Blaster Master
Mome Rath
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Day One
May 31, 2008 17:40:55 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 17:40:55 GMT -5
Right now I'm vacillating between FCoD and Czech. A re-read has mostly convinced me that Darth and Hal are on the level. I just don't get the scum motivation for a lie. We can hypothesize about passive powers that backfire on the holy water guy/exorcist all we like, but I really think that's unlikely. Passive powers are a really power thing to give scum. So I might respectfully suggest that HWG and the Exorcist seriously consider using their power on Darth or Hal toNight if they can. Actually, I'll go one step further: I think that the Exorcist, if he trusts Darth, should target him, and HWG, if he trusts Hal, should target him. If they are two separate roles that will prevent one of them from wasting their power if they target the same person. If the number of exorcisms that can be performed is limited, though, the Exorcist should consider holding off before we get confirmation. Anyway, given that I believe Hal and Darth, I'm looking askance at those who were flinging mud at them. Czech's me too vote concerns me, but FCoD's case concerns me more: I'll re-iterate why I'm suspicious of Hal: 1) His story about holy water killing the demon does not match the opening color. 2) Darth Sensitive's story, which contains the same mistake, follows Hal's and conveniently lends credence to both of them. Possessed players, by my reading, would be converted back to town after being blessed with holy water. Exorcising them seems like somethingthat would be the secondary power of a doc or a cop style role - something that would need to not be done willy nilly. (underlining mine) So, uh, what gives FCoD? It seems to me that Darth was quite aware that an Exorcism is involved. I've already gone over how I'm uncomfortable with FCoD's linking of Hal's and Darth's alignments. Now that I see that any evidence of such a linkage exists mostly in FCoD's imagination, I really don't like his vote. Vote Flying Cow of DoomI have to say, I'm somewhat suspicious of our airborne bovine friend there. I agree that his reasons for voting for Hal are bad, but but reasoning does not a scum make. The part that has me suspicious, isn't the reasoning for a vote for Hal, but the fact that he wants to vote for him at all. That is, the reasons he laid out could be legitimately what he thinks, or they could be post hoc reasons for why a scum would want him lynched. However, he's completely ignored the good reasons we have to keeping him alive. Such that, he really has no scum motivation for making the claim he did, we have no reason to believe that the holy water bit wasn't a legitimate mistake on Hal's part, and there's a massive potential for gaining information there without actually having to kill someone for trying to do what's best for the town, if he's honest.
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
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Day One
May 31, 2008 17:51:55 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 17:51:55 GMT -5
You put the finger on it. It doesn't seem that hockeyguy is paying attention. Skimming is usually a scumtell. Okay, people keep saying this, and I just have to ask... really? Where do you get this idea? I've done some skimming from time to time as both scum and town. In fact, I'll even admit I'm not doing the most thorough read right now because I wouldn't have time to get fully caught up if I did. Does that make it scummy? If anything, I think skimming is either a sign of being a bit overwhelmed by the game and/or real life situations, or laziness. IOW, I think it's a null tell. Really, why would scum have more incentive to skim? Sure, they're not looking for scum, but they DO have to look like they are. If they're missing important conversation points from skimming, it's going to show. So... yeah, I don't like this sort of mentality.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:01:51 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 31, 2008 18:01:51 GMT -5
Once again I'm left with choices I'm unhappy with to end the day. Tragic's play has been pretty hard to defend up till this point, and if I could vote twice, I definitely would. In fact unvote Hockeyguy Vote TDPats Hockeyguy's actions since being on the block just don't seem scummy. TD, on the other hand, is trying to distance himself from his votes, while trying to push the lynches of multiple individuals. I mean, you don't like any candidates, but you want to vote twice? Seems like he is trying too hard to justify being wrong later on. I'm still feeling the hockeyguy lynch at the moment, but you must be psychic or something, because I was just thinking how strange it was for tdpats to say he's so unhappy with the choices, he wants to vote twice. I'm not sure I think it's scummy, but it was definitely something I noticed and had on my mind.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:11:02 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 31, 2008 18:11:02 GMT -5
I have to say, I'm somewhat suspicious of our airborne bovine friend there. I agree that his reasons for voting for Hal are bad, but but reasoning does not a scum make. The part that has me suspicious, isn't the reasoning for a vote for Hal, but the fact that he wants to vote for him at all. That is, the reasons he laid out could be legitimately what he thinks, or they could be post hoc reasons for why a scum would want him lynched. However, he's completely ignored the good reasons we have to keeping him alive. Such that, he really has no scum motivation for making the claim he did, we have no reason to believe that the holy water bit wasn't a legitimate mistake on Hal's part, and there's a massive potential for gaining information there without actually having to kill someone for trying to do what's best for the town, if he's honest. Damn, BlaM, I wish you'd been around when I was on the chopping block. That is what I was trying (and absolutely failing at) to express about my vote for FCoD, which seems to be the only reason people really had to vote for me or FoS me(Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, going by memory here).
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:15:24 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 18:15:24 GMT -5
All this careful buildup of implicit statements is undermined by one single post. In post D1.277 Hal states “I'm just a vanilla townie.” If he's a possessed EE, that is not true. He's flatly contradicting everything he's built up. Is that enough for me to vote Hal? Not yet; there's a couple of other people for me to look at. More later. That thought occurred to me when I read it as well, but I decided its possible that both could be true. For instance, we DON'T know how the mechanics of the second type of Demon work. Perhaps Hal IS a Vanilla townie when not possessed and will return to that role when he's exorcised. Perhaps all type 2 demons will become vanilla when exorcised. Maybe the people that are possessed by type two demons were chosen by the moderator or by the scum at such that it's possible that just about any role, vanilla or not, could also be demons. It's also possible that he didn't want to explicitly claim anything other than vanilla townie, because if he couldn't explicitly confirm that he is indeed possessed. Either way, I strongly believe that we will have more information about the situation come Tomorrow. So, I agree that the Hal situation is noteworthy, he's not really a viable lynch candidate and we will likely have more situation in the near future, I'm not sure if we're not just wasting time reasoning ourselves in circles.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:16:34 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on May 31, 2008 18:16:34 GMT -5
I really should have separated those two thoughts. Yes, I can see exactly why it would bug people.
I was/am unhappy with having to rest on my hockeyguy vote and justification. In my mind it was about "This is the best I got?! Mehhh" - it just happened to apply to two people.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:34:05 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 31, 2008 18:34:05 GMT -5
With ~30 minutes remaining in the Day, I thought I'd post my vote count:
hockeyguy8435 (10): stardragonman, Kat, ryjae, misterblockey, Roosh, bufftabby, Rebel, FlyingCowOfDoom, MHaye, tdpatriots12 Tragic (4): KidVermicious, hockeymonkey, Darth Sensitive, hockeyguy8435 bufftabby (2): Survivor Smurf, Tragic misterblockey (2): NAF1138, Nanook tdpatriots12 (2): storyteller0910, hawkeyeop FlyingCowofDoom (1): Rysto mhaye (1): Hal Briston
People NOT voting (3): Blaster Master, Czech, and Kison.
--FCOD
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:37:30 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 18:37:30 GMT -5
I don't have a lot of time right now, but I will in a few hours. So until then, quick hit thoughts: 1. My initial reaction is that I hate the Tragic votes. I know there are only two of them, but the rush to vote for her because "she voted for a claimed Mason" smacks of opportunism. Really, what scum would be dumb enough to do that if buff is really a Mason? What possible benefit could Tragic have hoped to accrue? I find it far more likely that Tragic posted and voted while re-reading, and missed the role claim in one way or another. But then I think, isn't that reflective of skimming? And isn't skimming often a scum tell? Well, beside the fact that I don't necessarily see skimming as a scum tell, I will agree that the vote in and of itself is meaningless. She could EASILY have a posting methodology much like mine, in that she posts as she reads, and thus got suspicious and voted without ever having read or known about the claim. I don't know if this is true or not, but it's entirely possible that she wasn't even skimming, but just plain hadn't read it yet. I 100% agree with this. There is no reason for a real mason, if bufftabby is lying, not to step forward. If it doesn't happen Today, or very soon Tomorrow (if it just so happens that person missed the last part of Today), then I'm inclined to believe her claim without another mason having to confirm. I agree. This wagon seems to have no only developed quickly, but I don't agree the the apparent contradiction is, in fact, a contradiction at all. The first one seems to be noticing Hal was trying to claim to be possessed. That is, making an observation that Hal is saying he's possessed does not necessarily imply that he believes that is the mechanic at all, only that he obviously sees that that is the implication based on Hal's post. He made no comment at all about whether he actually believed Hal in the quoted post. The second one is a thought stream. IOW, it's possible that he didn't believe Hal and was trying to find another reasonable way for how the second demon type may or may not work. Either way, I can see where Kat was coming from, but with so many people jumping on so quickly without adding anything to it, it makes me think there really isn't much else to it.
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
The player formerly know as BLAM!
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:50:52 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 18:50:52 GMT -5
Okay, I've already made it clear that I don't like the hockeyguy wagon, or tragic who is the only one that MIGHT possibly be an alternative. So, instead, I'm voting where I feel is scummiest.
Vote FlyingCowOfDoom
I didn't like his vote for Hal, not because his reasoning was bad (which I think it was), but because I just don't see much in the way of pro-town motivation for wanting to lynch him.
I'm also not fun of TDPatriots. He's been hitting me pretty hard, especially the last part, and I think storyteller outlined most of the reasoning there pretty well.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:55:33 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 31, 2008 18:55:33 GMT -5
I'm back. Not in time, I guess.
Unofficial vote count w/prox 5 minutes left has Hockeyguy at 10 and Tragic a distant 2nd, with 4.
This ain't right. Without tracking vote records (which I will do later, and share - unless somebody else wants to), it seems nearly every one of you that peeled off Buff just piled on Hockey like a bunch of lemmings. Too much "me too", and not enough analysis.
Lotsa fodder for tomorrow, hey?
Blaster, remind me to hit you up on the role claim thing tomorrow. Not really time for it now, but I'd love to hash that out.
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
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Day One
May 31, 2008 18:56:45 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 31, 2008 18:56:45 GMT -5
Blaster, remind me to hit you up on the role claim thing tomorrow. Not really time for it now, but I'd love to hash that out. Sure thing.
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Day One
May 31, 2008 19:00:36 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 31, 2008 19:00:36 GMT -5
Hey, look. I'm "most uncool", with 10 red stars. Somebody muckin with me? ;D
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Day One
May 31, 2008 19:01:35 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 31, 2008 19:01:35 GMT -5
Somebody was mucking with me...
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Merestil Haye
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May 31, 2008 19:49:27 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 31, 2008 19:49:27 GMT -5
[oog]
There are one or two "postcount bombs" - numbers which have special postcount titles. It appears that 60 is one of them. (42 used to be another but I'm not sure that it still is).
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Day One
May 31, 2008 20:42:26 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 31, 2008 20:42:26 GMT -5
Hey, I have a working computer with internet at home again! Not all of life sucks anymore! Missed the end of the Day still , but I should hopefully be around more on nights and weekends now! ok, enough about me...when is the dusk happening?
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Day One
May 31, 2008 20:54:08 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 31, 2008 20:54:08 GMT -5
I got internet in my hotel, so really quick here's a vote count before I head out on an 8 hour drive. C'mon! You should have arrived wherever you were going 3 hours ago! We want dusk! --FCOD
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Day One
May 31, 2008 20:55:13 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on May 31, 2008 20:55:13 GMT -5
Sorry guys, we left later than I expected and thus got in later than I expected.
Dusk post to follow.
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