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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 3:38:46 GMT -5
@colby
They make the decision, and it is a decision they make when they like. I simply just release them forced servitude.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 3:40:20 GMT -5
Internet is pretty bad here. I don't necessarily believe Chronos Where are you? My provider will be down for the weekend (with no convenient alternative), supposedly to upgrade/repair his system ... thus beginning next week my Internet may get better. I also remain somewhat suspicious of Chronos. What was the basis for his "I have reason to believe we're the only Masons"? I think Swamm eri is town. I'm glad somebody does. Would you like to share details via PM? Do you need a soapstone? Though frankly I'm less eager to spend two soapstones on someone currently poised to go Hollow. ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wavey.png) Did you see my suggestion for possibly deflecting votes? (It required spending a soapstone, if you have no explanation for your peculiarish claim that you're willing to publish.) I'm in Australia, not exactly near major civilisation either. I will tell you, but I will not tell another - you are who I think is most town.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 3:43:09 GMT -5
I'll vote to save myself if I have to - but if I get lynched I won't mind too much.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 3:46:04 GMT -5
I will share one last point of info - covenants themself may offer recruitment. I am not the recruiter of twow (I would not have claimed anything if so) and there very well may not be one. But there are other covenants that offer recruitment for whatever end.
I would like to not be killed and believe I have the means to help twow as I believe in my role PM, they are automatically offered that recruitment, and any others if approached.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 3, 2014 6:23:29 GMT -5
"Find one another"? We already know who each other are. That's kind of the point of a masonry. swammerdami, my reasons for suspecting a single masonry are based in part on a communication from another mason, which I do not believe to be in Town's best interest to reveal at this time, and in part on the fact that, given the size of our masonry (which I also do not feel the need to reveal at this time), additional masons would make it extremely difficult to balance the game. And now that abstain has confirmed that his latest vote wasn't just a typo... If I weren't already voting for him, I'd almost be willing to vote just based on that post. He thinks that one person is "a fine vote", then votes for a different person, with no reason given for either, not even "I agree with so-and-so's arguments"? Would you like any maple syrup to go with that waffling? Oh, and this is the last post I'll have a chance to make before Nightfall, as I can't access Internet at work.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 6:52:31 GMT -5
I'm agreeing that Suburban is a decent vote, what exactly is wrong with that?
Or am I not allowed to pursue a different avenue?
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Post by sinjin on Jul 3, 2014 7:28:21 GMT -5
@colby They make the decision, and it is a decision they make when they like. I simply just release them forced servitude. What does this mean? Who exactly are in "forced servitude"? I will share one last point of info - covenants themself may offer recruitment. I am not the recruiter of twow (I would not have claimed anything if so) and there very well may not be one. But there are other covenants that offer recruitment for whatever end. I would like to not be killed and believe I have the means to help twow as I believe in my role PM, they are automatically offered that recruitment, and any others if approached. So you can't help anyone join TWOTW but you know other covenants can recruit. So essentially you are saying that you can release someone from their present covenant to join another covenant that is not TWOTW. How exactly is that supposed to help TWOTW? Internet is pretty bad here. I don't necessarily believe Chronos - his strategy doesn't make too much sense as a mason, and claiming mason doesn't mean too much, I've seen scum claim it d1 and I've done it d1 myself. However I will not put my vote there. Tarkus being a mason is interesting.... I think Swammer is town. Suburban is a fine vote to me. Unvote: sinjin Vote: colbyI believe the problem Chronos has with your colby vote is that it's tagged on at the end with no reasoning associated with it even though you mentioned that Surbuban is a fine vote. Very weird. Why are you so sure that Swammer is town? Two folks have said they can change covenants given certain conditions, Maha and Chronos, neither have mentioned they need a facilitator to do that. Your role seems useless to TWOTW. You seem scummier and scummier with every post. Vote: abstain
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Post by swammerdami on Jul 3, 2014 7:55:54 GMT -5
Abstain's role of recruitment facilitator, assuming it's true, could be a useful role for Town. And such a role would also be very "interesting" for a Townie if he needs to guess whether a recruitment attempt is to switch from hostile to non-hostile or vice versa. (Is that the case?)
A 3rd-party with that role would find it much less interesting -- a 3rd-party wouldn't care much whether a player switches or not.
And the role would be of much less relevance to Scum: a Scum recruitment facilitator would accept any applicant to Scum and reject, if that's an option, any defection attempt. Recall that recruitments to Town are quite "rare."
Thus, if the role exists at all, I think game designer would make it a Town role, much less likely a 3rd-party role, and extremely unlikely to be a Scum role. (I think it is quite valid to guess about the roles game designer creates.) This assumes abstain's role claim is true -- but it doesn't seem like a role to concoct as fiction.
Thus I believe abstain. I agree that the way he suspects Plankton but then votes Colby without reason is quite odd. But what is the Scum motive for it?
For these reasons I look with suspicion on those who keep their votes on abstain.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 3, 2014 8:03:19 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT - DUSK OF DAY ONE DRAWS NEAR
Abstain (5): dizzy, Chronos, peeker, Meeko, Colby, sinjin Chronos (3): Gnarlycharlie, Inner Stickler, bufftabby Suburban Plankton(3): Chameleon, MentalGuy, swammerdami Sinjin (1): Abstain Colby (1): abstain Meeko (1): guiri
Patricia's vote for texcat, obviously, does not count :-)
Day One will end at 12:30PM Eastern - or in around 3 and a half hours. If you have a Day action and wish to use it, you must do so by PM to me before that time.
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ANOTHER IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:
nesta has agreed to join the game in place of one of our missing players. By coin flip, nesta will assume Silver Jan's vacant role and I will continue looking for a sub for paulwhoisaghost. Everybody say hi to nesta, and have fun out there!
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Post by MentalGuy on Jul 3, 2014 8:21:59 GMT -5
Our masonry does not have a private board. I guess Storyteller figured that soapstones were good enough for that... though I do feel a bit inadequate having only one. Then again, though, I've seen masonries which had no private communication at all, and the main benefit of a masonry is just the knowledge that the other(s) are Town. I have to say I'm finding this a bit...odd. Perhaps once you find one another you will be able to freely communicate? You'd think that would be indicated in your role PM though. A Masonry that can't communicate except for a single message (presuming the others also only have one soapstone)? I guess anything is possible, but this is worth watching. While I don't trust Chronos 100%, I don't find the non-communication of masons odd. The few times I have been a mason, I have not been able to communicate with the others. The important part of a masonry is knowing who the others are, not being able to talk to them.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 8:49:01 GMT -5
I tire of defending myself against a group who will so easily lynch that which is clearly not a malicious third party if it is a third party and clearly not scum.
Why on earth would I EVER claim something like this as a hostile to town party? It is just stupid.
I'm chalking this down as one of the stupidest lynches of myself in quite some time.
I already mentioned in my previous posts some of my points against colby. I shouldn't have to remention things that he said again to stop myself being voted for. Nor should I be voted because I copied the text from another post instead of quoting it.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 8:55:57 GMT -5
@colby They make the decision, and it is a decision they make when they like. I simply just release them forced servitude. What does this mean? Who exactly are in "forced servitude"? it is a terrible analogy - look: player a is in covenant b, i do my thing, he suddenly has the ability to leave cov b for cov a (wotw) or cov c (if they've tried to recruit him afaik?) OR he can continue to be in cov b. I just give them an oppurtunity.I will share one last point of info - covenants themself may offer recruitment. I am not the recruiter of twow (I would not have claimed anything if so) and there very well may not be one. But there are other covenants that offer recruitment for whatever end. I would like to not be killed and believe I have the means to help twow as I believe in my role PM, they are automatically offered that recruitment, and any others if approached. So you can't help anyone join TWOTW but you know other covenants can recruit. So essentially you are saying that you can release someone from their present covenant to join another covenant that is not TWOTW. How exactly is that supposed to help TWOTW? NO! I can release them to join TWOTW OR another covenant that has attempted to recruit them. I release them from their vows but they can continue to volunteer.Internet is pretty bad here. I don't necessarily believe Chronos - his strategy doesn't make too much sense as a mason, and claiming mason doesn't mean too much, I've seen scum claim it d1 and I've done it d1 myself. However I will not put my vote there. Tarkus being a mason is interesting.... I think Swammer is town. Suburban is a fine vote to me. Unvote: sinjin Vote: colbyI believe the problem Chronos has with your colby vote is that it's tagged on at the end with no reasoning associated with it even though you mentioned that Surbuban is a fine vote. Very weird. Why are you so sure that Swammer is town? Two folks have said they can change covenants given certain conditions, Maha and Chronos, neither have mentioned they need a facilitator to do that. Your role seems useless to TWOTW. You seem scummier and scummier with every post. Vote: abstainI agreed sub was a fine vote, I voted colby for the posts he had made previous and he playing style so far, etc.
I think swammer is town because of what he has posted. Simple.
ooooh two roles don't need me, doesn't mean others don't. you don't know of others don't just assume they are the only two. stupid to base a vote of an assumption like that.Sinjin has only gotten worse in my opinion. The above vote/post is very bad.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 8:57:03 GMT -5
Unvote: colby Vote: suburban plankton
for pure self pres.
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Post by abstain on Jul 3, 2014 9:00:14 GMT -5
I'm a terrible explainer, I know that. Sorry.
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Post by texcat on Jul 3, 2014 9:04:41 GMT -5
Vote count
Abstain(6): dizzy[23], Chronos[33], peeker[52], Meeko[72], Colby[96], sinjin[186] Suburban Plankton(4): Chameleon[119], MentalGuy[149], swammerdami[161], Abstain[192] Chronos(3): Gnarlycharlie[50], cookies[59-147], MentalGuy[74-149], Inner Stickler[80], bufftabby[134] Meeko(1): Guiri[150] Paulwhoisaghost(0): swammerdami[53-142] swammerdami(0): Suburban[108-157] Colby(0): swammerdami[142-161], Abstain[168-192] Sinjin(0): Abstain[5-168]
Day will end at 12:30PM Eastern time on Thursday, July 3. About 2 1/2 hours from now.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 3, 2014 9:38:03 GMT -5
Here's my problem with abstain:
I think his claimed role is perfectly plausible. Though I think it could as easily be Third-Party as Town, it doesn't sound to me like a role for a Hostile player. And the manner in which he's defending himself comes across as 'frustrated Townie' more than 'clever Scum'. But that being said, he almost seems to be going out of his way to get people to vote for him. He still hasn't provided any reasoning behind any of his votes: sinjin was 'random', Colby was 'because he thinks Colby is Scum', and the vote on me was 'for pure self preservation'. He's come right out and told us that he doesn't mind too much if he gets lynched.
I think abstain is trying to get himself lynched, presumably in order to activate some sort of ability that he has which requires him to be Hollowed. That makes me uneasy; it makes me suspect that his powers are not entirely benign...though I suppose there's no particular reason why a Town player couldn't have such a power...so I'm torn when it comes to whether or not I'd like to see him lynched Today.
I con't have a problem believing Chronos' description of his Mason role. A Masonry without private communication is I think somewhat unusual around here, but by no means unheard of. I'm not prepared to write Chronos' name down in ink in the 'Town' column just yet, but I'm content to have him around for a while.
I'm pretty sure there are Scum hiding out on the abstain and Chronos trains, but I don't have a good feel for who they might be. None of the arguments being made are particularly strong, but they all hold up well enough for Day 1. I also wouldn't be surprised to find Scum voting for me, as the 'late-arriving third viable candidate'. Of the votes against me I dislike Chameleon's the most, but at this point, I'm going to counter abstain's self-preservation vote with one of my own.
vote: abstain
I'm not sure what his game is, and I'm not sure if lynching him is the best thing for the Town, but I'm pretty sure it's better than lynching me. If I weren't standing at the bottom of the gallows steps myself, I'd vote for Chameleon at this point, for being a hypocrite with her own vote. I'm also keeping one eye on peeker, who doesn't seem quite 'himself' so far this game. Perhaps his playstyle has changed, but something just seems 'off' about him here.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 3, 2014 9:51:21 GMT -5
Beg pardon? And what about my strategy doesn't make sense as a mason? Looking for anti-Town behavior isn't my Mason strategy; it's my strategy no matter what my role. I mean, I won't vote for my fellow mason(s) even if they do anti-Town things, but I figured that part was too obvious to need mentioning. But then how will you punish them for their anti-Town play? I notice you haven't responded to any of the points I raised against you. You claim Mason, but I'm not really seeing any Townieness on your part, and you don't seem to be interested in changing that. I have a hard time believing that masons wouldn't have their own sideboard and would only have one PM soapstone, especially when a role like Mahaloth's comes with unlimited soapstones. Mason seems like an awfully convenient claim for anti-Town in a game with multiple factions.
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Post by guiri on Jul 3, 2014 10:03:06 GMT -5
Beg pardon? And what about my strategy doesn't make sense as a mason? Looking for anti-Town behavior isn't my Mason strategy; it's my strategy no matter what my role. I mean, I won't vote for my fellow mason(s) even if they do anti-Town things, but I figured that part was too obvious to need mentioning. But then how will you punish them for their anti-Town play? I notice you haven't responded to any of the points I raised against you. You claim Mason, but I'm not really seeing any Townieness on your part, and you don't seem to be interested in changing that. I have a hard time believing that masons wouldn't have their own sideboard and would only have one PM soapstone, especially when a role like Mahaloth's comes with unlimited soapstones. Mason seems like an awfully convenient claim for anti-Town in a game with multiple factions. How many games have played where you were a mason with no access to a dedicate board? At least one I know of. Why would you say this when it's happened to you???
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Post by Hal Briston on Jul 3, 2014 10:04:56 GMT -5
Well, fuckittyfuck. I was just doing my weekly "ok, let me go through the dozens of browser tabs I have open and close out the ones I don't need". And that's when I remembered I was in a Mafia game. ![:-*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/smack.gif) I see I have about 90 minutes to read through and get in a vote -- hopefully the baby stays asleep! No promises, except to be more active going forward.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 3, 2014 10:15:59 GMT -5
But then how will you punish them for their anti-Town play? I notice you haven't responded to any of the points I raised against you. You claim Mason, but I'm not really seeing any Townieness on your part, and you don't seem to be interested in changing that. I have a hard time believing that masons wouldn't have their own sideboard and would only have one PM soapstone, especially when a role like Mahaloth's comes with unlimited soapstones. Mason seems like an awfully convenient claim for anti-Town in a game with multiple factions. How many games have played where you were a mason with no access to a dedicate board? At least one I know of. Why would you say this when it's happened to you??? How many games have you played in that allow this much PMing between players and yet don't have a mason board, or any additional soapstones for PMing fellow Masons? I've played far more games where masons *did* have a dedicated board, but other games are neither here nor there. It seems unlikely to me in *this* game that Masons would have no additional ability to communicate.
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Post by guiri on Jul 3, 2014 10:51:23 GMT -5
How many games have played where you were a mason with no access to a dedicate board? At least one I know of. Why would you say this when it's happened to you??? How many games have you played in that allow this much PMing between players and yet don't have a mason board, or any additional soapstones for PMing fellow Masons? I've played far more games where masons *did* have a dedicated board, but other games are neither here nor there. It seems unlikely to me in *this* game that Masons would have no additional ability to communicate. Requiring players to pay to communicate is more reason to limit mason off-board communications.
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Post by nesta on Jul 3, 2014 11:03:47 GMT -5
Hello everyone. It seems I'm the sub for Silver Jan. It's too bad she wasn't able to play, but I'm glad I get a chance to.
I've been following along, so I'm not quite coming in cold. I've been reading in spectator mode rather than player mode, however, so I need to do a re-read and pay more attention to who it was that said what.
I'm surprised abstain hasn't full claimed yet. I guess since he won't actually be dead after the lynch he hasn't felt the need. I also share Suburban Plankton's feeling that there's something off about his play Today, as if he knew he was setting himself up for a lynch.
He's most likely going to be lynched regardless of my vote, but since I don't have time for a re-read before Day end, and as a spectator I've been agreeing that he should probably be lynched, I'll:
Vote: abstain
(I also wanted to try out the vote mechanism here since I haven't played on this board in years. On preview I can't get the vote tags to work, so I'll just post and see if it works then. Also, someone mentioned mandatory spaces? I stuck some spaces in, but can someone enlighten me on exactly how the vote tags work?)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 3, 2014 11:46:46 GMT -5
Day is over. Night to come shortly.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 9, 2014 18:15:10 GMT -5
wrong Day
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Post by nesta on Jul 10, 2014 10:50:35 GMT -5
I don't understand guiri's problem with Mahaloth. If the spam is annoying, scroll past it. If anything, Mahaloth and his claim are one of the few things driving discussion. guiri wanting to get rid of Mahaloth would make sense if he's the other merchant, but this exchange Yesterday seems strange: I'm not a recruiter, I can't make anyone do anything. But I can allow people to leave their covenant however they make the choice to leave. Can you release Swammer's from his covenant? Am I missing something? Did Swammer declare a certain covenant? Is there a reason you think abstain knows Swammerdami's covenant? Hmm, no, I meant Mahaloth, but still, you're the only one to notice the mistake, I'm sure Swammer will appreciate the attention. I'll ask again though: @ abstain, can you allow Mahaloth to leave his covenant? guiri says he was asking if abstain could release Mahaloth, but confused him with Swammi. If guiri is the other merchent, I would think he would be paying a little more attention to the name of his competitor. Vote: guiri
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Post by nesta on Jul 10, 2014 10:51:25 GMT -5
Oops, wrong day. ![:-*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/smack.gif)
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