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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 14:25:52 GMT -5
option 1 story
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 14:28:28 GMT -5
I know you're probably about ready to kill people for asking this over and over, but the exact nature of the power you have claimed is still confusing me. You target two players: let's call them DIOMEDES and IDLE THOUGHTS. Which of the following is true: 1. Any action that targets IDLE instead targets DIO, and vice versa? Gah page change and me trying to be fast, that one's the right one, except I'm not sure what happens if a horseman targets. I'm pretty sure they're even indirectly immune, so if a horseman targets someone I've targeted and their action is active, it'll probably just go past my passive action. I doubt atarus would explain this, and certainly wouldn't do so in public, but it seems semi-unlikely enough anyway.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 24, 2008 14:41:08 GMT -5
also NAF I'm confused as to how I could have messed with your night actions by targeting you without targeting your actual target rysto. Like story, I might just be confused about how your powers work.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 24, 2008 14:44:33 GMT -5
Now that I see there is a second page, yes, I did not understand how your powers worked. I thought it was a combination of 1 and 2.
Ok, gottcha.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 24, 2008 15:16:07 GMT -5
so...according to mod man, he is only letting people who get return results know if they were blocked by my dreams. Otherwise all they know is that their power didn't work or (if they are vanilla) they know nothing at all.
hmmm, makes me not really like that power very much.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 24, 2008 15:18:07 GMT -5
NETA: the previous post is phrased the way it is in order to be as far away from quoting the mod as possible while still relaying the message from the mod.
My dream power was one shot.
:glares at nit-picker Rysto:
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 15:35:12 GMT -5
Now that I see there is a second page, yes, I did not understand how your powers worked. I thought it was a combination of 1 and 2. Ok, gottcha. I see more easily now how people thought my claim was overpowered. The lack of response from Hockey Monkey makes me feel more secure in my thought that she's a demon. Also I'm more and more suspicious of Blam the longer he waits to talk.... Screw it, I was holding this to my chest in order to gauge Blam better, but I'm tired of giving him so much time to fabricate a response. NAF, I targeted you last night. Whatever hit Blam (if something did and that wasn't meaningless color) was aimed at you. If your dream ability is somehow recursive I might have had an effect on it. I was hoping you'd explain it a little more without me having to make it obvious I targeted you.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 24, 2008 16:00:18 GMT -5
If your dream ability is somehow recursive I might have had an effect on it. I was hoping you'd explain it a little more without me having to make it obvious I targeted you. Interesting. BlaM, what's up? What happened (if anything) to you last Night? My power should be fairly straight forward, so you targeting me shouldn't have done anything I don't think.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 24, 2008 16:12:46 GMT -5
And, since I seem to be in here by myself again, anyone know what happened to hawk and pedescribe?
They both seem to have fallen off the face of the earth.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 16:19:32 GMT -5
heck if I know
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 24, 2008 16:56:20 GMT -5
Now that I see there is a second page, yes, I did not understand how your powers worked. I thought it was a combination of 1 and 2. Ok, gottcha. I see more easily now how people thought my claim was overpowered. The lack of response from Hockey Monkey makes me feel more secure in my thought that she's a demon. Also I'm more and more suspicious of Blam the longer he waits to talk.... Screw it, I was holding this to my chest in order to gauge Blam better, but I'm tired of giving him so much time to fabricate a response. NAF, I targeted you last night. Whatever hit Blam (if something did and that wasn't meaningless color) was aimed at you. If your dream ability is somehow recursive I might have had an effect on it. I was hoping you'd explain it a little more without me having to make it obvious I targeted you. :stops printing a customer's paperwork: My lack of response to your vote has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with me being busy as hell at work today. I am not a demon, I am a Martyr. I don't know what more I can say. Sorry if that doesn't satisfy you. :goes back to work:
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 24, 2008 17:38:08 GMT -5
OK looks like the no lynch ain't going to happen so
Unvote no-lynch
I know I was against lynching PFK's but thanks to Story I realise that we don't actually know there are even any PFK's in this game.
All we have is Blockey's claim. And that could be smart scum play. Sure he won't make right to the end with that claim. But he could make it far enough to give the win to the scum.
I think we need information, I think we need to know for sure a little bit more about the set up in this game. And to do that we need to lynch the known anti-town element. And thanks to Storey's powers, (yes I believe his role claim), we have a couple of extra days leeway with no nightkills, so lynching a PFK isn't as bad a move as it would ordinarily be.
On that basis I am going to Vote MrBlockey
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 17:48:50 GMT -5
I can't say I'm happy with that thought process... My pro-town leanings don't go quite so far as volunteering to die. Particularly when I can use my night action as a semi-doctor action/can cause scum to accidentally kill themselves.
I believe multiple people have semi-confirmed me at this point as well.
Also it's likely of all the pfks to kill, I'm the absolutely least threatening. I can't win unless I'm one of only three people alive.
To that end, if you really really really want information over the lier, then I'd suggest lynching rysto as he won't claim and he's more than likely also a horseman.
Finally with the new information it's fairly likely we only have the one mafia nk now, and if the mafia are the only one's killing, and one of my targets dies, then I can also confirm my other target as town. All things I can't do while dead.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 24, 2008 17:50:49 GMT -5
That's a fair point, story, absolutely a fair point. I will say that I mark a distinction between deliberately participating as little as possible and not revealing the details of one's role.
In any case, the real reason that I was reluctant to claim is that I don't have as much (useful) information as you think I do. Frankly, I'm confused as hell as to what's been going on. However, in light of blockey's clarification of his role, I think that I can glean enough information to make this worthwhile.
I am the Apprentice Demon Hunter, AKA the backup Vig. With RyJae's death Night Two, I took over as the full-time Vig from Night Three on.
My role PM contained three pieces of information:
1) The Demon Hunter to whom I was apprenticed(who was not RyJae) interests lay in the Book of Revelations and Apocalypse lore in general. I never actually expected the information to ever be useful. Shows what I know. On our way to Last Bastion we encountered one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse. My master was killed but I escaped.
2) When I arrived at Last Bastion I recognized RyJae, who I knew in passing. I decided to leave demon hunting to the fully-trained Demon Hunter, but knew that if RyJae was killed I could take his place.
I knew that RyJae was a pro-Town Vig. He knew that I was here and could take his place as a Vig should he die. I have no idea whether he knew that I would not replace him as "Holy Water Guy" as well. We were not able to communicate at any time(atarus justified this with some lame colour about how RyJae was too paranoid to let me approach him, presumably because he didn't want the Demons to get wind of us).
I did not know that he was "Holy Water Guy". I was very confused when he claimed that the "Demon Hunter" was "Holy Water Guy" and that he was a "Guardian"(I ended up having to PM atarus to confirm whether RyJae really was a Demon Hunter and that I hadn't been told the wrong player's name). I couldn't make heads or tails what was true and what was false and I began to suspect that he was for some reasoning covering for the real Holy Water Guy.
Anyway, as best I can figure with what I know now, RyJae claimed so early because he figured that I would take over the Vig duties if he was killed, and with Hal and Darth having come out on their own his other role as Holy Water Guy wasn't as important.
My knowledge that RyJae was Town was probably part of the reason that I pressed Nanook so much Days Two and Three. Knowing that Nanook's conclusion was wrong probably made the inconsistency I harped on look at lot scummier to me than it really was.
3) I have gone far enough in my training that I should be able to take down a Demon on my own(although there's enough wiggle-room in my PM to allow for the possibility of a Godfather-type Demon with a night-kill resistance). The really annoying part is that I have not progressed far enough to have any chance of defeating a Horseman on my own: should I target one, the Horseman will survive and I have a 50% chance of dying. On the one hand it was quite frustrating to be sure that blockey was a Horseman and not being able to do anything about it directly, on the other hand it made my job easier in that there's one less Horseman I can stumble onto and get myself killed. This restriction is the reason that I rode blockey so hard: I knew that I could take care of a Demon myself, but the Town has to lynch the Horsemen.
I don't know whether RyJae was able to Vig a Horseman or not.
Now, on to my targets(incidentally, I am a mandatory Vig): Night 3, I had no real leads and decided to go after a lurker. I targeted Smurf. Night 4, upon re-read I became very suspicious of BLaM, and it looked as though there was a lot of information to be gained from his death, so I targeted BLaM.
Like I said, I don't have quite as much information as you'd think. The events of Night 3 seem to indicate that blockey might actually be telling the truth about what happened. The only way I can see there being two other kills that Night is if mole died because he targeted tdpats that Night. The only other alternative that explains the deaths is if my attack got re-directed somehow.
If blockey is being honest about Night 4, then my attack must have been blocked somehow, which lends a lot of credence to what NAF is saying. I was reluctant to claim before blockey clarified because the dawn colour seemed to indicate that BLaM has some kind of tough guy role, so I couldn't be sure whether NAF had anything to do with the attack failing. If blockey is telling the truth, though, then I couldn't have attacked BLaM last Night.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 24, 2008 18:03:38 GMT -5
Well looks like my reason to lynch Blockey today just evaporated. Unless this is a very ballsy scum move, looks like we have confirmation that there are Horseman in the game. And also looks like I have to thank you Blockey for me still being alive. So Unvote Blockey Sorry Atarus two vote changes in as many posts
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Post by Gir! on Jun 24, 2008 18:08:02 GMT -5
I know you're probably about ready to kill people for asking this over and over, but the exact nature of the power you have claimed is still confusing me. You target two players: let's call them DIOMEDES and IDLE THOUGHTS. Which of the following is true: 1. Any action that targets IDLE instead targets DIO, and vice versa? Gah page change and me trying to be fast, that one's the right one, except I'm not sure what happens if a horseman targets. I'm pretty sure they're even indirectly immune, so if a horseman targets someone I've targeted and their action is active, it'll probably just go past my passive action. I doubt atarus would explain this, and certainly wouldn't do so in public, but it seems semi-unlikely enough anyway. Well, I doubt he would modkill you or anything for asking. Why not give it a shot? Send him a PM.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 24, 2008 18:20:26 GMT -5
Just trying to set things straight in my mind.
Last Night Blockey targets Blam & NAF with his Bus driver powers. Which means any night actions directed at NAF hit Blam, and any at Blam hit NAF.
Rysto has claimed he attempted to Vig Blam last night, which should mean NAF was killed. However NAF used a role-blocking one shot power on Rysto last night. And since NAF isn't dead looks like the role-block trumps the vig power.
That sound right - have I missed anything there?
To me, this whole merry-go-round of actions is semi-confirmed by the fact we only got one 'external' kill last night.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 18:28:26 GMT -5
That sounds correct to me.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 24, 2008 18:45:27 GMT -5
OK. All good.
Blockey can/will you share who you targeted Nights 1 & 2?
What I'm getting at and would like to know, is were any of the people killed on those nights one of your targets?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 24, 2008 19:22:16 GMT -5
Night 2 I targeted Roosh and story teller as I've said before
I might as well say this.. You haven't killed me yet. Before people jump down my throat, remember I'm pfk, and especially at the start of the game I didn't want the town to magically hit a demon killing rampage. At the beginning of the game my game plan was to, in order to avoid perfect information syndrome, play the day as if I were vanilla town, ie as if I had no knowledge of my own night actions. I say this so you understand that my case against FCOD was one I would have made had I been vanilla town.
at,Night one I targeted Hal and Kat.
Since Ryjae admitted to attempting to kill Kidv, that means most likely Kat is town, unless there's an unknown vig (Am I correct, Rysto, in assuming you couldn't nk until ryjae died?), then the kill that hit Hal and was targeted at Kat was the mafia nk.
I didn't really feel comfortable enough in my being able to survive admitting this until now.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 24, 2008 19:32:22 GMT -5
Am I correct, Rysto, in assuming you couldn't nk until ryjae died? That is correct. If this is true, this is extremely valuable information - it confirms Kat as a non-Demon.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 24, 2008 19:54:43 GMT -5
Ah. I had wondered why I lived through Night One.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 24, 2008 20:01:34 GMT -5
Thanks for that BlockeyAs Rysto has pointed out, my reason for asking was the possibility of confirming a townie. Which all else being equal looks like Kat was the night 1 demon target, which all but confirms her as town as far as I'm concerned. Just to "show my working" as it were. I contend that there are only 2 nightkillers in the game - the scum and the vigilante+(backup). Night 1 - two kills - self confessed Vig for one ( Kidv) & presume demons for the 2nd ( Kat -> Hal). Night 2 - two kills - presuming Ryjae didn't top himself , I would presume Ryjae targeted Rebel, and the demons targeted Ryjae. Night 3 - All night actions directed to TD, so both demon and Vig kills hit TD. Mole dies also because of his (probably redirected)pansy power. Night 4 - Rysto was role-blocked so presume the demons killed buff, while Darth died as a result of running out of time with his possessing demon. The only slight prickle in the nice neat flow above is Ryjae. Who intimated that he wasn't certain his target each night would be killed. And said during Day 2 he wouldn't be trotting that power out again. So why Rebel then? Little white lie about not killing again to keep from a full reveal of him being a Vig?
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Post by Rysto on Jun 24, 2008 20:07:16 GMT -5
Thanks for that BlockeyAs Rysto has pointed out, my reason for asking was the possibility of confirming a townie. Which all else being equal looks like Kat was the night 1 demon target, which all but confirms her as town as far as I'm concerned. You know, Smurf, I find it very interesting that you thought to ask this. I have to wonder if perhaps you already knew that the Demons' kill had gotten re-directed.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 24, 2008 20:22:22 GMT -5
Question for Hockey Monkey re: this post from Day Four: So you didn't even suspect that story was the zombie maker, considering that he'd said: And also that he was "shocked, shocked, to see zombies wandering around this Town".
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 24, 2008 20:26:02 GMT -5
But to know that I would have to be a, ... oh no, a demon right? Nope, I had no idea. Much as I might like to claim some brilliant insight for my question, it was actually Blockey himself that twigged me to ask the question. From Blockey in post #132 So, 'ah ha' thought I, we know Ryjae targeted Kidv so presumably the scum targeted Hal. But what if Blockey had targeted Hal on night 1? A long shot maybe, but no harm in asking right? Well no harm apart from getting a hairy eyeball apparently.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 24, 2008 20:28:33 GMT -5
Smurf, I missed that. Hairy eyeball withdrawn.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 24, 2008 20:35:23 GMT -5
Hmm. That link doesn't appear to be working right, it just takes you to the Day Four OP. This link should take you to page 3 of Day Four, and hockey's is the 2nd post on that page.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 24, 2008 20:35:48 GMT -5
Question for Hockey Monkey re: this post from Day Four: So you didn't even suspect that story was the zombie maker, considering that he'd said: And also that he was "shocked, shocked, to see zombies wandering around this Town". Nope, not expecting zombies at all. I didn't even see that post till just now. (No more multiple games for me.)
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Post by Rysto on Jun 24, 2008 20:45:22 GMT -5
Nope, not expecting zombies at all. I didn't even see that post till just now. So, when storyteller said that something is probably going to happen at dusk and it's going to seem really bad to most of you, but please trust me and protect me, and then at dusk a zombie rose from the dead, you never connected the two? Seriously? You just said, oh, well, story asked for protection, story gets protection?
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