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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 19, 2014 7:48:10 GMT -5
Bill, could you explain why you are voting for Gnarly? If most players powers require spending souls, then I can understand why they might not want to use them yet. Also, I don't remember swammi claiming to be effectively powerless. He said his power was slight and would not necessarily help his survival, but it sounds like he could have taken an action last Night. I am still somewhat suspicious of patricia. We have no proof she was actually poisoned. I assume poisoning would be a scum action, but if it were done by a third party, someone might have a power where they could not only restore someone's humanity, but also remove effects like poison. This could possibly be a scum power. That said, I really don't see why she would have fake claimed being poisoned. So, for now, I am looking elsewhere for scum. i'd like to know too. Bill doesn't usually suspect me and one of the last times he did, he was scum. I would like to here more from Patricia about the circumstances of her poisoning and the subsequent un-poisoning and un-hollowing. I have not been un-poisoned and I still need to be un-poisoned or I will die Day Three. I have bought myself some more time by using my own souls and power to un-hollow myself for one day and night. Per my PM from story I need to find a way to become Human again on Day three for the poisoning to be fully cured. If I can't I die Day Three. I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night however I don't have enough souls to use that power again. I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting? i wasn't suspicious of you on D1 but now i am. at first i wondered who would have made you human again when several players voted for you and those who didn't vote for you didn't really defend you either. then, you said that you "saved" yourself which at first sounds reasonable. but i wonder what kind of power you have when you're human. your power is pretty powerful while hollow. what the heck would your regular power be if that's your neutered version? Vote: patricia
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 19, 2014 10:38:51 GMT -5
The way Patricia's power reads (to me) is that her lesser power is that her healing is only temporary. Probably if she was at full strength, she could heal it completely.
I think the poison should do its work if she is scum.... Which seems unlikely since people are pushing for her lynch again......
Going to do some reading, be back later with a vote, hopefully
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 10:59:36 GMT -5
When did you receive notification that you were poisoned? I'm going to post the PM I got from Story about the poisoning - I'm removing only the number of souls, However, Bill has this information as he received the half I lost. But first, I see Meeko has gone down a rabbit hole again. Meeko why do you think I'm scum? I have already said I un-hollowed myself and that I would do so again If I had the souls to do so. I have been working by myself to save myself. Do you really think I'm scum and have teammates? If so why was I lynch with just 7 votes? I don't think anyone else received more than a one off vote - so where did the scum team vote? On me would be my guess or they didn't vote at all or maybe they voted one off who knows but do you really think I have teammates? I wish, As I have been lynched and poisoned already and It is only day two. I will die tomorrow if I can't find a way to un-hollow myself again or cure the poison and even if I can/do live past the poison - I'm still going to be hollow. Meeko your vote on me makes less sense than Mahaloth's totally lazy revote on me. He was my first choice of scum today but till you explain your vote I'm happy to vote you. Vote: Meeko and here is the PM - good luck with understanding how I go about getting un poisoned. Aug 14 2014 at 4:07pm Quote Well, the news is mostly bad. You have been lynched, so you are now Hollow, and the version of your power marked Hollow now applies. You have lost (X) souls to your first voter, so you now have only (X) remaining. But it gets worse: independently of your lynch, you have been poisoned. Unless you become Human before then, you will die at Dusk of Day 2 (if you are Human by then, you'll be Hollowed then and die at Dusk of Day 3. Should you manage to become Human a second time before then, you'll be Hollowed one last time and then the poison will have run its course. But at least you're not dead, right? upon another reread of this PM - Maybe there is no one to cure the poison maybe you just need to be human until it runs it course- Now if that is the case it make sense that I was poisoned as I was the only hollow player - so maybe Guiri is next to be poisoned. I'm not sure what I didn't already explain.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 19, 2014 11:06:32 GMT -5
I have already said I un-hollowed myself and that I would do so again If I had the souls to do so. I have been working by myself to save myself. Do you really think I'm scum and have teammates? If so why was I lynch with just 7 votes? "You have been lynched, so you are now Hollow, and the version of your power marked Hollow now applies. You have lost (X) souls to your first voter, so you now have only (X) remaining. But it gets worse: independently of your lynch, you have been poisoned." So, a Poisoner targetted Patricia the same Day 1 she was Lynched? And based on her claim, unless someone comes to her rescue, she's doomed to die anyway, despite her re-humanization last Night. If this is correct the only good reasons to Lynch her are (1) Can't find any other likely Scum. (2) So Mahaloth gets some of her Souls for his 1st vote. (And the PM phrasing makes me suspect Patricia started with an even number of souls, Guiri with an odd number. Too bad that info is almost useless.) I think the poison should do its work if she is scum.... Which seems unlikely since people are pushing for her lynch again...... Odds are Patricia is not Scum, I think, but I don't know about this argument. What were the team sizes last game? Weren't there two 2-Player Hostile teams or such, rather than a single 4-player Scum team? That would make it much harder to get information from the voting record. If Patricia is Scum and has only one or two teammates, the teammate(s) may let her fall rather than making a suspicionable vote. I don't know whether Patricia should do a full claim now or not bother. The vote is very lop-sided now.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 13:07:48 GMT -5
I feel like I'm just treading water here.
And to be sure, that was not a breadcrumb. That's really how I feel about this game fit now.
Patricia I fully explained my vote to you, and everyone else. There was a passing FOS at Swammerdami to be sure, but if I have any "benefit of the doubt" to give, it goes to him over you.
MentalGuy I am waiting for a response back from you. I don't know how to rebut what you have said. You asked to "hear more", yet I think you are asking everyone else and not me, directly. Was there anything I could speak to?
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 13:13:17 GMT -5
Cookies are you back active here?
I'm not sure what to say about Cookies. I mean, they had a nice run up and until this whole Gluten Free situation .....
Oh. OH.
Yeah, no, uh, ..... What comes after Finger of suspicion? Death Stare of suspicion? "Eye Daggers" of doom?
E.D.O.D. on Cookies but I think she hit the nail on the head, that we probably null tell each other to death. I think I suspect her more though.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 13:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by guiri on Aug 19, 2014 16:45:33 GMT -5
While absolutely true, what a strange thing to say. Given that you asked Patricia what she could "tell us about the poison and your current human state", I was hopeful that you yourself would have some additional info about your own situation. Since we didn't get any info on Patricia's alignment due to her survival, I found it disappointing that you also don't have any info about your hollowing and your current hollow state. Meh, OK, you seemed to expect the mod to have told me who or what attacked me, something that would be game-breaking in a usual mafia game. And in my above post, my quotes got all mixed up. My writing began with "Sorry...." and I was only quoting guiri, who asked me. Meh, OK, it's just cause we may as well look elsewhere for scum while the poison takes its effect. However I agreed with the reasons people were voting for her here and I didn't want to vote for meta reasons. I thought your meta reasons were telling you not to vote her! I always feel bad about voting anyone, especially early in the game, which is why I explained everything as I did. But apparently you don't feel bad about attacking someone, especially early on the game, like you were seen doing to me, last Night. Vote ChameleonI have been informed that Chameleon was seen visiting me last Night, a watcher saw a single person, I would prefer to keep the watcher's identity a secret for now. I entertained the thought that Chameleon might be a misguided townie rather than scum but he has not done anything to support that possibility. It seems to me that Meeko is likely a third party of some sort. I would like to hear more about his role. I second this request. I'm betting that one of those people arguing was Patricia. I'm betting they had to argue over which move would be safer for Patricia to make. I'm betting they changed the "who does what" order at the last minute (relatively speaking.) I sit amazed at how much detail you've thought this through, did they type in all caps too? Bold? Patricia, looking at your PM, is is possible your power is the only antidote to the poison? It implies that the cure is to become human again, something you've claimed as your power. Where did the mod mention recruitment by the scum team???
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 19, 2014 20:16:03 GMT -5
MentalGuy I am waiting for a response back from you. I don't know how to rebut what you have said. You asked to "hear more", yet I think you are asking everyone else and not me, directly. Was there anything I could speak to? No, I was asking you. If you can't give us more information any other way, then a full claim would do. I have been informed that Chameleon was seen visiting me last Night, a watcher saw a single person, I would prefer to keep the watcher's identity a secret for now. I entertained the thought that Chameleon might be a misguided townie rather than scum but he has not done anything to support that possibility. Well, that is interesting. I think this is worth: Unvote: Meeko Vote: Chameleon
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 19, 2014 21:32:38 GMT -5
I also agree in a not wanting to "me too" Guiri, but if Chameleon has a killing role, and hollowed Guiri last night, I'd like to know why, and how to explain his role.
Vote: Chameleon
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 19, 2014 21:42:28 GMT -5
Guiri, is that the only player that your watcher saw? Or did they mention any others?
In the meantime, this paints Chameleon in a bad light
Vote: Vote Chameleon
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 21:51:22 GMT -5
MentalGuy I am waiting for a response back from you. I don't know how to rebut what you have said. You asked to "hear more", yet I think you are asking everyone else and not me, directly. Was there anything I could speak to? No, I was asking you. If you can't give us more information any other way, then a full claim would do. [] FISHING MUCH?!
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Post by Meeko on Aug 19, 2014 21:53:12 GMT -5
Unvote: Patricia
Vote: MentalGuy
Yes. Because it pings me above and beyond a Chameleon vote.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 20, 2014 1:17:45 GMT -5
Yes I did target Guiri last night, but I am not Scum or hostile whatsoever (I'm third party and can win with either side - I can be helpful to Town if you let me).
What I think you should all know is that WELL BEFORE Guiri announced that he knew I targeted him here, he sent me a private message essentially blackmailing me with that knowledge. Now I have to ask, why would a Townie not bring forward this information immediately, instead of trying to make some kind of deal privately first? I highly doubt that Guiri is Town. And he also admitted that a watcher gave him this information - either meaning someone sent him this information or he's on a team with a private board. I truly believe that hollowing Guiri did Town a favour.
Guiri, should you want to know why I didn't respond to your PM, it's because I have very few soapstones and I wasn't about to use them up trying to make a deal with you when I felt your actions were highly suspicious.
This is not an OMGUS - I truly think Guiri's choice of what to do with this knowledge is very suspicious. Vote: Guiri
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Post by guiri on Aug 20, 2014 1:50:42 GMT -5
Yes I did target Guiri last night, but I am not Scum or hostile whatsoever (I'm third party and can win with either side - I can be helpful to Town if you let me). Why did you attack me? What I think you should all know is that WELL BEFORE Guiri announced that he knew I targeted him here, he sent me a private message essentially blackmailing me with that knowledge. I I entertained the thought that Chameleon might be a misguided townie rather than scum but he has not done anything to support that possibility. gave you a chance to reply, this is what I said: Hi Chameleon! I believe you attacked me last Night and took half my souls. Based on your posts I cannot tell if you are scum or a misguided townie I've somehow upset. If you are town, I'd rather not expose you but if you give me no reason to believe you are town, I will do everything possible to get you lynched toDay. Guiri Now I have to ask, why would a Townie not bring forward this information immediately, instead of trying to make some kind of deal privately first? What deal? I had three reasons: - we saw in the last game that attacking is not exclusive to scum, I didn't want to expose a potential pro-town attacker and could not get a good read on you from your posts - in this game we have an additional communication channel and since the information is shared with the watcher, there was no need to go public immediately - the information I received may not have been entirely accurate
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 20, 2014 1:51:40 GMT -5
Patricia, I know you are trying not reveal how many souls you have, but perhaps if you let players know how many you need to save yourself someone who believes you might be able to help (I'm not saying that's me, I'm just saying it might be in your own best interest)? Which makes me wonder, since I can't remember whether I read this in the rules or not, can we exchange souls?
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 20, 2014 2:02:05 GMT -5
Guiri, I chose you at random (your name was in the middle of the player list if you want to know exactly) since we have pretty much no information so far. It's not that different than choosing random lynch candidates at the start of a game. I have to find and kill one particular player - from the description I do not believe they are Town, but I don't know for sure.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 20, 2014 2:05:31 GMT -5
No, I was asking you. If you can't give us more information any other way, then a full claim would do. [] FISHING MUCH?!Have to agree with Meeko here.
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Post by sinjin on Aug 20, 2014 8:08:11 GMT -5
Guiri, I chose you at random (your name was in the middle of the player list if you want to know exactly) since we have pretty much no information so far. It's not that different than choosing random lynch candidates at the start of a game. I have to find and kill one particular player - from the description I do not believe they are Town, but I don't know for sure. So you admit you are not WOTB. You admit you have a killing role. You admit you are killing people randomly. Why did you not kill Patricia last night, she could have been the one you were looking for and you would have known immediately if you had the right person? BTW, Guiri's note to you doesn't come close to blackmail, so that makes you a fibber too Unvote: Patricia although I still think she's scummy. Vote: Chameleon
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 20, 2014 8:40:09 GMT -5
Guiri, I chose you at random (your name was in the middle of the player list if you want to know exactly) since we have pretty much no information so far. It's not that different than choosing random lynch candidates at the start of a game. I have to find and kill one particular player - from the description I do not believe they are Town, but I don't know for sure. So you admit you are not WOTB. You admit you have a killing role. You admit you are killing people randomly. Why did you not kill Patricia last night, she could have been the one you were looking for and you would have known immediately if you had the right person? BTW, Guiri's note to you doesn't come close to blackmail, so that makes you a fibber too Unvote: Patricia. Vote: Chameleon Well, I'm not above simply agreeing with an entire post and voting accordingly. To me, sinjin's post summarized the situation accurately and I have to agree 100% unvoteVote Chameleon
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Aug 20, 2014 9:37:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'm on board with the case against Chameleon. With each player needing to be 'killed' twice, we should expect a lot of killing roles, and not all of them are going to be Scum. So the mere fact that she attacked guiri isn't very much telling.
I too thought bufftabby's questions about guiri's state seemed odd; I'd think that she would know better than to expect guiri to have had any information about the attack against him. I see that she has given an explanation, but it strikes me as a clumsy one. That said, I can's quite find a Scum motivation for bufftabby to have made her inquiries...so I'm not sure what conclusion to draw here.
To all those who voted for patricia on Day 1: Why aren't you voting for her now? What has she done to convince you that she's not Scum? Or are you admitting that you didn't really feel she was Scum in the first place, and that you were just voting for her because it was the easiest thing to do? If she was Scummy enough to warrant a lynch yesterDay, why shouldn't she warrant a lynch Today?
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Post by sinjin on Aug 20, 2014 10:14:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'm on board with the case against Chameleon. With each player needing to be 'killed' twice, we should expect a lot of killing roles, and not all of them are going to be Scum. So the mere fact that she attacked guiri isn't very much telling. I too thought bufftabby's questions about guiri's state seemed odd; I'd think that she would know better than to expect guiri to have had any information about the attack against him. I see that she has given an explanation, but it strikes me as a clumsy one. That said, I can's quite find a Scum motivation for bufftabby to have made her inquiries...so I'm not sure what conclusion to draw here. To all those who voted for patricia on Day 1: Why aren't you voting for her now? What has she done to convince you that she's not Scum? Or are you admitting that you didn't really feel she was Scum in the first place, and that you were just voting for her because it was the easiest thing to do? If she was Scummy enough to warrant a lynch yesterDay, why shouldn't she warrant a lynch Today? Patricia may or may not die of poison by Day 3, but I am not betting on that. I think she will miraculously recover. However, Patricia has not admitted she is not WOTB and she has not been revealed to having a killing/hollowing power. Chameleon on the other hand is a clear and present danger to WOTB and she has already proven that she is less than honest. If she had claimed vig and had a good reason for targetting Guiri that would be a completely different story. Does that answer your questions?
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Post by sinjin on Aug 20, 2014 19:17:45 GMT -5
Really, that's it? It's less then 24 hours til end of Day. Almost no one has voted, many have not posted. This is ridiculous.
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 20, 2014 20:05:57 GMT -5
Really, that's it? It's less then 24 hours til end of Day. Almost no one has voted, many have not posted. This is ridiculous. It's depressing. I keep coming back expecting to read a lot, but only have a few posts to look at. Maybe this game will be canceled with no winners as well. I feel really bad for story.
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Post by MentalGuy on Aug 20, 2014 20:14:32 GMT -5
Call it fishing if you want. I would like some more information. This is a no-vanilla game, yet you claim to have no powers or actions. I decided to check out the mafia wiki to see what special roles might not necessarily have a power. The things I came up with are: Lyncher - you would be trying to get a specific player lynched. This doesn't seem likely. You don't seem to be trying to make a case against anyone specifically. Bulletproof - Technically here, you would have a power, but it is passive and you wouldn't take any actions. I guess this is possible, but I doubt it. Miller - I don't know how Story feels about Millers. I don't remember one in any game I have been in, but it is not that many. I guess this is a possibility. Traitor - This would be an interesting possibility. If Chameleon is telling the truth, it might even be who she(?) is looking for. Again, I don't know how Story feels about traitors. Don't ever remember any. Mason - You could be a Mason, but Masons did have powers in the other game. Story may have weakened them, but I doubt he took away all powers. Backup - I guess you could be a backup. In that case, you wouldn't currently have any powers, but you might later. From the above list, I think Miller, Traitor, or Mason is most likely. If you are a Traitor or a Miller, we really need to lynch you. If you are a Mason, other players can vouch for you. That said, I feel Chameleon has been acting scummy enough to leave my vote on her for toDay.
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Post by patricia on Aug 20, 2014 20:48:06 GMT -5
Patricia, I know you are trying not reveal how many souls you have, but perhaps if you let players know how many you need to save yourself someone who believes you might be able to help (I'm not saying that's me, I'm just saying it might be in your own best interest)? Which makes me wonder, since I can't remember whether I read this in the rules or not, can we exchange souls? I had considered this myself but I think the only way to get more souls is to be the first person to vote on someone who is lynched or to be a killer. On the off chance that someone can give me souls I need two to un-hollow myself again. Also, if I live past this poison I will be happy to un-hollow anyone who provides me with 2 souls and if I believe them to be WOTB.
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 20, 2014 20:48:58 GMT -5
- the information I received may not have been entirely accurate Do you have a specific reason to believe this, or is that a general observation?
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 20, 2014 20:49:15 GMT -5
Given that you asked Patricia what she could "tell us about the poison and your current human state", I was hopeful that you yourself would have some additional info about your own situation. Since we didn't get any info on Patricia's alignment due to her survival, I found it disappointing that you also don't have any info about your hollowing and your current hollow state. Meh, OK, you seemed to expect the mod to have told me who or what attacked me, something that would be game-breaking in a usual mafia game. I too thought bufftabby's questions about guiri's state seemed odd; I'd think that she would know better than to expect guiri to have had any information about the attack against him. I see that she has given an explanation, but it strikes me as a clumsy one. That said, I can's quite find a Scum motivation for bufftabby to have made her inquiries...so I'm not sure what conclusion to draw here. The first post of the thread was this (bolding mine): Ouch, not nice. Patricia, what can you tell us about the poison and your current human state?Meeko, I don't know what to make of your claim but I don't plan on playing "nit pick the rules". The second post of the thread was this: Guiri, what can you tell us about your current hollow state? I'm think it's pretty obvious that I'm echoing Guiri's question in return. It sounded like he thought Patricia might know something additional about her poisoning, so I ask him the same thing he asked her.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 20, 2014 20:55:25 GMT -5
Patricia, I know you are trying not reveal how many souls you have, but perhaps if you let players know how many you need to save yourself someone who believes you might be able to help (I'm not saying that's me, I'm just saying it might be in your own best interest)? Which makes me wonder, since I can't remember whether I read this in the rules or not, can we exchange souls? I had considered this myself but I think the only way to get more souls is to be the first person to vote on someone who is lynched or to be a killer. On the off chance that someone can give me souls I need two to un-hollow myself again. Also, if I live past this poison I will be happy to un-hollow anyone who provides me with 2 souls and if I believe them to be WOTB. Now this doesn't add up....since I know how many souls you had. You had 12 to start, you had six after being lynched. You say you need two to unhollow....so you should still have 4 - so would be able to unhollow again
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 20, 2014 21:07:26 GMT -5
Well, I remain totally unconvinced by everything patrica has said. I have no particular evidence proving my feeling, but it is my feeling. Vote patriciaI find myself in a similar situation. This especially pings me (as pointed out by sinjin previously): I have not been un-poisoned and I still need to be un-poisoned or I will die Day Three. I have bought myself some more time by using my own souls and power to un-hollow myself for one day and night. Per my PM from story I need to find a way to become Human again on Day three for the poisoning to be fully cured. If I can't I die Day Three. I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night however I don't have enough souls to use that power again. I have been trying to post this all day - this board keeps freezing up on me - anyone else having problems posting? I wanted to stop by and say farewell - as it wasn't enough for me to be hollow day one I was also poisoned! I guess I may have a small hope the person who could cure me may show up before the end of this night. But with the total lack of posts and posters that seem unlikely. Storyteller, this seem to be a great setup and I for one I'm sorry to see such a lack of active players. Now I see Bill's info on the soul discrepancy, and I'm definitely sold on a Patricia vote. Vote patricia
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