of the game, I'd rather it be the result of active play than of a game coasting along for days and weeks stuck in neutral, so if everyone feels like the spark has run out of this one I won't be offended if you'd all like to check out.
Opinions are welcome.
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Post by Tragic on Dec 11, 2007 17:03:35 GMT -5
I'm definitely in to continue.. but that sucks about zeriel *sighs* I'm starting to get frustrated..
My own reasons was that I Was away. Also the majority of the Day took place over a weekend. Those are the only reasons I can think of for why it was so slow.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 11, 2007 17:05:39 GMT -5
Damn, Damn, Damn, Damn. There Roosh is that a good enough reaction? My scumdar in this game is just as good as it was in FF.
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Post by kassia on Dec 11, 2007 17:17:57 GMT -5
Damn it all. We are not doing well.
Story, I'm interested in continuing on. Last weekend was just a really bad weekend for me. I think the timing of this game might be just a little unfortunate, with all the holidays to work around and stuff. Hopefully with everyone getting finals and exams and papers out of the way in the next couple of weeks things will pick up a bit. I'll do my part and try harder to have more of a presence here.
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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 11, 2007 17:24:04 GMT -5
Point the first: FUCK.
Point the second: I think that as the numbers dwindle, the posts go down. Plus, it seems like all the vocal people end up getting lynched or murdered. *sigh*
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 11, 2007 17:26:06 GMT -5
The Town is being led around by our collective noses, it would seem. I felt like a bull in a china shop with the first two Colonist lynches that I participated in. Since then, I've managed to avoid voting any innocents into the chair, but I have honestly no idea if anything that I'm saying or doing is actually helping at all.
Does the person just watching the mob gang up on someone do any less damage than the people in the mob?
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Post by NAF1138 on Dec 11, 2007 17:28:49 GMT -5
Hey story, if I could make a suggestion?
Make the Day's longer. I think with the holidays people just don't have as much time to play as they would like to. If you give them a few more days each Day, they might have a better shot.
I personally think this is one of the most interesting game designs that we have had so far and I would really like to see it play out.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 11, 2007 17:32:21 GMT -5
Hey story, if I could make a suggestion? Make the Day's longer. I think with the holidays people just don't have as much time to play as they would like to. If you give them a few more days each Day, they might have a better shot. I personally think this is one of the most interesting game designs that we have had so far and I would really like to see it play out. Or shorter. People seem to make it a point to get in here and post during the last 48 hours of the day. I've tried prodding. I've tried poking. I've tried asking, yet, miraculously, votes come within an hour or two of those who I call out specifically for not having voted yet.
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Post by episodeofblonde on Dec 11, 2007 17:36:23 GMT -5
First of all, damn it. I was pretty sure zeriel was scum. Grr.
Second, yes I would like to continue playing. It's a busy time right now for a lot of people - maybe the day lengths do need some adjustment.
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Post by Parzival on Dec 11, 2007 17:39:03 GMT -5
Firstly, damn about zeriel. "The townies" are sorry to see you go. (FWIW I didn't think that slip meant anything - it was more the indecision/apparent avoidance on votes).
I am interested in keeping going with the game. I think NAF's suggestion may be wise, at least with the continued holiday travel schedule. I imagine a few days that are a little longer should keep things going.
I also keep getting the feeling the scum are hiding rather than being the vocal ones, so maybe it's time to actually switch strategy and get the lurkers talking.
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 11, 2007 18:53:29 GMT -5
Still /in. Definitely want to play this one through - but winter break will inevitably be brutal for me (and everybody else) given the time crunch.
Update on work schedule: I'm scheduled to work both Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, and most likely New Years Eve/Day as well (one of the hazards of being in the restaurant business), and I'm hoping to sneak a trip back home in between. But I'll be out of school by then so maybe I can at least keep up during the RL day.
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Post by diggitcamara on Dec 11, 2007 19:53:23 GMT -5
Sorry about my absence. I specifically had set aside this evening to reread the threads (because I thought the Day would end tomorrow evening--headslap!)
I'll pick up my posting around here... I hope I won't be as swamped at work as I've been so far...
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 11, 2007 19:59:00 GMT -5
I vote for go on! Oh wait.... *shrug* Well, it's fun to read...
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 11, 2007 20:26:29 GMT -5
[out of game, shameless self promotion]Part of what I've been doing at school. [/oog etc etc] (It's a slight redo of a previous final project - not all that complicated, but it had been my first semester learning how to model in 3-D so overall I'm still pretty proud of how it turned out.)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 11, 2007 20:44:31 GMT -5
OK, sounds like a lot of votes in favor of continuing. I'm going to think about whether to extend or shorten the Days, and also about how to handle the upcoming winter break. Suggestions are welcome, but to avoid meta-gaming, if you're a living player in the game please send any suggestions to me via PM rather than post them here.
Thanks!
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Post by sinjin on Dec 11, 2007 20:53:50 GMT -5
I want to play too. Play is good.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 11, 2007 22:54:01 GMT -5
Oh bugger. Story, I think one of the main reasons that the Days haven't been as talkative is that for the past two Days, two of the days within the Day have fallen on weekends, and it's been very apparent most people are busier on the weekends than the weekday. I think it's also due to the time of year, people are busy with Christmasy thingies and the like. That being said, obviously I want to continue with the game. I think at this point we need to seriously consider the fact that some of the scum might be using lurking as a primary strategy. Day 1 Votes:(stolen from Roosh's post during Day Four) Notice how everybody sans kassia who got votes Day One is now dead. And they were all town. Something to think about.
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 12, 2007 0:05:40 GMT -5
goddammit. Why didn't you SAY something, Z? I wanna keep playing. with that said though, I've got exams on Thursday, so I'm busy till Friday pretty much. But after that, I'll have TONS of free time and I can devote more to this game. But i hope the game continues on. So i'm just gonna follow up with my usual Votes post and that'll pretty much be it till Friday if i'm still around.....
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 12, 2007 0:06:18 GMT -5
*to the tune of a christmas carol:*
I'm beginning to feel a lot like dot-chan IIII am al-ways town But "the townies" seem to like lynch me When the scum's not smacking me down
Good luck guys. I suggest a serious mental reboot here.
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 12, 2007 0:07:10 GMT -5
Aaaand, apologies for the lack of participation. New job and old job overlap this week, so I'm pulling 16-hour sysadmin days, hence the sparsity of my defenses.
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 12, 2007 0:22:52 GMT -5
Votes Day 1: FINAL COUNT Pleonast (5) - kassia, Santo Rugger, diggitcamara, Roosh, Diomedes zuma (6) - Cookies, Kat, Yattara, zeriel, Death by Irony, Sinjin CatinaSuit (4) - NAF1138, drainbead, hockey monkey, episodeofblonde zeriel (3) - CatinaSuit, Captain Klutz, mhaye Kat (2) - Pleonast, Parzival NAF1138 (1) - Hal Briston (Cat2.0) mhaye (1) - atarus kassia (1) - zuma Non-Voters: (3) BlasterMaster, HazelNutCoffee Votes Day 2: 18 Votes of 21 Diomedes (9*) - drainbead, atarus, Parzival, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, kassia, Tragic, episodeofblonde, DeathbyIrony, *Dio self votes in final 5 mins Pleonast (5) - Santo Rugger, diggitcamara, sinjin, Roosh, zuma 2.0, [Diomedes*] kassia (2) - NAF1138, Pleonast Death by Irony (1) - Captain Klutz Zeriel (1) - mhaye Non-Voters: (3): Hal Briston(CatinaSuit2.0), Yattara (Kat2.0) Zeriel Votes Day 3: 19 of 19 votes Cast Pleonast (10) - zuma v. 2.0, sinjin, Roosh, Santo Rugger, drainbead, CatinaSuit v. 2.0, kassia, Kat2.0, Captain Klutz, diggitcamara Death by Irony (2) - atarus, CometotheDarksideWeHaveCookies sinjin (2) - Zeriel, NAF1138 Zeriel (2) - Parzival, Tragic Roosh (2) - episodeofblonde, Death by Irony Kassia (1)- Pleonast Votes Day 4: 16 Of 17 zeriel (7) - sinjin, Roosh, atarus, Parzival, Santo Rugger, kassia, Captain Klutz drainbead (3) - CatinaSuit v. 2.0, Cookies, Death by Irony kassia (2) - drainbead, Tragic Captain Klutz (2) - episodeofblonde, Kat v. 2.0 Roosh (1) - zuma v. 2.0 sinjin (1) - zeriel Did Not Vote: DiggitCamera ~~~~~~~~~ *Just off my Data charts, which may contain errors. If there are mistakes PLEASE let me know, and I'll correct them. Thank you. ~R
*Atarus and Gov. Rugger Italicized... cuz, well you should know by now at this point in the game.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 12, 2007 1:00:08 GMT -5
Hmm, I just noticed something about kassia.
Day 1 kassia was one of the first to vote for Pleo. No harm, no foul. But it gets pretty consistent after that, as somebody may have already pointed out.
Day 2, kassia's the fifth person to place a vote on the eventual electrocutee. Eight votes were eventually cast for Dio(excluding his own), so she placed the vote just as the momentum was beginning to swing against him.
Day 3, kassia was the seventh vote out of ten. This time, as the vote bloc(sp)? was solidifying.
Day 4, kassia placed yet another icing vote.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 12, 2007 8:04:09 GMT -5
And I was so sure zeriel was scum...
I did bunch of analysis at work, now a lot of it has been rendered obsolete. I guess I won't be posting quite as much as I thought toNight.
RIP zeriel, one of "the townies"
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 12, 2007 8:33:52 GMT -5
Day 4.165 episodeofblonde
Okay, I don't understand this at all. For example, here is Day 4.19 How does this ping? Do you mean that any mention of the colour counts as "suspicious"? We have been told that colour is significant. We have been told that death scenes are "carefully written". If you disagree with my interpretations then by all means say so, but to classify any discussion of the colour as scummy seems, well, bizarre.
" ...and his interest in starting discussion about the potential scum roles reads like scummy fishing to me. "
Huh? You think that getting information on scum roles is scummy fishing? I am definitely interested in scum roles and abilities - it's how we can work towards figuring out the setup and identifying scum. As I have said before, I will not discuss possible town roles but I am very happy to talk about possible scum roles. If we can get people to talk about them then we might get closer to figuring things out and scum may say something that they didn't mean to.
Let's try it - episodeofblonde, what guess would you make at a possible scum ability?
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 12, 2007 8:52:45 GMT -5
Frikkin 'ell - its never easy is it. For the moment - consider me stumped. zeriel - sorry to see you go.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 12, 2007 9:19:56 GMT -5
Yes, I still want to play this to the end.
In terms of Days/Nights, I think it is worth remembering that we can strategise at Night as well and as such we racked up over 900 posts of analysis from Pleonast's lynching as opposed to under 700 posts from the previous two nights which did not contain quite the same level of detail.
Personally, I would shorten the Days slightly seeing as most people only really come in towards the end and we have effectively had 5+ days of analysis with extra info thrown in half way through.
Although more interaction from the lurkers would be useful.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 12, 2007 9:42:13 GMT -5
Day 4.178 CatInASuit.v2
That's a fair question. It's described as a "fail safe" device, so that could suggest that it's known only to the designers. However...
From the point of view of game mechanics, I can't see how that could be the case. It's saying "you have a special ability, but you have no control over it because you have no idea what triggers it". If the Nexus-9 doesn't know about it then the ability will be essentially a random element. I think it makes more sense for the Nexus-9 to know what they have to do in order to get the ability.
My feeling is that the effect is something like "you are immune to investigations as long as you do not read or post to the scum board". This way the scum have a difficult strategic choice to make.
But I can also see that this might only be known to the Nexus-9, and the other scum were (until atarus' info) puzzled by the absence of their leader. It fact, that really appeals to me as a game mechanic.
However, we still can't draw any conclusions because we still don't know exactly what causes "activation" (it seems that atarus did not get any clarification).
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 12, 2007 10:03:01 GMT -5
Ok, brain dump time and hopefully starting point for more analysis.
Thoughts on yesterday. To me yesterday, it looked like the scum initially had a go at setting up a bandwagon for kassia to try and get her lynched with some real poor logic and supposition. Frankly IMHO, citing Pleonast as a reason sucked, expecially with hardly any other backup evidence to go with it. AlthoughI guess they would have had no problems with getting zeriel lynched instead.
Town summary: atarus: Assumed mason and so townie. No-one else has contradicted him, so I am assuming town.
Captain Klutz: I cannot undestand why you are still asking about the Nexus-9 unless you have anti-town motive. atarus' info was based around the ability of investigators to spot the Nexus-9. As both of them are dead, and I doubt we have another, what's your line on this?
Cookies: I've looked through your posts and so many of them are based around the Guv'nor role and challenging Santo Rugger. However, when it comes to analysis and reasoning for your votes for other players, there is not much there. What's your analysis on the rest of the players in this game
Death by Irony There is not much in the way of posts from you, although I nuderstand you are busy. Aside from drainbead - who else do you think is scummy and why?
diggitcamara You are doing yourself no favours. If you are town, you analysis would be welcome, if you are scum, start posting so you can slip up. So - what do you think is going on diggit?
drainbead, I only suspected you were scummy, from your second vote on kassia. You had been the second vote on CIAS v.1 on Day 1. Looking at Roosh's list did not backup what I was thinking, so that's when I did all the analysis and found all the second votes going on. Yes, I still think you are scum, drainbead. And you said you had a roleclaim ready which seemed totally out of place. Care to explain?
More to follow later.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 12, 2007 10:04:49 GMT -5
Day 4.186 Cookies
Not being able to trust people applies to every topic, so I don't know why you are singling out this topic as particularly difficult in that respect.
And bemoaning the fact that you can't ask the moderator because your role PM does not mention the Nexus-9 looks off.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 12, 2007 10:20:23 GMT -5
Day 4.189 CatInASuit.v2
It very likely does have meaning to the town: if we know when the Nexus-9 is activated then we will be in a better position to determine if the reading on Rugger was accurate. That is why I am so keen to find out.
Since we have lost our investigators, any future activation is probably not relevant, but I think you will agree that the possibility of clearing one player is a worthwhile goal.
Also, what causes activation may give us important clues. For example take my guess above, in post 26, where the Nexus-9 needs to keep away from the scum boards. If that is the case then Night 3 was the first time the Nexus-9 would have visited the scum boards. Looking for players who seem to be acting slightly differently from Day 4 may be a useful avenue of investigation.
And in a more general sense, my feeling is the more we know about replicants, the better. I am sure they know far more than we do, so anything that can reduce the information gap is beneficial.
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