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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 21, 2008 22:39:33 GMT -5
Blaster Master was nervous. He had had a bit too much to drink with all the townspeople dying, and the alcohol had only fueled his paranoia as he stumbled towards his domicile. He flinched and jumped at every shadow, and stopped to yell at a particularly menacing trash can.
As he reached his door, he fumbled for his keys in his pocket...which then slipped from his fingers and tumbled into the bushes. Grumbling to himself, Blaster Master bent down to fish for his keys when he slipped on a puddle and smacked his head on the brick wall, making everything go black.
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The next morning, Blaster Master's body was discovered by Roosh with a yell. The town came running to find Blaster Master sprawled across his front stoop, a small pool of blood near his head.
"I think...I think he's dead..."
Cautiously, Roosh stepped forward and bent down to touch Blaster Master's neck to check his pulse. As he touched him, Blaster Master sat up with a yell and smacked Roosh across the face, sending him falling backwards.
"He's not dead?"
"Do I look dead?" Blaster Master grumbled. "I have a hell of a headache though."
The townspeople sighed in relief...until they realized somebody else was missing from their midst. A quick jog to her house discovered why she was missing: blood had been splattered everywhere and bufftabby had been scattered around her house in several bits and pieces.
A search of her house discovered that she had indeed been telling the truth about her masonhood: she had gone into detail in a journal about newfound psychic powers. What else she knew, however, had not been catalogued.
The town trudged back to the center of town, ready to start the Day...until they noticed that tdpatriots house had finally stopped burning. Half the town searched his house while the other half checked molefan's door which was now easy to open.
The search of tdpatriots' house found nothing special. He had been an ordinary townsperson. However, it was determined that molefan was a special case. He had been a total wuss. Several of his pants were stained wet and there had been another wet spot on his bed. His journal had chronicled how terrified he had been the past few Days. He wasn't normal: he was a total pansy.
Their worst fears had been confirmed: the two that had died the night before last had both been human. The townspeople were crestfallen but were prepared to go through the normal rituals of the Day...until....
"You people are all fools." Several people turned to look at Darth Sensitive, who had a dark smile on his face. He tapped the side of his head. "You know he was in here. He's been screaming for help since the beginning. But none of you bothered to help him. And now he's gone. I've drained all the life out of him. When I leave, there will be nothing left but his human husk."
He began to laugh as the townspeople began to circle him. "You're not going to kill me. I'm leaving. I don't care about what's going on here. I just needed more energy. " He grinned. "And poor Darth gave me everything I needed."
Darth Sensitive saluted the town, and as the first person lunged at him, his head snapped back and a dark mist poured out of his mouth and eyes. The mist continued to coalesce into a dark cloud that simply rose and rose until it had disappeared into the sky far far above the town.
Darth Sensitive's body collapsed, and after a quick check the townspeople found that his possessor had been telling the truth. Darth was quite, quite dead.
"Unnnnngh." The zombie ryjae shuffled past the stunned town.
The Day had begun.
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bufftabby, a Psychic (Mason), didn't see her fate coming.
Darth Sensitive, a Possessed Human, finally ran out of time.
tdpatriots was a normal Survivor. molefan1981 was a Pansy (Hider).
Ryjae is now a zombie. There are now 5 zombies walking about Last Bastion.
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Day Five begins now. Day Five will end Thursday at 8 PM EST.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 0:00:06 GMT -5
First, mole's role: An analysis of Kison doesn't turn up much, unfortunately. The most interesting thing is his behaviour on Days Two and Three. On Day Two, he voted for Hockey Monkey. On Day Three, he said that he didn't think that she was our best lynch option, and voted eventually voted for NAF. I'd bet anything he investigated one of the two Night Two, but it's impossible to know who. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to conclude anything. And we don't even know what his limitations were as a "Specialist Cop": only good against corporeal demons? Horsemen? I'm going to go ahead and vote BLaM[/color]. Several reasons for this, and I really wish that I hadn't been so fixated on blockey yesterDay that I didn't see it properly. First is this: That's not how it works, BLaM. You don't get to say "I have a pro-Town motivation but I can't tell you what it is". If we allow that argument, scum could act in a ridiculously pro-scum manner and get away with it(like what's happened with you). Bullshit. Lurking is the most anti-town thing anyone can do. This is a game of information, as you're quite fond of reminding us. Without information, the Town cannot win. Lurking is an attempt to deliberately withhold information from the Town, as such, it cannot be tolerated. Furthermore, when BLaM is scum, he tends to be very aggressive and very abrasive when under lynch pressure. He comes out swinging against his accusers, charging them with committing logical fallacies and engaging in general scummy behaviour. In short, he acts very much like he has in this game. I've played in two games with him when he's been Town and I've never seen him act like that in those games. Finally, the Kison bandwagon stinks. It came out of nowhere and pulled BLaM's ass out of the fire. I don't think that the bandwagon was instigated by scum -- in my experience, scum would never put their ass on the line like that -- but they'll definitely help such a bandwagon along with key votes at key times. My other big suspects are MHaye and NAF. MHaye has a pair of conveniently timed votes on blockey and Kison, both of whom were the leading alternatives to BLaM. If BLaM is scum, this looks very bad on MHaye. Now, at this point I'm leaving myself open to a charge of "linking alignments", which I will provisionally allow. However, note that I am voting for BLaM, and I have presented a case against him independent of the case against MHaye. The argument is not circular, and thus not invalid. I want my suspicions against MHaye on the record now, with the caveat that the case against MHaye mostly falls to pieces if BLaM is not a Demon. I will say that MHaye's case against Kison sucks. The key part that MHaye elided here is that the only reason that blockey gave for my post being scummy is that it looked like it was providing a distraction from the BLaM lynch. With that key piece of information, Kisons worries become a lot clearer. blockey apparently found BLaM not scummy, but my post was scummy because it looked like it was trying to provide cover for BLaM. I can fully understand why that would set off alarms for Kison. For NAF I can't really give good reasons for why he's scummy yet, he's just been pinging me. If I have time toDay I will be giving him a much closer look, but I have a feeling that arguing with BLaM is going to take up most of my time...
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Jun 22, 2008 0:14:54 GMT -5
Spoil me please! I'm now rooting for the zombies (but not story )
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 22, 2008 9:10:12 GMT -5
OK. I have survived until Day Five, so I think it's time for me to tell (most of) the rest of my story. Specifically, I want to talk about zombies, and the marvelous things they can accomplish if there are enough of them.
At the end of the Day toDay, I will raise one of the deceased from the dead and, assuming it works properly (the chances are quite good that it will), I will then have six. While I can theoretically have as many zombies as I want, there are only six powers available to me, so by toNight I will have enough zombies to choose among all six freely.
I would, if possible, like to keep secret the specific powers associated with one, two, three, four, and five zombies. As I alluded yesterDay, one of the powers is the ability to Night kill, which will cause two zombies to crumble into dust. I had considered using this power on misterblockey last Night, but given that his power appears to be turning the ability of another player back on that player, I considered the risk too great, especially in light of the identity of our lynch victim yesterDay.
Why?
Because power over the dead is a multifactorial thing. With the combined life force of six zombies, I can raise a player back from the dead, to full participation (ie, as a player, not as a zombie). There are restrictions to this power; I can raise only a player who has been lynched, not a player who has been Night killed. Furthermore, and more critically, I can raise only a player who was the most recent lynch.
Right now, that means Kison, a Cop who died with his results tucked away in his pocket. However, by toNight, that will mean someone else.
Unless...
I absolutely don't know if this is a good move, and I'm open to suggestion on the subject. But one option that exists would be to vote collectively for a no-lynch toDay. I have already confirmed with the moderator that if we no-lynch toDay, I can, in fact, bring Kison back toNight. The danger would be the possibility that I am role-blocked toNight, in which case we'd have no-lynched for nothing.
The second option is to proceed as usual, and lynch someone toDay. If it's someone with a good power role, I can always bring them back to life toNight. If it's not, I can do something else, something much less useful but still moderately useful.
In either case, whatever I do toNight will cause a certain number of zombies to crumble into dust, which should alleviate some of the fears that I'm trying to build an army to outnumber the Town.
So there it is. I serve at the pleasure of the Town; input on the best course of action is welcomed.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 22, 2008 10:22:53 GMT -5
Hey everyone.
Story, feel free to rip my head off for even suggesting this but...wasn't one of the four horsement Death? I am looking over the list of claimed roles and dead power roles and two things about your claim strike me.
1) Necromancer as a name doesn't seem to really fit 2) If you are as powerful as you claim to be you are WAY too fucking powerful for this game. Their doesn't seem to be a balance to your role anywhere. And now you are suggesting a no lynch.
There are 13 players left alive. Of those that are alive 2 of them are likely masons, and 4 of them are likely horsemen, one of those horesmen has claimed. Rysto has soft claimed a power role, but he might be a horseman so let's not count that, and Nanook has claimed a doc type thing, so has HM. If we believe them and assume 2-4 scum...that doesn't leave a lot of room left.
And now you are actually asking us to no lynch toDay. I think you are a horseman who is close to his win condition, and the time has come for us to no longer let you live.
Sorry man, it was a hell of a gambit.
vote story
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 10:25:59 GMT -5
That's an interesting perspective. And how, exactly, would you know that the scum don't have anything to balance story's role?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 22, 2008 10:28:40 GMT -5
Okay.....
I swear for a survivor role I'm really trying to get myself killed right now.
This whole thought process occurred to me this morning when I saw the roles of TD and Molefan. Please bear with me, don't just jump the gun at the start of my statement.
I am partially responsible for both of their deaths. See, as War I was given a one shot super ability, the ability to redirect all night actions to one person. I was feeling heat going down my neck, and town pfk or whatever, you never want to die before getting to do your one shot action.
I thought TD was scum. He was the only person I really thought was scum, so I targeted him. I figured, also if I came out with this, that the worse case scenario was we had one death instead of two, as all of the night kills for that night would go to the same person.
We only had two night kills the night before last. I'm pretty sure about this, because I'm pretty sure we only have one doctor. This didn't become clear to me until I found out, and thought about molefan's role. No one went out to kill mole that night, he was hiding behind td. That's why they both weren't identified until toDay. They both were hit by the same effect.
Why am I confessing all of this. I didn't realize until today when I thought about molefan, but it's obvious now. Hockeymonkey is lying. If she were a martyr, she would have died, and it might even only have been her that died.
I'm sorry to distract from Story's conundrum, however if I said this toMorrow I doubt anyone would believe me. I feel bad enough I didn't figure this out yesterDay, but it took reading Mole's role to get it to click in my head.
I will say this: If we go with Story's option and he accepts the offer I can afford him a degree of protection tonight, otherwise I'll stay out of that.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 22, 2008 10:30:25 GMT -5
also Blaster Master, can you please tell us what happened to you last night? Preferably before we have lest than 24 hours in the day.....
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 22, 2008 10:45:37 GMT -5
That's an interesting perspective. And how, exactly, would you know that the scum don't have anything to balance story's role? Ok, I suppose they could. If they do we are just as fucked. Maybe we got really lucky by taking out the demon lord on Day 1, and he had all kinds of wacky powers. I am trying to look at this from a logical standpoint of a game designer, and as a game designer, based on what I know, story's role is crazy overpowerd with seemingly few internal checks. He raises zombies, but if he hadn't told us he was doing that, it would just be another bit of weirdness. Each zombie gives him more powers and more nightkill immunity and one of those powers is rasing the dead...that doesn't make sense to me. Sorry, it just doesn't. From a game design perspective if just doesn't balance out. What I am saying is we have admited PFK's out there alread, story's power fits with the PFK idea. He is asking us to no lynch toDay. That scares the shit out of me and I want him dead before other scum at this point. Also, Rysto, how'd you sleep?
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 10:56:02 GMT -5
Also, Rysto, how'd you sleep? If you're hinting at something in-game, I have no freakin' clue what you're on about.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 22, 2008 11:18:48 GMT -5
Also, Rysto, how'd you sleep? If you're hinting at something in-game, I have no freakin' clue what you're on about. Damn...well then, never mind.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 22, 2008 11:26:33 GMT -5
I really hope if anyone has questions for me they can get one or two in before I have to go to work (in about two hours)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 22, 2008 11:48:22 GMT -5
Whassamatter there, NAF, you worried that if Kison comes back he might have something to say about you? Hey everyone. Story, feel free to rip my head off for even suggesting this but...wasn't one of the four horsement Death? I am looking over the list of claimed roles and dead power roles and two things about your claim strike me. Yes. The four horsemen were Death, War, Famine, and Plague (Pestilence). I've been entertaining imaginings that Roosh's milk deliveries were somehow related to spreading Plague, and that Plague is a mad bomber-type PFK, but they're just that: imaginings. Color-based speculation is a big fat waste of time, and I'm amazed that we haven't realized that yet. This makes no sense. Warlock, Demon Hunter, Necromancer. They fit perfectly, in a D&D / Diablo sort of way. You're just making up point #1 out of whole cloth. No? No balance? Well, how about the fact that my power was utterly useless Night One (no zombies, don't you know, means no powers at all, and no protection from Night kills)? Or that my power on Night Two was mediocre at best, and still I had less than 50% protection from Night kills? So I had to survive until Night Three just to have a chance of using a power with some value. Not to mention, the name and nature of my role would appear to be nicely self-balancing, since it was a foregone conclusion that I would never be trusted enough to maximize the utility of my powers. So here I am, Day Five, I've actually done nothing at all because I've been saving up zombies in the hope of using the resurrection power, which is incredibly limited (it works only on the most recently-lynched player). Because of that limitation, the power is useful only if I can convince the Town to no-lynch, which I'm not even sure is a good idea because if there's a role-blocker among the scum, the power is useless. It's miracle I've survived as long as I have, and half the Town is half-ready to lynch me if I sneeze funny. So I reject your contention that my role is imbalanced. It is powerful, but it is rife with limitations, caveats, and disadvantages. And you have now soft-claimed a power role, as well. Meanwhile, any particular reason that you see Nanook's or HM's claims as particularly believable? Particularly in light of misterblockey's revelations so far today, which seem to suggest that HM might be lying? I have presented the option. As I've said, I am uncertain at best about the wisdom of a no-lynch, given the potential for something to go wrong. That's a far cry from "asking [the Town, of which I don't really think you're likely to be a member] to no lynch toDay." Please don't mischaracterize my statements while you're scummily voting for me, OK? Fair enough. I think you're scum or a horseman and terrified that I'll bring back Kison - who if memory serves was smudgier of you than of anyone yesterDay in particular - and he'll out you once and for all. So we'll see how things go, won't we?
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 22, 2008 12:02:12 GMT -5
I don't believe HM's claim. Not for a minute. And haven't for Days. I was simply listing claims.
I am not making point 1 out of wholecloth. I was thinking more of a medieval religious theme rather than a D&D Diablo theme. I know little of D&D or Diablo, but I do know a bit about the other and a bit about Pratchet.
I do like how you and Rysto are tag teaming me though. I particularly like the whole "I find NAF suspicious but dammit I don't know why". I was ok with that yesterDay because I more or less still believed you story. It wasn't until you promised us a resurection of a cop in exchange for a no lynch that I got worried.
Look at it from my perspective, isn't that an disturbing proposition especially since Death fits your stated color as well (if not better for the game as a whole).
Also saying that color is 100% meaningless is a lie and you know it.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 13:08:25 GMT -5
Ugh. This is a tough one. The trouble that we have is that we're probably very close to lynch-or-lose, what with us being down 11 survivors to 1 demon. If story successfully raises Kison, then the half mis-lynch we give up by No Lynching is offset by the getting a Townie back from the dead. With 13 players remaining, assuming only the lynch and the Demon Night-Kill, a no-lynch takes us one step closer to lynch or lose if we don't get Kison back. This could be a clever ruse by a Demon to ensure a win -- we could easily be at lynch-or-lose toDay(7 demons out of 24 players is quite reasonable). Let's look at the possible scenarios:
1) story is Town - If story is Town, then his is surely telling the truth about his resurrection ability. This makes story a confirmable power role: if the zombies crumble to dust and Kison rises from the dead, we know that story has been truthful. This makes this quite a powerful ability, even without the fact that he will be returning a power role to life.
2) story is a Demon - As previously mentioned, this could be a scum gambit with us at lynch-or-lose. However, if story is a Demon, what are the zombies for, exactly? This is a big sticking point for me
3) story is a Horseman Seems quite reasonable on the face of it. story could be Death, with a win condition that involves his Zombies. But the timing doesn't make any sense at all. Remember, story has failed to raise a Zombie twice: once on Night One, once on Day Three. Raising a Zombie those Nights would put story to win last Night, wouldn't it? A player who could win Night Four seems ridiculously unbalanced. story as PFK fits the colour best. But his actions are not consistent with a PFK, because I just don't see how it could be balanced.
Now, what about the implications of story's claimed power on balance? For starters, he says that he can only bring back the last lynch victim. That's significantly less powerful than the Chia Bingo Manager, because it makes it far less likely that a power role could be resurrected. How often do Cops get lynched, really? I don't think that I've seen it happen before this game. story's claimed power comes up to this: - confirms himself and his target as Town - gives the Town half of a mis-lynch, equivalent to a Night-kill of scum or a blocked kill
A powerful ability to be sure, but it's essentially a one-shot power that is severely limited in who it can be targeted on.
Now, I do have some worries. My biggest is story's claim that his Zombies confer a night-kill resistance. Giving a confirmable power role a night-kill resistance is very, very powerful. If story's claim is true, I think that casts grave doubts on our Doctor claims: the combination of story's powers and a Doctor would be off the charts on JSexton's formula. Occam's razor says that a Doctor is far more likely than story's role, though.
Another worry I have is the Autolycus Lynch Effect. Some history for those who weren't around or don't remember M2. In M2, the Town was basically getting its ass kicked. They lost something like 2 Masons to Night kills Night 1, the Detective Night 2, had the Vigilante and 2 Masons claim Day 2 and the Doctor claim not long after that. It was a total mess. Something like 12 townies were killed before a Beat Cop claimed and outed a single Mafia member. Basically, we were getting our asses kicked. And then, the next Day, the Beat Cop got a Serial Killer result on a player, and extrapolated from that result to present a case against Autolycus as the Godfather. The despair among the Town up to that point was palpable. We were losing badly and we knew it, and then there was the ray of hope shining through the gloom, and we jumped on it because we so badly wanted it to be true. Needless to say, Auto was not the Godfather, the Serial Killer result was false and the Town went on to lose ignobly. We have to be careful when evaluating this claim that we don't end up believing it because we want it to be true.
Finally, the claim is kind of ... convenient. Just one more Zombie and we can have the Cop back. This is an impossible charge to defence against, I know, because if it's true it's just a coincidence, but the timing sucks, I have to admit.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 15:12:01 GMT -5
Okay..... I swear for a survivor role I'm really trying to get myself killed right now. This whole thought process occurred to me this morning when I saw the roles of TD and Molefan. Please bear with me, don't just jump the gun at the start of my statement. I am partially responsible for both of their deaths. See, as War I was given a one shot super ability, the ability to redirect all night actions to one person. I was feeling heat going down my neck, and town pfk or whatever, you never want to die before getting to do your one shot action. I thought TD was scum. He was the only person I really thought was scum, so I targeted him. I figured, also if I came out with this, that the worse case scenario was we had one death instead of two, as all of the night kills for that night would go to the same person. We only had two night kills the night before last. I'm pretty sure about this, because I'm pretty sure we only have one doctor. This didn't become clear to me until I found out, and thought about molefan's role. No one went out to kill mole that night, he was hiding behind td. That's why they both weren't identified until toDay. They both were hit by the same effect. Why am I confessing all of this. I didn't realize until today when I thought about molefan, but it's obvious now. Hockeymonkey is lying. If she were a martyr, she would have died, and it might even only have been her that died. I'm sorry to distract from Story's conundrum, however if I said this toMorrow I doubt anyone would believe me. I feel bad enough I didn't figure this out yesterDay, but it took reading Mole's role to get it to click in my head. I will say this: If we go with Story's option and he accepts the offer I can afford him a degree of protection tonight, otherwise I'll stay out of that. Blocky, I'm not getting where you come up with me as a liar. I would have died only if I chose to protect TD or Molefan. Since I did not choose to protect either of them that night, I'm not getting your logic here.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 15:17:39 GMT -5
Blocky, I'm not getting where you come up with me as a liar. I would have died only if I chose to protect TD or Molefan. Since I did not choose to protect either of them that night, I'm not getting your logic here. blockey is claimed to have used an ability to redirect all night actions to tdpats that night. If that were true, then your protection should have activated and saved him. I must admit that I have some difficulty believing the words of a known PFK, though.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 15:22:49 GMT -5
Blocky, I'm not getting where you come up with me as a liar. I would have died only if I chose to protect TD or Molefan. Since I did not choose to protect either of them that night, I'm not getting your logic here. blockey is claimed to have used an ability to redirect all night actions to tdpats that night. If that were true, then your protection should have activated and saved him. I must admit that I have some difficulty believing the words of a known PFK, though. I find that ability a bit unbelievable then. How in the world would a game mod reconcile that kind of power? If all night actions are directed toward a single person, then how do your reconcile a kill, a protect, maybe another kill, maybe another protect, and whatever assorted other actions there are out there? I'm still here, so either my action wasn't affected by it, or he's lying.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 16:53:22 GMT -5
[quote author=naf1138 board=stuff thread=366 post=25910 time=1214154132I do like how you and Rysto are tag teaming me though.[/quote] So, which is it, NAF? Is story an independent PFK close to his win condition, or are the two of us scum together? Your arguments are contradictory. Do you know what I think? I think that you're terrified of story right now. Because either he's telling the truth, and a Cop is about to return to life, or he's a lying PFK, making a gambit to steal victory from the Demons.
NAF, it very much looks like you are throwing whatever crap you can find and seeing what sticks, which is quite scummy.
Well you see, you are third on my list, which means I haven't examined you in depth yet. Believe you me, when I have you fully in my sights you will know it.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 22, 2008 18:02:17 GMT -5
Damn. I really really really want to believe storyteller. I need to reread his posts.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 21:20:01 GMT -5
OK. I have survived until Day Five, so I think it's time for me to tell (most of) the rest of my story. Specifically, I want to talk about zombies, and the marvelous things they can accomplish if there are enough of them. At the end of the Day toDay, I will raise one of the deceased from the dead and, assuming it works properly (the chances are quite good that it will), I will then have six. While I can theoretically have as many zombies as I want, there are only six powers available to me, so by toNight I will have enough zombies to choose among all six freely. I would, if possible, like to keep secret the specific powers associated with one, two, three, four, and five zombies. As I alluded yesterDay, one of the powers is the ability to Night kill, which will cause two zombies to crumble into dust. I had considered using this power on misterblockey last Night, but given that his power appears to be turning the ability of another player back on that player, I considered the risk too great, especially in light of the identity of our lynch victim yesterDay. Why? Because power over the dead is a multifactorial thing. With the combined life force of six zombies, I can raise a player back from the dead, to full participation (ie, as a player, not as a zombie). There are restrictions to this power; I can raise only a player who has been lynched, not a player who has been Night killed. Furthermore, and more critically, I can raise only a player who was the most recent lynch. Right now, that means Kison, a Cop who died with his results tucked away in his pocket. However, by toNight, that will mean someone else. Unless... I absolutely don't know if this is a good move, and I'm open to suggestion on the subject. But one option that exists would be to vote collectively for a no-lynch toDay. I have already confirmed with the moderator that if we no-lynch toDay, I can, in fact, bring Kison back toNight. The danger would be the possibility that I am role-blocked toNight, in which case we'd have no-lynched for nothing. The second option is to proceed as usual, and lynch someone toDay. If it's someone with a good power role, I can always bring them back to life toNight. If it's not, I can do something else, something much less useful but still moderately useful. In either case, whatever I do toNight will cause a certain number of zombies to crumble into dust, which should alleviate some of the fears that I'm trying to build an army to outnumber the Town. So there it is. I serve at the pleasure of the Town; input on the best course of action is welcomed. OhGodohGodohGodohGod! We've been duped. I wish like hell we had lynched you yesterday story. 1: Kison went to his death yesterday because of bad play on his part. If he had claimed, he may still be alive. 2: You can conveniently bring back the cop who didn't claim. 3: You ask the town if they think it would be a good idea to bring back the cop and if not, we can no lynch or hope to lynch a good power role today for you to bring back. That's just wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start. 4: I think he only needs the one more zombie to win and is dangling this mighty delicious carrot in front of the town to move us toward that end. 5: Storyteller needs to die today before he can raise another zombie. vote storyteller
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 21:31:43 GMT -5
4: I think he only needs the one more zombie to win and is dangling this mighty delicious carrot in front of the town to move us toward that end. See, now this doesn't follow. At all. If somebody could explain how a no-lynch advances story's hypothetical win condition I'd love to hear it. (I agree the "if it's a power role I can bring them back" thing is a bit off, though. Not to the extent that hockey is alleging, though. That's one hell of a misrepresentation there, hockey.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 21:37:34 GMT -5
The delicious carrot is his "ability" to bring someone back. I think he's hoping that we won't kill him so he can make his last zombie.
He is advocating not lynching so he can bring back his carrot instead of whoever we lynch today.
I don't think I'm misrepresenting anything: I'm giving my interpretation.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 21:38:37 GMT -5
NETA, by carrot in the second line, I mean Kison of course.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 21:43:40 GMT -5
Blaming Kison for not being around for the 4 1/2 hour period in which his was lynched is more than a little off. In any case, this point makes no sense. Are you seriously alleging that if story were guaranteed to be truthful, you'd seriously say "well, he made a bad play, so we shouldn't bring him back?" hockey, this post reads very much like scum saying "damnit I worked damned hard to get the Cop lynched and it's not fair if he comes back!" I can't see any possible pro-Town motivation for saying we shouldn't bring a confirming Cop back -- a Cop whose investigations we never received -- because he made a bad play.
I'm seriously starting to entertain the notion that blockey was actually being truthful in his claim. Something weird happened Night 3.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 21:54:01 GMT -5
No, dammit, I'm saying that I don't think story CAN bring him back. If he is being truthful, then of course he should. I don't think he is being truthful.
Story is playing on our emotions by saying Oh Kison died with all his investigations in his pocket! Wouldn't it be great if I could bring him back? I never said I wouldn't want him to if he could.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 22, 2008 21:56:37 GMT -5
No, dammit, I'm saying that I don't think story CAN bring him back. If he is being truthful, then of course he should. I don't think he is being truthful. Well sure, I can see that part. But what's the relevance of part 1) I quoted above. Frankly, I don't see how Kison alleged bad play has to do with anything.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 22, 2008 22:00:51 GMT -5
You know what? This sucks. I've revealed every blessed detail about my role in glorious living color. I've done nothing at all that anyone can point at to draw warranted suspicion. I can bring the fucking Cop back, if that seems like the play, or I can not. All the stupid "oh, he's trying to get us to no-lynch" crap that hockey and NAF are spouting is just a blatant lie; twice now I've emphasized that I'm not even sure it's the best move even given Kison's Cop-ness. The two of them are so anxious to see me lynched that they can't even figure out what it is, exactly, they're accusing me of trying to do.
I really, really don't know what to do. But I'll keep on slugging, best I can, because damned if I'm going to let the scum drag me to the gallows with smoke and mirrors and whipped up bullshit paranoia (yes, NAF, I'm looking at you).
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 22, 2008 22:04:49 GMT -5
Are we the only ones still awake?
If Kison had claimed, and we had not lynched him then story might have to be scrambling a little harder to come up with some reason for us not to lynch him today. So I thought it was relevant enough to bring it up. It gave storyteller a carrot to dangle. Ever since story told us about the zombies, we've told him we were going to lynch him. He had all Night to fashion his claim with the information that Kison was a cop.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 22, 2008 22:11:40 GMT -5
OhGodohGodohGodohGod! We've been duped. I wish like hell we had lynched you yesterday story. 1: Kison went to his death yesterday because of bad play on his part. If he had claimed, he may still be alive. 2: You can conveniently bring back the cop who didn't claim. 3: You ask the town if they think it would be a good idea to bring back the cop and if not, we can no lynch or hope to lynch a good power role today for you to bring back. That's just wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start. 4: I think he only needs the one more zombie to win and is dangling this mighty delicious carrot in front of the town to move us toward that end. 5: Storyteller needs to die today before he can raise another zombie. vote storytellerI'm just going to continue to fight the good fight and point out that the post above, reproduced here in its entirety but with color elided for moderator convenience, is completely and utterly devoid of anything resembling actual reasoning. Point #1 has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and why it's included in this weak-ass attempt at an indictment I don't know. I don't give two craps why Kison is dead; I care that I can bring him back. The idea that we shouldn't want to bring him back because he died as a result of his own bad play is - well, I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of sense, is what I'm saying here. Point #2 is just stupid. Sure, it's "convenient," in the sense that all I have to do to make it happen is convince the Town to no-lynch, which no one has agreed to do in about fifty games, and avoid a role-blocker if one exists. Which is to say, it's no more "convenient" than any power is "convenient," and this point is the opposite of reasoning; it's fear-mongering. Point #3 is an actual, factual mis-statement of what I have said. I have said: we can no-lynch and bring back the Cop (but with the caveat that I might be role-blocked. And furthermore, since he was a specialized Cop of some sort, he may turn out to be less useful than we might be hoping). I have also said that if we elect not to do this, I can either use the ressurection power as a hedge against a lynching of a power role or, if we lynch either a Demon or a vanilla, use a different, somewhat less useful but still useful, power toNight. What you said in your point #3 is not only something I never said, it's actually sort of nonsensical. Point #4 is again, devoid of reasoning. It's just a bald assertion, playing on extant paranoia over the nature of my role. That it's incorrect isn't even the point; that it's unsupported by any actual facts in evidence, that it's pure unadulterated guesswork dressed up at reasoning - that's the point. Point #5 is not actually an argument; it's just a conclusion. I'd bet my farm on either NAF or hockeymonkey being scum/PFK, based not on the fact that they are attacking me but on the sheer simple emptiness of their arguments. They are trying to freak people out, to scare the Town into voting for me because I must be the boogeyman. It might work, but fuck if I'm going to let a single empty argument go unchallenged along the way.
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