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Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 25, 2014 8:10:48 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT:
Meeko (4) - sinjin, swammerdami, ...Cookies, dizzymrslizzy swammerdami (4) - Meeko, abstain, Colby11, guiri
That was easy.
Day will end in about 27 hours, at 12:30PM on Friday, September 26.
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Post by bufftabby on Sept 25, 2014 8:13:31 GMT -5
@ Bufftabby: I have a theory: ... The Traitor can only join non-WotB covenants, and retains an additional wincon to whatever covenant he joins, rendering him WotB-hostile even if he joins a non-hostile covenant. To win, he must satisfy the wincon of his new covenant, and WotB must lose. I don't know the wincon of the Champions to know if this makes sense in light of that, but I do know one of them has assisted me (at a price, but a price I was most willing to pay), so I'm not leaning toward hostile on that covenant overall. So, you're happy with Cookies who helped you, and therefore Town, but want to Lynch me. I'm going to break confidence slightly and post excerpts from PM's that Cookies and I exchanged. I'm sure Cookies will confirm that these are accurate. I think I should give you the *S**S ***S* ... ... Have you thought of e-mailing Bufftabby and asking if she wants to buy the ***S*? I think an offer should come from you rather than me, but I suppose if you sell the ***S* while I'm in possession of it, and I gift it to fulfill your order, that might be OK. Go ahead and Lynch me. Just know that the gift of the *s**s ***s* which makes you trust my Mistress was suggested by her apprentice. (ETA: By "e-mail" I obviously meant "PM" but I've left the original text intact.) Well thanks and all, but did you do that because I'm suspicious of you and you wanted to play some kind of game of "gotcha"? I wasn't exactly thrilled with my delayed receipt of that, either. I handed my souls over like a good little customer, and haven't even been able to enjoy the effects yet. I stand by my theory that you're a Hostile traitor. Not to your own covenant, like you want to paint things as, so as to seem illogical, but intrinsically hostile to WotB no matter what your covenant might be at the time. That's why you couldn't accept recruitment to WotB, but accepted recruitment to a 3rd party. You can argue that my theory isn't *true*, but it's not the nonsensical non-logic you try to pretend it is.
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Post by guiri on Sept 25, 2014 8:14:18 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT:
Meeko (4) - sinjin, swammerdami, ...Cookies, dizzymrslizzy swammerdami (4) - Meeko, abstain, Colby11, guiri
That was easy.
Day will end in about 27 hours, at 12:30PM on Friday, September 26. How many players voted to extend the Day? Bufftabby voted Swammi, in red, in #155
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Post by bufftabby on Sept 25, 2014 8:19:08 GMT -5
...and my vote isn't counting due to using the wrong color. Fair enough.
Vote Swammerdami
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 25, 2014 8:33:10 GMT -5
I think swammer has to go, for several reasons. One- if he accepted recuitment, as Cookies suggest, then we have a group cleared. We can then go to clearing other claims. Vote: Swammer Why do you want to get rid of non-hostile groups? I can't get my mind around that. I don't want to get rid of them, but I want to test their claims. Everyone has claimed at some point
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2014 9:06:39 GMT -5
Goods were provided at time if payment. Feel free to clarify with the Mod if that is not how things roll in your part if the world but I'm certainly not going to hand you something on promise of payment alone.
I was a covenant of one. I recruited from another covenant that had just one person left.
These damn theories about some gd traitor are pissing me off considering I would be powerless and totally screwed if I had been unlucky enough to recruit someone out to fuck me over. It would be total gastard move.
IF there is a traitor in the game, the far far far more reasonable assumption is that they are somewhere in the larger covenants, investigating as a larger covenant, seeking to undermine a larger covenant.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 25, 2014 9:44:14 GMT -5
The nature of the Traitor role makes it very likely that it's a Town Traitor who investigates as Town. Period.
If one instead assumes that anybody could be the Traitor, I wonder why Players think it's me? Because I've been emphasizing the existence of a Traitor? The idea that my initial win-con is personal Survival but I'm also a Traitor seems ... odd.
Bufftabby apparently suspects me because of my joke to dizzy about being bribed not to Kill. Why do others think I'm "the traitor"?
Anyway, I'm truly happy to be Lynched and Cookies may be happy to see me go! Why? Because my offer to help Town identify the Traitor with my Watching Power was pro-Town but anti-Champions! Cookies and I have both been playing to help both Town and ourselves, and Town victory may come down to identifying the Town Traitor. I happen to have that Power. But if I don't spend Cookies' scarce Souls on that she can spend them elsewhere.
For those who assume this is just more bullshit, study the game state when this is all over and spoilered. You'll see that my attempt to help Town Identify the Traitor was indeed pro-Town, anti-Champions, and anti-Swammi. But ... whatever.
So Lynch me. Please.
Vote: Hammer
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Post by Meeko on Sept 25, 2014 10:54:14 GMT -5
Goods were provided at time if payment. Feel free to clarify with the Mod if that is not how things roll in your part if the world but I'm certainly not going to hand you something on promise of payment alone. I was a covenant of one. I recruited from another covenant that had just one person left. These damn theories about some gd traitor are pissing me off considering I would be powerless and totally screwed if I had been unlucky enough to recruit someone out to fuck me over. It would be total gastard move. IF there is a traitor in the game, the far far far more reasonable assumption is that they are somewhere in the larger covenants, investigating as a larger covenant, seeking to undermine a larger covenant. Some of us didn't have that problem, in getting items to Bufftabby. Then again, goodwill and charity would further town over other factions. Who was it who started the entire traitor thing to begin with? I agree that the mechanic as presented is totally "fuck me over" able. Beyond that, we still have the question marks with Swammer .... Namely the entire "I'm a watcher, but I will kill you if you don't hire my services." Thing we had a few posts back. But yes, there is tons of lack of logic with Swammer that no one else cares to converse with me. I read your last, and to me it reads as a good defense of those who are town, namely me.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 25, 2014 11:01:12 GMT -5
I would rather you confirm that Meeko is or is not the traitor. Abstain and I confirm each other. Is Traitor Mason really so unlikely? Isn't this a relatively common mechanic? I think Mason, whose main Power is to influence a Townie, might be a likely place for Traitor! Anyway, I can't check for Treason without cooperation from the suspect. Assuming we don't Lynch Meeko toDay, we should Lynch him toMorrow if he refuses to cooperate. We have time to negotiate the small matter of fee. I won't ask Meeko to ante up but, to encourage Ms. Dizzy of Blood to make a pro-Town payment, I'll improve my offer to her: Dizzy, For just a single Soul -- that's right, just one little Soul -- I'll promise not to Kill you! Dizzy, For just a single Soul -- that's right, just one little Soul -- I'll promise not to Kill you! This. How can you be a watcher and killer?
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Post by guiri on Sept 25, 2014 11:10:31 GMT -5
I really thought Day was over yesterday since I understood a simple majority vote was required to extend the Day.
Since we now have more time, I'd like to look outside of Colby's investigation results. I realize that may puts me in a bad place but I'm pretty disposable...
Unvote
Let's just imagine that Bufftabby and Meeko are WotB, and Swammi and Cookies are CoC, and Dizzy is BotB, all non-hostile, and non-traitors, that would leave:
1. Sinjin and abstain, who have claimed to be masons and are mutually confirming each other, are you WotB? What other powers do you have? What was abstain doing with Peeker? Do you have any reason to believe the other is not a traitor?
2. Colby, who has shared investigation results on five players. Would a traitor be able to act as a cop? Would a hostile party have investigative powers? I don't see why not, a pretty cool way to be kept alive and even protected and healed, the drawback is negative attention from pure hostiles
3. Gnarly, who has healed & blocked three players and, at least in my case, not asked for anything in return. Would a traitor be able to heal? We know scum Patricia had a temporary healing power, why not another covenant? The hollow role-blocking power is a little more indicative of scum than town.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 25, 2014 11:16:40 GMT -5
3. Gnarly, who has healed & blocked three players and, at least in my case, not asked for anything in return. Would a traitor be able to heal? FWIW, the one tiny bit of information I am able to contribute is that Gnarly is not the Traitor. (If, OTOH, you've joined the group that assumes everything I say is a lie, why assume there's a Traitor at all?)
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 25, 2014 11:24:56 GMT -5
Dizzy, For just a single Soul -- that's right, just one little Soul -- I'll promise not to Kill you! This. How can you be a watcher and killer? One reason I considered my joke hilarious is that I have no Killing Power. (If I did have a Killing Power I'd charge more than a single soul for exemption! ) I'm used to people not thinking my jokes are funny. And this won't be the first time a joke got me Lynched in a Mafia Game. Sorry, Cookies, but, like I say, you're probably better off without me.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2014 13:41:07 GMT -5
Goods were provided at time if payment. Feel free to clarify with the Mod if that is not how things roll in your part if the world but I'm certainly not going to hand you something on promise of payment alone. I was a covenant of one. I recruited from another covenant that had just one person left. These damn theories about some gd traitor are pissing me off considering I would be powerless and totally screwed if I had been unlucky enough to recruit someone out to fuck me over. It would be total gastard move. IF there is a traitor in the game, the far far far more reasonable assumption is that they are somewhere in the larger covenants, investigating as a larger covenant, seeking to undermine a larger covenant. Some of us didn't have that problem, in getting items to Bufftabby. Then again, goodwill and charity would further town over other factions. Who was it who started the entire traitor thing to begin with? I agree that the mechanic as presented is totally "fuck me over" able. Beyond that, we still have the question marks with Swammer .... Namely the entire "I'm a watcher, but I will kill you if you don't hire my services." Thing we had a few posts back. But yes, there is tons of lack of logic with Swammer that no one else cares to converse with me. I read your last, and to me it reads as a good defense of those who are town, namely me. I don't know what you're reading, but my last line is totally the opposite of what you've been spewing about swammer, and as we are not in the same covenant, and I have already helped WOTB, a lot, without any dealings with bufftabby, your goodwill and charity have already been provided in abundance.
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Post by abstain on Sept 25, 2014 22:14:32 GMT -5
1. Sinjin and abstain, who have claimed to be masons and are mutually confirming each other, are you WotB? What other powers do you have? What was abstain doing with Peeker? Do you have any reason to believe the other is not a traitor?
We're both WOTB. No reason to suspect she is a traitor.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 26, 2014 0:43:15 GMT -5
A traitor mason falls about as low as a third party traitor on my list of likely things.
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 3:21:41 GMT -5
FWIW, the one tiny bit of information I am able to contribute is that Gnarly is not the Traitor. Good point, so the candidates are: Traitor: Colby, Guiri, [Sinjin & Abstain], [Bufftabby & Meeko] Hostile: Gnarly, Colby, Guiri, [Sinjin & Abstain] Attackers: Cookies & Dizzy, [Sinjin & Abstain] (since they have given no alibi or account of their actions, they could be the attackers who attacked and killed Bill, MentalGuy, Swammi, Bufftabby, Cookies & Colby. D3&N3 there were three attacks, on Bill, Swammi and MentalGuy. N3 I was being healed & blocked by Gnarly, watched by Swammi. Colby was investigating Swammi. Bufftabby tracked MentalGuy who had been with Patricia during D3. Two of the attacks could have been Suburban & Mahaloth but who did the third? Does anyone else have an alibi or information for D3/N3? Dizzy, Cookies, have you attacked anyone? Dizzy, can you recruit? Why are people voting for a non-hostile player? Someone please explain that to me. Sinjin, do you not have a separate communication channel with Abstain? That may make some sense, though if it's the Town Traitor whose death is needed, we need to Lynch Town suspects, not 3rd-parties.Well, if there are WotB getting killed in crossfire between the third parties, I can a great reason why the 3rd parties should be removed from the game. I stand by my theory that you're a Hostile traitor. Not to your own covenant, like you want to paint things as, so as to seem illogical, but intrinsically hostile to WotB no matter what your covenant might be at the time. Bufftabby, while that sounds feasible, it directly contradicts the information about traitors that Swammi originally shared - that the traitor was a traitor to his/her own covenant. Now since you do not believe Swammi, I understand that you may not believe his quoted PM, but then why do you believe there's a traitor at all? 1. Sinjin and abstain, who have claimed to be masons and are mutually confirming each other, are you WotB? What other powers do you have? What was abstain doing with Peeker? Do you have any reason to believe the other is not a traitor? We're both WOTB. No reason to suspect she is a traitor. Thanks. There were two other questions in there, will you reply? A traitor mason falls about as low as a third party traitor on my list of likely things. Agreed.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 26, 2014 4:08:02 GMT -5
It seems very unlikely that an Investigator (Colby) would be a Traitor. But should Traitor Mason really be discounted? Isn't that a fairly common mechanic? I'll attach my first PM from Mental Guy. He didn't keep me apprised of his targets, but his targetting of Patricia makes sense, thinking she was Town. swammerdami, I am in the covenant "Pilgrims of the Dark", which appears to be your covenant also. My wincon is the same as you described in the game thread. My power is "Strengthen/Weaken". If I target someone and they use their power, it will only perform as if they are hollow if they are human. If they are hollow, their power will perform as if they are human. This only affects the players power, it does not actually change their status. Also, if I am human, my target cannot be role-blocked. It costs 2 souls to use my ability if human, 3 if hollow. I start with [redacted]. You can announce any of this in the game thread, but I feel it would be best to not reveal who I am unless I am in danger of lynch. I, like you, planned to align with Town. MentalGuy
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Post by sinjin on Sept 26, 2014 6:42:08 GMT -5
Guiri:
I posted long ago that I am the WOTB recruiter and who I tried to recruit, Abstain gets results of the number of folks who change covenants every Day. We were able to talk without soapstones until he was hollowed. I had only one soapstone which I used to communicate with Colby.
Why where you able to use your single use owl twice? You used it one night and were blocked, then used it again the next night. I had limited use items in previous Storyteller games and if you used them even if blocked you lost them.
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 6:48:48 GMT -5
Guiri: I posted long ago that I am the WOTB recruiter and who I tried to recruit, Abstain gets results of the number of folks who change covenants every Day. We were able to talk without soapstones until he was hollowed. I had only one soapstone which I used to communicate with Colby. Sorry, I cannot find that post, you've mentioned Swammi and Cookies, is that everyone? Why where you able to use your single use owl twice? You used it one night and were blocked, then used it again the next night. I had limited use items in previous Storyteller games and if you used them even if blocked you lost them. I don't know why but I asked the same question. You were unable to act on Night Three, as some strange force left you weak, and exhausted. It's almost as if someone blocked you from performing the role you intended to perform. On the plus side, you are HUMAN again. The Human version of your powers now apply. Thanks. Can I attempt to use the Owl another time or is the one-off power used up by the block? Guiri No, you can attempt to use it again. Not, on the whole, a entirely bad outcome.
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 9:03:41 GMT -5
Abstain gets results of the number of folks who change covenants every Day. sinjin, abstain, So what was abstain doing with Peeker on N4? I targeted Abstain N4, (he targeted Peeker N4) Unless there's a good explanation, it appears that one of the three of you is lying, bufftabby who's investigated as WotB, or one of the claimed masons. Which is it? quote author=" sinjin" source="/post/115058/thread" timestamp="1411731728"]We were able to talk without soapstones until he was hollowed.[/quote]When, exactly, was Abstain hollowed?
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Post by bufftabby on Sept 26, 2014 9:27:34 GMT -5
I got my missing results from the mod: You are correct - you should have. Thus:
1. Abstain targeted peeker with a power that protected abstain from Night kills directed at abstain but would have caused both players to be affected by a Night kill targeting peeker.
2. Mentalguy targeted patricia with a power that allowed her to use her power as if she were Human rather than Hollow. I'm definitely interested in what Abstain has to say about the discrepancy there. I have no reason to believe my info from the mod would be inaccurate in any way. @ guiri: as to why I do believe there's actually a traitor, I feel like we're looking at a "doth protest too much" deflection gambit. Declining to join the WotB and claiming that it would reduce his power, and then going ahead and joining a different covenant seems shady to me as well. And then there's his continued disingenuous insistence that he's being lynched for a joke, especially when I've already clarified that point. None of that sits well with me at all. I most likely won't be able to hop back on before EOD. Various hells have broken loose at work, and I'm the lucky duck who gets to deal with all of it.
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 9:55:19 GMT -5
Vote abstain
Mason with a kill redirect?
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 10:14:30 GMT -5
Actually, does anyone know IF, HOW, or WHEN abstain was hollowed? I'm reminded of this, presumably sent by Suburban: "I'm a selfish seller using my own supply for now. I killed Pat and abstain will be truthfully revealed when hollowed." Could be an indication that he's hiding something. Is anyone reading along?
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Post by abstain on Sept 26, 2014 10:15:40 GMT -5
I was never hollowed. I only found out that I was on the player list when I went to check to see who was still alive.
Was it really wise to reveal that power?
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Post by abstain on Sept 26, 2014 10:16:41 GMT -5
storyteller0910 Avatar Sept 22, 2014 8:48:10 GMT 10 storyteller0910 said: 1. The player list is my (copy and paste) mistake - you are not Hollow, and I'll fix that.
2. Action received :-)
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 10:19:36 GMT -5
But SinJin said you lost communication when you were hollowed? We were able to talk without soapstones until he was hollowed.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 26, 2014 10:50:16 GMT -5
But SinJin said you lost communication when you were hollowed? We were able to talk without soapstones until he was hollowed. I stopped talking to him when I saw he was on the hollowed list. We haven't been communicating much anyway.
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Post by guiri on Sept 26, 2014 11:24:30 GMT -5
Sinjin, that's really not very convincing, he was put as hollowed when the Day 6 dusk was posted, possibly before.
OK then, with Day ending in 5 minutes, unsurprisingly no support for a lynch of a claimed mason, and a tied vote between a CoC and a WotB, I'll revert my vote...
Unvote Vote Swammi
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 26, 2014 11:42:08 GMT -5
Day is over, if I was here, I would have supported testing the claimed masons, because how easy would that be for a hostile group to claim Mason. I know there's been no counter, but maybe there is no Town Mason team.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 26, 2014 11:55:39 GMT -5
Bye bye, everybody!
@ Cookies - Thanks for inviting me to your team. I hope I didn't screw things for you @ Storyteller - Send spoilers please. Who's the real Scum? Meeko? Abstain? A dark horse?
@ Champions - Go Team! @ Town - สมน้ำหน้า
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