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Post by Drain Bead on Dec 20, 2007 21:19:54 GMT -5
Thanks much.
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 21, 2007 2:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 21, 2007 4:54:47 GMT -5
On the strange off chance that no two scum voted for the same person on Day 1, but all voted.
Votes Day 1: FINAL COUNT Pleonast (5) - kassia, Santo Rugger, diggitcamara, Roosh, Diomedes zuma (6) - Cookies, Kat, Katv2.0, zeriel, Death by Irony, Sinjin CatinaSuit1.0 (4) - NAF1138, drainbead, hockey monkey, episodeofblonde zeriel (3) - CatinaSuit, Captain Klutz, mhaye Kat (2) - Pleonast, Parzival NAF1138 (1) - Hal Briston (Cat2.0) mhaye (1) - atarus kassia (1) - zuma Non-Voters: (3) Zuma2.0, Tragic
That would leave the scum as diggitcamara or Roosh Kat v2.0 or Death By Irony Captain Klutz Parzival
But that would be too obvious wouldn't it?
(Yes, I am choosing to believe certain roleclaims)
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 21, 2007 11:13:21 GMT -5
Roosh, that kind of answer is asking to get yourself lynched tomorrow. I do have one major query though. Day 3 : You had an FOS on drainbead. Day 4: You voted for drainbead and then switch to zeriel, keeping drainbead as your #2 suspect. Day 5: So, your first Wow Captain Klutz looks scummy, oh wait he's role claimed, so I will vote for my nexy scummy person: Cookies Night 5: Oh well, I would have voted for CIAS v.2 or Episodeofblonde if I had been around. So, one of your top suspects was lycnhed on Day 5, and you didn't even notice.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 21, 2007 11:27:13 GMT -5
Umm,
That came out kind of awkward.
I'll try that again.
Roosh: You better have a damn good reason for your complete change of suspicion of drainbead, from Day 4, where she was your number one suspect to Day 5 where you don't even mention her.
Especially as on the day she was lynched as a scum and had votes against her, you voted for Cookies instead.
Given you had not mentioned suspicion of Cookies before, she suddenly jumped onto your suspect list and when you voted she had the same number of votes at that time as drainbead.
In other words, you voted for someone you were not suspicious of, instead of your previous Day's #1 suspect and now known Rogue Replicant.
You have some explaining to do, Mr Scum.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 21, 2007 20:14:25 GMT -5
Hey;
Sorry I missed the end of the day. I've posted in the going to be away thread.
Hopefully things will be better next week.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 21, 2007 21:52:52 GMT -5
Dude, wtf? Seriously. I made it very clear the reason I think Masons should claim toNight. The scum already know, and you sharing the supporting arguments of your "guess" can in no way help them. It won't make you a target, the scum already have five or so people they need to get rid of. I do NOT want another Monkgate. How can you just blow that off with a simple "Yup," to my call of bullshit? I DEMAND an explanation.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 21, 2007 22:29:44 GMT -5
Parzival
You voted for Cookies yesterDay, but I can't see where the suspicion came from.
Day 3.23 you did an analysis of Cookies and concluded "It's not enough to make me place my vote, and I actually find her less scummy then before I studied her posts. " This is your last mention of Cookies (you do reply to her in Day 5.78, discussing blue pee, but no suspicion is raised).
In Day 4.98 you express mild suspicion of drainbead and zuma.v2.
Then in Day 5.169 you say
It's not very clear where the suspicion of kassia, cookies and DBI came from:
kassia's last mention was in Day 4.42 where you conclude that kassia was probably not investigated by Pleo
Cookies' last mention was in your analysis post mentioned above
DBI has barely rated a mention at all
Parzival, how did kassia and Cookies become your top 2 suspects at the start of day 5?
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 22, 2007 1:09:24 GMT -5
Alright fine. It's kinda a guess with about 90% certainty that we have 7 replicants we're dealing with. I'll know more for sure Tomorrow. It's kinda basically guessing from my PM's numbers and such. I am 100% certain we have at least 6, but I feel more certain that we have likely 7 Replicants. Their alignments, I have no clue on. But I feel that we have those numbers of Replicants based on the number/odds I've gotten so far. But I think i'll feel more certain at Dawn.
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 22, 2007 1:18:42 GMT -5
Roosh: You better have a damn good reason for your complete change of suspicion of drainbead, from Day 4, where she was your number one suspect to Day 5 where you don't even mention her. Gee. I was suspicious of Drainbead on Day 4. And then SOMEONE during the Night tells me to examine Episode of Blonde. So I pretty much spend the next few days going over the massive info-dump of posts examining Episode. My final conclusions, I found Episode and her interactions to be quite suspicious. I give her a break since she's not there to defend her self. One of the people I vote for as being part of the suspicious group claims. I vote for another, and that one claims though. That left Two people left of people who've I've just spent the last few days looking at really suspicious (That's you and Episode, Cat). I miss the lynch deadline though, so I don't get to change my votes, but I share my thoughts even letting you know where my vote woulda gone. I figure it's the right damn thing to do, I had spent this much time, the least I could do is still share information. And then what happens? I get called out by the VERY PERSON who assigned me a fucking huge task on why did I suddenly get distracted from my job? I'm calling Bullshit on you, sir.... Because I do NOT like this accusation at ALL. You ASK me why my attention was so focused on Episode? GEE... Maybe it was because I PRETTY much spent the entire fucking DAY looking at Episode rather than reviewing drainbead thanks to someone. SOMEONE who then CALLS me out on that very same fucking issue. This is just reeking of opportunism, dude.... Most Uncool.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 22, 2007 3:25:51 GMT -5
Do you always ask "how high" when another player tells you to jump, Roosh? I kid, I kid...
This is just a friendly reminder that my power is wasted, with a capital W, if I try and end up playing Doctor with a pro-Colony Replicant.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 22, 2007 3:27:28 GMT -5
Roosh: You better have a damn good reason for your complete change of suspicion of drainbead, from Day 4, where she was your number one suspect to Day 5 where you don't even mention her. Gee. I was suspicious of Drainbead on Day 4. And then SOMEONE during the Night tells me to examine Episode of Blonde. So I pretty much spend the next few days going over the massive info-dump of posts examining Episode. My final conclusions, I found Episode and her interactions to be quite suspicious. I give her a break since she's not there to defend her self. One of the people I vote for as being part of the suspicious group claims. I vote for another, and that one claims though. That left Two people left of people who've I've just spent the last few days looking at really suspicious (That's you and Episode, Cat). I miss the lynch deadline though, so I don't get to change my votes, but I share my thoughts even letting you know where my vote woulda gone. I figure it's the right damn thing to do, I had spent this much time, the least I could do is still share information. And then what happens? I get called out by the VERY PERSON who assigned me a fucking huge task on why did I suddenly get distracted from my job? I'm calling Bullshit on you, sir.... Because I do NOT like this accusation at ALL. You ASK me why my attention was so focused on Episode? GEE... Maybe it was because I PRETTY much spent the entire fucking DAY looking at Episode rather than reviewing drainbead thanks to someone. SOMEONE who then CALLS me out on that very same fucking issue. This is just reeking of opportunism, dude.... Most Uncool. As Hal Briston would say "Bwuh!!" So, Roosh, the reason you voted Cookies instead of drainbead was because I made you do some analysis of episodeofblonde.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 22, 2007 3:37:10 GMT -5
Do you always ask "how high" when another player tells you to jump, Roosh? I kid, I kid... This is just a friendly reminder that my power is wasted, with a capital W, if I try and end up playing Doctor with a pro-Colony Replicant. What are you trying to say? That Roosh's mysterious "6th Replicant", to steal a basketball term, should make themselves known so you don't protect them? I'm confused.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 22, 2007 3:38:07 GMT -5
And for the record, episodeofblonde pinged me on Day 1, when she was snuggling up to me saying how great my posts were and how awesome I was. That's not how it went down, of course, but that's how I felt.
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Post by RoOsh on Dec 22, 2007 10:39:12 GMT -5
So, Roosh, the reason you voted Cookies instead of drainbead was because I made you do some analysis of episodeofblonde. No. The reason is simple. I was suspicious of a person. However, I then examined another suspicious person. I spent MORE time looking at one person than the other. Obviously then, I've got more opinions about a person who i've looked at in detail vs. a person who i find suspicious, but it's more off of just their interactions with me (check out WHY I found drainbead suspicious, it's because of the way she attacked me back in the earlier days. Most of my arguments vs. her was her actions towards ME). Episode I'm more suspicious of because of her interactions towards other people. I LIVE by storyteller's rules of suspicion. So I felt MORE strongly about episode , you, and her little group than I did about Drainbead, because the drainbead issues for me were more of how I SAW her as scummy based on what she was doing to ME, while episode & co was more of just in general. But nice job of twisting my words around and simplifying it. The Reasons I focused on Episode and HER interactions more was because I HAD looked at episode so much during the Day. There CAN be more than one scum, ya know? I just find it VERY interesting that the person who told me to check out episode suddenly then the next Night comes back at me and goes "Why didn't you look at Drainbead!?! Why were you so busy looking at episode?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~ And Don't waste your protection on me Cookies. I ain't no replicant, but don't waste it on me just figure things out for yourself. -And it wasn't a matter of asking "how high", I view this town as kinda slowing down in talk in the last few days. We need better talking, and MORE analysis. So if I have to do analysis of a player, and I have the time to do analysis- I WILL do my best to check it out, regardless of who asks me to do it (unless I'm suspicious of the motives- which I wasn't until I started to check out the person i was assigned). -However, I was pleased with YesterDay, I think we've really got a strong chance with a mass reveal to win this game. It's just the Days leading up to yesterDay were so damn sluggish....
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Post by Parzival on Dec 22, 2007 13:43:31 GMT -5
So I've finished traveling and with the longer Night I can at least get in a post.
Capt. Klutz, I have read your post but might not get a response until the Day. I just wanted to get things in for the Night that I find important (or had in mind from the past two days).
kassia - you asked about my change in tone. Mostly it's the incident that happened to me last Night. It made me a little paranoid (that someone in either the scum or colony found me worth doing whatever it was too).
As for further details of what happened to me - it was not drainbead (unless her version of pleasure is truly bizarre). I'm pretty sure it was not Cookies because IIRC she goes into action after the fact; what happened to me was 'preventative' so to speak. In fact, I'll go so far as to say it may have been a blocking type of action (I guess it would have stopped anything happening to or by me; I also have no memory of what happened) from the description. I'd be more confident of that if Cookies's claim is true.
I also find episodeofblonde very suspicious now - especially if she was cosying up to you too, Rugger. I think if she is scum she has managed to draw a subtle link to me that both made me not really suspect her while throwing suspicion on me if she turns out scum. Since it seems to have gone on from the start, I find it more scummy than Tragic's strange behavior.
One last thing about what happened Tonight : We don't have any way to determine allegience at all. What we have is a method of determining human vs. replicant. While we are not required to lynch the humans to win, I'm somewhat wary of CatinaSuit for implying that we know alignment based on species.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 22, 2007 14:12:50 GMT -5
Do you always ask "how high" when another player tells you to jump, Roosh? I kid, I kid... This is just a friendly reminder that my power is wasted, with a capital W, if I try and end up playing Doctor with a pro-Colony Replicant. What are you trying to say? That Roosh's mysterious "6th Replicant", to steal a basketball term, should make themselves known so you don't protect them? I'm confused. The first line was just a joke. I'm not expecting anyone to out themselves as a pro-town replicant, I just want to make sure that everyone is clear on the limitations of my Medic role.
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 22, 2007 14:42:58 GMT -5
Just to see if I was correct in my earlier suspicion of Roosh, here is his Day 4/5 Analysis to back it up.
Day 4 #10: Response to zeriel about getting voting chart wrong #11: Will answer questions from others as he was a major person goign after Pleonast #12: Daily Final Vote Counts #41: Agrees with CIAS v.2 on some things, Current FOS list is drainbead followed by dotchan #45: Question to Parzival #51: Fluff Post #53: Mentions suspicion of zeriel, cuts DBI some slack and votes drainbead #84: Mentions suspicion of zeriel again. #85: Fluff Post #106: Comment on atarus and tragic IRL #107: unvotes drainbead and votes zeriel, many reasons provided #125: Comment on zuma v2.0 asking drainbead for her roleclaim #128: Fluff Post #146: Defends drainbead saying he would rather look for those pressing for her roleclaim, but still finds her a bit suspicious. #147: Sticks with zeriel as he is slightly more suspicious than drainbead #174, #176, #177: Fluff Post
Night 4: #17: Fluff Post #20: Daily Final Vote Counts
Day 5: #34: Initial thoughts on the Day re. Blue Pee, Comment on number of scum left (6), Large FOS to Zuma v.2 #49: Fluff Post #93: Fluff Post #94: Part 1 of episodeofblonde analysis #95: Part 2 of episodeofblonde analysis. Says he finds her suspicious and there appears to be a block of episodeofblonde, CIAS v.2 and CaptainKlutz. #110: Comment on Captain Klutz's Scum block in that he had missed him self off as spotted by CIAS v.2 #112: Performs large analysis of Day 5: Major Suspicion group if Captain Klutz, episodeofblonde, CIAS v.2. Votes Captain Klutz #113: Fluff Post #133: Fluff Post #159: Says we started with 7 replicants and now have 6. Unvotes Captain Klutz after roleclaim. Is not sure if he believes him or not. #161: Point by point rebuttal of Kat v2.0's suspicion list #162: question to Parzival about episodeofblonde
At this point, Cookies gained two rapid votes from Parzival and Captain Klutz to create a three way tie at this point between Captain Klutz, drainbead and Cookies.
#168: Repeats belief that we started with 7 replicants #169: Changes suspicion list to CIAS v2.0, episodeofblonde and Cookies on the grounds she thinks episodeofblonde is pro-town. #178: Response to Cookies re: Parzival's case #180: Votes Cookies to break the three way tie between Captain Klutz, drainbead and Cookies. #184: Clarifies question to CIAS v2.0
All of a sudden Cookies becomes a suspect and then the leading candidate to be lynched. Frankly, I would consider the reason for her selection as spurious. She found someone you considered scummy as pro-town. WTF?
Seeing as the usual tenet is that you vote for the scummiest, I am also really surprised that you did not vote for me considering how suspicious you were during the day of my actions, given that you did not want to lynch Captain Klutz from his roleclaim, or episodeofblonde as she was away.
Also given that you had enough time to do a large analysis of Day 5, to say that it was my question which forced you to only look at episodeofblonde and the people interacting with her is codswallop.
No instead you take the easy option and pick on Cookies who at that point in time was level with drainbead on votes.
This has all the hallmarks of one scum trying to save another seeing as we now know drainbead's role.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 22, 2007 14:52:40 GMT -5
I know that neither myself nor atarus was attacked the no-kill Night that Parzival had his visitor. Did anyone besides myself, atarus, Parzival, and whoever allegedly felt him up have any interactions with any other players/entities last Night? By the silence so far, I'd say no, but to maintain a healthy dose of paranoia, here is my personal list of possible explanations in no particular order...
Assuming the scum only tried to make one kill last Night:
1) That Parcival is the one who was attacked but was protected by his visitor, implying that he and his protector are both Colonists.
2) That someone else was attacked and survived due to a self-protection power or protection from another player, meaning that one or Colonists are being tight-lipped about their experiences last Night. This could imply that Parcival is scum who is trying to make failed Night kill lemonade out of the scum's failed Night kill lemons by claiming to have experienced a Night visit in an attempt to determine who/what messed up their kill. Or there is no implication of Parcival's scumminess, and we actually had 6 players interacting with eachother last night, plus the scum kill attempt, and the life-saving event took place between the 2 of the 6 who were not myself, atarus, Parcival, or Parcival's visitor.
3) That the scum decided to no-kill, and Parcival is scum who is trying to build credibility by claiming to be a Colonist who had an odd Night encounter which could explain the no-kill by allowing him to survive it.
4) That the scum decided to no-kill, but instead "touched" Parcival the Colonist in order to manipulate everyone into making a list just like this one and wasting time trying to make heads or tails of the whole thing, possibly leading to Parcival being voted into the chair tomorrow.
5) That the scum just decided to no-kill, or were perhaps unable to take a killing action for some other reason that only they and the mods know, and at least Colonist power roles went about their Nightly actions without really needing too (except Sinjin, who hopefully turned some pee blue).
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Post by CatInASuit on Dec 22, 2007 14:53:38 GMT -5
One last thing about what happened Tonight : We don't have any way to determine allegience at all. What we have is a method of determining human vs. replicant. While we are not required to lynch the humans to win, I'm somewhat wary of CatinaSuit for implying that we know alignment based on species. My apologies, alliegence is a poor word to use. We have had 2 roles with investigative powers, one who has a chance of getting humans only to be confirmed and I think Tragic has something up her sleeve as she seemed to consider you semi-confirmed as pro-town. You are right, we only know that the scum are all replicant. We do not know how many pro-town replicants there are, or if any of the town could be considered a rogue faction with their own win condition. But that's what makes life interesting doesn't it ;D
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 22, 2007 21:14:54 GMT -5
I'm here, y'all. Sorry for the delay. Dawn post coming up.
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