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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 24, 2008 19:49:55 GMT -5
With the mystic Zuo Ci having passed into the afterlife, it was a long and sleepless night for most. ataurs holed up in the temple, praying feverishly for whatever gods that might have been hearing to spare his life. "Seek ye peace, my son?" A voice sounded behind him. Atarus turned, and before he could defend himself was grabbed by the shoulder. "Then enjoy some eternal rest! Mwahahaha!" His unseen attacker cackled as he forced a string of 24 prayer beads down atarus' throat. diggitcamara stayed up counting the stars. Having suffered blunt force trauma to the head as an infant, he kept losing count and starting over. Undaunted by his repeated failure, he kept trying, and was thus so occupied in tallying the night sky that he didn't see that one of them had left its orbit and was now aimed straight at him. Morning dawned with a deafening crash, startling everyone out of what little sleep they had. They rushed to the town square to find a corner in flames and covered with debris. One of the braver residents ventured forth into the smoking crater therein and found diggitcamara's corpse crushed beneath the rock from the sky. Seeing this as an ill omen, the town went into the temple to pray for the gods' blessing, but that was when they found an unnaturally blue atarus keeled over in front of a statue, the prayer beads used to suffocate him scattered around him. atarus, Peasant, was forcibly transcended from the limits of his physical body. diggitcamara, Liu Chan (Shu Goon), has been stoned via a comet to the head. It is now Day Four. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
The Day will end on 11:59 March 3 or when a player reaches 5 votes.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 24, 2008 20:00:51 GMT -5
Sah-weet! That's about the best result we could have hoped for. Looks like we've got to lynch 3 more scum, as they can't be night killed anymore. On the bright side, scum are going to start knowing (or at least suspecting) who the other scum are, so that may help us, although they can't just come out and say it, because there's only one left in each faction. My two top suspects right now are Pleonast and Hal, for obvious reasons.
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Post by Hal Briston on Feb 24, 2008 21:00:07 GMT -5
Well, for what it's worth, here's who we have left: Three scum: Tsao Pei of the Wei. Sun Jian of the Wu. Liu Bei of the Shu. Two faction-specific blockers: Zhang Jiao -- protects against Wei. Zhang Liang -- protects against Wu. Plus three peasants. A question: Looks like we've got to lynch 3 more scum, as they can't be night killed anymore. At first, I was a bit confused by this. Then I reread the setup (something I'd be woefully oblivious to this game) and remembered the "no crosskill with one scum remaining" deal. So, what happens if scum try and make a kill like that? It would simply be blocked, I take it?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 24, 2008 21:11:31 GMT -5
Owie.
Oh well! Go town!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 24, 2008 21:14:20 GMT -5
<snip> So, what happens if scum try and make a kill like that? It would simply be blocked, I take it? That's my understanding, and then the scum will have a pretty good idea that said target is in another faction, and will really have no choice but to lobby to get them killed during the Day. Things are going to get pretty interesting pretty quick.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 24, 2008 23:09:44 GMT -5
By my reckoning, as of tonight there's only one of the three scum (Liu Bei) who will know for certain that their kill did not go through because they targeted another scum. The other two still have to deal with the possibility of a Zhang block. I have no idea what to expect as far as "towndar" for any of the factions, or what to expect in the area of deductive analysis of Night actions from Tsao Pei or Sun Jian. With the body counts being so high on previous Nights, I think it is highly unlikely that there is sufficient data yet to allow for any scummy triangulation of alignments of the remaining players based on what went down on Nights 1, 2, or 3. I think there is still plenty of opportunity toDay for each scum to simply prioritize keeping his/her own necks out of the noose.
We're going to need to keep our cases crisp and clean. Anything sloppy or weak in this environment will just muddy the water.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 24, 2008 23:38:10 GMT -5
<snip> We're going to need to keep our cases crisp and clean. Anything sloppy or weak in this environment will just muddy the water. Huh?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 24, 2008 23:58:31 GMT -5
Another of my "obvious" statements, I'm afraid. You point out that as we're nearing the time when the scum will know who is who among the living and start trying to off each other via lynches. Meanwhile, the rest of us are also trying to off the scum via lynches. The signal to noise ratio is always an issue with these games, but it is especially so in this one, when some of the circumstances that indirectly can help in sniffing out scum (perfect/perfecter knowledge, knowing friends from foe) do not apply. To help avoid town-lynching-town and ensure the level of consensus needed to lynch scum, I just think we're going to need to be extra crisp and clean when presenting cases against suspects to the town.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 0:51:12 GMT -5
"Perfecter" knowledge is what I'm saying is going to start presenting itself. I think that specific circumstance is going to start becoming more evident, and most certainly does apply! It really sounds to me that you're basically telling people to STFU if they don't have an airtight case, which will never be the case. Furthermore, it sounds like you're gently trying to nudge people away from the "Perfecter" knowledge claim that was brought against you yesterday, subtly asking them to go find some clean crisp case that we all know will never manifest itself.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 25, 2008 9:52:33 GMT -5
Cookies wants crisp and clean. I tend toward wordy and meandering. Here's my best compromise:
I initially became suspicious of our noble ex-Governor early Day 3, when he began pressing Pleonast - who had at the time and has still made no claim, implicit or explicit - to elaborate on his non-claim. As I said at the time, urging Pleonast to speak in defense of something he never said, absent any other evidence, seemed like a good way to get him to say too much and lose his powers. And Rugger's reasons for suspecting Pleo - "if he is a Doctor, he'd remember the names of the scum" - just doesn't scan for me as particularly legit.
But this is minor stuff, as easily explained by a difference in strategic opinion as by a difference in alignment.
So let's talk about the end of the Day.
It's post #98, and Kat has tyhis to say:
This is an implicit claim. It was obvious to me, and I think to everyone reading, that this post was made with intent. From this point forward, anyone voting for Kat is voting for a claimed power role. Not that doing so is a terrible thing, per se, but it does mean an extra layer to analysis of your vote.
A bit later, at 107, Kat votes for Cookies to break a tie between them. Shortly thereafter, Cookies responds in kind. A few observers have suggested that this is a null tell for both players; I disagree, but as my disagreement is not central to the current argument I'll table it for the moment.*
At #115, Santo Rugger says:
Please note this carefully. He "doesn't like either candidate." In other words, he is trying to indicate that he doesn't strongly suspect either candidate of being scum. This is important. Moving on to:
#117. Quoth Rugger:
So here's what's happened. Santo has two candidates on the block. He hastens to distance himself from a vote for either of them (per the first quote above).
Of the two, one of the players has an implicit role claim floating out there. The other does not (and the other has had ample time to make such a claim, if she desired). In a situation where you don't strongly suspect either candidate, I simply can't see a pro-town motivation for choosing the former.
Also, notice the twin scum tells used in his justification: (1) the old "I believe so-and-so is a townie," a favorite of scum everywhere; and (2) the appeal to popularity - "4 other people used this justification, so no one will notice if I do, too."
Then, along comes Hal Briston with the hammer. My past suspicion of Hal has been well documented so far. Hal's only justification for his hammer is that he agrees with Ruuger.
So here we have two players who conspired to drop the hammer on a player with an unresolved role claim. Neither expressed particular suspicion of that player. Rugger explicitly disavowed particular suspicion of that player.
I think that one, or both, of these two players is scum. I think that one (or both) of them, saw an opportunity to eliminate a power role. Kat had made what can only be described as a claim. If Hal or Rugger are scum, it doesn't matter if she's lying or not - they win if she's a power role, and they win if she's enemy scum. Their willingness to create a majority and hammer, respectively, with complete indifference to the role claim is explicable only by scum alignment.
I would gladly vote for either. For now, though, vote Santo Rugger.
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* I am also quite suspicious of Cookies. As a power role, Kat's vote, motivated principally by self-preservation, is explicable. But for Cookies, who has claimed no power role and thus is likely a peasant or scum, such intense focus on her own survival is perhaps not quite so explicable. Cookies surely saw Kat's non-claim; as a peasant, sacrificing one's own life to save a possible power role would be a good play. Cookies never even paused to consider the role claim before casting her "Save My Own Butt" vote - only singleton scum would have reason to be so blindly self-protective.
So my updated Suspicion List, in no particular order:
STRONGLY SUSPICIOUS Santo Rugger Hal Briston CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
PRETTY SUSPICIOUS Peasant Smurf (For the same reasons as earlier in the game) mhaye (because he keeps promising to take a stand, but mostly doesn't take a stand)
NO READ nesta
LEANING TOWARD TRUST Pleonast
IS ME Me
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Post by Hal Briston on Feb 25, 2008 10:55:16 GMT -5
So here we have two players who conspired to drop the hammer on a player with an unresolved role claim. You do see the massive hole in your logic there, correct?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 11:00:41 GMT -5
Sorry, story, but I read the lost circus performer thing, and didn't think anything of it. If she was going to claim, she should have claimed. What's better, a confirmed doctor with no powers, or a doctor dying with all their powers intact. I wasn't trying to distance myself from anything. I was going along with your plan of making sure my vote was on a vote leader in the last 24 hours. I was expressing my displeasure that we aren't going after Pleonast, whom we can now be sure wasn't the super doctor. I still think he's one of the three remaining scum. My top two other candidates are Hal and Cookies right now, but I think Cookies is just up there because she's the only one posting as much as I am, and I've been very suspicious of pretty much everybody so far (except story... which makes me suspicious of him...)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 25, 2008 12:08:35 GMT -5
So here we have two players who conspired to drop the hammer on a player with an unresolved role claim. You do see the massive hole in your logic there, correct? "Conspired" was the wrong word choice. Go with "combined." The rest of my post stands.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 25, 2008 12:17:52 GMT -5
I read Kat's claim as being a vanilla claim. "Obviously implicit" power claim it was not, at least not to me. Hindsight is 20/20, but prior to Kat's alignment-verifying death, the difference between her self-preservation vote/claim and mine was some strike-through font. Further, mine was one vote of the majority, and though there is also heat on the later voters on the Kat-wagon, the early votes against her deserve some attention as well, at least as much as my vote, which I firmly believe any other player (except, apparently, story) would have made in the same manner had they been in my shoes.
In response to Rugger, while I appreciate his noticing my level of participation, he seems to be either railing on me or somehow stating that he thinks I'm town. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that, but I do agree that we could very well be garnering some suspicion from each other (and others) simply because we're participating. For now, that is a trade I'm willing to make to keep the game from falling into unproductive silence.
Also in response to Rugger, I have no problem trotting out the "perfecter" case against me for some further scrutiny. But that is going to take me some time, as it will require a fair bit of quoting for reference, and I'm catching up on a lot of work today after being out sick all of last week. Coming soon...
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 25, 2008 12:24:15 GMT -5
Wow. OK, well, if the general consensus is actually that Kat's statement was opaque, then much of my point would be moot. Of course, "I didn't recognize the role claim" could just as easily be a lie as the truth, and there's not really much of a way to differentiate.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 12:40:34 GMT -5
<snip>because I have a feeling Cookies is a Peasant, and because at least 4 other people agree Kat allowed the vote shift yesterday to lean drainbead. <snip> [/quote] Sorry, didn't see this the first time. The four people part was referring, again, to the 24 hour plan that we so miserably let down again. I have a gut feeling that Cookies is a Peasant, as I stated earlier, because it seemed like her posts in the opening days were a bit more sloppy and had less of a calculated feeling than in the past. Just a gut feeling, that's all. I don't understand, though, story, why you'd rather vote for somebody who happened to vote for Kat and thinks Pleo's scum, instead of sombody who hammered on Kat and thinks Peasants should be able to lie, with caveats, of course.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 12:41:56 GMT -5
Wow. OK, well, if the general consensus is actually that Kat's statement was opaque, then much of my point would be moot. Of course, "I didn't recognize the role claim" could just as easily be a lie as the truth, and there's not really much of a way to differentiate. I pose the question again, what's better, a confirmed doctor with no powers, or a dead doctor? If she was attempting to make a claim, she should have made it clear. Then there wouldn't be any excuses or need for justification of said votes.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 25, 2008 13:54:52 GMT -5
Sorry, didn't see this the first time. The four people part was referring, again, to the 24 hour plan that we so miserably let down again. I have a gut feeling that Cookies is a Peasant, as I stated earlier, because it seemed like her posts in the opening days were a bit more sloppy and had less of a calculated feeling than in the past. Just a gut feeling, that's all. I have no problem with this, on further reflection. I guess I'm used to previous games, where this sort of thing makes sense as a scum tell, but here... it's weird, because this game differs from others in a fundamental way. I strongly suspect you of being scum. But unlike in previous games, even if I'm right about this, your comments on the other players are still likely to be mostly valid and not disingenuous. At this point, town and scum have nearly identical goals. You've answered your own question. Your consistent pursuit of Pleonast is the reason that I have you one notch above Hal on my list. Why? Because if you were town, outing or lynching one of the remaining power roles is something you'd want to avoid. I myself struggled mightily with whether or not to pursue Roosh, and only went ahead with an attack on him when I had what I considered to be nearly ironclad evidence that he had lied. You, on the other hand, went after Pleonast based on evidence that is singularly noncompelling - your assessment of what you think he should have remembered about his role PM, if he was a power role (and in spite of the fact that he's never claimed to be a power role at all - interesting that you are so adamantly insisting that Kat's non-claim was the wrong play, and she shouldn't have expected anyone to read it as a role claim, while you continue to read Pleonast's eve more oblique non-claim as if it were a full role claim). Thing is, if you are scum, pursuing Pleonast is an absolute no-lose proposition for you. If he's lying, and scum, then you've lynched one of the obstacles on your path to a win. If he's telling the truth, you've lynched a doctor. In either case, the reward is considerable if you are scum. Your incautious approach to Pleonast makes absolutely no sense if you are really pro-town.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 14:17:46 GMT -5
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think Pleo was trying to hint that he had a town power role, and therefore needed to get mod clarification about how he could claim. Then, when he "forgot" the name of his "role", I put two and two together. You, obviously, disagree, but I don't think that me thinking Pleo is scum is in any way anti-town.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 25, 2008 16:27:40 GMT -5
I need to think more about the how the voting went YesterDay.
I found Kat's "claim" interesting. I definitely saw it as a careful claim, but wasn't sure if I believed her or not. In fact, reviewing it, her next post has "I'm gonna go beat up some footwear". That's a large hammer of subtlety!
And, look who voted for Kat after her "claim": Cookies, Rugger, Hal.
Cookies displayed a scrap of special knowledge Yesterday, so her jump onto Kat, even after a claim reeks of anti-Towniness.
Rugger is now very suspicious to me (beyond an OMGUS feeling). His treatment of "claims" is odd. He hounds me, yet happily pushed Kat to the noose. He's not working for the Town's benefit.
Hal is an interesting case. His hammering vote. His comment last Night: "Oh, I am so fucking lynched". Others have brought up his philosophy on Townie's lying, but I won't hold that against him. Still, suspicious behavior.
My three targets, in descending order, are Rugger, Cookies, Hal. I will happily vote for any of them. For now: Vote Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 16:38:33 GMT -5
DAMN IT. Seriously. My treatment of "claims" is not at all odd, in any way. Pleo specifically said he talked to the mods about how to claim. That, to me, says, "hint, hint, I'm not scum, guys!" Kat was fooling around when she should have explicitly claimed, referencing Roosh and some obscure quote that I wasn't familiar with, and obviously others weren't (or they didn't give a shit, I don't know). Regardless, I'm doing the best I can to help the Town, and I'll keep my response to myself as to not break any more of dotchan's rules than I already have.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 16:47:10 GMT -5
<snip>Regardless, I'm doing the best I can to help the Town, and I'll keep my response to myself as to not break any more of dotchan's rules than I already have. And since this seems to be a problem, I'm not talking about claiming, I'm talking about cursing up a storm because of my frustration.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 25, 2008 18:05:31 GMT -5
Given the death of the people who have managed colour coordination of voting lists, someone needs to take it up. So here are the final vote counts for each Day, colour-coded for affiliation.
Townies in Green, scum in Red and PowerRoles in Blue (even if, technically, Roosh ceased to have powers during Night 1):
Day 1 : 13 - koldanar (Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, atarus, Kat, Santo Rugger, storyteller0910, NAF1138, nesta, hawkeyeop, mhaye, Cookies) 3 - piratepete (Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit) 1 - Pleonast (Peasant Smurf) 1 - Peasant Smurf (Pleonast) Did Not Vote: PiratePete, Hal Briston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Day 2 : Final vote count: 9 - drainbead (Diomedes, diggitcamara, hawkeyeop, RoOsh, Kat, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Santo Rugger, nesta, Pleonast) 3 - No Lynch (atarus, drainbead, mhaye) 1 - Peasant Smurf (storyteller0910) Did Not Vote: Hal Briston, HockeyMonkey, Peasant Smurf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Day 3 : 6 - Kat (atarus, diggitcamara, mhaye, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Santo Rugger, Hal Briston) 4 - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (Pleonast, nesta, Peasant Smurf, Kat) 1 - Hal Briston (storyteller0910)
That's the data, for what it's worth.
I humbly apologise to the Mandate of Heavenfor implying error, as it seems to my eyes that the official Day 3 count showed Santo Rugger to have voted twice - once fpr Kat and once for Pleonast. I have taken the liberty of removing the vote for Pleo to reconcile the full list of players.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 25, 2008 18:19:07 GMT -5
That tells us basically nothing, since none of the scum alive have teammates anymore, and there were only two of them to start with. This is just another example of you appearing to be helpful this game without actually doing anything or taking a stance on anything.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 26, 2008 0:21:06 GMT -5
First of all, this is a ROosh-inspired "where the hell are you?" to those who are lingering in the wings of this game.
This is probably going to go over like a ton of bricks, but it is the truth, so you all get to decide if it passes the smell test.
DBI's Day 2 Dawn post:
Cookies' (prior to Mod correction of NAF's aligment) Day 2 Reply #7:
DBI's Day 2 correction Reply #8:
diggit's response to Cookies', Day 2 Reply #10:
Ok, here is the first time that I missed a misinterpretation of what I said in my Reply #7. I was not trying to say that Cat or Pete had been double killed when I said:
"The color could indicate that NAF was Vig-killed, while Cat and Pete suffered death at the hands of only two of the three factions?"
What I was trying to WAG was that, based on the color, maybe one of the factions missed (resulting in "only two of the three factions" making kills) with the third kill being that of the Vig.
But when I responded to diggit, the Mod correction about NAF's alignment was foremost on my mind, and I frankly did not even realize that diggit had misunderstood me.
Cookies' response to Diggit, Day 2 Reply #13:
Note that I didn't address his "double kill" misinterpretation with either a correction or clarification because I didn't even register it at the time.
It came up again later, once people started voting for me on Day 3, and the fact that I still did not register that what I had said had been misinterpreted, I was confused as to what case was actually being advanced against me.
Nesta did not seem to attribute me as being a Night 1 double-kill advocate, but he did think that my WAG regarding NAF's Night 1 death color (that compared to the other deaths, it was a possible indication that the Vig had killed NAF) and voted for me because of that combined with various posts where I try to keep my distance from other players. Day 3 Reply#42:
So Nesta did not believe my honest and admittedly ego-centric explanation of why I had thought that perhaps NAF had been targeted by the Vig, when I thought he had been scum. You know the feeling I’m talking about. Thinking that you and a Vig on the same wavelength had taken out a significant threat to ourselves an the town on the first day.
Nesta is suspicious of my initial Day 1 response because of what I said about NAF and the Vig, not because of a double-kill interpretation of what I’d said.
My retort, which I still very much maintain was in Day 3 Reply #43:
Peasant also didn’t include any reference to a double-kill interpretation in his vote for me in Day 3 Reply #84:
And thus begins my requests for clarifying just what extra information I could have learned, how a scum could come to learn it, and what a scum could possibly gain by tipping their hand in a tell after the first Night actions/deaths? I am seriously not that stupid of a player when scum.
Cookies’ clarification requests, Day 3 Reply #85
And #86
Nesta furthered clarified his interpretation case in Day 3 Reply #87:
To which I would like to address a question: So the extra knowledge you think I was a scum slipping with was that the Vig was active, that I knew this because I had secretly recognized that Pete’s two-pronged death color indicated that Hockey had attacked him along with my faction, resulting in a double-kill, and that by trying to indicate that NAF was the target of the Vig, I was merely blowing smoke up all of your asses…all the while when Hockey had no reason not to (as she did) point out the two-kill interpretation of Pete’s death color, thereby claiming her kill upon her death, which was then pounced on as a Vig tell by the scum who went on to kill her. Is it my faction or another faction who takes out Hockey in your theory?
Regardless of whether you think I am guilty of killing Pete, Hockey, or anyone else, all l I can say is that categorically, and undeniably, that your theory is 100% false, and that if I were good at maths, I could delivery very unprobable data in support of this theory.
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Post by nesta on Feb 26, 2008 0:31:53 GMT -5
A few quick thoughts.
I'm still most suspicious of Cookies for the same reasons I tried to outline Yesterday.
Rugger has been hovering near the top of my suspicion list for the last couple of Days, but this has been mostly due to the general "tone" of his posts, and the seemingly opportunistic voting. His vote Yesterday is highly suspect to me, though, especially because his argument for doing so seemed to be that he thinks Cookies is town due to her "tone" which I disagree with. I need to do a re-read before being comfortable with a vote for him quite yet. There's still plenty of time, so I don't think we should be too hasty.
I've had a hard time getting any read on Hal. The hammer vote looks very bad. Other than that and his comment early on Day 1 that sometimes pro-town will deceive, and then defending against it for the rest of the game, he hasn't done much of anything. He didn't even have a final vote on the table on Day 1 or Day 2. I would really like to see more from him, preferably his thoughts on other players and not just defense.
Smurf also still seems to be preferring the background. Smurf, what's your take on the current situation?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 26, 2008 0:49:32 GMT -5
I'd like to get one thing straight. My voting has not been opportunistic, I've tried my best to follow the whole 24 hour plan that we as a town can't seem to get right. I thought I made that clear when I changed my vote, and in subsequent explanations Today?
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Post by nesta on Feb 26, 2008 1:12:29 GMT -5
We need a head-slap smiley. Insert it here.
Cookies, that is a good point. I wish you had made it Yesterday, but I can see your not understanding the point I was making a little now. I misunderstood your Day 2 post, possibly because Diggit either did too or was purposefully twisting your words and it was never challenged.
I didn't parse this part correctly:
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That is a hole in my theory. Somehow I didn't parse the two of three factions part. What I remembered was that I had a flag on your post for saying the Vig had killed and it was later pointed out to be true. Reading it correctly it isn't as conclusive as I originally thought. It was still quite the guess, and could be an indication of extra information, but now it seems to me to be basically a null-tell because it could go either way.
I can't say my suspicions of you are gone. This was a minor point in my general suspicion of you until I noticed it was Hockey, the Vig, who had pointed out the double kill, and then the minor point seemed like a much larger one. I need to reevaluate my suspicions, though, because I can't say how much I let this cloud them. So consider my suspicions officially lessened.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 26, 2008 1:22:52 GMT -5
I wish I would have realized it and addressed it earlier too, believe me.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 26, 2008 9:59:24 GMT -5
It kind of bothers me that there's almost no suspicion of nesta, mhaye, or Peasant. Other than a couple jabs, they really haven't put forth any theories that may put their necks on the line. Almost like they're playing a game of self preservation or something.
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