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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 13:15:31 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 13:15:31 GMT -5
Roosh, if a Weak Doctor with the power to defend against Shu attacks made a claim identical to the one you made, do you think that player would have lost his powers? Yes or no? May I ask WHY you are asking that Question? Because that question is what's making me so paranoid about YOU, sir. To me, a Townie would be content with the Fact that a CLAIM was made and it was not counterclaimed. To me, Scum would want to know further if the claim had lost its abilities or not. Can you explain that to me first, before I answer That question?
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 13:37:12 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 6, 2008 13:37:12 GMT -5
*sigh*
I'll field this question, if you don't mind, story.
Mafia games are like a puzzle. Even though this is an open setup, it has become obvious that there are some pieces of the puzzle that are missing. I, for one, am trying to put this puzzle together. It was never against the rules to claim. The rules only said one that claims loses their powers. Pleonast is saying that if you're town, you've lost your powers. You're saying you haven't. One of you is lying. If we could get your official stance, instead of having to wade through mumbo jumbo about what you're telling us to, and not to pay attention to (that's not how it works, by the way, and you know that), it'd be much easier for us to determine which one of you deserves to die. As is, if you -are- town, you would know that Pleo is lying. Why do you not have your vote on him?
Some of the puzzle pieces are not fitting, and you're not making it any easier.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 13:49:06 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 6, 2008 13:49:06 GMT -5
Santo,
Can you answer the questions I left for Story that he didn't answer? Really anyone who is voting for Roosh.
If Roosh is lying about his role, why shouldn't there be a counterclaim? If there is no counterclaim, why shouldn't I then assume Roosh isn't scum? You may disagree with Roosh's strategy (I don't), but whether or not he is scum is a different question and it's one I think has an easy answer.
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Feb 6, 2008 13:49:15 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 13:49:15 GMT -5
Since I'm waiting for your answer to the above question, I thought I'd take a look at a post of yours that's really been bothering me, Story. If you want to reply to this one, Go ahead. But please, answer the above question first and then get into this one. These Two paragraphs bug me, Story. As i don't expect you to have this sort of shoddy analysis. But in this game, even if Roosh dies and is revealed as a Weak Doctor, he has made it clear that he feels free to be dishonest with us. Roosh knows best, after all. So even if he dies and his alignment is revealed as pro-town, the veracity of everything he's ever said remains in doubt. We can't trust a word, so we can't base any further decisions on it. This one is just hyperbole mixed in with some sarcasm of your own. As I've not lied over anything, and hell when I have said untrue statements- I've POINTED them OUT. Trust me, Story. I know how problematic it is for a townie to die and have scum use his posts to help their cause (I still have not forgiven myself for falling for Klutz in FireFly). If I ever feel threatened, I WILL let you know the interpretations of ALL my posts before I die. You're the one who taught me that i should play as if every Day may be my last. That's why I made such a post at the end of Day 1, in case I died, because it explained all my Actions, Story. I will NOT let there be any misinterpretations if I can help it. Honestly, Roosh, if you are pro-town, and you honestly believe that the way you've gone about deceiving the town hasn't hurt us, then you're not reading very carefully. We've been trained by multiple iterations of this game to try to pick up on lies, misdirections, prevarications, dissemblings. You've thus made it so that people who are honestly searching for scum will pick up on your own lies and misdirections, and pursue you. They waste time and analysis on you (again, assuming you are pro-town). If you are lynched and turn out to be pro-town, suspicion will turn on me. As I am not scum, this would then waste a second Day's worth of discussion. Meanwhile, the real scum can hide behind legitimate suspicion of you, because you are lying, after all. And for what? What's the big benefit of all of this? I'm really frustrated right now. If the townies are going to lie as much as the scum, then I am at a genuine loss as to where to go next. Again. There are 3 major people suspicious of me. Of those 3, One is misinformed (S.Rugger) and is basing his vote of of a misinterpretation of Pleo's Post. He may or may not be scum. The other, I strongly feel is not scum and I've said explicitly that I don't want him to talk further about it. Pleo. If he has problems with me, then he should simply just state he'd like me to re-claim, and for him I will. The 3rd person has been hounding me, NOT due to the fact that I have claimed a role that has not been counterclaimed, but because they have taken offense to the issue of whether or not I have ANY Powers, or if I may have lied about that. Pleo also has this stance slightly, however, as I've said before i feel strongly he's more Towny. This 3rd person now is complaining that they will be unfairly looked at when I come up as Town -If I come up as town. Even though this person was the one who BROUGHT Up this whole mess and simply has a problem because they don't see a Counter-Claim against me, but refuses to think that perhaps if someone claims and no one counter-claims, there must be an alternative explanation other than that person is who they said they were. So you've created this whole mess on "Oh he's a liar and he's been lying all this time, and THAT'S why I voted for him. Even if he's eventually revealed to be a Townie, it's not MY Fault. It's HIS Fault for being such a liar (even though I've explained clearly all of my Day 1 posts as soon as I couldl; what makes you think I wouldn't do that of Day 2 when the Day ends?) So right now there are 3 people who are suspicious. Of those 3 one is the MOST suspicious to me. And that's the one who brought up the whole mess, the one who's exaggerated the lying business and made it to be a bigger deal than it really is, the one who has also just made a tidy little post then BLAMING THE VICTIM and stating their innocence "should the victim come up town." AND (The part that's most damning to me: You keep differentiating the question- you don't care about my ROLE at all, you want to know about what my ROLES ABILITIES are. And that's it, not my Scummy-ness due to my Role Claim, but rather simply do I have abilities or not). Come on, Story. You're accusing me of being Scum only if you REALLY think that right? So why don't you man up and stand BEHIND the consequences of your actions- trying to lynch a KNOWN Role that has NOT been counterclaimed. So in the absence of any other discussion so far, and since of the 3 people trying to lynch a known Town member, I will Vote Storyteller.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 13:53:20 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 13:53:20 GMT -5
May I ask WHY you are asking that Question? Because the answer will inform upon my opinion regarding whether or not you are still lying, and therefore likely to be scum. Roosh, according to your own posts, you've been "paranoid" about ME since the game started, basically. Be as paranoid as you please; I am not particularly concerned with my own behind. This is patent nonsense. As has been said repeatedly, there are many reasons that a counterclaim may not have been presented. One of them is that you are telling the truth. But there are others, and I'm not going to discount those other possibilities on your say-so, especially when you are stonewalling so stubbornly. Like the rest of us, the scum don't even know if you are telling the truth about your role. And as I have already explained at tedious length, the question of whether or not your powers are intact if you are telling the truth is of little interest to the scum. I have done so. Will you answer?
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 13:55:12 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 13:55:12 GMT -5
As is, if you -are- town, you would know that Pleo is lying. Why do you not have your vote on him? Some of the puzzle pieces are not fitting, and you're not making it any easier. I know that Pleo is NOT lying. But neither am I. And I know exactly where the issue in question lies. But I will not explain it, until Story himself answers my question. (and actually on review, Hawkeye posts another version of the Q that is quite what i'm getting at as well). I also know that I'm Town. And that I am an UN-COUNTERCLAIMED Townie. I am a contested townie, sure, but not a counterclaimed one. And Pleo, I know one part of the Rules that you don't. And it's a really stupid rule IMHO. So if you want to claim My role to COUNTER my claim, that's fine, but I do not think that is your intention is it? If it's not, I'd rather you just unvote, and I'll explain everything AFTER I hear Story's reasoning. Because I do not understand his persistence on this issue from a Townie standpoint. My Abilities as a Townie should NOT COME INTO THE DISCUSSION at ALL. Only MY ROLE. Which so far has NOT come into question. Only my abilities. There is a huge difference in trying to find my Role vs. Trying to find my ABILITIES, Pygmy, don't you see that?
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 13:56:11 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 13:56:11 GMT -5
Santo, Can you answer the questions I left for Story that he didn't answer? Really anyone who is voting for Roosh. If Roosh is lying about his role, why shouldn't there be a counterclaim? I have answered this, but since no one will acknowledge it, I will try it in capital letters. It is possible that there has been no counterclaim because THE PERSON WHO HAS THE ROLE MIGHT HAVE DECIDED FOR HIM- OR HERSELF THAT THE LOSS OF HIS OR HER POWERS WOULDN'T BE WORTH THE DEATH OF ROOSH. OK?
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:01:59 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 14:01:59 GMT -5
Only MY ROLE. Which so far has NOT come into question. Only my abilities. There is a huge difference in trying to find my Role vs. Trying to find my ABILITIES, Pygmy, don't you see that? It is not your abilities about which I am concerned. It is the question of whether or not you are lying to the town.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:02:29 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 6, 2008 14:02:29 GMT -5
Santo, Can you answer the questions I left for Story that he didn't answer? Really anyone who is voting for Roosh. If Roosh is lying about his role, why shouldn't there be a counterclaim? I have answered this, but since no one will acknowledge it, I will try it in capital letters. It is possible that there has been no counterclaim because THE PERSON WHO HAS THE ROLE MIGHT HAVE DECIDED FOR HIM- OR HERSELF THAT THE LOSS OF HIS OR HER POWERS WOULDN'T BE WORTH THE DEATH OF ROOSH. OK? Well yes, I understand that. But, as you have argued previously, the power has very little value. I cannot see how losing that power is not worth confirming a scum. So I'm asking how said person would justify that decision that the power has greater value then Roosh's death.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:04:08 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 6, 2008 14:04:08 GMT -5
(dead people and mods removed)
Around 100 posts and 38 (or more if they've posted since I got the post number data) are just from Roosh and storyteller. 40% from two people.
Just sayin'.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:07:09 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 14:07:09 GMT -5
Well yes, I understand that. But, as you have argued previously, the power has very little value. I cannot see how losing that power is not worth confirming a scum. So I'm asking how said person would justify that decision that the power has greater value then Roosh's death. I'm sorry to get snippy. I'm getting a little frustrated here. Here's the thing. If I were in the position of having to decide whether to counterclaim Roosh in this situation (I'm emphaticaly not, just to forestall any creative readers), I'd be torn. On the one hand, the power is of relatively modest value, and countering might net me scum. On the other hand, the fact that the power is of modest value now does not mean that it won't be more valuable in the endgame, depending on how things play out. Plus, the hypothetical me would know that Roosh, at this point, was a bird in hand, as it were. Sooner or later, hypothetical me will be killed, or forced to claim by lynch pressure, or scum from a different faction will take a shot at Roosh, and then Roosh's whole claim collapses. Thus, the benefit of counterclaiming becomes muted, because from the moment scum makes a false claim (especially this early in the game), he or she is on deathwatch anyway. Why lose my power, which has a small but concrete chance of affecting the endgame, to speed up a lynch that is now inevitable?
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Feb 6, 2008 14:07:45 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 14:07:45 GMT -5
Fine.
I am Zhang Bao. And I am a doctor that works against the Shu faction.
I was Not counter Claimed because THERE IS NOT FUCKING OTHER ZHANG BAO out there. Only me.
My claim was valid under the Rules I was given, Pleo. HOWEVER, here's the one dickish rule i got to find out. If you make a claim like mine, the Mods will be cool with it. They don't mind it, nor do they consider it against the rules.
HOWEVER, they will NOT tell you you've lost your abilities until DUSK. So that is why there is a difference in my posts, Story from yesterday and Today. Yesterday the Mods were fine with my claim. However, it was at Dusk that I FOUND OUT that I lost my powers and all abilities. So that is why I was irked, and it's also why I've reversed my position on claiming. Because yesterday, I thought it was perfectly fine given the PMs I was given. However, at night I found out the real heart of the matter.
AND for Cookies and those curious. My Claim was perfectly valid, and ALMOST dodged the Implicit rule, Pleo. The Reason that I lost my powers however was because I said "Shoes". I had only said "footwear" I would NOT have lost my abilities, and my claim would be a perfectly valid claim under the Rules given, Pleonast as apparently Footwear is not implicit but Shoes is.
However, I didn't know any of this until a nice little congratulatory PM i received AFTER the Day was Over.
And with that, of the 3 People voting for me. Story, YOU ARE STILL the scummiest, as your whole problem with me is BULLSHIT. You've constantly hounded me trying to figure out the extent of my abilities and NOT focusing on the simple fact that I was NOT counter claimed by ANYONE. Hawkeye was able to see this easily, why weren't you?
And that's why pleo i don't want you to say shit. Because if you ask the mods if your claim is okay, they're not going to tell you until AFTER DUSK. Which I HATED, and as soon as I saw that, I started to kick myself for the posts I had made during the Day, which you Story so conveniently brung up and distracted the Town making this whole Day about me. Simply because you felt that there was another doctor with my role, but who didn't want to catch scum or give a 50-50 trade off because they really really wanted to keep thier abilities? Really? To me, that's just BS.
What OTHER Scum faction other than the Shus would want the Shu doctor Dead? There's only 2 people in this game that'd pull such a stunt really... and you think the Shu doctor feels their role is THAT important, that they'd rather wait for OTHER scum to be caught? Especially after the night we just had? Bullshit.
My vote remains as it is.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:09:25 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 14:09:25 GMT -5
Fuck.
Roosh, it's probably not going to matter much now, but your explanation eliminates my concern. Vote for me if you wish, but I will no longer be voting for you.
unvote Roosh
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Feb 6, 2008 14:11:18 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 14:11:18 GMT -5
On the other hand, the fact that the power is of modest value now does not mean that it won't be more valuable in the endgame, depending on how things play out. Plus, the hypothetical me would know that Roosh, at this point, was a bird in hand, as it were. Sooner or later, hypothetical me will be killed, or forced to claim by lynch pressure, or scum from a different faction will take a shot at Roosh, and then Roosh's whole claim collapses. Thus, the benefit of counterclaiming becomes muted, because from the moment scum makes a false claim (especially this early in the game), he or she is on deathwatch anyway. Why lose my power, which has a small but concrete chance of affecting the endgame, to speed up a lynch that is now inevitable? But now if there was no other Shu doctor, that kinda makes this point moot, huh? So good Job Story. I had lost my powers last night. You figured it all Out. Good fucking Job.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:16:09 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 14:16:09 GMT -5
But now if there was no other Shu doctor, that kinda makes this point moot, huh? So good Job Story. I had lost my powers last night. You figured it all Out. Good fucking Job. Dude, you know what? I believe your story, and I'm not voting for you, but fuck that noise up there, OK? If you think that you get a special exemption, and you can be inconsistent and no one is going to question it because you're special, you're crazy. Your story changed, I had reason to believe that you were lying, and I pointed it out and pursued it. My conclusion was wrong, but my method was not, and I do not apologize for it.
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Feb 6, 2008 14:19:29 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 14:19:29 GMT -5
But now if there was no other Shu doctor, that kinda makes this point moot, huh? So good Job Story. I had lost my powers last night. You figured it all Out. Good fucking Job. /out of Game On second read, that Line actually feels quite bitter and vitrolic. Let me assure you this is not the case. I'm actually laughing, Story for how well you've played me and for all but forcing me to Re-claim. There is no animosity towards you, only respect, and laughter at this game. So yeah. That line above was only said in jest and I was quite amused when I wrote it. I do have a flair though for the Dramatics though, and I felt it was funny at the time. But once again to clarify- No hard feelings towards what's gone down Today. I still like you, and I salute your playing style and its differences from mine. Maybe a silly smiley will make it feel less bitter? ? :shrug: Anyways, well played, sir. And I do agree that the game has been frustrating. But that's all that I'm feeling. Only frustration. The Laughter is good. //out of Game But I still think you're scum.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:20:21 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Feb 6, 2008 14:20:21 GMT -5
Dilemma resolved. Unvote (Roosh)And I am not a happy camper. Roosh, assuming your claim is truthful, you should have stated your loss of power as soon as your claim became an issue again. Yes, that information will help the Factions a little, but story is right about the Town needing truth from itself.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:22:12 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 6, 2008 14:22:12 GMT -5
Roosh - Fair enough. For what it's worth, I am profoundly frustrated myself. I'm also going to shut the hell up for a little while now, and try to recalibrate. But I still think you're scum. You're wrong about that, but I don't expect you to take my word for it. That'd be downright Roosh-ian.
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Feb 6, 2008 14:27:10 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 6, 2008 14:27:10 GMT -5
Roosh, assuming your claim is truthful, you should have stated your loss of power as soon as your claim became an issue again. Yes, that information will help the Factions a little, but story is right about the Town needing truth from itself. Yes. I felt my claim became an issue Today. That's why I claimed. I knew i was going to claim, but I wanted to hear storyteller's reasons for WHY he wanted to know about my ability so much. I knew what was going to eventually happen, so i was prepared for it. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. I would have rather not had to answer the question, have the Scum only have to deal with "does he have his powers or not?" and let the Town be content with the fact that the man is claiming a "weak role" and Not Counter Claimed. I have no been "lying" to the Town anywhere else. That post I made, I went back toDay and retracted it. And I wish I had known yesterday what I knew TODAY, but unfortunately I could not easily convey that, and since I slowly came to the realization that NOTHING else was going to happen until this issue was resolved, I re-claimed. And as soon as you got involved, I knew I had to claim quick, as I will give you that warning that I was denied. The "implicit" business is a VERY VERY slippery slope. The only way you know that you've fallen is only when it's too late and you try to submit a night action. That's why it's best to avoid falling down it. But i didn't know that until toDay sadly. So I hoped that it wouldn't be an issue and that we could just accept me and move on. Sadly that was not the case. But so... everybody, who's your #2 suspect for scum?
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Feb 6, 2008 14:33:48 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 6, 2008 14:33:48 GMT -5
<snip> Around 100 posts and 38 (or more if they've posted since I got the post number data) are just from Roosh and storyteller. 40% from two people. Just sayin'. Good point. You should probably participate some more.
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Feb 6, 2008 14:37:53 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2008 14:37:53 GMT -5
:facepalm smiley:
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Feb 6, 2008 14:41:07 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 6, 2008 14:41:07 GMT -5
Damn it, Roosh, why didn't you just say that at the beginning of the day, instead of throwing the town for a loop. This isn't the Roosh show, and now you've wasted two days when you could have just been up front in the first place, and we could have focused on finding scum. In addition, you've made Pleo look like a liar, and didn't defend him in the least, even though you knew he didn't know what you knew. Seriously, man, there's still ten of us left trying to find scum. Care to help us out a bit?
Unvote Roosh.
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Feb 6, 2008 14:45:14 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 6, 2008 14:45:14 GMT -5
I applaud story's ruthless hounding of Roosh, and do not understand why Roosh has his vote on somebody who's method found an inconsistency in a claim, and doggedly pursued said inconsistency was revolved. That, to me, is very pro-town.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 14:45:30 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 6, 2008 14:45:30 GMT -5
Good point. You should probably participate some more. Workin' on that. Went back and re-read all posts not by storyteller or Roosh so far on Day 2. The only thing that jumped out at me was: Imho, the safest bet with respect to Roosh is to interpret his role claim as a null tell at this point, in the absence of a (clear and intended) counter-claim. He's pulled this sort of "creativity" on both sides of the aisle in previous games. However, unlike Roosh, I don't mind taking the time to put him under the microscope for a while, even if he is town. There are 6 scummies in our midst, and talking about Roosh or the whole claiming/rules debate seems as fertile of an environment as any to provide fodder for some solid post analysis. Cookies comes out with the idea that it's a good idea to discuss Roosh as that will give us things to do for post analysis. Then she proceeds to not post anything or provide any post analysis aside from a comment about Roosh's style of play. Sort of a do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do move. This is pretty much shaky at best, but nothing else really jumped out at me, however. I guess a look-see over Day 1 again is in order.
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Feb 6, 2008 14:48:01 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 6, 2008 14:48:01 GMT -5
hawkeyeop, is this the question to which you were referring? Well, previously it seemed like you thought the loss of a minor power was a small price to pay to out a scum. Why do you now think now that it is too high a price to determine a definite answer on if Roosh is scum? If so, the point is now moot, but to answer the question, it's because Roosh was lying.
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Feb 6, 2008 14:49:26 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 6, 2008 14:49:26 GMT -5
Oy vey. I have one little busy day and all hell breaks loose.
Roosh, I have one question for you. In your second claim, you said:
If this is true, how do you reconcile it with what Pleonast said about claiming, which was:
The way I look at it, one of you has to be lying. If what you said in your second claim is correct, and you know this, why are you not voting for Pleonast because he was lying to the town and trying to force you to reclaim? Why are you instead voting for storyteller?
Also, story and Pleonast, what about Roosh's second claim, specifically, reconciles this in your minds enough to cause you to unvote Roosh? I especially ask this of Pleonast, who should know that Roosh is still lying about his claim if it's truly a "bright line" as he stated it was earlier toDay. Is it just because you now think we're in a bastard mod game where the mods are lying to us about what the rules truly are? And if so, why are you so quick to believe that when the only person telling it to you is someone who you thought was scum eight hours ago?
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Feb 6, 2008 14:53:25 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 6, 2008 14:53:25 GMT -5
Good point. You should probably participate some more. Workin' on that. Went back and re-read all posts not by storyteller or Roosh so far on Day 2. The only thing that jumped out at me was: Imho, the safest bet with respect to Roosh is to interpret his role claim as a null tell at this point, in the absence of a (clear and intended) counter-claim. He's pulled this sort of "creativity" on both sides of the aisle in previous games. However, unlike Roosh, I don't mind taking the time to put him under the microscope for a while, even if he is town. There are 6 scummies in our midst, and talking about Roosh or the whole claiming/rules debate seems as fertile of an environment as any to provide fodder for some solid post analysis. Cookies comes out with the idea that it's a good idea to discuss Roosh as that will give us things to do for post analysis. Then she proceeds to not post anything or provide any post analysis aside from a comment about Roosh's style of play. Sort of a do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do move. This is pretty much shaky at best, but nothing else really jumped out at me, however. I guess a look-see over Day 1 again is in order. Is there a statute of limitations on the timing of post analysis that I'm not aware of?
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 15:09:38 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Feb 6, 2008 15:09:38 GMT -5
Also, story and Pleonast, what about Roosh's second claim, specifically, reconciles this in your minds enough to cause you to unvote Roosh? I especially ask this of Pleonast, who should know that Roosh is still lying about his claim if it's truly a "bright line" as he stated it was earlier toDay. Is it just because you now think we're in a bastard mod game where the mods are lying to us about what the rules truly are? And if so, why are you so quick to believe that when the only person telling it to you is someone who you thought was scum eight hours ago? I unvoted because Roosh's admission of loss of power has convinced me that he was a careless Townie rather than a lying Faction. His claim and absence of a counter-claim are now enough for me to not vote for him. Out of game: I don't think the mods are lying, but they've painted themselves into a corner with their own rules. There may be some factor I'm unaware of that changes how it plays out, but I am not optimistic on the Town's chances to win this game. A mislynch and no cross-kills toNight will leave us with 6 Town vs 6 Faction. That will leave us in the position of playing spoiler among the Factions. The no-claim rule merely makes it that much harder for us.
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 15:22:21 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 6, 2008 15:22:21 GMT -5
I applaud story's ruthless hounding of Roosh, and do not understand why Roosh has his vote on somebody who's method found an inconsistency in a claim, and doggedly pursued said inconsistency was revolved. That, to me, is very pro-town. It looks pro-town, but at the same time I seem to recall how a certain scum relentlessly hounded another scum about a small "slip" in a certain Firefly game. On the other hand, based on Roosh's voting pattern yesterDay he'll probably end up switching between 5 more people before settling down on a final vote anyway. Is there a statute of limitations on the timing of post analysis that I'm not aware of? It's not so much the analysis part that pinged me as the idea that you didn't post anything else for anybody else to analyze. There's plenty of storyteller and Roosh to look at (but Roosh is basically confirmed town at this point) but not much from anybody else. And I singled out your post because you specifically mentioned it'd be good to put Roosh under a microscope to provide posts for later analysis, yet you didn't make any posts yourself. I suppose when you later analyze Roosh and storyteller and/or anybody else, we can then analyze your analyses. But you didn't post anything about Roosh's claim debacle yourself, so we can't analyze you about that. Let me know if I'm making any sense, because I'm having a hard time wording exactly what I'm thinking. Oy vey. I have one little busy day and all hell breaks loose. Roosh, I have one question for you. In your second claim, you said: If this is true, how do you reconcile it with what Pleonast said about claiming, which was: The way I look at it, one of you has to be lying. If what you said in your second claim is correct, and you know this, why are you not voting for Pleonast because he was lying to the town and trying to force you to reclaim? Why are you instead voting for storyteller? Also, story and Pleonast, what about Roosh's second claim, specifically, reconciles this in your minds enough to cause you to unvote Roosh? I especially ask this of Pleonast, who should know that Roosh is still lying about his claim if it's truly a "bright line" as he stated it was earlier toDay. Is it just because you now think we're in a bastard mod game where the mods are lying to us about what the rules truly are? And if so, why are you so quick to believe that when the only person telling it to you is someone who you thought was scum eight hours ago? This post really just struck me as scum trying to prolong a heavy, wordy discussion and create more static and possibly still try to get motion towards getting Roosh lynched. The way I see it, it's an open-and-shut case. When Roosh made his non-claim yesterDay, he thought he was getting away with it. Turns out he didn't. Storyteller started pursuing him because of the idea that he might be lying and when Roosh defended himself, inconsistencies popped up. Pleonast and Rugger voted for Roosh because of these inconsistencies. Debate escalated, finally Roosh fessed up to what actually happened. Open and shut.
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Santo Rugger
Mome Rath
The Obviously Innocent Townie
The Rugger formerly known as Pygmy[on:BYAHH!][of:BYAHH?]
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Day Two
Feb 6, 2008 15:34:54 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 6, 2008 15:34:54 GMT -5
<snip> There may be some factor I'm unaware of that changes how it plays out, but I am not optimistic on the Town's chances to win this game. A mislynch and no cross-kills toNight will leave us with 6 Town vs 6 Faction. That will leave us in the position of playing spoiler among the Factions. The no-claim rule merely makes it that much harder for us. The chances of no cross-kills Tonight is pretty low. Keep your chin up, bub, we're still doing alright. It's only Day 2, we still have time to lynch scum, and we can still hope at least 3 scum are night killed.
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