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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 15, 2008 16:43:03 GMT -5
Another night passes, and another series of unfortunate events unfolds. Hawkeyeop, having finished discussing his nefarious plot for Wu to take over China, was on his way home to start another day of masquerading as one of those useless peasants. Stupid mosquitos, he thought, swatting at his neck, before he realized that he was not stung by an insect but by a poison dart. Not now! Not when asdfjkl-----RoOsh couldn't sleep, not since he had gotten a message from the gods telling him that he had offended them with his lack of humility. Can't sleep, shoes will kick me, he thought, huddling beneath his bed. He was so busy keeping a lookout for footwear that he didn't see the first of countless blades flying towards him, each bearing a character of every word he had spoken since the town began gathering in the Square. Hockeymonkey went home in good spirits, confident that she could rid ancient China of the Bourgeoisies oppressors once and for all. It wasn't until she had locked the door behind her when she saw the man in a simian suit. "Who are you?" she demanded, dropping into a defensive stance. "I am that merry wanderer of the night," the man answered, rushing towards her. Diomedes tucked himself in, wondering which of his fellow townspeople he should run up the gallows (or whatever form of capitol punishment the Powers that Be decided to use) tomorrow when he felt a heavy weight thud onto him. "What in the--" he exclaimed, trying to throw the covers off, but he was struck in the head by another falling object and all went dark. Again, each grim discovery was made, and the town's spirits lifted and sank accordingly. Hawkeyeop lay dead in an alleyway, the expression of utter bliss belying the potent poison that had been pumped into his body. RoOsh--or what was left of him--was found under the bed, along with the blades that turned him into a human porcupine. Diomedes similarly demonstrated that words could hurt, as his entire house was now irretrivably avalanched under the Collected Works of Wang Chung RoOsh. And hockeymonkey was found decapitated in her home, with all that remained of her murderer being the razor sharp hockey stick left at the scene of the crime. Hawkeyeop, Sun Tse, is now traversing happy happy fields of strawberries. RoOsh, Wang Chung Zhang Bao, has been eviscerated by a thousand keystrokes knives, give or take a few. Hockeymonkey, Mao Zedong, suffered a fatal bodycheck. Diomedes, Tsao Tsao, has been buried under a mound of words. It is now Day Three. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The Day will end on 11:59 February 22 or when a player reaches 6 votes.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 15, 2008 16:50:48 GMT -5
I'll be the first to say: we're pretty much screwed.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 15, 2008 16:52:26 GMT -5
Oh, wait, Tsao Tsao is a bad guy. Ok, we're only mostly screwed.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 15, 2008 17:10:48 GMT -5
Darn the no edit rule! I now see Sun Tse is also a bad guy. My memory is like a sieve. So, we're at 7 to 4? Please, someone double check.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 15, 2008 17:21:58 GMT -5
Ok, that's had a few minutes to sink in. I was in a state of shock at first. Nine deaths in two days is nearly half the number of players.
The good news is that there was some significant crossfire, since half the dead were Goons.
The bad news is that Mao got caught in the crossfire. Although our Vig seems to have been an activist, since she must have killed last Night. She obviously hit one of the two dead scum before she went though.
Roosh's death is also bad news for the village (although less so than Hockey Monkey) because he was pretty much a confirmed Villager, and therefore by his presence reduced the space the Goons could hide in.
According to my headcount, that leaves us with four vanilla Villagers, four Goons and three Village power roles. Checking names reveals that Diomedes was in the Wei faction and Hawkeyeop was in the Wu faction.
Pleo, I agree your count.
This isn't without its compensations; as the field shrinks, the chances of the scum hitting a protected person rises, whether from a successful Doc protection or the remaining member of the Wei or Wu faction being targeted. And of course there are only three active killers now. Thus the rate of attrition will slow some.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2008 17:22:34 GMT -5
LOL! I love this game...:::wipes a tear from her eye::: A Fatal BodyCheck! Love it!
Go Town!!!!!
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 15, 2008 17:52:17 GMT -5
As noted in the SDMB game, I'll be taking a short vacation on the long weekend. And, again, I'll probably spend most of my Mafia-thinking time on that game (sorry, I really hadn't expected to last this long). It's in double lynch-or-lose now. Chance of at least one cross-kill toNight, with no lynch: 1-(8/10)^2 = 36%. Higher than I expected. If we mislynch: 1-(7/9)^2 = 39%. But our chances of getting a correct lynch are (4/11) = 36%. So, again, we really should lynch, even risking a mislynch.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 15, 2008 17:57:29 GMT -5
Carnage! Mayhem! Dead scum!
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 15, 2008 18:05:58 GMT -5
Killed by a Rooshvalanche. Always happens to the nice guys, dunnit?
Go scum!
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Post by Gir! on Feb 15, 2008 18:53:45 GMT -5
Well, that doesn't suck quite as much as last time. Good job, Hockey Monkey.
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Post by Hawkmod on Feb 15, 2008 19:32:55 GMT -5
Go Dad!!!
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 15, 2008 22:40:51 GMT -5
Well we got lucky in that two scum died. However at this point we can't rely on night-kills anymore since there's no Vig and only one possible cross-kill. We need to lynch scum and the last-minute lynch disaster that happened yesterDay cannot happen again.
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 16, 2008 1:00:31 GMT -5
RE: Everybody Wang Chung Tonight!So I've been doing some thinking over the last few days. And So I think I've finally cracked this case open. So let's start off with a few thoughts now on just exactly what's been- Oh, wait. What's that? Dead? Who Me? ( ) No. No. No! I'm SO CLOSE, DAMMIT! NOT NOW! Really? Just maybe 10 more Posts? 5? 2? One? 35 words? Nothing? :sigh: :burns all his notes and documents and files: I guess I should go start working on my own game in the meanwhiles. Heh, t'was fun though. In all seriousness now: Good Luck Town! WoOt!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 3:22:56 GMT -5
Vote Pleonast
If he was one of the two remaining town power roles, he would have KNOWN that one of the factions he was protecting against had died!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 3:23:23 GMT -5
In other news, I'm in Albuquerque for a motorcycle safety class all weekend. Access time may be limited.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 3:33:44 GMT -5
MHaye, I think you forgot to include the fact that there's only one more scum who can be killed at Night in your calcs.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 3:40:45 GMT -5
But there's a 50/50 chance it may be Pleo, so I wonder if it's not a bad idea to let one of the other two factions take him out ToNight or toMorrow... it'd be in their best interests.
And in case Pleo tries to claim Vanilla, I have to say (since I may or may not be around), shame on you for trying to mislead the town into thinking you're a power role. Misleading = lying, and you should die. If your excuse is that you were trying to draw the scum to Night kill you, that's lame, because wouldn't it be better if they were going for, you know, OTHER SCUM?!
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 16, 2008 7:42:34 GMT -5
MHaye, I think you forgot to include the fact that there's only one more scum who can be killed at Night in your calcs. To be honest, I was thinking short-term - ie that Tonight there will be less deaths. I didn't factor the Shu in because they're not immune to Nightkills yet. If we lynch one of the Shu Today, then that immunity comes into play for the survivor Tonight. The only other way it can affect Tonight is if the two Shu goons are each targeted by another killer, in which case the Nightkill immunity will kick in and save one of them. Once the Shu lose one of their faction, the downward pressure on the number of Nightkills will rise again. How significant the increased chance is depends on the gamestate, and frankly I'm not up to analysing all the cases. Not in any reasonable time.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 16, 2008 10:51:00 GMT -5
Vote Pleonast If he was one of the two remaining town power roles, he would have KNOWN that one of the factions he was protecting against had died! Maybe, but what if he's the Super Doc? I like the way you're thinking but you forgot that. However, I do agree with you on suspicion of Pleonast. In fact, here's my scum list right now: Kat Cookies Santo Rugger nesta Pleonast In case you're wondering how I came up with this list, it's all the people that voted for drainbead within the last 2 hours of the Day. I think the drainbead lynch was insanely stupid. We had a plan set into motion that we spent a good part of the first Day discussing. 24 hours before the Day's over, everybody votes for the person with the most votes. Now I thought we had set this system up so we could always do what was best for the town. Apparently, though, we set it up so we could always lynch somebody because at 24 hours No Lynch had the most votes and then everybody came in and was like "eh, I don't feel like no lynching, let's put together a hasty lynch wee." For scum, any lynch is better than no lynch. For town, any lynch is NOT better than no lynch. In the case of yesterDay, when everybody was being non-committal and saying they didn't really have anything coming up on their scumdar, suddenly piling onto somebody just to get a lynch was not pro-town. We cannot play stupid. If we play stupid the scum will win.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 16, 2008 12:20:14 GMT -5
I voted with my scumdar ping. Drain's statement stuck out like a sore thumb to me. I would have been fine with a no lynch, but lynching a scum would have been better. I'll need to review the vote counts a bit, but from my memory the "no lynch" crew only had the "most votes" for a little while, and there were plenty of other votes on the table as well. You [atarus] make it sound like it no lynch had a much stronger presence than it actualy did, if my memory is correct.
Having said that, I agree that there is very likely (still living) scum to be found in the drain votes. But, you also gloss right over the role that the 2 known dead scum played in her death as well.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 17:34:12 GMT -5
atarus, two things:
While I understand where you're coming from on the 24 hour plan, I guess I didn't recognize "No Lynch" as being "the person with the most votes". Although, I will note that Pleo is on your list, which brings me to...
Wouldn't you hope that the Superdoc wouldn't announce themself on the Very First Day? Especially one who was in no danger, and has already learned their lesson about what happens when one is -forced- to claim on Day One, much less just volunteering the information? And then line them selves right up with the infamous "scum hammer"?
It may sound hypocritical, but I think atarus' point makes me more confident in my vote.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 17:35:31 GMT -5
<snip>But, you also gloss right over the role that the 2 known dead scum played in her death as well. Isn't that a point in favor of the theory?
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Post by diggitcamara on Feb 16, 2008 18:47:11 GMT -5
Townie's in Green, scum in Red and PowerRoles in Blue (even if, technically, Roosh ceased to have powers during Night 1): 1 - Peasant Smurf (Pleonast) 13 - koldanar ( Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, atarus, Kat, Santo Rugger, storyteller0910, NAF1138, nesta, hawkeyeop, mhaye, Cookies) 1 - Pleonast (Peasant Smurf) 3 - piratepete ( Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit) Did Not Vote: PiratePete, Hal Briston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Final vote count: 9 - drainbead ( Diomedes, diggitcamara, hawkeyeop, RoOsh, Kat, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, pygmyrugger, nesta, Pleonast) 3 - No Lynch (atarus, drainbead, mhaye) 1 - Peasant Smurf (storyteller0910) Did Not Vote: Hal Briston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To continue in the tradition that... someoene... started, lo games ago, I am posting the final votecount for Day 2 ( including Roosh's votecount for Day 1). I'm not sure the "did not vote" list is complete, but please tell me if it isn't. From it, I do believe Cookies got it right in one: we definitely should have scum in the lynching mob. But... where exactly? The problem about majority lynches is precisely that: more than half of the town has to agree to lynch. And, about Pleonast's indictment, Rugger, I think it's hampered by the fact that the SuperDoc is still out there. So count me as being "on the fence" about his scumminess. Fixed the color tags for clarification.
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Post by diggitcamara on Feb 16, 2008 18:52:56 GMT -5
Townie's in Green, scum in Red and PowerRoles in Blue (even if, technically, Roosh ceased to have powers during Night 1): 1 - Peasant Smurf (Pleonast) 13 - koldanar ( Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, atarus, Kat, Santo Rugger, storyteller0910, NAF1138, nesta, hawkeyeop, mhaye, Cookies) 1 - Pleonast (Peasant Smurf) 3 - piratepete ( Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit) Did Not Vote: PiratePete, Hal Briston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Final vote count: 9 - drainbead ( Diomedes, diggitcamara, hawkeyeop, RoOsh, Kat, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, pygmyrugger, nesta, Pleonast) 3 - No Lynch (atarus, drainbead, mhaye) 1 - Peasant Smurf (storyteller0910) Did Not Vote: Hal Briston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To continue in the tradition that... someoene... started, lo games ago, I am posting the final votecount for Day 2 ( including Roosh's votecount for Day 1). I'm not sure the "did not vote" list is complete, but please tell me if it isn't. From it, I do believe Cookies got it right in one: we definitely should have scum in the lynching mob. But... where exactly? The problem about majority lynches is precisely that: more than half of the town has to agree to lynch. And, about Pleonast's indictment, Rugger, I think it's hampered by the fact that the SuperDoc is still out there. So count me as being "on the fence" about his scumminess. Not sooner posted than corrected (I added HockeyMonkey to the DidNotVote count) Final vote count: 9 - drainbead ( Diomedes, diggitcamara, hawkeyeop, RoOsh, Kat, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, pygmyrugger, nesta, Pleonast) 3 - No Lynch (atarus, drainbead, mhaye) 1 - Peasant Smurf (storyteller0910) Did Not Vote: Hal Briston, HockeyMonkey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And again here.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 16, 2008 18:57:43 GMT -5
Pleo is shown as voting twice, and according to my records Peasant Smurf also abstained. You might want to set those right.
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Post by diggitcamara on Feb 16, 2008 20:42:46 GMT -5
Pleo is shown as voting twice, and according to my records Peasant Smurf also abstained. You might want to set those right. The votes by Pleonast are still registered officially the way I quoted them. You're right about the Smurf, though. Still: would the Booming Voice from Heavens please rectify the voting records (both officially and in my post)? (the latter so I don't clutter up the Day with voting counts)
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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 16, 2008 21:31:50 GMT -5
A voice booms from the Heavens:
"I'm from Florida. Go figure.
One of these days I'll learn to count, really."
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 16, 2008 22:53:53 GMT -5
A voice booms from the Heavens:
"I'm from Florida. Go figure.
One of these days I'll learn to count, really." oog Is this what's considered a double entrendre (sp)? The double reference to Florida voting and your miscount? Or what would it called? /oog
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Post by Hal Briston on Feb 17, 2008 21:42:05 GMT -5
And in case Pleo tries to claim Vanilla, I have to say (since I may or may not be around), shame on you for trying to mislead the town into thinking you're a power role. Misleading = lying, and you should die. If your excuse is that you were trying to draw the scum to Night kill you, that's lame, because wouldn't it be better if they were going for, you know, OTHER SCUM?! Oh, for the love of crap, how long are we going to pound on this misconception?? Yes, best case, scum will kill other scum. But better scum kill vanilla then take out a power role! If Pleo (assuming he's vanilla town, and this all came down the way you're thinking) is willing to roll the dice on a ploy like that, then that's up to him. But I will never, ever, be able to wrap my head around the idea that it's a good idea to vote for town just because they have a different play style than you do. Oh, unless that townie is on a different team than you are, of course.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 18, 2008 10:06:15 GMT -5
Oh, for the love of crap, how long are we going to pound on this misconception?? Yes, best case, scum will kill other scum. But better scum kill vanilla then take out a power role! If Pleo (assuming he's vanilla town, and this all came down the way you're thinking) is willing to roll the dice on a ploy like that, then that's up to him. But I will never, ever, be able to wrap my head around the idea that it's a good idea to vote for town just because they have a different play style than you do. Oh, unless that townie is on a different team than you are, of course. OK, Hal, then here's a straightforward question: What do you consider a reasonable reason to vote for someone? Because apparently, according to your statements regarding Roosh and Pleonast: (1) It is acceptable (and to be expected) for town power roles to lie/shade the truth if they want, in an effort to deceive the scum and achieve their own ends. (2) It is acceptable (and to be expected) for vanillas) to lie/shade the truth if they want, in an effort to deceive the scum and acheive their own ends. (3) It is not acceptable to vote for players who lie/shade the truth, because they might fall into categories #1 or #2, and therefore your vote would just be about "a different play style." Throw into the mix implied (4) Scum will certainly lie/shade the truth. Now tell me, where do we go from here? Do we wait for scum to say, "Hey, I'm scum!" Do we count on the investigator we don't have? Do we vote randomly? Do we engage in ten-page long dissertations on pronoun choice in the hope that it will identify scum? Bah, I say. Bah! If a significant number of townies decide to "roll the dice" on ploys and misdirections, then they utterly eliminate our best - in a game like this, and barring massive slip-ups, our only - chance to identify the scum as a group. They are putting their own need to single-handedly win the game ahead of our collective ability to accomplish anything. Once you establish the idea that we're all out here on our own, and each person's best play is to do whatever the heck he or she wants, even if it means lying to his or her team-mates, then there is nothing left to analyze. Because every inconsistency that you can spot in an argument, every lie, every manipulation of a fact: none of it is meaningful if townies - good grief, if vanillas - decide to be rogues and work outside the team. Every scum tell could just as easily be a town tell under that model. And so we end up completely unable to identify anything or anyone. There are no clues. We're all alike, because we're all acting as individual agents pursuing our own agendas and using the same means to achieve them. I reject the proposition that this is a good approach. I believe that it is a mindset that has led us to near-paralysis in this present game. And I'm seeing no reason to promulgate it as a townie at this point. But if you're scum, you have every reason to encourage the vanillas to lie, the power roles to lie, everyone to lie. For scum, killing off the power roles is useful, but it's ultimately a red herring - it's far less important than staying alive. And it's easier to stay alive during the Day if the townies are lying to each other, are confusing the crap out of each other with fake claims and misdirections and excessive cleverness. Yup. vote Hal Briston
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