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Day Six
Jul 1, 2008 15:07:30 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 1, 2008 15:07:30 GMT -5
I see that Rysto has gone and done, in far greater depth, what I started to do just before fatigue mugged me last night. So I'm going to use the data he collected in post D6.21 to hang my analysis on, rather than reinvent the wheel.
First of all, remember that Day 1 dawned very soon after the Pms were sent out. Consequently, I believe that on Day 1, the Corporeals were operating without benefit of a Night 0 discussion. If they didn't discuss things beforehand, their natural tendency might have been to obey BlaM's Pseudo-Random Hypothesis (PRH).
They'll avoid associating with each other on Day 1.
Once they'd talked, they're less likely to have this problem because they know each other's opinions. But on Day 1, they may well have been spread evenly among the voters.
Exactly where the Corporeals might be in the vote chart depends on ho many there are remaining undetected. At this point, I'd guess 2 is the most likely remaining number, with 1 a possibility.
In that case, I suggest, attention should be focussed on (i) the four unknowns who voted for Hockeyguy8435, (ii) Czech/Pedescribe, and (iii) Survivor Smurf. Now, that is three options when I said I felt there were most likely two. That doesn't mean we should blind ourselves to the possibility that Pedescribe is not actually a Demon. Or that (just possibly) the four unknown voters for Hockeyguy were in fact all Survivor (except for Misterblockey).
The four unknowns voting for Hockeyguy were Kat, misterblockey, Roosh and myself. Quite obviously, I'm not going to investigate myself – I'm biased. I'm going to claim Survivordom. Whether any of the rest of you take my word for it is up to you. Nevertheless, I am a Survivor, and am going to exclude myself from further consideration because I know that.
Of the remaining three, we have an outstanding unverified claim, one that seems to be tentatively accepted, that Misterblockey is Playing for Keeps. If we accept that for a while, there would only be two possible candidates, Kat! and Roosh.
Kat has been carried this far on the strength of her making the case that started the Hockeyguy lynch. Kat has 9we know) seen this from the other side, as she was of the Werewolf Mafia in M2, surviving to the end to seal the Town's fate. Would she do this to a new player? She might. We can't quite rule her out. But if it were me, I wouldn't have done so without talking to that player beforehand – and, remember, the Corporeals had no chance to talk before the Day started. Consequently, if I had to pick one from the unknown 4, it would be Roosh.
It's at this point that I remember Storyteller pointing out some similarities between Roosh's claim in this game and his “I've been Bombed” line as a Replicant. At the time, I went “oh yeah, so it is.” And we now know, whatever the accuracy of the pointer, it was an honest observation. This really makes me inclined to vote Roosh.
The behaviour of Czech, looking back at it in hindsight, is reminiscent of the way TDPats faded from view in Arkham Knights; and TDP, remember, had a Do-Gooder role. A new player, in a complex game, unsure of what to do? He might fade (and opt to drop out) whichever side he is on. My hunch says he's an Evil Entity but that fits a vanilla Survivor as well.
I have no feeling either way on Survivor Smurf right now, which is, I guess, a good enough reason to go back over his posts.
I'm not going to vote now. If I were to, I'd go for Roosh over pedescribe over SS. Back later Today.
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Day Six
Jul 1, 2008 15:46:43 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jul 1, 2008 15:46:43 GMT -5
NAF's death gave us a reprieve, but I have to think we are still losing. We lost all our talkative people and popular subjects, and the town has gone silent.
I think there is a tendency here for everyone to try to win this game on there own. I share in this tendency. I was not thrilled to be a mason, because it is difficult for a mason to be in a game winning position. I want to make the brilliant move that everyone talks about, but that isn't how town wins. An individual scum can win on his own as can PFKs, but town must work together to succeed.
On that note, I think town members should be transparent with information as they can at this point. Sure it may hinder your powers a bit, it may make you more of a target, but the most important point is it will help us identify scum. If we pressed Hockey more on her protections, we might have been able to figure out she was scum earlier (not that it would have accomplished much).
Information is our gold. So I'm asking all town members to reveal whatever they can, or expressly state that they won't reveal. I'm not going to argue this point individually. You have more information than I do in regards to what the trade offs are. I'm just going to ask that you strongly consider giving town whatever info you can.
Next an analysis of current players.
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Day Six
Jul 1, 2008 17:25:36 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 1, 2008 17:25:36 GMT -5
I'm not getting any hate for the mass claim, and seeing as how my claim will bring very little to the table I will go ahead and let everyone know I am a simple vanilla town (with the tiniest of slight twists) I am a survivor who was given a medallion of St Jude. (The saint of lost causes you know ) The medallion gives me a one off chance of avoiding being night killed. I don't know what the probability of the medallion working is, but it was clearly spelled out as being less than 100%. And if it works it goes poof. It's a one shot. But otherwise a vanilla town.
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Post by RoOsh on Jul 2, 2008 1:07:57 GMT -5
It's at this point that I remember Storyteller pointing out some similarities between Roosh's claim in this game and his “I've been Bombed” line as a Replicant. At the time, I went “oh yeah, so it is.” And we now know, whatever the accuracy of the pointer, it was an honest observation. This really makes me inclined to vote Roosh. I'm kinda curious to hear more about this one, as I didn't really see the connection between that role and this one. The "i've been bombed line" was a reflection of the situation and the role I had in that game (which was a Scum that basically HAD to die at some point, and the fact that i had been mined with a Device early on in the game). How that's similar to this one, I'm not really sure though, so please do enlighten me.
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Post by RoOsh on Jul 2, 2008 1:15:27 GMT -5
Information is our gold. So I'm asking all town members to reveal whatever they can, or expressly state that they won't reveal. I'm not going to argue this point individually. You have more information than I do in regards to what the trade offs are. I'm just going to ask that you strongly consider giving town whatever info you can. With that sentiment, I suppose I don't mind revealing Last Nights's clues then for me: Paraphrased: 1. I am "a survivor". (This one was kinda curious, as the " " section is word for word what I got, and I asked Atarus about it. It's kosher to use two words, especially since one's an article. But yeah, it's a survivor, and survivor isn't capitalized. Makes me think of the ROLE vs. the Win Conditions of another similarly named Role... Not really sure about which it is though, but still.) 2. I am a Jester (basically in win condition- ie: lynching me=good for me). I'm inclined not to trust this one. Especially based on my past Clues and all, I think I'm more likely to be of a similar win condition as the rest of you guys, but hey, it's out there I guess). 3. I am the Walrus. (That's the WIFOM clue- I know that one for a fact. Well, it's not WIFOM, but that's neither here nor there. Needless to say, I learned what I should do with my role at night basically. Which is to say- If I target NO ONE, I can reduce the WIFOM statement to an absurd one, and then just have to deal with 1 truth, 1 lie. Which is quite nice (this is what I was curious about in the previous Days, and it's also why the 'Cake is a Lie' is also the WIFOM one in the past. My role apparently works best if I just to shut up and wait for the clues rather than go out targeting people to add to my WIFOM.). Anyways, that's about all I've got in my bag of stuff, so that's all my information. Hope others have more useful things than that to go on though. (I will be away tommorrow travelling, and I should be online though on Thursday, but still- my connection will be spotty).
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 10:17:00 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jul 2, 2008 10:17:00 GMT -5
Kat, Mhaye, and Pede:
Care to claim or specifically state that you aren't claiming?
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 15:10:59 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 2, 2008 15:10:59 GMT -5
It's at this point that I remember Storyteller pointing out some similarities between Roosh's claim in this game and his “I've been Bombed” line as a Replicant. At the time, I went “oh yeah, so it is.” And we now know, whatever the accuracy of the pointer, it was an honest observation. This really makes me inclined to vote Roosh. I'm kinda curious to hear more about this one, as I didn't really see the connection between that role and this one. The "i've been bombed line" was a reflection of the situation and the role I had in that game (which was a Scum that basically HAD to die at some point, and the fact that i had been mined with a Device early on in the game). How that's similar to this one, I'm not really sure though, so please do enlighten me. Storyteller's assertion was that your claim in Blade Runner had some elements in common; to whit that there were parts of your role that you were uncertain of, and that you were in some sort of danger. The exact details of that danger is irrelevant; the underlying mechanism is the same. You're trying to obfuscate the issue by referring back to the details. That just makes me more suspicious.
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 15:40:43 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jul 2, 2008 15:40:43 GMT -5
Now, don't everyone talk at once.
In rough order from least suspicious to most.
Kat
Kat scares me in that if she is scum, we are absolutely screwed. Everyone likes to talk about how Story singlehandly won Mafia II, but Kat was right there with him. Could she have taken out a fellow scum day 1 just to build up townie cred? Could Hockey have thrown her name out there to do the same? I won't vote for Kat because I don't think she would develop this strategy all on her own day one, nor do I think she would have gone after a newbie if she did, but it worries me just the same.
Roosh
Again, there are scenarios where he has played this game really well, perhaps he is scum who comes up as town when investigated, but his story makes sense. I'll willing to consider him likely to be a "survivor" or a jester. Either way there is no reason to lynch him.
Nanook
It is unlikely that we have no doctor type players. I'm going to accept his claim in lieu of a counterclaim.
Rysto
I need to look closer at his claim and would find a list of who he has targeted each day helpful. He is probably a killer, but not necessarily a member of the town. Still we have a claimed PFK, so there isn't much reason to lynch a possible PFK.
Pede
His initial posts struck me as overeager town. Nice if he would show up though.
Survivor Smurf
His claim seems believable, and fits this game, so I lowered him a bit on my list. Still his earlier defense to my suspicion makes me weary. The argument basically was I always do "X", and people always find it suspicious, therefore doing "X" is not suspicious. In this case X was being wishy washy. What it does it lets you do "X" with immunity, and not worry about "X" being suspicious. Hockey did something similar, defending herself by saying people always think she is suspicious.
Mhaye
Mhaye is playing exactly like he did when he was scum. Of course he is playing the same way as when he was town too. I know that we shouldn't lynch someone purely because he is an unknown, but just hoping the unknown is town is a huge risk. I would like to see some evidence that Mhaye is pro-town.
MisterBlockey
He is not on the side of town, which makes him an enemy. It really is as simple as that. He would argue that we have a mutual enemy in scum, which is true, but not relevant. Scum and Town have a mutual enemy of PFKs as well. In theory what we, as town, need to do is team up with the weaker party to out the stronger one. If individuals are the strongest enemy, then they are the biggest concern of ours, not scum. I'd like to emphasize this point. There is nothing about traditional scum that makes them more of an enemy than PFKS. Whoever has the best current shot at winning is who we need to take out.
In practice we know a PFK, but we don't know any scum identities. That knowledge, and the fact that we haven't killed any PFKs this game is enough for me to
vote Misterblockey
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 15:57:43 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 2, 2008 15:57:43 GMT -5
Hawkeyeop.
It's a bit difficult to prove that I'm Survivor-orientated when I can point to no single thing that's occurred and say "I did that," because there's no such action. Sorry.
Your vote does raise the question of whether we should use the breathing space bought by the no-Survivor-death last Night to eliminate the growing threat of the self-confessed PFK. It's something I want to consider before voting.
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 16:06:29 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jul 2, 2008 16:06:29 GMT -5
Night 3: Smurf (according to blockey redirected to tdpats) Night 4: BLaM (allegedly blocked by NAF) Night 5: Roosh (according to blockey redirected to NAF)
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 16:35:14 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 2, 2008 16:35:14 GMT -5
A reread of Czech's posts suggests that he was taken out by a surge of RL problems. That shifts my reading of him from "new player overwhelmed by complexity," to "new player struggling with the complexity who had problems land on his desk."
pedescribe, of course, failed to make the posting minimum for Day 5. (He did not post at all.) If he fails to make the minimum Today he should get the axe. That won't help his side at all.
Our options to deal with this are (a) let it happen and hope he's scum, or (b) vote for him and minimise the structural damage to the game.
Personally, I've always favoured the "let it happen" approach, especially since I still think there is a good possibility that pedescribe was some form of Evil Entity.
We've got about 30 hours - maybe a bit more - before Nightfall. Time enough for a bit more reading.
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 17:49:04 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jul 2, 2008 17:49:04 GMT -5
I'm not getting any hate for the mass claim, and seeing as how my claim will bring very little to the table I will go ahead and let everyone know I am a simple vanilla town (with the tiniest of slight twists) I am a survivor who was given a medallion of St Jude. (The saint of lost causes you know ) The medallion gives me a one off chance of avoiding being night killed. I don't know what the probability of the medallion working is, but it was clearly spelled out as being less than 100%. And if it works it goes poof. It's a one shot. Really. I find this very interesting. I have questions. 1) Should this power activate and save you from a Night-Kill, are you informed that it activated? 2) If so, has it activated? 3) If it activates, are you told anything about your attacker?
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 17:59:26 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jul 2, 2008 17:59:26 GMT -5
Kat, Mhaye, and Pede:Care to claim or specifically state that you aren't claiming? I'll claim, but it probably won't help much. I'm just a vanilla Townie Survivor person.
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 18:15:40 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Jul 2, 2008 18:15:40 GMT -5
Hawkeyeop. It's a bit difficult to prove that I'm Survivor-orientated when I can point to no single thing that's occurred and say "I did that," because there's no such action. Sorry. Wouldn't it be great if you could though? Will you claim or state you won't claim?
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 20:45:48 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 2, 2008 20:45:48 GMT -5
Really. I find this very interesting. I have questions. 1) Should this power activate and save you from a Night-Kill, are you informed that it activated? 2) If so, has it activated? 3) If it activates, are you told anything about your attacker? 1) I don't believe so. Atarus was less than forthcoming with a full and frank explanation for me. But I was definitely left with the impression that no I wouldn't be specifically informed that the medallion had saved me. 2) See above, No idea. You can feel free not to test it out though Rysto. 3) My role PM didn't suggest any other powers of the medallion apart from a chance of avoiding a night kill. I didn't think to ask about the possibility. But I would presume that the answer to your question is a no. (I will however ask Atarus in the vain attempt that he might enlighten me further)
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Day Six
Jul 2, 2008 22:29:44 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 2, 2008 22:29:44 GMT -5
My role actually has close to no chance to win, but I can't prove that, so I suppose it doesn't matter that I say it.
There's also at least one other horseman out there, and I have no idea whether or not they're much closer to a victory.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2008 1:52:38 GMT -5
Hawkeyeop. It's a bit difficult to prove that I'm Survivor-orientated when I can point to no single thing that's occurred and say "I did that," because there's no such action. Sorry. Wouldn't it be great if you could though? Yes, yes it would. But I can't. Will you claim or state you won't claim? There can't be any harm in claiming. I'm a vanilla Survivor.
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Post by Rysto on Jul 3, 2008 9:10:39 GMT -5
Really. I find this very interesting. I have questions. 1) Should this power activate and save you from a Night-Kill, are you informed that it activated? 2) If so, has it activated? 3) If it activates, are you told anything about your attacker? 1) I don't believe so. Atarus was less than forthcoming with a full and frank explanation for me. But I was definitely left with the impression that no I wouldn't be specifically informed that the medallion had saved me. 2) See above, No idea. You can feel free not to test it out though Rysto. 3) My role PM didn't suggest any other powers of the medallion apart from a chance of avoiding a night kill. I didn't think to ask about the possibility. But I would presume that the answer to your question is a no. (I will however ask Atarus in the vain attempt that he might enlighten me further) Really. So, you have no idea whether your supposed medallion has activated. In particular, you have no idea whether your medallion activated last Night, and you failed to take that into account just toDay when you said this: Quiet in here. Here I was hopping on this morning hoping to have some discussion to join in with. So, to sum up. Our Vig Rysto targeted Roosh but thanks to our resident Bus driving horseman redirected to NAF, who turned out to be a demon. ;D No scum kill occurred, and Nanook did not protect anyone, so either A) we have a so far unclaimed town roleblocker, in which case I think it is time to claim and tell us who you blocked last night - because that person is a demon, and makes for an easy lynch decision today, or B) the scum targeted Roosh, and redirected to NAF. If there is no roleblocker claim forthcoming, Roosh is all but confirmed as town then. As he was seemingly targeted by the demons last night, and he can't be a horseman, as according to Blockey his power doesn't work on other horsemen. I'll be back when I can today to place a vote. So why, exactly, did you not take your medallion into account when you concluded that Roosh must be Town? I can think of two reasons. Either you just made up that roleclaim, or you are a Demon with a Night-kill resistance who knows damn well that the Demons didn't target you last Night. Vote Smurf
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Post by Nanook on Jul 3, 2008 9:21:46 GMT -5
Well that is certainly an interesting point Rysto. A limited or full NK immune demon doesn't strike me as too unlikely considering the other roles and powers we've seen, doubly so when you consider there was one of the most power town roles possible in the game(Ryjae's cop/vig). It would serve as a good counter to that ability. I'll hold off voting for now to see Smurf's reaction, but right now that seems pretty solid to me.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 12:45:32 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jul 3, 2008 12:45:32 GMT -5
Vote Count
pedescribe (1): Survivor Smurf misterblockey (1): hawkeyeop Survivor Smurf (1): Rysto
Not Voting: 6
Approximately 10 hours left in the Day, sports fans.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 13:10:35 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2008 13:10:35 GMT -5
That's an interesting discrepancy Rysto has uncovered. Our Smurfly friend was third on my lynch list. Since I'm now not likely to vote for the second on the list, because I can see a modkill at Nightfall, SS is higher on my scrutiny list.
After I've read Roosh's posts. Good thing I've got all night in front of me.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 16:52:47 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jul 3, 2008 16:52:47 GMT -5
Does your role have a rolename, Smurf?
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 17:07:02 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 3, 2008 17:07:02 GMT -5
Does your role have a rolename, Smurf? Nope. I was given no special role name. My role is a Survivor, I was informed in the body of the PM that I had a special medallion. If anyone is interested, I heard back from Atarus, and No I will not get any information about my attacker if I survive a night kill. As I presumed having that would have made me a power role, and not just a Survivor with a one shot magic item. As to you Rysto, I can see how you think that is an inconsistency, but, the answer is far more obvious and far less insidous than you seem to think. That is that yes I failed to take into account that the scum may have targeted me, and that my medallion worked. Sorry to say but having the medallion has been far less than at the forefront of my mind while playing the game. So I overlooked what you might deem the obvious.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 17:46:51 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2008 17:46:51 GMT -5
Less than six hours to go, and I'm completely stuck.
I read over Roosh's posts, looking mainly at the tone and for any contradictions between early statements and late posts. And, of course, looking at his little clues.
I spent a lot of time on that before getting distracted - first by the end of Cecilvania and then by the necessity of watching Dr. Who Confidential before this week's gets withdrawn. (Not as interesting as the previous weeks).
I didn't find any evidence to hang a guilty verdict on.
I focussed on the three daily clues because they're the centrepiece of Roosh's claim. I have to say that I didn't get the feeling he'd made them up himself. He'd said before that he's a wordy type, not a number or logical thinking type, so I'd have expected to find silly inconsistencies if someone without any training in logic had tried to make that sort of stuff up. I didn't find that.
So Roosh is, I think, probably a Survivor. I think I'm going to have to look very carefully at Kat.
In the interim, who to vote for?
My gut says lynch the known non-Survivor while we can. On the other hand, since it's current performance is so poor (ref Days 3 and 4) I don't trust it.
So I will think just a little longer before going blue.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 18:58:35 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 3, 2008 18:58:35 GMT -5
May I remind you that you are no further from lylo killing me than you are killing a townie.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 19:08:38 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2008 19:08:38 GMT -5
May I remind you that you are no further from lylo killing me than you are killing a townie. That seems to me to be an argument in favour of lynching you. You're saying "The Survivors are no worse off killing me than killing another Survivor." Just suppose that the situation is now 5 Survivors, 3 Evil Entities and you. If we kill a Survivor, after the Nightkill goes in we can't win unless you redirect the kill onto a Demon. Again. It's one of the perennial lessons of sport that it's better to be in control of your own destiny - that is, if you can make your goal (win hthe league, avoid relegation, whatever it may be) by winning your games, rather than having to depend on your opponents losing theirs. That's really saying "Lynch me now." I'm not sure what the situation is, but there are gamestates where we should lynch you now, or we lose the game to you later.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 19:45:10 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 3, 2008 19:45:10 GMT -5
I can't win unless both you and the demons tie
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Jul 3, 2008 19:45:53 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2008 19:45:53 GMT -5
I'm still uneasy about who to vote for, so I'm going to change tack slightly.
Firstly, here is a list of surviving players.
pedescribe hawkeyeop Kat! Merestil Haye misterblockey Nanook Roosh Rysto Survivor Smurf
Who shall I not vote for, and why?
Firstly eliminate myself, because I am a Survivor, albeit a bland one.
In general, I accept Misterblockey's claim because it makes sense of Night Three. I can't see the percentage in a Demon claiming to be a PFK that the town has to lynch, or lose to; hence I tend to accept he is what he says. I don't eliminate him as a lynch candidate though. There is a strong temptation in such cases to accept Kat as a Survivor based on his testimony of his Night 1 actions, but we mustn't do so. Consider; we know that MrB would have redirected an attack on Kat to Hal, but we don't know that Kat was attacked. The actual Night 1 result would be the same whether Kat was attacked, or Hal was.
Consequently, MrB's testimony does not disqualify Kat from being a Demon. What it does do, though, is let me put her on the back burner for Today.
Hawkeyeop and Rysto have claims that I want to examine Tomorrow. Additionally, my suspicion of Roosh has dropped to near non-existence after rereading his posts. So we're down to the following.
pedescribe misterblockey Nanook Survivor Smurf
I know Nanook has claimed – but I can't help but have a nagging doubt about him. You see – he's claimed that he didn't use his power one night. That seems to have flown under the radar a bit; a claimed Doctor asserts that he did not use his protective power on at least one Night. However, it's a bit late Today to investigate him.
MrB, of course, is Playing for Keeps, and does need to be lynched.
That leaves two players; Survivor Smurf and pedescribe, that I don't have much feeling about, except for one nagging worry; and if that is right, I'm not going to lynch pedescribe. Not that that makes much difference, as he hasn't posted since Night 4. Only a BlaM-like posting burst can save him now.
I choose to gamble on finding the Demon tonight. I don't think this will cost us the game down the line. But then, it's nearly 2am here so my facilities are a little impaired.
Vote Survivor Smurf.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 19:47:42 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 3, 2008 19:47:42 GMT -5
in other words I have to be in the last three, and there has to be a demon and a townie left. If there are horsemen left they also have to die for me to win.
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Day Six
Jul 3, 2008 19:50:56 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 3, 2008 19:50:56 GMT -5
in other words I have to be in the last three, and there has to be a demon and a townie left. If there are horsemen left they also have to die for me to win. (Emphasis mine). That bit's new, to me at least.
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