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Post by sinjin on Aug 20, 2014 21:07:41 GMT -5
I had considered this myself but I think the only way to get more souls is to be the first person to vote on someone who is lynched or to be a killer. On the off chance that someone can give me souls I need two to un-hollow myself again. Also, if I live past this poison I will be happy to un-hollow anyone who provides me with 2 souls and if I believe them to be WOTB. Now this doesn't add up....since I know how many souls you had. You had 12 to start, you had six after being lynched. You say you need two to unhollow....so you should still have 4 - so would be able to unhollow again If she used 4 to unhollow the first time she would have 2 left and need two more. Jet lag?
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Post by patricia on Aug 20, 2014 21:09:39 GMT -5
It is hard to step back and really read the game when you are being voted for, poisoned & lynched etc. But I just now did a reread of today and something jumped out. Last night I un-hollowed myself and Guiri was hollowed Chameleon has claimed to be the one that hollowed Guiri. So what did the scum team do? NO ONE else died or was hollowed, no one else has claimed to be poisoned. (As I was poisoned during the day that may be a day power) Story extending the night and then posting that half of the powers went un-used night one - Got me thinking that the scum team didn't put in any orders last night. Maybe the scum are being un-active.
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Post by patricia on Aug 20, 2014 21:22:25 GMT -5
Now this doesn't add up....since I know how many souls you had. You had 12 to start, you had six after being lynched. You say you need two to unhollow....so you should still have 4 - so would be able to unhollow again If she used 4 to unhollow the first time she would have 2 left and need two more. Jet lag? You are both right I have two left - I should have said I need two more. My power cost 4 souls to use when I'm hollowed but only two when I'm human - hope that clear it up. So Bill care to give back two souls - since you just stripped me naked to the world LOL
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Post by patricia on Aug 20, 2014 21:38:21 GMT -5
I feel like I'm the only one scum hunting this game. I sure hope that after I'm dead you will all stop kicking my corpse and win this game of the Blue Team!!!
For the record again BTW I'm not scum - and my power is pro town - you think scum want people un-hollowed? I'm sure in a few days you will be missing someone who could un-hollow you. And for the record here you all lynched me because I was playing the game and looking for scum - I called out 5 people and then voted for a non posting player to nudge him. Yes, folks that is my crime - The nudged person than voted and I moved my vote to one of the player I had called out. But still you lynched me. I guess I just don't understand the game.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 20, 2014 23:55:36 GMT -5
You say it costs 4 souls, yet you ask for 2 "I will be happy to un-hollow anyone who provides me with 2 souls and if I believe them to be WOTB. "
I'm struggling with the discrepancy
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 21, 2014 0:26:44 GMT -5
How is sending me a message saying "I know you attacked me and unless you convince me you're Town I'm going to get you lynched" not blackmail? Maybe we have a different definition. I still think that a Townie would have shared this information right away, so I absolutely think that Guiri is not Town. I also admitted to it, and haven't tried to cover anything up. I'm perfectly willing to target anyone the majority asks me to - therefore I can be helpful to Town and help move this game along a little faster.
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Post by guiri on Aug 21, 2014 1:37:52 GMT -5
Guiri, I chose you at random (your name was in the middle of the player list if you want to know exactly) since we have pretty much no information so far. It's not that different than choosing random lynch candidates at the start of a game. I have to find and kill one particular player - from the description I do not believe they are Town, but I don't know for sure. Players choose random lynch candidates at the start of the game to get the ball rolling, and are expected to either move their vote or provide a more substantial reasoning if they keep the vote all Day. You need to find a single, specific person, who could be town, and your plan is to randomly attack anyone until you find him/her? What's your win condition? How do your actions on night 1 prove you wish to help town? I'm not buying it. - the information I received may not have been entirely accurate Do you have a specific reason to believe this, or is that a general observation? General observation, it's mafia, I received a private message with a quoted result, it could have been edited, it could even have been fake, but apparently not. I'm think it's pretty obvious that I'm echoing Guiri's question in return. It sounded like he thought Patricia might know something additional about her poisoning, so I ask him the same thing he asked her. Your question was fine for me, and I answered with all the information I had about the attack. My comment was with your response later, where you said it was unfortunate there were no further details about who/what hollowed me, something I'd never expect in a game of mafia. Now I see Bill's info on the soul discrepancy, and I'm definitely sold on a Patricia vote. And she still hasn't clarified her comments about recruitment. For obvious reasons I'd prefer to see Chameleon lynched first but agree that Patricia is adding to the case against her. You say it costs 4 souls, yet you ask for 2 "I will be happy to un-hollow anyone who provides me with 2 souls and if I believe them to be WOTB. " I'm struggling with the discrepancy She says her power costs 4 when she's hollow but only 2 when not. However the healing seems to be only valid for one day and night: I have not been un-poisoned and I still need to be un-poisoned or I will die Day Three. I have bought myself some more time by using my own souls and power to un-hollow myself for one day and night. Per my PM from story I need to find a way to become Human again on Day three for the poisoning to be fully cured. If I can't I die Day Three. I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night however I don't have enough souls to use that power again.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 21, 2014 1:58:21 GMT -5
Really, that's it? It's less then 24 hours til end of Day. Almost no one has voted, many have not posted. This is ridiculous. It's depressing. I keep coming back expecting to read a lot, but only have a few posts to look at. Maybe this game will be canceled with no winners as well. I feel really bad for story. I was of the impression that were a LOT of votes going around.
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Post by Chameleon on Aug 21, 2014 1:59:52 GMT -5
One person needs to be dead for me to win - unfortunately I need to kill them. I have offered to target anyone that the majority requests - that's how I can help. This has the potential to be a very slow game so having an extra kill that the majority can control will help move it along. I will also add that my admitting to hollowing you has now given you reason to trust whoever it is that gave you that information. Don't hold a grudge because I picked you at random - why did that person pick you to watch (I'm assuming it was a watcher)? Random I suspect. Overall I don't think I've done anything awful to Town considering my role.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 21, 2014 2:15:56 GMT -5
If Sandra Bucca were on twitter, I'd follow her.
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Post by sinjin on Aug 21, 2014 3:42:53 GMT -5
If she used 4 to unhollow the first time she would have 2 left and need two more. Jet lag? You are both right I have two left - I should have said I need two more. My power cost 4 souls to use when I'm hollowed but only two when I'm human - hope that clear it up. So Bill care to give back two souls - since you just stripped me naked to the world LOL Wait, wait, wait, you need only 2 souls to unhollow someone when you are human? What about this? Assuming Patricia is truthful, I think if she's a Townie, she might post just as she did. She does want to be unpoisoned, after all. Do you see it differently? This post pinged me a little. She's apologetic about jumping on a bandwagon and, with the part I've underlined, suggests that she suspects Patricia despite that others do also! It reminds me of Is this a leak that you started with an odd number of Souls? Yes, early voting pays off as Bill got half of my souls but as I "think" we are on the same team it is ok - Fun thing about that is if I had those souls still I could unhollow Guiri today or myself tomorrow You are human now and you have two souls....So were you lying then or are you lying now?
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Post by sinjin on Aug 21, 2014 3:45:11 GMT -5
NETA: I edited swammer's part of that conversation.
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Post by guiri on Aug 21, 2014 4:13:00 GMT -5
According to the message from Story, the poison will make Patricia hollow again at Dusk today: But it gets worse: independently of your lynch, you have been poisoned. Unless you become Human before then, you will die at Dusk of Day 2 (if you are Human by then, you'll be Hollowed then and die at Dusk of Day 3. Should you manage to become Human a second time before then, you'll be Hollowed one last time and then the poison will have run its course. However, even if she had 4 souls and unhollowed herself, she'd be hollowed again on Day 3 so would need 4 souls again to unhollow someone...
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 21, 2014 4:49:56 GMT -5
I think Patricia may have done something similar to what Abstain did last game: Make a truthful claim, but not "letting it all hang out." Once you decide to claim, it's the details that will make the claim believable. I believe Patricia. Her story makes sense. It's the back-and-forth of her sharing only little by little that has attracted suspicion. Wait, wait, wait, you need only 2 souls to unhollow someone when you are human? But she can't unhollow herself right now, because she's not (yet) hollow! Here's my proposal to Patricia: Spend your last 2 souls right now Unhollowing guiri. If everything you've said is truthful, we'll see guiri Human again and you Hollow. (When exactly will these changes will occur?) You will then need 4 Souls of charity -- exactly the same total as you're asking for now. When we see the changes, I will be even more certain of your honesty and I think others will also. I hereby pledge to give you one Soul then, if three others can be found. Guiri may send you a Soul out of gratitude. @ BillMc, can you come up with two in that scenario? Come on, don't be stingy! Don't make us think you're Scummy. Any others willing to contribute a single Soul? Something very nice about this storyteller setup is that need for Soul exchanges makes this especially a game of cooperation.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 21, 2014 5:23:05 GMT -5
If you demonstrate your Power and Towniness by Unhollowing guiri immediately, for Town and the Town-allied to give you 4 Souls in return is NOT just charity or gratitude. A Town Unhollower (aka reHumanizer) seems like a very useful pro-Town role, with two Souls a small price. ... Just don't reHumanize any Scummies, Patricia! I'm sure Patricia misses her large initial stash of Souls, but living hand-to-mouth with no Souls should be OK -- she'll be less attractive of a target for Scum. We know BillMc has a largish stash of Souls. If he refuses to contribute to Patricia's Rehumanization after she rescues guiri, I'll move him to the top of my suspect list ... along with people who refuse to call me Swammi or Swammerdami and keep calling me Swammer!
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 21, 2014 7:37:21 GMT -5
On another matter, I wish people would stop gifting me orange soapstones. Any orange message I might put out would probably be incomprehnsible anyway, something like:
T r o a h s w e n r e t f e g a s t o r o a m i s t l d p g h d s n e y e a n h a n t a t s s f i r s s t e l e d e e s p a o m e h f t l f h d s o e a u d h r o s e u e h p h k l y l i r o e e s c o e p o o e d c m h g e d t w a i e f c t u h t m o n h e n m m h i m i a d
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Post by guiri on Aug 21, 2014 8:32:19 GMT -5
Swammi, your suggestion is very welcome but hinges on Patricia being able to use her power more than once every day/night cycle.
I'm struggling a bit with the purpose of her power, if it's limited to a single day/night cycle.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 21, 2014 9:01:01 GMT -5
Now I see where Patricia said "I do have a power to un-hollow anyone for one day and night." I think this didn't register with me. (another reason why, player claims should be very clear, perhaps with role PM verbatim) So, if the Unhollowing is only a temporary one-day Unhollowing, it's much less valuable. In the words of Roseanne Roseannadanna ... "Nevermind!" (Still, this is an argument why the doomed Townie Patricia should spend her two Souls giving likely-Townie guiri at least a temporary reprieve. If she waits, she'll be unable.)
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Aug 21, 2014 10:12:34 GMT -5
The first post of the thread was this (bolding mine): Ouch, not nice. Patricia, what can you tell us about the poison and your current human state?Meeko, I don't know what to make of your claim but I don't plan on playing "nit pick the rules". The second post of the thread was this: Guiri, what can you tell us about your current hollow state? I'm think it's pretty obvious that I'm echoing Guiri's question in return. It sounded like he thought Patricia might know something additional about her poisoning, so I ask him the same thing he asked her. The difference between guiri's question and yours is this: guiri was questioning patricia, who had been Hollowed, then announced that she was poisoned, and then turned up Human again at Dawn. I think it's reasonable to think that she might have some knowledge of the goings-on, as the events surrounding her were rather unusual. You were questioning guiri, who was the subject of a Night attack, which is a normal part of the game, and almost never comes with additional information. And it wasn't actually your question that pinged me; it was your next post, after guiri had responded: Ah, it's unfortunate that there's no further details about who/what hollowed you. To me, it read like you thought that guiri should have had more information. And of course we learned later that guiri in fact did have more information than he originally let on... All of which make your actions 'interesting', but not necessarily 'suspicious'. I still think there's something you're not letting on...but of course that's probably true of everyone at this point. I will admit to not having given this game the attention it deserves, so I have no strong suspicions at this point. I'm not convinced the case against Chameleon is a particularly strong one given the evidence we have so far. I'm a bit troubled by Meeko's apparent Vanilla claim, but I'm prepared to accept it for the moment. vote patriciaI feel like we're still not getting anything close to the 'full story' there...and I can see her claimed ability as being useful to a Scum team. And I still question the people who voted to lynch her yesterDay, then seemed to have had a change of heart overNight.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 21, 2014 10:55:03 GMT -5
I'm not convinced the case against Chameleon is a particularly strong one given the evidence we have so far. Did I miss something? Chameleon literally confessed to picking a Player at random and murdering him. I agree it's a rather brazen confession for a Scum to make, but she hardly appears to be a valuable Town team player. I'm rather proud that I picked up the Scum tell in her vote rationale yesterDay. I will admit to not having given this game the attention it deserves, so I have no strong suspicions at this point. Maybe. But I think you're Scum. That you "missed" Chameleon's confession makes me think she's your teammate.
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Post by patricia on Aug 21, 2014 12:23:17 GMT -5
I'm fine with un-hollowing Guiri before I go - I just hope he is not scum.
in a last ditch effort to live one more day I'm going to
Unvote: meeko Vote: Chameleon
I do not think she is scum but she did hollow our most townie player "Guiri"
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Post by patricia on Aug 21, 2014 12:25:09 GMT -5
I'm not convinced the case against Chameleon is a particularly strong one given the evidence we have so far. Did I miss something? Chameleon literally confessed to picking a Player at random and murdering him. I agree it's a rather brazen confession for a Scum to make, but she hardly appears to be a valuable Town team player. I'm rather proud that I picked up the Scum tell in her vote rationale yesterDay. I will admit to not having given this game the attention it deserves, so I have no strong suspicions at this point. Maybe. But I think you're Scum. That you "missed" Chameleon's confession makes me think she's your teammate. I totally agree
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 21, 2014 12:32:41 GMT -5
Day is over. I am working on the Dusk... it just takes a while with so much going on :-)
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