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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 17, 2014 11:18:18 GMT -5
Dark Souls 2 Day Two – Majula at Dawn The Chosen undead makes its way back to Majula, now in possession of the soul of the Last Giant and well-armed for the many battles to come. When it arrives, it is greeted by the small circle of warriors and mages and thieves, still no smaller than when it began. One among them staggers in, looking considerably weaker and less… let’s call it physically cohesive.
Guiri is now HOLLOW.
But when patricia arrives, there is another surprise; she appears to be feeling much better – not hardly dead at all!
Patricia is once again HUMAN.
Whatever other activities the assemblage may – or may not – have been pursuing during that first Night in Majula, there was no obvious evidence of them. The Chosen Undead set about resting and re-provisioning itself, as it set its sight on the strange stone archway at the north end of Town; the rest of the group gathered to discuss which of them would be making a long trip down to the ocean before they followed.
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Day Two begins here, and will end at approximately 12:30PM Eastern time on Thursday, August 21. There will be no further extensions to Night or Day except in extraordinary circumstances.
As a general note: fewer than half of the players eligible to use powers on Day/Night One actually chose to do so. As on our first attempt, the game will not function if folks are not playing it.
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Post by guiri on Aug 17, 2014 11:43:03 GMT -5
Ouch, not nice.
Patricia, what can you tell us about the poison and your current human state?
Meeko, I don't know what to make of your claim but I don't plan on playing "nit pick the rules".
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 17, 2014 12:29:39 GMT -5
Guiri, what can you tell us about your current hollow state?
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Post by guiri on Aug 17, 2014 13:03:35 GMT -5
Guiri, what can you tell us about your current hollow state? It appears I was attacked during the Night, I received this at Dawn: [...]You have been hollowed, meaning you lose half of your remaining souls (rounded down) (-[redacted] souls) You are now HOLLOW, and the Hollow version of your power now applies. You also have only [redacted] souls remaining.
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 17, 2014 16:29:33 GMT -5
Ah, it's unfortunate that there's no further details about who/what hollowed you.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 17, 2014 17:17:20 GMT -5
It's sad to see such low participation in Storyteller's interesting game. It's daytime in North America yet only two Players other than myself have posted. Since I'm just a Survivor, I'm like a kibitzer (though I am strongly rooting for Town). Can we at least have some meta-discussion? In balancing a game with these mechanics what are the relative values of tools? How many soapstones is a Soul worth, for example? Pondering these questions, I reached only one trivial conclusion. An orange soapstone isn't worth much more than a white soapstone, and is likely worth less! Here's why: In the last game Chronos and Mahaloth were both quickly outed as semi-trustworthy agents. I think Chronos the Town Mason could be trusted to relay any message he got, preceded with "someone told me ..." Thus, assuming the messenger trusted either Chronos or Mahaloth, in that example, he could broadcast with a white soapstone as well as an orange soapstone. In fact the white message would be better: A message generated could be posted immediately rather than waiting for End of Day or End of Night. Yes, the orange soapstone would be better in some conditions (for example, Day 2 of this game where no(*) trustworthy person has emerged), but on balance I'd think an orange soapstone may be worth only slightly more than a white soapstone. What do others think? (* - I suppose guiri is likely to be non-Scum, since there was only a single Kill last Night. Unless Scum have an option to replace their Night-Kill with a Humanization of scummy Patricia -- but that seems too farfetched to use as hypothesis.) The question about soapstone value may be irrelevant and almost silly but any discussion is better than none. (If I were storyteller I'd be getting angry and sad at the low participation.) I'm going to wait to hear from Patricia and watch the reactions before voting. No "penalty for delay of game", right?
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Post by sinjin on Aug 17, 2014 17:56:00 GMT -5
I would like to here more from Patricia about the circumstances of her poisoning and the subsequent un-poisoning and un-hollowing.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 17, 2014 19:59:15 GMT -5
"fewer than half of the players eligible to use powers on Day/Night One actually chose to do so."
It seems Story expects folk to use powers often/frequently, rather than horde them - which seems to imply that powers are multi-use - if not, why would you use a limited power on d1/n1 when you knew nothing.
With 17 players, and swammi and meeko claiming to be effectively powerless, "less than half" would be 7 or less (if the remaining 15 could all act).
So we have five possible actions on D1/N1
D1: Someone poisoned Patricia (no verification) N1: Someone attacked Guiri N1: Someone neutralised Patricia's claimed poisoning N1: Someone un-hollowed Patricia ?1: I did something, not one of the above.
So that leaves up to 2 other actions that did happen.
I seem to recall peeker making some comment about this in the aftermath of the original game - once a scum was hollowed they were basically doomed; so I personally would not rule out scum having the ability to unhollow someone.
patricia would have been the obvious target for a scum kill - already hollowed - but also claiming to have been poisoned scum could have been expecting her dead anyway, and thus went after guiri
after a quick re-read of D1, i think I'll Vote: Vote: Gnarly
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 17, 2014 21:48:01 GMT -5
Bill, could you explain why you are voting for Gnarly?
If most players powers require spending souls, then I can understand why they might not want to use them yet.
Also, I don't remember swammi claiming to be effectively powerless. He said his power was slight and would not necessarily help his survival, but it sounds like he could have taken an action last Night.
I am still somewhat suspicious of patricia. We have no proof she was actually poisoned. I assume poisoning would be a scum action, but if it were done by a third party, someone might have a power where they could not only restore someone's humanity, but also remove effects like poison. This could possibly be a scum power.
That said, I really don't see why she would have fake claimed being poisoned. So, for now, I am looking elsewhere for scum.
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Post by abstain on Aug 17, 2014 21:58:31 GMT -5
Sorry, I missed the end of D1.
I'll do a quick reread, but poison changed from DS1 to DS2, in the first it was pretty lethal in the early game, often requiring you to use all your estus flasks (healing) to counteract the poison before it ran out but as you gained more health, it became increasingly ineffective. They changed this in DS2 so that it always does 100% of your health no matter what stage of the game, so you had to heal at least once to not die.
Poison leads me to believe the rat covenant is in the game as the boon you get from joining that covenant is extra poison damage on the weapon.
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Post by patricia on Aug 17, 2014 22:28:07 GMT -5
I would like to here more from Patricia about the circumstances of her poisoning and the subsequent un-poisoning and un-hollowing. I have not been un-poisoned and I still need to be un-poisoned or I will die Day Three. I have bought myself some more time by using my own souls and power to un-hollow myself for one day and night. Per my PM from story I need to find a way to become Human again on Day three for the poisoning to be fully cured. If I can't I die Day Three. I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night however I don't have enough souls to use that power again. I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting?
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Post by sinjin on Aug 18, 2014 4:45:01 GMT -5
I would like to here more from Patricia about the circumstances of her poisoning and the subsequent un-poisoning and un-hollowing. I have not been un-poisoned and I still need to be un-poisoned or I will die Day Three. I have bought myself some more time by using my own souls and power to un-hollow myself for one day and night. Per my PM from story I need to find a way to become Human again on Day three for the poisoning to be fully cured. If I can't I die Day Three. I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night however I don't have enough souls to use that power again. I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting? So when you posted this last night it was just for a bit of drama? I wanted to stop by and say farewell - as it wasn't enough for me to be hollow day one I was also poisoned! I guess I may have a small hope the person who could cure me may show up before the end of this night. But with the total lack of posts and posters that seem unlikely. Storyteller, this seem to be a great setup and I for one I'm sorry to see such a lack of active players.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 18, 2014 5:59:33 GMT -5
I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting? I'm getting such freezes right now. I wonder if it's due to the fancy new message-board interface? (I liked the old interface much better, but coders do like to twiddle. ) So when you posted this last night it was just for a bit of drama? Assuming Patricia is truthful, I think if she's a Townie, she might post just as she did. She does want to be unpoisoned, after all. Do you see it differently? There have been so many times I've played and found Patricia scummy right off the bat that I'm reluctant to vote for her because it seems to just be her play style. I've also been right when I found her scummy and no one else did, so everyone finding her scummy also makes me wonder. However, she does seem the most questionable so far, play style or not. So if I take the meta-game feelings out of it I guess I'm left with: Vote: Patricia This post pinged me a little. She's apologetic about jumping on a bandwagon and, with the part I've underlined, suggests that she suspects Patricia despite that others do also! It reminds me of The lady doth protest too much, methinks [...]You have been hollowed, meaning you lose half of your remaining souls (rounded down) (-[redacted] souls) Is this a leak that you started with an odd number of Souls? More metagame musing: I've always thought that Mafia games should be designed with incentives to vote, just to break paralysis. Storykeeper has done that in this game! YesterDay, BillMc voted early and may have profited for doing so. Yet almost a day has passed and no one has cast a vote yet toDay. There's no penalty for voting, folks! I'll place an early vote on the basis of afore-mentioned ping: Vote: Chameleon
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Post by patricia on Aug 18, 2014 7:11:06 GMT -5
I have not been un-poisoned and I still need to be un-poisoned or I will die Day Three. I have bought myself some more time by using my own souls and power to un-hollow myself for one day and night. Per my PM from story I need to find a way to become Human again on Day three for the poisoning to be fully cured. If I can't I die Day Three. I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night however I don't have enough souls to use that power again. I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting? So when you posted this last night it was just for a bit of drama? I wanted to stop by and say farewell - as it wasn't enough for me to be hollow day one I was also poisoned! I guess I may have a small hope the person who could cure me may show up before the end of this night. But with the total lack of posts and posters that seem unlikely. Storyteller, this seem to be a great setup and I for one I'm sorry to see such a lack of active players. At the time I had posted the "Drama" I hadn't heard back from Story about using my power on myself and I have only bought myself one day/night to live past today I still need to be un poisoned or made human again on Day Three (Recruitment would also save me but that is not a option I would take as I would rather die then switch to the scum team willingly) So if anyone can help me I need to be un-poisoned or un-hollowed on day three to live
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Post by patricia on Aug 18, 2014 7:13:23 GMT -5
I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting? I'm getting such freezes right now. I wonder if it's due to the fancy new message-board interface? (I liked the old interface much better, but coders do like to twiddle. ) So when you posted this last night it was just for a bit of drama? Assuming Patricia is truthful, I think if she's a Townie, she might post just as she did. She does want to be unpoisoned, after all. Do you see it differently? There have been so many times I've played and found Patricia scummy right off the bat that I'm reluctant to vote for her because it seems to just be her play style. I've also been right when I found her scummy and no one else did, so everyone finding her scummy also makes me wonder. However, she does seem the most questionable so far, play style or not. So if I take the meta-game feelings out of it I guess I'm left with: Vote: Patricia This post pinged me a little. She's apologetic about jumping on a bandwagon and, with the part I've underlined, suggests that she suspects Patricia despite that others do also! It reminds me of The lady doth protest too much, methinks Is this a leak that you started with an odd number of Souls? More metagame musing: I've always thought that Mafia games should be designed with incentives to vote, just to break paralysis. Storykeeper has done that in this game! YesterDay, BillMc voted early and may have profited for doing so. Yet almost a day has passed and no one has cast a vote yet toDay. There's no penalty for voting, folks! I'll place an early vote on the basis of afore-mentioned ping: Vote: ChameleonYes, early voting pays off as Bill got half of my souls but as I "think" we are on the same team it is ok - Fun thing about that is if I had those souls still I could unhollow Guiri today or myself tomorrow
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Post by sinjin on Aug 18, 2014 10:05:28 GMT -5
Patricia: Is it a slow acting poison? Why do you "think" Bill is on your side?
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Post by patricia on Aug 18, 2014 11:11:11 GMT -5
Patricia: Is it a slow acting poison? Why do you "think" Bill is on your side? It is either a slow acting poison or a poison that only kills hollow players - I'm not sure As for why I "think" Bill is town. If he was scum and he got souls from me yesterday - it would seem like he would want the sure thing of making me the scum kill so he or one of his teammates could receive the rest of my souls. - Instead of hollowing Guiri and hoping he had more souls then I did or any at all for that matter. Of course this goes out the window if the scum team also poisoned me to kill me slowly and then also hollowed Guiri
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Post by sinjin on Aug 18, 2014 11:42:01 GMT -5
When did you receive notification that you were poisoned?
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 18, 2014 12:17:03 GMT -5
Well, I remain totally unconvinced by everything patrica has said. I have no particular evidence proving my feeling, but it is my feeling.
Vote patricia
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 18, 2014 15:11:41 GMT -5
Moving kassia to Berkeley today, but I'm reading.
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Post by guiri on Aug 18, 2014 15:18:24 GMT -5
Ah, it's unfortunate that there's no further details about who/what hollowed you. While absolutely true, what a strange thing to say. @swammer, I agree about Chameleon, they give reasons for not voting but then go ahead anyway. I have no idea how, if it's even possible, to balance a game with soapstones. While I suspect I was attacked by scum, there's no reason to discount the possibility of other foiled attacks and, with every player (except Meeko apparently) having a power, certainly no reason to believe that my attack and Patricia's I hollowing are mutually exclusive. @chameleon, what did you understand about Meeko's role in relation to the stated rules? @bill, I hope @gnarly acknowledges your vote, I find his lack of engagement entirely anti-game. Since powers require souls, and souls are in limited supply, I can see why a player may choose not to use their power on Night 1. Do you have information about Patricia's alignment to share? MentalGuy, I presume you are looking elsewhere as you expect Patricia to die of poisoning, right? Mahaloth, do you not even believe the claim that Patricia was poisoned? patricia, are you claiming that the poison takes two day/night cycles to take effect? Can you post the PMs you received? Can you unhollow yourself again? What makes you think that only the scum team can recruit you? Or have you been informed that recruitment by the scum team would heal you?
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 18, 2014 16:16:19 GMT -5
Ah, it's unfortunate that there's no further details about who/what hollowed you. While absolutely true, what a strange thing to say. Given that you asked Patricia what she could "tell us about the poison and your current human state", I was hopeful that you yourself would have some additional info about your own situation. Since we didn't get any info on Patricia's alignment due to her survival, I found it disappointing that you also don't have any info about your hollowing and your current hollow state.
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 18, 2014 16:50:39 GMT -5
Mahaloth, do you not even believe the claim that Patricia was poisoned? Sorry, I do believe that or at least think it's pretty likely to be true. I just don't believe anything she has said lowers her from the top of my suspect list and I see no reason not to place the vote right back. I can move it any time I suspect someone more.
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 18, 2014 16:51:43 GMT -5
And in my above post, my quotes got all mixed up. My writing began with "Sorry...." and I was only quoting guiri, who asked me.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 18, 2014 20:56:12 GMT -5
There have been so many times I've played and found Patricia scummy right off the bat that I'm reluctant to vote for her because it seems to just be her play style. I've also been right when I found her scummy and no one else did, so everyone finding her scummy also makes me wonder. However, she does seem the most questionable so far, play style or not. So if I take the meta-game feelings out of it I guess I'm left with: Vote: Patricia This post pinged me a little. She's apologetic about jumping on a bandwagon and, with the part I've underlined, suggests that she suspects Patricia despite that others do also! It reminds me of The lady doth protest too much, methinks I feel like you've misunderstood what I said. My comments here were meta - based on other games I've played. I was trying to say that I have felt differently about Patricia than others in previous games (and I was right), so the fact that many players were suspicious of her in this game made me wonder if I shouldn't be. However I agreed with the reasons people were voting for her here and I didn't want to vote for meta reasons. I always feel bad about voting anyone, especially early in the game, which is why I explained everything as I did.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 18, 2014 21:11:17 GMT -5
@chameleon, what did you understand about Meeko's role in relation to the stated rules? Last Night I pondered on whether or not he might be a merchant (no actionable powers per se, but the ability to sell or trade). He also made a point of breadcrumbing which made me wonder if he wanted people to contact him. But then I decided since we supposedly don't have any transferable abilities that merchants might be unlikely in this game. I feel like it might be as Story explained - that the rules are somewhat open to interpretation.
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 18, 2014 21:43:22 GMT -5
MentalGuy, I presume you are looking elsewhere as you expect Patricia to die of poisoning, right? Yes, I am looking elsewhere, though I have been busy (just moved my oldest son off to college for the first time). I am okay with the votes on Chameleon. I am wondering about Meeko, though. Story seemed to implicitly confirm that he has no powers or abilities saying that it was really just a no vanilla game. If Meeko has no powers or abilities and is Town, that would make him vanilla. It seems to me that Meeko is likely a third party of some sort. I would like to hear more about his role. Vote: MeekoI may very well change my vote after I hear more, but right now, I would not object to a Meeko lynch.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 18, 2014 23:05:01 GMT -5
MentalGuy, I presume you are looking elsewhere as you expect Patricia to die of poisoning, right? Yes, I am looking elsewhere, though I have been busy (just moved my oldest son off to college for the first time). I am okay with the votes on Chameleon. I am wondering about Meeko, though. Story seemed to implicitly confirm that he has no powers or abilities saying that it was really just a no vanilla game. If Meeko has no powers or abilities and is Town, that would make him vanilla. It seems to me that Meeko is likely a third party of some sort. I would like to hear more about his role. Vote: MeekoI may very well change my vote after I hear more, but right now, I would not object to a Meeko lynch. I'm curious as to what my defense is here.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 3:31:56 GMT -5
Vote: Patricia
I'm trying to conceive where we are in the game. The title of this section might say that we are on "Day Two", but trust me, we aren't. No, I'm not speaking to some inside information, nor am I violating the temporal prime directive. I'm simply stating that confusion has been deliberately sewn into the game. What do we know now, that we didn't know from the start of the game? What do we absolutely, positively, know, and can move off from?
NOTHING.
We are no better off than we were at Night 0.
This would help scum. This would hurt town. Scum get to reset the clock, and watch town say too much. For all I know, Swammerdami just opened a Red Herring business.
All we have is static. We need signal. (God help me, I hear echoes of Chronos' voting program here.)
I take that back. There is one thing that is not currently in debate.
BillMc reminds us of the extension Night 1 had, due to "less than half" of all players able to act last night did so.
Scum pretty much is forced to act at night, and if they had better communication that what Peeker and I had for the last game, they would have done so.
I'm betting that scum not only brought Patricia back to human, but also sent Guiri down to hollow.
I'm betting that over on the scum board, at least two scum argued over who was going to do what. ... I would not be surprised if they also established some chain of command / veto power / checks and balances.
I'm betting that one of those people arguing was Patricia.
I'm betting they had to argue over which move would be safer for Patricia to make.
I'm betting they changed the "who does what" order at the last minute (relatively speaking.)
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Post by patricia on Aug 19, 2014 7:10:32 GMT -5
When did you receive notification that you were poisoned? I'm going to post the PM I got from Story about the poisoning - I'm removing only the number of souls, However, Bill has this information as he received the half I lost. But first, I see Meeko has gone down a rabbit hole again. Meeko why do you think I'm scum? I have already said I un-hollowed myself and that I would do so again If I had the souls to do so. I have been working by myself to save myself. Do you really think I'm scum and have teammates? If so why was I lynch with just 7 votes? I don't think anyone else received more than a one off vote - so where did the scum team vote? On me would be my guess or they didn't vote at all or maybe they voted one off who knows but do you really think I have teammates? I wish, As I have been lynched and poisoned already and It is only day two. I will die tomorrow if I can't find a way to un-hollow myself again or cure the poison and even if I can/do live past the poison - I'm still going to be hollow. Meeko your vote on me makes less sense than Mahaloth's totally lazy revote on me. He was my first choice of scum today but till you explain your vote I'm happy to vote you. Vote: Meeko and here is the PM - good luck with understanding how I go about getting un poisoned. Aug 14 2014 at 4:07pm Quote Well, the news is mostly bad. You have been lynched, so you are now Hollow, and the version of your power marked Hollow now applies. You have lost (X) souls to your first voter, so you now have only (X) remaining. But it gets worse: independently of your lynch, you have been poisoned. Unless you become Human before then, you will die at Dusk of Day 2 (if you are Human by then, you'll be Hollowed then and die at Dusk of Day 3. Should you manage to become Human a second time before then, you'll be Hollowed one last time and then the poison will have run its course. But at least you're not dead, right? upon another reread of this PM - Maybe there is no one to cure the poison maybe you just need to be human until it runs it course- Now if that is the case it make sense that I was poisoned as I was the only hollow player - so maybe Guiri is next to be poisoned.
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