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Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 27, 2014 7:14:54 GMT -5
Dark Souls 2 Night Seven – Moderator's Note In lieu of color, you get a quick note from moderator central.
I wish to apologize for the uneven moderation throughout the course of this game. I've made a number of errors, missed some actions, and posted vote counts sporadically at best. Ultimately, this game was never intended to be handled by a single moderator; I had hoped to have two and possibly more, to try to keep things moving and provide backup and so on. Unfortunately, when we rebooted the game, the folks who had initially volunteered to help moderate were unavailable to continue. Rather than not run the game, I decided to try to do it on my own... the results have been rather less than optimal.
Thanks to everyone for continuing in the game and for your patience. I will try to pick it up and improve the quality of my work as we enter the home stretch.As for the game itself? Well, Day Seven ends thusly:
swammerdami, who was Darkdiver Grandhal, a member of the Covenant of Champions (Non-Hostile), has been lynched.
Some force renders bufftabby human again! Huzzah!
Bufftabby is now HUMAN.
And then some other force sends her right back where she came from! Boo Hiss!
Bufftabby is now HOLLOW.
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Night Seven begins here, and will end at 12:30PM on Monday, September 29.
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Post by guiri on Sept 27, 2014 7:29:58 GMT -5
Thanks for a fun game Storyteller, we appreciate how much effort goes into designing and running such a complex game.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 27, 2014 10:03:17 GMT -5
Good job lynching a non-hostile player. Exactly how has that progressed WOTB towards our win condition?
Guiri: why were you voting abstain at the end of Day? Just because you don't like his power? I told all about my role and the bit about abstain's power that should have been obvious to all. I left it up to him to disclose his other power. As far as the masons not talking much, it seems we are are line at significantly different times and have very different ideas about the game. You may have noted we haven't voted the same much this game.
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Post by guiri on Sept 27, 2014 10:21:32 GMT -5
Please read my posts from the end of Day 7 and you'll see a sequence of events starting with my deduction that you and abstain are on the short list of possible traitors, hostiles and attackers. Then I noted a discrepancy in your claim, you said he had one power while he was seen doing something else. You claimed to have told us everything about your actions but you haven't, and still haven't. When asked what he was doing N3 with Peeker abstain did not respond. You then stated that you were unable to talk due to his being hollowed which he then denied. There was the soapstone message about abstain being "truthfully" revealed which suggests he may not be what he appears. Then he claimed to have a power which redirected any attack from him onto the player of his choice and he chose Peeker, rather than one of the players he was voting or suspected? This is a shit load of evidence against him, even of he is a claimed mason with your support, but without a full claim from both of you and an investigation or reveal of one of you, I will continue to be highly suspicious and I certainly found him a better lynch candidate than either Swammi or Meeko. If you have a method to prove his towniness, given the update to his hollowed status in the player list, I will of course reconsider. Think about it from my side, a player who is unattackable and apparently part of a masonry would give a traitor a fair chance.
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 27, 2014 15:26:37 GMT -5
Please read my posts from the end of Day 7 and you'll see a sequence of events starting with my deduction that you and abstain are on the short list of possible traitors, hostiles and attackers. Then I noted a discrepancy in your claim, you said he had one power while he was seen doing something else. You claimed to have told us everything about your actions but you haven't, and still haven't. When asked what he was doing N3 with Peeker abstain did not respond. You then stated that you were unable to talk due to his being hollowed which he then denied. There was the soapstone message about abstain being "truthfully" revealed which suggests he may not be what he appears. Then he claimed to have a power which redirected any attack from him onto the player of his choice and he chose Peeker, rather than one of the players he was voting or suspected? This is a shit load of evidence against him, even of he is a claimed mason with your support, but without a full claim from both of you and an investigation or reveal of one of you, I will continue to be highly suspicious and I certainly found him a better lynch candidate than either Swammi or Meeko. If you have a method to prove his towniness, given the update to his hollowed status in the player list, I will of course reconsider. Think about it from my side, a player who is unattackable and apparently part of a masonry would give a traitor a fair chance. At least the swammer debate will be over... I hope. Next, in my opinion, is to lynch one of abstain or Sinjin. I am going back to reread your arguement, because I think I missed it. We have to test claims at this point
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 27, 2014 15:28:02 GMT -5
The only thing that puzzles me is that Sinjin actually gave me some souls in order to investigate people... Why would you do that if you are the traitor???
Maybe it is a mason team where one is actually scum?
Thinking out loud.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 27, 2014 17:53:00 GMT -5
You're doing awesome, story. No worries and thanks for being a glutton for punishment.
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Post by abstain on Sept 27, 2014 19:56:29 GMT -5
Please read my posts from the end of Day 7 and you'll see a sequence of events starting with my deduction that you and abstain are on the short list of possible traitors, hostiles and attackers. Then I noted a discrepancy in your claim, you said he had one power while he was seen doing something else. You claimed to have told us everything about your actions but you haven't, and still haven't. When asked what he was doing N3 with Peeker abstain did not respond. You then stated that you were unable to talk due to his being hollowed which he then denied. There was the soapstone message about abstain being "truthfully" revealed which suggests he may not be what he appears. Then he claimed to have a power which redirected any attack from him onto the player of his choice and he chose Peeker, rather than one of the players he was voting or suspected? This is a shit load of evidence against him, even of he is a claimed mason with your support, but without a full claim from both of you and an investigation or reveal of one of you, I will continue to be highly suspicious and I certainly found him a better lynch candidate than either Swammi or Meeko. If you have a method to prove his towniness, given the update to his hollowed status in the player list, I will of course reconsider. Think about it from my side, a player who is unattackable and apparently part of a masonry would give a traitor a fair chance. I'm going to break down this post. First: Sinjin said I had one power and I had another. Why would Sinjin tell everything about me? What use is it to reveal everything? Especially when it might hinder town's effort and potential survival and even victory. About Peeker: Why on earth would I tell you what I was doing when I was trying to keep myself alive? About Hollowed: Mod mistake, not mine. Go ahead and ask him. Not Sinjin's fault that she accepted the mod mistake as truth. About Peeker v2: Why would I NOT choose Peeker? A - Peeker wouldn't ever be attacked, therefore I can safeguard myself. B - Whilst I did consider using my power in a bit more aggressive sense (and did last night), my survival is far more important especially when the lynch goes through both levels. Re: Soapstone - If you trust that and think it is evidence against me then lol. I was never pro myself claiming and Sinjin's eagerness to claim was mildly frustrating - we have different philosophies to playing mafia and what the correct plays are. A hint should have been from the fact that neither sinjin or myself went after each other, from every other game we have played we have voted, etc each other. A traitor is a masonry without alerting the players to the fact it bastard modding and this game is not a bastard game from what I can tell. Regardless feel free to investigate me. What actual evidence is there against me?
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 27, 2014 22:01:16 GMT -5
Question- where is it that there is a traitor in the game? Went through the rules but don't see it
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Post by abstain on Sept 27, 2014 22:45:17 GMT -5
Question- where is it that there is a traitor in the game? Went through the rules but don't see it Some soapstone message and swammerdami said things about it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 27, 2014 23:33:17 GMT -5
... First: Sinjin said I had one power and I had another. Why would Sinjin tell everything about me? What use is it to reveal everything? Especially when it might hinder town's effort and potential survival and even victory. I have some particularly choice words about hypocrisy and how you apparently get to play your two person masonry conservatively in a way that is somehow suspicious when executed by another two person entity. And then there was that jackass comment about having a firmer foundation or something. Whatever. Suck my left third-party non-hostile tit, and I mean that in the most pleasant and really not pissed at you way. Considering that there was an orange soapstone message saying that something would happen if you were hollowed, I find it quite strange that the two of you didn't even discuss the apparent though apparently erroneous change in your status. But if you are this charming and lovable in-game, I could see how Sinjin might not be inclined to talk to you much on the mason board. Circumstantial.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Sept 28, 2014 9:19:14 GMT -5
i'm pissed for two reasons: 1. i missed EOD because i mistakenly thought that Day was up to toDay. 2. swammi was lynched. it's small consolation that my vote wouldn't have saved him. i don't think Meeko is hostile but lynching him would statistically been better than swammi. it really was stupid. swammi being hostile meant that Cookies was too after Colby said she was non-hostile. it was particularly harebrained for him to vote for swammi. his reason was to test the claims. that's crap. you do that to players who have nothing to support their claims. he had the investigation of Cookies. that's his own investigation. if he can't trust it we might as well toss all the others. he couldn't be traitor either because he had no one to betray. furthermore, there were hints that the two non-hostile groups were hostile to each other. Please read my posts from the end of Day 7 and you'll see a sequence of events starting with my deduction that you and abstain are on the short list of possible traitors, hostiles and attackers. Then I noted a discrepancy in your claim, you said he had one power while he was seen doing something else. You claimed to have told us everything about your actions but you haven't, and still haven't. When asked what he was doing N3 with Peeker abstain did not respond. You then stated that you were unable to talk due to his being hollowed which he then denied. There was the soapstone message about abstain being "truthfully" revealed which suggests he may not be what he appears. Then he claimed to have a power which redirected any attack from him onto the player of his choice and he chose Peeker, rather than one of the players he was voting or suspected? This is a shit load of evidence against him, even of he is a claimed mason with your support, but without a full claim from both of you and an investigation or reveal of one of you, I will continue to be highly suspicious and I certainly found him a better lynch candidate than either Swammi or Meeko. If you have a method to prove his towniness, given the update to his hollowed status in the player list, I will of course reconsider. Think about it from my side, a player who is unattackable and apparently part of a masonry would give a traitor a fair chance. At least the swammer debate will be over... I hope. Next, in my opinion, is to lynch one of abstain or Sinjin. I am going back to reread your arguement, because I think I missed it. We have to test claims at this point ugh. i really hate this test the claims line. let's discuss actions since apparently that is better proof than investigative results. ----------------------- all players must post full PMs (excluding soapstone and soul count if they so wish) and state all actions whether Day or Night. let's cut all this bullshit.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 28, 2014 9:35:52 GMT -5
... First: Sinjin said I had one power and I had another. Why would Sinjin tell everything about me? What use is it to reveal everything? Especially when it might hinder town's effort and potential survival and even victory. I have some particularly choice words about hypocrisy and how you apparently get to play your two person masonry conservatively in a way that is somehow suspicious when executed by another two person entity. And then there was that jackass comment about having a firmer foundation or something. Whatever. Suck my left third-party non-hostile tit, and I mean that in the most pleasant and really not pissed at you way. Considering that there was an orange soapstone message saying that something would happen if you were hollowed, I find it quite strange that the two of you didn't even discuss the apparent though apparently erroneous change in your status. But if you are this charming and lovable in-game, I could see how Sinjin might not be inclined to talk to you much on the mason board. Circumstantial. I'm sorry, I have not been very involved in the game. Like I've said before I am in the middle of a transcontinental family upheaval that is taking all of my time and energy. I did not talk to Abstain about his hollowing since I believed story's list and I didn't want to violate the rule that we had to use soapstones to communicate if one of us was hollowed. I assumed I missed his hollowing due to the distraction of RL. And to be honest I totally forgot about the orange soapstone thing.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 28, 2014 12:10:33 GMT -5
No one needs to apologize. I'm having fun and hope everyone else is.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 28, 2014 12:28:50 GMT -5
˙pɹoʍ doʇs ǝɥʇ ʇobɹoɟ I ןןıʇun 'ssǝɹʇsıW ʎɯ 'ooʇ unɟ buıʌɐɥ sɐʍ I
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Post by guiri on Sept 28, 2014 12:42:43 GMT -5
That's really tough to read on an iphone, the screen keeps switching around so it's impossible to read upside down, but I gather you were a happy puppy, that's nice.
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Post by guiri on Sept 28, 2014 12:56:12 GMT -5
I'm going to break down this post. First: Sinjin said I had one power and I had another. Why would Sinjin tell everything about me? What use is it to reveal everything? Because you were seen with Peeker on D3 so it was clear that you were doing something else. You could have acknowledged being seen and explained that it was in town's interest to keep the action hidden but no, you simply ignored the question. Especially when it might hinder town's effort and potential survival and even victory. Since when is the survival of a mason so crucial??? This is exactly the reason you are so suspicious! About Peeker: Why on earth would I tell you what I was doing when I was trying to keep myself alive? Because you were seen with him, and refused to answer questions about it, and because "keeping yourself alive" is not the wincon of a town mason? About Hollowed: Mod mistake, not mine. Go ahead and ask him. Not Sinjin's fault that she accepted the mod mistake as truth. I have no problem with the mistake, it's the result of the mistake, what sort of mason goes an ENTIRE Day/Night cycle without talking to the other, no results to share, no strategy, no thoughts? Not very mason-like of you. About Peeker v2: Why would I NOT choose Peeker? A - Peeker wouldn't ever be attacked, therefore I can safeguard myself. B - Whilst I did consider using my power in a bit more aggressive sense (and did last night), my survival is far more important especially when the lynch goes through both levels. Here we are again with your survival being of utmost importance, this is mafia, you have claimed WotB, your survival is NOT important unless you are a traitor or have another wincon, see? Re: Soapstone - If you trust that and think it is evidence against me then lol. So, what do you think it means? was never pro myself claiming and Sinjin's eagerness to claim was mildly frustrating - we have different philosophies to playing mafia and what the correct plays are. Well, you said you wanted to go last, so come on them, claim! A hint should have been from the fact that neither sinjin or myself went after each other, from every other game we have played we have voted, etc each other. Personally I'm suspicious of you, not Sinjin, I suspect YOU are the traitor. A traitor is a masonry without alerting the players to the fact it bastard modding and this game is not a bastard game from what I can tell. I asked Sinjin to share what information she has about you, why she believes you are WotB, and why we should trust you, no reply so far. We have been told there's a traitor. Regardless feel free to investigate me. What actual evidence is there against me? See previous.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 28, 2014 19:03:51 GMT -5
I believe abstain is WOTB because we are masons together, doh I have no reason to believe he is the traitor and if he is the traitor then story has made a gastard game that I would not care to play and could care less if I lose. What kind of information about abstain do you think I have about abstain that would convince you that he is or is not a traitor? Do you think he copied me a pm and forgot to exclude a line that said he was a traitor? Or whispered in my ear in a bout of drunken stupidness that he was the traitor? Or maybe he pinky swore that he wasn't a traitor. No. I don't believe abstain is the traitor because I trust in Storyteller****'s integrity as a game maker and player.
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Post by abstain on Sept 28, 2014 23:04:39 GMT -5
I'm going to break down this post. First: Sinjin said I had one power and I had another. Why would Sinjin tell everything about me? What use is it to reveal everything? Because you were seen with Peeker on D3 so it was clear that you were doing something else. You could have acknowledged being seen and explained that it was in town's interest to keep the action hidden but no, you simply ignored the question. I didn't need to bring it into the light it would've been much better to have remained hidden.Especially when it might hinder town's effort and potential survival and even victory. Since when is the survival of a mason so crucial??? This is exactly the reason you are so suspicious! Have you not been paying attention? I am told when people change covenants - that is a very important role in a game like this. The survival of a mason is far more important in the later game when suspects are narrowed down. Early game not so much.About Peeker: Why on earth would I tell you what I was doing when I was trying to keep myself alive? Because you were seen with him, and refused to answer questions about it, and because "keeping yourself alive" is not the wincon of a town mason? As my power above (which has already been mentioned in thread) is important, keeping myself alive helps town.About Hollowed: Mod mistake, not mine. Go ahead and ask him. Not Sinjin's fault that she accepted the mod mistake as truth. I have no problem with the mistake, it's the result of the mistake, what sort of mason goes an ENTIRE Day/Night cycle without talking to the other, no results to share, no strategy, no thoughts? Not very mason-like of you. Nothing to say that needed to be said in private.About Peeker v2: Why would I NOT choose Peeker? A - Peeker wouldn't ever be attacked, therefore I can safeguard myself. B - Whilst I did consider using my power in a bit more aggressive sense (and did last night), my survival is far more important especially when the lynch goes through both levels. Here we are again with your survival being of utmost importance, this is mafia, you have claimed WotB, your survival is NOT important unless you are a traitor or have another wincon, see? My survival IS important due to my power.Re: Soapstone - If you trust that and think it is evidence against me then lol. So, what do you think it means? No idea. Assuming some kind of miracle or item someone used on me (if true) that makes me reveal my alignment if turned hollow? Maybe to place suspicion on me? I don't know.was never pro myself claiming and Sinjin's eagerness to claim was mildly frustrating - we have different philosophies to playing mafia and what the correct plays are. Well, you said you wanted to go last, so come on them, claim! All my powers have been said, but to make it easy on you: Mason talk, the doctor power thingy, and to see if anyone has changed covenant. Incidentally, I claimed in my first post.A hint should have been from the fact that neither sinjin or myself went after each other, from every other game we have played we have voted, etc each other. Personally I'm suspicious of you, not Sinjin, I suspect YOU are the traitor. A traitor is a masonry without alerting the players to the fact it bastard modding and this game is not a bastard game from what I can tell. I asked Sinjin to share what information she has about you, why she believes you are WotB, and why we should trust you, no reply so far. We have been told there's a traitor. Regardless feel free to investigate me. What actual evidence is there against me? See previous. Bolded mine.
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Post by guiri on Sept 29, 2014 0:47:26 GMT -5
What kind of information about abstain do you think I have about abstain that would convince you that he is or is not a traitor? You know that PM you should have received from the moderator which stated that you and abstain are masons and that you can be 100% sure that Abstain is true to WotB? An excerpt from that PM would convince me that he's not a traitor. I get the feeling we probably wouldn't have had any of this conversation had you both played this differently, and I cannot help but notice the radio silence from most of the other players.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 29, 2014 1:11:55 GMT -5
I'd rather be leaving the masonry alone for now. There are other rocks to look under.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 29, 2014 8:27:05 GMT -5
Welcome to the Game; you are The Emerald HeraldYour name is Shanalotte, a name given to you by the ancient dragons who took you in when the madman who created you cast you out. What purpose you were orginally intended to serve is unknown, but in any case - it didn't work. You were a failed creation - just one in a long line of such - and like the others your father cast you away to wander through the centuries, ageless and undying. The faded King Vendrick was unable - or unwilling - to find a way to end the curse of immortality that afflicts you; with the power of the throne of Drangleic, perhaps a different ruler might be able to set you free. You have called a single chosen undead to Drangleic to claim that throne, and along with the rest of the Way of the Blue you will support the Chosen... unless a surer claimant comes along.
You have been in league with the warrior named Saulden (abstain) since the Chosen was called. So long as either of you lives, neither of you may ever leave the Way of the Blue under any circumstances.STARTING COVENANT: The Way of the BlueSTARTING SOULS: 20 STARTING SOAPSTONES: 1 (w); 1 (o) ABILITIES- Masonry (Passive) – As long as both you and Saulden remain Human, you may converse freely (by PM - copy the moderator!) with no need of Soapstones. Should either of you become Hollowed, this ability will be lost unless and until you both are human again.
- Call of the Way (Active - 5 souls per use) - Human: You may choose one target by Day. If your target is already part of the Way of the Blue, this ability will prevent him or her from accepting recruitment during that Day and the following Night. If your target is part of another Covenant and eligible for recruitment into the Way of the Blue, this ability will offer them the opportunity to join. Hollow: You must choose either to prevent recruitment or attempt to recruit; the choice will not be automatically made depending on the Covenant of your target.
There, happy? I will be away the rest of the day dealing with banks, nursing homes and asshole brothers, have fun, feel free to vote me off the island.
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Post by guiri on Sept 29, 2014 9:23:16 GMT -5
Actually yes, thank you, it seems I may have been barking up the wrong tree.
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 29, 2014 21:34:46 GMT -5
But that leaves us with few options- myself, Bufftabby, Meeko, Guiri, Gnarlycharlie.... Pretty sure I'm missing someone....
Not sure how to proceed
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Post by abstain on Sept 29, 2014 23:47:43 GMT -5
Through those people?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2014 3:03:02 GMT -5
Ugh. It is with a heavy, heavy heart that I relay some really sad news I just saw on Facebook. Peeker left us all on Sunday. Goddamn it.
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Post by guiri on Sept 30, 2014 3:21:09 GMT -5
That's terrible news, we will miss him sorely. Damn.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2014 3:22:52 GMT -5
I am crying like a baby. Everyone take care of yourselves and love on your loved ones.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 30, 2014 6:27:22 GMT -5
I was just logging on to post that. How horrific . He was a great guy and will be sorely missed
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 30, 2014 6:30:44 GMT -5
Peeker was Mason with me in one of my very first Mafia Games, and made a point of reaching out and encouraging me. I didn't know him well at all, yet the news also makes me very sad.
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