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Feb 11, 2008 7:59:39 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 11, 2008 7:59:39 GMT -5
I can do an analysis on NAF, but it is going to have to wait until a bit later today, as I'm up at the buttcrack of pre-dawn to work on work. The foremost possibilities in my mind right now, as to why he may have been targeted, are ego-centric ones:
- As I had wondered for the brief moments when we thought NAF was a dead scum, perhaps the Vig thought the Day 1 case(s) against NAF were compelling enough to take an early hit out on him. This is my least compelling gut guess for the moment.
- With so little information on the table, a scum faction would be looking for anything with which to narrow down the list of potential targets. Choosing someone who had doggedly been pursued/suspected by a another player would give pretty much a "win/win" scenario. If their target wakes up dead and scum, that's one less scum to deal with in the endgame. If their target wakes up dead and town, they have some leverage against whoever was going after their target while s/he was alive. Of course this doesn't help narrow down which faction may have chosen NAF in this manner, but unfortunately I have no tea-leaf-reading skills to help with that.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2008 9:08:45 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Feb 11, 2008 9:08:45 GMT -5
Good Morning:
2 - drainbead (Diomedes, diggitcamara) 1 - Peasant Smurf (drainbead) 1 - Hal Briston (atarus) 1 - storyteller0910 (RoOsh)
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Feb 11, 2008 10:25:09 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 11, 2008 10:25:09 GMT -5
Wikipedia wrote:Dong Zhuo (d. May 22, 192) was a powerful warlord during the late Eastern Han Dynasty and Three Kingdoms era of China. He seized control of Luoyang in 189 after the capital fell into chaos following the death of Emperor Ling and a bloody clash between the powerful eunuch faction and the court officials. Dong Zhuo subsequently deposed the rightful heir to the throne and instated the puppet Emperor Xian.
However, Dong Zhuo's tyrannical and cruel ways angered many, and warlords around the country formed a coalition against him, forcing him to move the capital west to Chang'an. Dong Zhuo was eventually assassinated by his adoptive son Lü Bu as part of a plot by Interior Minister, Wang Yun. Beaten by the punch by the co-mod again. Maybe I should go to bed earlier.
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Feb 11, 2008 13:25:31 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 11, 2008 13:25:31 GMT -5
However, I have somebody else I need to poke...and that is: Vote Hal BristonI know Hal's priorities are elsewhere (and rightfully so!) but I'd like to see a little bit of discussion and/or opinion out of him. Therein lies the problem -- I'm here, and I'm following along...I just have nothing to say. It's frustrating as hell -- I want to contribute, I'm just at a loss here. But, just so I'm getting something meaningful out there: 1) I hated, hated, hated Roosh's "non-claim" role claim. If you've got a pro-town power role, then damnit, don't do anything to jeopardize those powers. 2) It's been beaten around quite a bit of late, but as we come out of his dustup with drainbead, I'm a bit suspicious of Pleonast. Ok, there's a couple of things folks can start ripping me to shreds for. (As well as for dangling my participle)
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Feb 11, 2008 14:37:37 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 11, 2008 14:37:37 GMT -5
1) I hated, hated, hated Roosh's "non-claim" role claim. If you've got a pro-town power role, then damnit, don't do anything to jeopardize those powers. Well. I felt I had no choice. If I didn't claim when I did, I was most likely going to be lynched. And since by Claiming I would LOSE my powers, I figured I'd take a shot in the dark and try to dodge the claim rule as much as I could. I knew it was gonna be tough, and a long shot, but I tried to prepare for it as much as I could. And I felt justified in claiming the way I did. Even if it meant losing my powers on Day 1, I tried then to at least keep up the appearance of having powers as long as I could, so I could still APPEAR to be useful to the town. That is until Storyteller ripped that to shreds. But i didn't feel I was jeopardizing my powers when I claimed the way I did. I knew I was taking a risk, but I was only doing it because I felt i had no other options besides fully claiming and exposing myself anyways.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2008 17:39:59 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Feb 11, 2008 17:39:59 GMT -5
As promised
This is Day 1 only mind. I ran out of time to update for Day 2.
Kat #34 - Votes for Santo Rugger for 'tradition'
#90 - comments on Hawkeyeop's voting plan
#209 - unvotes Santo, says it is not productive to carry a random vote anymore. - Directs questiosn to NAF RE the Vig - Directs question to Hawk RE his reason for voting for Roosh - Directs question to Rugger RE his reason for voting for Roosh
#210 - Question for Roosh
#261 - Votes for Roosh - says it is a metagame vote - Based on Roosh mis-interpreting others questions/posts and that he is dancing around the answers he is giving
#263 - nice analysis of Roosh, and of ohers posts concerning him.
#306 - Unvotes Roosh (after Roosh's 'not-claim'). Here Kat says Roosh's posting reminded her of scum not town but unvotes anyway.
#335 - analyses Smurf, Pete, & Koldanar, and on the strength of that votes Koldanar.
So as I said nothing amazing, nothing in there that triggered to me as being scummy. While it would seem to be an academic point now, I was interested in why Kat unvoted Roosh, even though she thought he was acting scummy. But it was an uncontested claim at the time - so I can understand it.
Pleo Night Zero (whether you want to count this or not?) - jokes about role confirming - discusses game mechanics.
#28 - Solid game analysis on end game scenarios, advocates a no lynch in the early game isn't so bad in this game
#95 - Votes Roosh - bites back about a barb from Roosh
#122 - Answers back to Roosh, clarifying his reason for his voteo n Roosh
#228 - Reconfirms reason for voting Roosh
#290 - Unvotes Roosh - on back of role claim.
#294 - Votes no lynch. Talks about Roosh losing his powers. Say he has spoken to the mods about it.
So not a massive amount of activity from Pleo on Day 1, and the only two points of contention are the no lynch vote, which Pleo actually telegraphed early in the piece, and whether you believe only one of Roosh or Pleo could be telling the truth. Which with what has now come out seems like Pleo was, and Roosh was obfuscating to try and avoid getting night killed.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2008 19:10:06 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 11, 2008 19:10:06 GMT -5
Hey, crowd -
Am very, very sick. Hopped up on cold meds. Capable of little; may feel better in morning. Sorry.
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Feb 11, 2008 19:38:45 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 11, 2008 19:38:45 GMT -5
Get well soon, Story. It seems that too many of you on the west side of the Pond are catching sick.
I've reread the posts of the two people highest on my suspicion list from Yesterday; namely Hal and DarkCookies.
Nothing about Hal's minimal number of posts or DarkCookies' greater volume struck me as greatly scummy. Consequently I'm not going to vote for either of them now. I really want to look for something more substantial.
I still have a little time to do this, as it's coming up to 28 hours to the pre-lynch deadline.
[oog] Unfortunately RL bites; tomorrow I have a job interview and really need to get some rest now - I tried the interview-on-no-sleep idea last year, and it does not work.
The job's not great, but it would be money coming in, so I'd appreciate some crossed fingers (or whatever). [/oog]
See you tomorrow afternoon.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2008 23:15:34 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Feb 11, 2008 23:15:34 GMT -5
[oog] Unfortunately RL bites; tomorrow I have a job interview and really need to get some rest now - I tried the interview-on-no-sleep idea last year, and it does not work. The job's not great, but it would be money coming in, so I'd appreciate some crossed fingers (or whatever). [/oog] Good luck Mhaye. Go in there and kick ass. and have a good interview too! Hope you're feeling better soon Story.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2008 23:29:54 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 11, 2008 23:29:54 GMT -5
I've read Day 1 and Day 2 completely, and I'm not coming up with any good reasons to vote for anyone. I'm going to take a break and then reread tonight if I can, or else tomorrow after work, and see if I can manage to find something, even if it's weak & pathetic-sounding stuff.
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Feb 11, 2008 23:57:07 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 11, 2008 23:57:07 GMT -5
I've read Day 1 and Day 2 completely, and I'm not coming up with any good reasons to vote for anyone. I fear this is exactly where we'll be on Day 3. Silence is damning for the Town for this reason. It's like quicksand. At this point we can't really go back anymore and analyze anything because nothing's been said really for toDay. On Day 3 we're going to have this same problem unless we get lucky and a killer turns up dead. But if the killers target the quiet ones, then what've we gained? Zilch again. I understand for 6 of you that being quiet is a valid strategy and that it DOES help out scum when the Town is quiet, but I must say as a Townie player, AND as a fan of these games... silence SUCKS. It's boring to watch, read, and participate in..... And I don't really see how we can get to talking again unless we magically have a cross kill toNight. =(
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Day Two
Feb 12, 2008 7:02:44 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 12, 2008 7:02:44 GMT -5
Completely agreed, Roosh. This game isn't really fun for me right now, but I'm plugging away because I feel like if I stop, hardly anyone will be talking at all.
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Day Two
Feb 12, 2008 8:24:59 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 12, 2008 8:24:59 GMT -5
Sorry, I haven't posted lately. I was away for a bit and now my focus is on finding scum in the on board game. I'll have a more substantial post and a vote after the day ends in the other game.
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Day Two
Feb 12, 2008 12:27:33 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 12, 2008 12:27:33 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem -- I'm here, and I'm following along...I just have nothing to say. It's frustrating as hell -- I want to contribute, I'm just at a loss here. But, just so I'm getting something meaningful out there: 1) I hated, hated, hated Roosh's "non-claim" role claim. If you've got a pro-town power role, then damnit, don't do anything to jeopardize those powers. 2) It's been beaten around quite a bit of late, but as we come out of his dustup with drainbead, I'm a bit suspicious of Pleonast. Ok, there's a couple of things folks can start ripping me to shreds for. (As well as for dangling my participle)I think that's how everybody's feeling at the moment. It feels like the Mafia train of discussion derailed and nobody has anything good to put it back on the tracks. Unvote Hal BristonSo now what? We have like 12 hours before our imposed deadline. Drainbead has 2 votes on her. Are we all really going to just pile on drainbead because she has 2 votes? In my opinion, I think we should just no lynch it toDay. It's what we're going towards anyway. People are feeling sick, we aren't in a Mafia mood, people have been busy with things, etc. etc. etc. And honestly I'd rather not lynch somebody where there are only a quarter of the town's votes on the table. Maybe the deaths toNight will stir some discussion up because lord knows we need it. Vote No Lynch
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Feb 12, 2008 14:30:55 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 12, 2008 14:30:55 GMT -5
Just got back to town, trying to get caught up on life. I'll be around later to help ensure a lynch if momentum picks up tonight, but otherwise I'll just be hoping we get 3 cross kills.
One thing to remember is that scum don't care how the first member of the other factions die, but they must get the second member lynched. Hopefully once the scum need to actively get others lynched we'll start getting some more tells on them.
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Day Two
Feb 12, 2008 14:47:39 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 12, 2008 14:47:39 GMT -5
I'm with atarus. We don't have enough to go on, and while we had plenty of time to recover from the first half of toDay, nobody seemed to be around to do it. A no-lynch is better for us than lynching me would be.
unvote Peasant Smurf vote No Lynch
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Feb 12, 2008 15:24:13 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 12, 2008 15:24:13 GMT -5
I'm still trying to reread Day 2 and find Goons.
However, I keep getting distracted. My mind insists on trying to answer the question of how likely no crosskills are Tonight, and the related one of whether we can afford to No Lynch.
My gut feeling is that, lacking a consensus on who to kill (and two votes does not a consensus make) no lynching is better.
Vote No Lynch.
The purpose of this vote is to require the people who want a lynch to make a concrete case. There's still a good few hours for people to make such cases. I will be continuing my reread with an eye to changing my vote, at least until I give up and go to bed. I won't be staying up until 5am though.
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Day Two
Feb 12, 2008 16:34:02 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 12, 2008 16:34:02 GMT -5
Okay, now that I am done screwing up the other game for the time being, I can focus on this one. I will start by saying that I'm very much against a no lynch. The math from day 1 called it a toss up. However, now that we have 3 fewer town members, 1 more or less confirmed town member, the numbers just don't make sense. The ratio of scum to town is very high. There are, in fact, more scum then vanilla town players. If we go by the policy that we don't lynch claimed power roles without a counter claim, then we should never lynch a town member who had a power role. In this manner, even picking randomly, we are more likely to lynch scum then town. If we have a decent lead we need to take it, and I believe we have some. I'll be back later tonight with a suspect list and a vote.
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Day Two
Feb 12, 2008 17:46:42 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 12, 2008 17:46:42 GMT -5
Between back-to-back 7am dentist appts for the past two days, Yahoos being laid off all around me, and a new rumor flying around every 5 minutes as to whether we're merging with (or being taken over by) Microsoft, Google, AOL, or Pillsbury...and the fact that I all my scumdar seems to be doing is pointing to the bottle of rum next to me...vote no lynch. If something compelling turns up, I'll gladly switch that over to an actual vote.
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Feb 12, 2008 17:52:06 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 12, 2008 17:52:06 GMT -5
My sympathies on the dental appointments and the job situation. That must suck.
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Feb 12, 2008 21:07:45 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 12, 2008 21:07:45 GMT -5
Okay, then, choosing to reread random people's posts in isolation to look for any interesting information, brings my attention to this: I do have a feeling of who I think is town, and why, though, so I'd rather elaborate on that as soon as I gather some evidence to back it up. You never did follow up on this, Rugger. Did you find any of the evidence you were looking for?
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Feb 12, 2008 21:18:34 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 12, 2008 21:18:34 GMT -5
I am VERY anti-No Lynching.... But still. This is depressing. I still feel fine in voting for Storyteller as I found his actions to be very hurtful to the Town. He can claim ignorance all he wants, but I'll keep my vote there for now rather than a No-lynch. Hell if we're going to vote a No lynch, WHY not at least everyone state who they think is somewhat suspicious from Day 1, or has noone really got ANY ideas since Day 1 and has forgotten who they were voting for before they lynched koldanar? Also This note is from our precious beloved Mod: Mandate of Heaven is considering either 1) halving the current deadline (which is just the same as the number it takes to lynch) or 2) randomly killing off somebody if a 24 hour period of silence passes. So Fucking Post! Fluff posts ARE WELCOME. Just say they're fluffy and you know it, but still SAY SOMETHING! I do NOT want the Mods getting into a whimsical random killing mood.
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Feb 12, 2008 21:34:26 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 12, 2008 21:34:26 GMT -5
I remember who I was voting for before kolanar, but I've already said I'm tabling any suspicion towards that person unless he started doing more suspicious stuff.
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Feb 12, 2008 23:04:35 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 12, 2008 23:04:35 GMT -5
<snip> You never did follow up on this, Rugger. Did you find any of the evidence you were looking for? Not really, I've never really gone back through threads to previous days, and what I was thinking was a HUGE metagaming thing, but I noticed that Cookies was pretty "sloppy", if you will, on Day 1, with lots of self edits to threads. It might be because it wasn't as Kosher in previous games, but that carefree style of posting struck me as a lot different than the calculated posts we we had together when we were scum. But that's all I've got.
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Feb 12, 2008 23:08:11 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 12, 2008 23:08:11 GMT -5
Here are my current suspects:
4. Hockey Monkey
Her vote for Pirate Pete from day 1 still bothers me. Even if she disagreed with having a no lynch, a vote was not the proper response IMHO. Pirate made a mathematical argument on why a no lynch should be considered. Hockey didn’t like his conclusion, so she voted him. She did not refute his points, just said that mustn’t be a good idea and anyone to suggest it must be scummy. Ideas that you do disagree with or even bad ideas are not inherently scummy. I do think voting to lynch Hockey twice in the same day is a bit mean spirited though.
3. Smurf
I voted him day 1 and he has done nothing, since then to change my mind. Really, he hasn’t done much since then at all, but a couple of people have jumped above him on my suspicion list.
2. Storyteller
I find his change of mind on lynching claimed power roles to be convenient. Now it is possible that Story is telling the truth, but I don’t think Story is ever going to make a big slip as scum. So, if he’s scum, this might be the most that we ever get. The fact that he won’t trust Roosh from this point on bothers me as well. More on this below.
1. Drainbead
I pointed a FOS at Drainbead early in the day. She seemed to be searching for information that a power role would already know and that a vanilla town member wouldn’t care much about. After Roosh revealed his new truth, Drainbead again tried to get more information on just what power roles could do. She voted for Pleo, which I believe was an attempt to lynch someone she believes is a power role. I am fairly confident that Drainbead isn’t a power role, and think it is more likely she is a scum than vanilla.
Vote Drainbead
There is one other thing that I want to mention. Before I began playing, I read some old games. I hate to break it to you, but town power roles--they lie. I don’t mean that they just withhold the truth, but flat out fib. In Blade Runner, Pleo lied about his abilities. He couldn’t exactly say what his ability was, but he didn’t have to make up an entirely new persona. He could have given the truth that he couldn’t reveal his ability without losing it. I can’t speak for Pleo, but I assume he didn’t do that because he didn’t want the scum to know how powerful his role was. In the pirate game, Arizona Teach lied about who the doctor was. Does anyone here think that was a bad play? Would people think it was a bad idea to listen to Arizona Teach after the lie was revealed? There are times that lying is the right play. Roosh lied to attempt to trick the scum. Thinking he will lie again in this game just for the sake of lying is silly and detrimental. I feel more confident that he is pro-town than I do anyone else. I will thus put more trust in his thoughts than I do anyone else’s.
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Feb 13, 2008 6:33:14 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 13, 2008 6:33:14 GMT -5
There is one other thing that I want to mention. Before I began playing, I read some old games. I hate to break it to you, but town power roles--they lie. I don’t mean that they just withhold the truth, but flat out fib. In Blade Runner, Pleo lied about his abilities. He couldn’t exactly say what his ability was, but he didn’t have to make up an entirely new persona. He could have given the truth that he couldn’t reveal his ability without losing it. I can’t speak for Pleo, but I assume he didn’t do that because he didn’t want the scum to know how powerful his role was. In the pirate game, Arizona Teach lied about who the doctor was. Does anyone here think that was a bad play? Would people think it was a bad idea to listen to Arizona Teach after the lie was revealed? There are times that lying is the right play. Roosh lied to attempt to trick the scum. Thinking he will lie again in this game just for the sake of lying is silly and detrimental. I feel more confident that he is pro-town than I do anyone else. I will thus put more trust in his thoughts than I do anyone else’s. One of the things that I laid to rest last night was the question of whether Roosh' claim was a lie. I no longer think it might be. Thus yes, I'm more confident in believing Roosh is a villager than (say) you. But it's easy to see how Roosh's behaviour Today could have been detrimental to the town. His play Yesterday makes sense - his play Today does not. In particular, when he replied to Pleonast's assertion that his claim had crossed the line and should have caused him to lose his powers, and he he denied that he had crossed that line, knowing full well that he had, (see post D2.85), he put all the other power roles at risk. We were lucky that he was pressured into an explicit claim before his lie did the town harm. Pleo's actions in the Blade Runner game also show how bad it is for townies to lie. He did so, he was exposed, and he died. This harmed the town a lot. That's a lesson to learn from the Blade Runner game. Lies Harm The Town. The fact that Pleo was forced into a false claim by the rules does not invalidate that lesson. The fact that he could have said "I have an ability but can't say what it is" but didn't, and died harming the town, also leads to the conclusion that Lies Are Bad. I'll grant you the Pirates incident appears to support your case that sometimes it can work. I think (and I'm trying to evolve my thoughts here) that what made the Pirates claim avoid harming the town was that it was a misattribution of a role, and not a lie about a rule. ArizonaTeach could have claimed that he was one of the officers and knew that FCoD was another, without asserting that FCoD was Dr Smollet as well. That would have been 100% true. he would have come under some pressure to name names, but he could have made a 100% true claim. I guess I can live with a Townie lie if the lie does not, in any way, have the potential to harm the Town while at the same time it does have the potential to mislead the scum. But that does not mean I have to like it.
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Feb 13, 2008 7:40:58 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 13, 2008 7:40:58 GMT -5
I am VERY anti-No Lynching.... But still. This is depressing. I still feel fine in voting for Storyteller as I found his actions to be very hurtful to the Town. He can claim ignorance all he wants, but I'll keep my vote there for now rather than a No-lynch. Hell if we're going to vote a No lynch, WHY not at least everyone state who they think is somewhat suspicious from Day 1, or has noone really got ANY ideas since Day 1 and has forgotten who they were voting for before they lynched koldanar? Also This note is from our precious beloved Mod: Mandate of Heaven is considering either 1) halving the current deadline (which is just the same as the number it takes to lynch) or 2) randomly killing off somebody if a 24 hour period of silence passes. So Fucking Post! Fluff posts ARE WELCOME. Just say they're fluffy and you know it, but still SAY SOMETHING! I do NOT want the Mods getting into a whimsical random killing mood. Sadly, my main suspect other than Koldanar was piratepete. So I am at a near-total loss. One thing I want to say without much time to say it: I was mildly suspicious of hawkeyeop after my Day One re-read (although I'd have to re-read yet again to remember exactly why and put a case together, and I don't have time for that right now, but will try to squeeze it in later today), and his assertion that sometimes it's right for town roles to lie has increased that suspicion. The fact that this assertion is incorrect is best borne out by what happened toDay in this game, in which a player's lie has distracted everyone into not getting anything done while we worked it all out. And for what? To trick the scum into thinking he still had his powers? Why? What would that help, exactly? I can completely understand the urge to still be playing the game, but the only reason I can see why Roosh would do that is to stay alive at Night, and thus potentially deflecting the scum's attention to other power roles that still are useful to us. At the point in time in which Roosh made his most egregious lies, he was essentially vanilla--and it's silly for a vanilla townsperson to lie....see Winston Smith for an example of that. It makes town who wants to Lynch All Liars suspicious, and it could potentially deflect the scum away from him and onto someone who is actually still useful to us. I trust that Roosh is who he is at this point, because I think the real whats-his-name would have claimed to avoid all this BS by now. But I still don't think he made the right play, and I question anyone who does. At this point in time, it seems like the play is either a no lynch or me, and I can tell you unequivocally that a no-lynch would be better for the town if this is our only choice. To keep the record intact, were it not my own skin on the line (and in the best interest of the town for that to not happen), I'd probably still be voting for Peasant Smurf, but I'm going to try to squeeze in analysis of hawkeyeop before the Day is over. I have a nagging feeling that if you guys don't kill me, I'll get vigged tonight anyway, so I want my thoughts out there so that you can see them once I turn up a dead townie.
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Feb 13, 2008 9:35:19 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 13, 2008 9:35:19 GMT -5
Mhaye,
I'd argue that Pleo hurt the town not by lying, but rather by not having a believable lie. At any rate, my point wasn't to debate strategy of games past. It was this - Town power roles never lie, is a false statement. Town members lying can never help the town, is a false statement. Not listening to likely power roles, because they have previously lied, is a very bad idea. Whether Roosh should of lied when he did is separate question. One I'll address when I respond to Drainbead's most recent post.
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Day Two
Feb 13, 2008 10:18:36 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 13, 2008 10:18:36 GMT -5
Because lying, arguably, didn't work this once, it is never the right play? That is like saying we shouldn't ever vote for new players, because in this game, new players weren't scum. Winston was trying to, hell I have no idea what he was trying to do. The main purpose of Roosh's lie, on the other hand, was not to keep himself alive. In fact, he probably would still be alive even if he hadn't of lied. Being the number one target of all the scum groups is actually a pretty good way to remain breathing. They want to avoid targeting the same person, so they won't target anyone obvious.
The main purpose, in my mind, of the claim, was to hinder the scums' knowledge of what power roles can and can't do. Now, whenever a town role is revealed, scum know, with complete certainty, that they are powerless. If Roosh was not forced to reclaim, scum would be unsure of when town members lost powers and would have had to act accordingly. Perhaps they would avoid taking out known town members, since they not be sure there attacks would be successful. They would try harder to get them lynched, maybe leaving clues to who they are. I believe the town had one major area of knowledge over the scum and it was thrown away for no benefit.
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Day Two
Feb 13, 2008 11:32:02 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Feb 13, 2008 11:32:02 GMT -5
Pleo's actions in the Blade Runner game also show how bad it is for townies to lie. He did so, he was exposed, and he died. This harmed the town a lot. That's a lesson to learn from the Blade Runner game. The fact that Pleo was forced into a false claim by the rules does not invalidate that lesson. The fact that he could have said "I have an ability but can't say what it is" but didn't, and died harming the town, also leads to the conclusion that Lies Are Bad. I must defend my honor: I was in fact not allowed to say "I have an ability but can't say what it is". I was prohibited from making any claim that was even partially truthfully. It was either an all-out lie or nothing. I had to weigh letting the Colony lynch me without saying anything versus trying my best to delay a lynch by lying. I choose the lesser of evils: lying, since that at least gave some more time to use my powers for the good of the Town. Constructing a false claim was tricky. I couldn't claim any powers I actually had, which didn't give much choice, since I could both investigate and Night-kill. I also had to pick something that wouldn't make me an obvious target for the Replicants. That was a challenge! At least story was kind enough to review and approve my false claim before I posted it. I knew I wouldn't lose my powers for it. I blame my lynch on the Colonists who promoted/accepted the philosophy that disagreements over strategy meant I had to be on a different side. And the Replicants were clever enough to encourage it, since they knew I wasn't one of them. They played it well. It was the Colony's wrong-headed approach that put the lynch pressure on me and forced me to choose between bad choices. Anyway, I think lying is a bad idea for pro-Town players to take. The claim restrictions in these last games have made it hard to avoid, though. Take that as a warning to future moderators (who is it doing the Battlestar Mafia? please reconsider post restrictions). ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ As for this game, I'm not sure who to vote for. I'm feeling bummed out by the way the SDMB game is going and I'm not liking our odds in this game. Will we have three games in a row with the scum winning? zuma must be happy. Anyway, I haven't done enough evaluation to have a good lynch candidate. Does a No Lynch work toDay? All the Factions still have full complements. That means cross-kills are still very likely. But not lynching a player means there little information in voting patterns. By not lynching we're covering our heads with a blanket and hoping for the best. Taking the short-term profit over long-term victory. So, reluctantly, I have to oppose a No Lynch toDay. It was just barely justifiable on Day One, but I can't do it toDay. Who to vote for, then? Little to go on. I don't like voting for lurkers, nor the prolific posters. I guess I'll go with my vote from yesterDay: vote (Peasant Smurf)
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