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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 16, 2008 11:33:01 GMT -5
Did any of us accept milk? There's been, like, six people (lemme count) actually, nine, and I think the common bond is the milk. I think that the milk imposed a post count celing of, like, 10 or less. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Say that again? I am not following you.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 16, 2008 11:58:28 GMT -5
Did any of us accept milk? There's been, like, six people (lemme count) actually, nine, and I think the common bond is the milk. I think that the milk imposed a post count celing of, like, 10 or less. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Que? We've had three players lynched and six killed at Night. But Roosh said nothing at all about delivering milk until Day 3. The people who died before the dawn of Day 3 never had a chance to accept or decline Milk from Roosh. Who, by the way, is away until next Sunday - hence the Silence of the RoOsh.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 16, 2008 12:13:14 GMT -5
I'm glad the silence of the roosh is explained.
I will say though that I accepted milk and have had no adverse effects, and in fact no effects whatsoever. (Unless of course there are some hidden effects that I haven't been told.)
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 16, 2008 12:48:51 GMT -5
I'm glad the silence of the roosh is explained. I will say though that I accepted milk and have had no adverse effects, and in fact no effects whatsoever. (Unless of course there are some hidden effects that I haven't been told.) Same here. I am wondering if the Milk wasn't similar to shark repelant. (i.e. totally ineffectual, a red herring.)
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Post by bufftabby on Jun 16, 2008 12:50:31 GMT -5
Atarus is evil. Darth, help me out here. Why would you be looking for breadcrumbs from the dead townies? What exactly are you hoping to learn from it? Ryjae wasn't alive long enough to breadcrumb investigation results, especially if he was the one that killed on Night 1. I'm not sure what you would expect KidV to breadcrumb. This is something I've been wondering as well. I don't see how asking people to divulge any breadcrumbs they may have seen could be anything but power role fishing. What would we really learn from anything those two might have left? I think the attempts by Darth Sensitive and his apologist Rysto are simply post hoc reasoning to hide DS's suspicious-as-hell question about breadcrumbs.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 16, 2008 13:00:13 GMT -5
We've had three players lynched and six killed at Night. But Roosh said nothing at all about delivering milk until Day 3. The people who died before the dawn of Day 3 never had a chance to accept or decline Milk from Roosh. Who, by the way, is away until next Sunday - hence the Silence of the RoOsh. Actually I'm on Vacation until next Monday. But you are correct sir. I've taken a trip up to DC to visit a few old freinds and all. And along the way I stopped by our dear Mod's house so that he won't mod kill me. (As I speak, he is in the shower, getting ready). So yeah, I'm gonna be away this week, but I have to make my 5 requisite posts. [He is now sitting next to me, watching me. It's creepy. Though you all should wish him a happy birthday (t'was yesterday)!] I only have the internet connection for Today, as then I'm off to visit others who unfortuneately lack the internets. (Mr. Blocky, you shoulda came uip!) Anyways, this counts as one contented post. More to come.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 16, 2008 13:02:53 GMT -5
Roosh - who did you target last night? I think our exorcist sucks. Actually interestingly enough, I targetted... YOU! (Atarus found that amusing). (And i have to stop referring to him now in my posts, as it "humanizes" him. Silly gastard) But yes, more seriously - yeah, I targetted you. Did you get anything? Cuz I got something, but it's my 3 clues for the day! Which is going to come in my next contented post.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 16, 2008 13:12:33 GMT -5
My Clues for the Day:
1. I fear the undead. 2. I was targetted by another player last night. 3. Darth Sensitive, Storyteller, and tdpatriots are all your lovers. ~~~~~~~~~~
My quick thoughts on them: well, obviously- Tdpatriots is dead. And I'm not. So I'm thinking the lovers thing on Day 2 was the lie. OR "lovers" means something else. That's my thoughts- what if Lover actually means something else? As I did target all 3 players over the course of the last 3 nights. Is this how I get investigative results? Or maybe Story and Darth are lovers? I'm not sure on th at. If Lovers is a code or something, that might mean maybe DS, ST, and TD all are the same thing? Either role, or win condition? -ST has claimed though some sort of necromancer abilities, and darth to be possessed, td claimed vanilla though. So I sincerely doubt they're all the same ROLE- unless all 3 are vanilla townies, possessed, OR they all necromancers. But they could all be town. Or they could all be scum together (which i think is more unlikely).
But there's also the 3rd choice: This could be the lie. They aren't my lovers, and so easily enough- we have that as a simple lie. OR maybe one of them is my lover? :Shrug: i'm not sure on that one.
But the other two statements make me wonder- Anyone want to speak up if they targetted me last night? As if that's settled, then we could easily have the truth- unless of course MULTIPLE people targetted me last night- then i'm in trouble and that's the lie.
The undead line- :shrug: I dunno. It sorta conflicts with teh whole story as my lover thing. But It does still make me more worried about our growing zombie populace. As this is armageddon, and unless Storyteller is Zombie Jesus or something, I don't like the growing ranks of undead.....
But those are my quick thoughts on my clue for toDay. (I'll be online for the next 20 mins or so, so if you have questions- now would be the time.)
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 16, 2008 13:17:52 GMT -5
The only people that information will be useful to are the demons. Sigh. Once again, as a town our main problem is we lack information. More information, all else being equal, is virtually always useful to town. Knowing who you protected would help in evaluating the legitimacy of your claim. It would help show your thoughts on other people in this game. There might be pro-scum reasons that override the pro-town reasons, but there certainly are pro-town reasons. The deciding factor is not will an action help scum. The deciding factor must be whether an action will help scum more than it helps town. I really didn't like this post- as how could knowing who the doctor or doctoresque role be protecting be more helpful to the Town than the Scum? I really didn't like this whole questioning, as it really felt like fishing to me. Even if we knew her targets- if she was scum she could easily make them up to be the people who aren't dead yet. It doesn't really help us in any way as a TOWN, unless we know the validity of her role- the only ones who would know that though at this point would be the scum. Otherwise, we're just stuck with a bunch of names and a role that will still be unverified. That's the problem- if we consider the fact that scum will lie, there's no real point in asking that Q, UNLESS we possess some nugget of info that they do not, and we're hoping to trip them up. But that's NOT the simplest explaination to me- it's much more easily seen as fishing for information. So FOS Hawkeye with a vote to follow in the next contentfilled post.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 16, 2008 13:19:05 GMT -5
2. I was targetted by another player last night. Anyone want to speak up if they targetted me last night? As if that's settled, then we could easily have the truth- unless of course MULTIPLE people targetted me last night- then i'm in trouble and that's the lie. Even if multiple people targeted you, statement 2 would be true. It doesn't specify that only one person targeted you.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 16, 2008 13:27:30 GMT -5
I really didn't like this post- as how could knowing who the doctor or doctoresque role be protecting be more helpful to the Town than the Scum? I really didn't like this whole questioning, as it really felt like fishing to me. Even if we knew her targets- if she was scum she could easily make them up to be the people who aren't dead yet. It doesn't really help us in any way as a TOWN, unless we know the validity of her role- the only ones who would know that though at this point would be the scum. Otherwise, we're just stuck with a bunch of names and a role that will still be unverified. That's the problem- if we consider the fact that scum will lie, there's no real point in asking that Q, UNLESS we possess some nugget of info that they do not, and we're hoping to trip them up. But that's NOT the simplest explaination to me- it's much more easily seen as fishing for information. So FOS Hawkeye with a vote to follow in the next contentfilled post. I did not say that it was more pro-town than pro-scum. That is for Hockey to decide. What I objected to was the statement it had no protown benefit when clearly it does. Hockey revealing names would be helpful in my attempt to determine whether her claim made sense. Was she suspicious of who she protected? Did she pick people who seemed like reasonable targets at the time? Sure she could lie, but people who lie will screw up eventually. If I knew she was a martyr than the information would be terribly useful, but I don't know that. I'm not interested in trusting Story, Hockey, or anyone else on blind faith regardless of claimed roles.
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 16, 2008 13:33:13 GMT -5
Contented post #5: This is sort of the Reverse-BlaM tactics here I guess, since I'm only showing up for my big posts all at the start and then leaving for the rest of the week. So yeah- here's my suspicions list- in all of the last 30 mins: 1. Storyteller- I just don't like the zombies. And my clues aren't helping in that respect- or they might be. I don't know. Loverboy. So yeah, not gonna vote for you, but I Think you needs a good checking out. 2. BLaM- Hell, I called him out yesterDay on it, and he admitted it slightly for the previous days- the dude is lurking to a most heineous extent. The whole not checking in until the last day and then summerizing and voting really is HARD to effectively evaluate as a player. People need to start asking him the hard questions, and seeing if he shows up, because unless he's a goddamn confirmable role such as a Mason, I don't see how he can really justify that sort of playing style as being helpful to the town. It just generates suspicion yet it avoids it all the same, because people will remember his content posts, and they're always helpful, because they're a SUMMARY of ideas. -_- And it always allows him to escape from the drama of the Day simple because he'll always show up late to the party, so it's an easy and smart way to lurk, and I just don't like it. Big FOS to BlaM 3. Hawkeye- You're the most suspicious player in the last 30 mins of my catching up. But I don't think it's really enough to justify a full vote on you yet, as it's suspicious, and you're on my list of people, but it's not really enough in my head to justify my very early vote (Since whoever I vote for, I will not be around to unvote it later, should the need be). But those are my three big suspects for the start of the Day. Though, I must say Darth- I am getting more and more curious about your breadcrumbing comments- Where are the other players- ie: the exsorcist? As it seems from your first post you may still have a shoe problem, and I didn't fix it. It's been 3 Days/Nights- why haven't you been taken care of? It's something that intrigues me. But anyways, a vote! Vote BlaM because I really think we needs to get him involved in this game, and he REALLY has basically been lurking this game. Which is most uncool. Anyways, I'm gonna be around for the next few mins, and then I'm probably going to head onwards and outwards in my journey. But much thanks to Atarus for letting me crash and use his internet for toDay so I don't get modkilled. -_- Thanks again for everything (He's right here reading this over my shoulder....)
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Post by RoOsh on Jun 16, 2008 13:36:21 GMT -5
2. I was targetted by another player last night. Anyone want to speak up if they targetted me last night? As if that's settled, then we could easily have the truth- unless of course MULTIPLE people targetted me last night- then i'm in trouble and that's the lie. Even if multiple people targeted you, statement 2 would be true. It doesn't specify that only one person targeted you. touche' that's what I get for my quick and dirty analysis. But you're right.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 16, 2008 14:03:28 GMT -5
I am even more frustrated than before, now. I (obviously) missed yesterDay's deadline, which means that I did not bring back a zombie, which in turn limits my options. However, I will raise somebody up toDay, which will up my Night kill immunity to 80%; I thus formally withdraw my request for protection. Who would you have voted for yesterday? TDpats, but more from inertia than from anything decent. I had hoped to spend Friday working on the game. I'll do better toDay. Case in point. When did hockey claim, and what did she claim? [/quote]
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Post by Rysto on Jun 16, 2008 14:06:22 GMT -5
Hockey fully claimed here. She soft-claimed several pages before that. She claimed Martyr: she's a doctor who dies if her protection is successful.
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Post by Kison on Jun 16, 2008 17:30:36 GMT -5
~~Ro0sh~~
'and' does not mean 'or' last I checked, ma man.
In any event, the targeting thing would be good to semi-confirm you are telling the truth sometime in the future. I don't know what to make of the undead thing. Do you fear the undead, Ro0sh? #1 could be the 'maybe' and #2 could be the 'yes' while #3 seems clearly the 'no'.
Did you ever find out more about the milk? I did not receive anything indicating that the milk did anything to me.
On that note, I concur that BlaM needs to speak up. Vote : BlaM. Not sure I would lynch the guy for the lurking alone but I definitely support a pressure wagon. Mainly because I am having a hard time giving my own optimal participation due to the fast pace of this game. I can see this engulfing people not used to this.
Also, I forgot about this, but one other thing I picked up on yesterday was the eagerness of people trying to get info out of Ro0sh at the beginning of yesterday. Didn't like it.
~~Darth Sensitive~~
Was there any more basis for this vote other than 'I have no reason to trust you'?
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Post by Gir! on Jun 16, 2008 17:39:27 GMT -5
Okay, the following exchange brought up a question in my mind: Hockey Monkey, you're completely ignoring the context of what Darth said: He's clearly saying that he hasn't seen anybody other than Hal and himself who has breadcrumbed that they're a possessed Townie. I don't see what's so difficult about this. Rysto, I'm not ignoring any context. There was no context about breadcrumbs other than that sentence. It is not clear to me that he is talking about other possessed townies. "Anyone other than Hal" means anyone other than Hal, which includes everyone. All anyone who gets possessed has to do to breadcrumb it is mention their new footwear. Shouldn't be too hard to find those. I even went back and read the original post that Rysto quoted to see if there was additional context that he missed quoting, and there isn't. Reading that post, I can easily see hockeymonkey's interpretation of it as meaning any breadcrumbs from any player (vs. Rysto's stated interpretation of it as meaning possession breadcrumbs and Darth's stated intention as meaning breadcrumbs from dead players). I'd like to ask Rysto exactly what context he used to reach the "possession" conclusion, and why exactly he finds it so difficult to accept that the quoted statement could be interpreted to reach hockeymonkey's conclusion?
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Post by Gir! on Jun 16, 2008 17:45:54 GMT -5
Did any of us accept milk? There's been, like, six people (lemme count) actually, nine, and I think the common bond is the milk. I think that the milk imposed a post count celing of, like, 10 or less. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Are you implying that you've been notified that you've been informed that a post count maximum has been imposed on you? If so, did it specifically state that it was related to the milk, or are you assuming that?
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Post by Rysto on Jun 16, 2008 18:05:40 GMT -5
I'd like to ask Rysto exactly what context he used to reach the "possession" conclusion, The context that I underlined. The part that mentioned Hal and no one else. If I am to believe Hockey Monkey's interpretation, then I must believe that Darth is so stupid that he'd admit that he's scum who's been combing through the game threads looking for power roles to target. Frankly, I have more respect for Darth than that. Furthermore, I must believe that atarus designed a mechanic that involved two power roles( RyJae and the Exorcist) whose sole purpose was to save a single Townie who was operating on a time limit. Thirdly, if Darth is lying scum then somewhere there is an Excorcist who can expose Darth as a dirty liar -- an Excorcist who has nobody else to perform an exorcism on and thus is essentially powerless(unless he or she has other powers like RyJae did). I don't believe any of these things and thus I conclude that Hockey Monkey's interpretation, while superficially appealing, is extraordinarily unlikely to be true.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 16, 2008 18:07:07 GMT -5
I don't believe any of these things and thus I conclude that Hockey Monkey's interpretation, while superficially appealing, is extraordinarily unlikely to be true. I should clarify this. I don't believe that there is an Exorcist out there who is sitting on the information that Darth is a liar. That's what I meant.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 16, 2008 20:38:29 GMT -5
Rysto, possessed players don't need to drop cryptic breadcrumbs to be combed for. I respect Darth as a player too. Experienced and well respected players can and do slip. Do I really need to point that out??? On your second point, I agree that Atarus would have designed the game to have someone to exorcise a possessed player. Maybe the exorcist is dead or Darth isn't possessed or the exorcist has tried and failed. On your third point, isn't it possible that the exorcist has a failure rate? I can't believe you haven't thought of these possibilities or even worse, that you have and have dismissed them out of hand.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 17, 2008 10:10:57 GMT -5
Did I break it? Where the hell is everybody?
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Jun 17, 2008 10:15:21 GMT -5
Hockey - You've apparently missed breadcrumbs by player who needs shoe help. And it better be that the exorcist has a failure chance.
Roosh - No info stemming from being targeted by you.
Kison - The vote was directed pretty much directed solely at getting Roosh to talk
(And since when aam I respected? I still feel like the new guy who sucks)
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 17, 2008 10:19:21 GMT -5
Hockey - You've apparently missed breadcrumbs by player who needs shoe help. And it better be that the exorcist has a failure chance. If I missed it, please point it out. I don't think I'm the only one who did if that's the case.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 17, 2008 10:28:34 GMT -5
I have been going over and over the final vote counts for the last three Days, and what I found was...we aren't fucking playing this thing as a team. I don't know how to fix that, but if it keeps on like this we are well and truely fucked.
Stuff is all over the place. The only consistent thing I have seen is that BlaM wanted FCoD dead. I have to think that puts him in the town collumn now that we know that FCoD was town. BlaM was hounding him too hard to be scum. (disclaimer, not that he couldn't be scum, I just don't see the percentage in scum hounding a single townie every Day until his death, it just doesn't make sense to me)
Hockey's claim still bugs me but people seem to be resistant to lynching her since she is a claimed power role (even though I think her claim sucks). This wraps me around to an argument that I came up with yesterDay while Roosh was presenting his case against Rysto, that if Rysto is scum it adds to the case against HM. I am not going to vote for Rysto on that basis alone, that doesn't really seem like a good play. But I will go back and take a close look at Rysto.
I feel like I am grasping at straws here. Does anyone have a better plan? The Day is almost halfway over.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 17, 2008 10:39:59 GMT -5
Hockey's claim still bugs me but people seem to be resistant to lynching her since she is a claimed power role (even though I think her claim sucks). :shrug: Claim sucks because the role sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to choose wisely and die in the place of a better power role. If I get it right, I'll wake up dead.
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Post by bufftabby on Jun 17, 2008 11:30:54 GMT -5
Hockey's claim still bugs me but people seem to be resistant to lynching her since she is a claimed power role (even though I think her claim sucks). :shrug: Claim sucks because the role sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to choose wisely and die in the place of a better power role. If I get it right, I'll wake up dead. Hmm. Something just occurred to me. Why didn't you protect ryjae after he claimed? I can't think of anyone who would have been a better person to protect that Night.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 17, 2008 12:00:41 GMT -5
:shrug: Claim sucks because the role sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to choose wisely and die in the place of a better power role. If I get it right, I'll wake up dead. Hmm. Something just occurred to me. Why didn't you protect ryjae after he claimed? I can't think of anyone who would have been a better person to protect that Night. I was hoping that we have a better doctor type than me that would take care of the "bigger stuff". I mean, my power is only good once. If I'm all this game has in the way of protection, we're fucked. I took storyteller at his word night two and protected him. I didn't think the scum would go for ryjae and assume that he was being protected. I thought they might go for storyteller who had asked for protection because they would think he would not be protected because the doc wouldn't protect him because the doc would think the scum wouldn't target him because they would think he was being protected. I really hope there is somebody other than me that can protect people without having to die to do it.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 17, 2008 12:09:43 GMT -5
Silence may be golden in movie theaters, but it's barely worth a bronze in mafia games.
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Blaster Master (2): Roosh, Kison
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 17, 2008 12:20:07 GMT -5
Silence may be golden in movie theaters, but it's barely worth a bronze in mafia games. Says the man who hasn't met his Cecilvania post requierment yet. But he's right. We aren't talking, and I guess I have been as bad as anyone else...but with no one talking I don't know what to say that I haven't said already. Nice catch BTW buff, with HM and not protecting the obvious choice.
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