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Post by Pollux Oil on Jul 6, 2008 20:53:11 GMT -5
Roosh was wandering aimlessly through the streets, muttering to himself. The talkative "milkman" had gotten quieter and quieter as the days had progressed in Last Bastion. From far away, it would have seemed that Roosh was talking to himself, perhaps trying to figure out his identity. But if somebody got close enough, they would hear what he was actually saying...
"...so now that that's out of the way, I'm going to have to come up with a cunning plan. I'm not sure they'll buy the milk thing anymore since I stopped delivering..." Roosh snapped his fingers. "Wombats! I'm a wombat-maker! I can create a wombat every night that will help the town...yeah, they'll believe that..."
"I knew you were a phony."
Roosh turned quickly and stared down the speaker. "What? What are you talking about? I just...can't remember anything. Except wombats. It just came to me, I swear." He nervously wrung his hands and hoped that the other person didn't notice he was sweating.
The other figure smiled and showed Roosh what he was holding in his hands.
Roosh moaned. "But I'm a fricking..."
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The next morning, only five people awoke. The five final survivors of Last Bastion first congregated around Roosh's body. He lay face-up in the middle of the street, black eyes staring blankly into the sky. His chest had been caved in by a golf club, which was sticking straight up out of his body. The town smiled, seeing the familiar signs of a demon body decomposing.
But the five frowned when they found the other of their number that was missing. Nanook's body was found in about fourteen different pieces, scattered about the church that was in Last Bastion. In addition to his flesh and blood, white feathers were scattered about the pews. It was determined very quickly that, while Nanook had not been human, he had come from the opposite place that the demons had come from.
After burying Nanook's body parts, the remaining five survivors looked around for any signs that Roosh had been the last evil in the town. Unfortunately, nothing else had changed.
Another new day had begun.
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Roosh, a Demon Knight, isn't fooling anybody anymore.
Nanook, a Fallen Angel (Doctor), was sent back upstairs.
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Day Seven begins now. Day Seven will end Thursday at 8 PM EST.
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Post by Rysto on Jul 6, 2008 21:17:09 GMT -5
Vote SmurfFirst of all, there's the major inconsistency I pointed out yesterDay. Secondly, there's this post from all the way back in Day One, in which he says that a "survivor" role would be an appropriate PFK-role for this game, apparently missing the fact that his own role name is "Survivor"Thirdly, Smurf has always believed that I'm either a Vig or a Serial Killer. Despite the fact that he has scrutinized my claim the closest of all of you, he has never considered the possibility that I could be a Demon. Now, obviously I do have a killing role -- Roosh was my target last Night. But before last Night, I had never demonstrated the fact that I had a killing Role: Night 3 there were two deaths, but molefan's death is explained by the fact that as a Hider, he would die if his target died. Night 4 there was only one kill. Night 5 there was only one kill. Honestly, after three consecutive Nights with apparently only one kill, wouldn't you start to question a claim of mandatory Vig? Smurf didn't, despite being looking at my claim several times over the Days. Why has he not considered that I might not have a killing role? Because as a Demon, he knows that it's exceedingly unlikely that I've lied about having a killing role, and so he's dismissed the thought out of hand. Perfect Information Syndrome.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 6, 2008 21:26:41 GMT -5
Looks like Story was right about Roosh and his over the top claims. That boy certainly has a gift of the gab, and a hell of an imagination.
So presuming the demons didn't off one of their own, means they got their hooks into Nanook, and Rysto accounted for Roosh. Good call there Rysto.
And so the game isn't over which means we have at least one demon and/or horseman left right?
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Post by Nanook on Jul 6, 2008 21:32:07 GMT -5
I was wondering how long it would take them to call my bluff. So be it. Go town!
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 6, 2008 22:09:57 GMT -5
Yep, I answered your accusations there and I'm happy with what I said. If anyone would like further clarification by all means ask away. Secondly, there's this post from all the way back in Day One, in which he says that a "survivor" role would be an appropriate PFK-role for this game, apparently missing the fact that his own role name is "Survivor" Nice deliberate misinterpretion there Rysto Read the post! I said given the setting (i.e. the colour) a survivor role would be appropiate, I think I was quite clearly referring to the generic mafia term of a "survivor". It would be a little hard to miss the fact that the name de jour for vanilla town this game is survivor. Which is why I said a Survivor role to clearly spell out I was referring to generic, and not this game specific. Thirdly, Smurf has always believed that I'm either a Vig or a Serial Killer. Despite the fact that he has scrutinized my claim the closest of all of you, he has never considered the possibility that I could be a Demon. Now, obviously I do have a killing role -- Roosh was my target last Night. But before last Night, I had never demonstrated the fact that I had a killing Role: Night 3 there were two deaths, but molefan's death is explained by the fact that as a Hider, he would die if his target died. Night 4 there was only one kill. Night 5 there was only one kill. Honestly, after three consecutive Nights with apparently only one kill, wouldn't you start to question a claim of mandatory Vig? Smurf didn't, despite being looking at my claim several times over the Days. Why has he not considered that I might not have a killing role? Because as a Demon, he knows that it's exceedingly unlikely that I've lied about having a killing role, and so he's dismissed the thought out of hand. Perfect Information Syndrome. Did I never entertain the possibility of you being a demon? Nope. Should I question a mandatory vig when no extra kills eventuate?Not when your very own post outlines why the kills came up as they did: Sorry I can't seem to make a link direct to the post work - but it was on Day 6 and is reproduced word for word above. A search of Rysto's post it is #5. So why would I have doubted your claim based on not enough kills? There was an explanation for each of those nights as to why your kills didn't go through. Night 3 was the Blockey, redirect everything to Tdpats night, We would only have expected 1 kill. Night 4 NAF claimed to have role-blocked you, While NAF was a demon, I don't think he lied about that, because it was the lynch pin in his roleclaim - look I have abilities and as proof I used this one. Night 5 Blockey strikes again. You claimed the kill. I had the assumption at the time based upon only a single kill that the demons had also targeted Roosh. But in hindsight, it would appear the demons didn't get anyone on Night 5. Unless they were trying to kill one of their own. Summary of the above is, there is absolutely no reason for me to doubt that you had a night kill ability based on those three nights you have mentioned.
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Post by Rysto on Jul 6, 2008 22:26:11 GMT -5
So why would I have doubted your claim based on not enough kills? There was an explanation for each of those nights as to why your kills didn't go through. Of course there were explanations, and as it turns out they were all true. But you shouldn't have know that. Frankly, your paranoia level is nowhere near high enough, and that makes me very suspicious. In particular: So basically, a known Demon claimed to have blocked me and I confirmed that fact. There is zero corroborating evidence for the block, but you just take it on faith that a Demon and an unknown were being truthful?
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 6, 2008 23:42:54 GMT -5
So why would I have doubted your claim based on not enough kills? There was an explanation for each of those nights as to why your kills didn't go through. Of course there were explanations, and as it turns out they were all true. But you shouldn't have know that. Frankly, your paranoia level is nowhere near high enough, and that makes me very suspicious. Sorry - I'm being hoisted for not being paranoid enough? Ha, that's a new one. What you are actually saying is that my paranoia levels concerning you were not high enough! I contend the opposite. I have been very paranoid about you, and still am. My paranoia however has been about you being a SK horseman, making the masquerade of a Vig, and if it blinkered me to the possibility you are demon with a claim made out of wholecloth, you are probably correct. However there was exactly zero evidence at any stage that would have pointed to your claim of having a night kill power as being false. In particular: So basically, a known Demon claimed to have blocked me and I confirmed that fact. There is zero corroborating evidence for the block, but you just take it on faith that a Demon and an unknown were being truthful? He wasn't a known demon at the time. In fact his claim seemed to have some cred to it. You can use 20/20 hindsight to throw mud at me all you want that I am believing the word of a known demon. But at the time I had the word of a claimed power role that he had blocked you. Yep - zero corrobating evidence you were blocked!, except for oh, hang on, the fact we had only a single kill that night With no other claimed reason for just the one kill. Using my hindsight, after it was revealed NAF was in fact a demon, I still think his roleblock claim was truthful. I think he went very close to skating along on the cred he got from having claimed he blocked you, and we were lucky Blockey did his bus driving trick. [Although we would have got a demon anyway since you targeted Roosh that night.]
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 7, 2008 7:41:26 GMT -5
So, five remain.
Four Demons have turned up dead, leaving us with 1 or 2 more hidden in our midst. If there are 2, I think we'll have to be lucky to pull a win out of the fire; it requires lynching one demon and a Nightkill of the other.
If there is only one Demon, we're not much better off. If we mislynch, the most likely result of Night 7 is two deaths, so if Rysto targets a Survivor at Night we'll lose.
(I'm assuming for this analysis that the Demon's win condition is that the number of Evil Entities have to equal or exceed the number of Survivors at Dawn or Dusk. Obviously if the Demon win condition is different this changes.)
I think therefore that we need to tread a little cautiously. In the worst case, one misplaced Survivor vote could result in a mislynch and game loss.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 7, 2008 8:16:31 GMT -5
Rysto
Nice job taking out Roosh. Why did you take out Roosh though? What about his claim didn't you buy?
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 7, 2008 8:29:47 GMT -5
This going to be very trickey. I think it is fair to assume there is at least one scum left. Likewise there is no reason not to believe MisterBlockey's claim that there is at least one other PFK left as well. So there are likely no more than 3 town members still alive. If we are down to two town members, the town's chances of winning are minimal, so I'm not going to worry too much about that scenario.
I'm town, which means one scum and one PFK among Mhaye, Rysto, Smurf, and Kat.
It is very unlikely that Kat is scum It is very unlikely the Rysto is scum
Any of the four could be a PFK.
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Post by Rysto on Jul 7, 2008 8:59:02 GMT -5
Nice job taking out Roosh. Why did you take out Roosh though? What about his claim didn't you buy? In the spoiler thread for Cecilvania, Roosh had this to say about BLaM: Roosh made no mention of this as he was after BLaM for his playstyle in this game, which made his votes for BLaM look incredibly opportunistic. That, combined with Smurf's dubious assertion that Roosh was confirmed Town was enough for me. I would have targeted Smurf but I was worried that he wasn't lying about his night-kill resistance.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 7, 2008 9:57:38 GMT -5
Nice job taking out Roosh. Why did you take out Roosh though? What about his claim didn't you buy? In the spoiler thread for Cecilvania, Roosh had this to say about BLaM: Roosh made no mention of this as he was after BLaM for his playstyle in this game, which made his votes for BLaM look incredibly opportunistic. That, combined with Smurf's dubious assertion that Roosh was confirmed Town was enough for me. I would have targeted Smurf but I was worried that he wasn't lying about his night-kill resistance. Sounds reasonable. I think you may very well be a PFK here, but that is a problem that can be dealt with tomorrow, if we can take out the last scum today. So I will spend the rest of this day determining between Smurf and Mhaye. Kat and Rysto: Do you have any opinions on Mhaye?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 7, 2008 10:36:53 GMT -5
I'd forgotten that there might be a second PFK. If there is we may have a problem; it depends on the win condition that player has.
If they win if they are alive when either Demons or Survivors reach their win condition (excluding the Survivor types) then we could lynch the Demon and lose. We may have to think about lynching the PFK and letting the Vig take out the Demon.
That being said, could anyone link me to MrB's claim of another Horseman? I vaguely remember it, but want to focus my attention on another player right now.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jul 7, 2008 11:32:06 GMT -5
His chest had been caved in by a golf club, which was sticking straight up out of his body. The town smiled, seeing the familiar signs of a demon body decomposing. <Snerk>....so, was the Cardnial Glick reference an intentional George Carlin homage?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 7, 2008 15:02:38 GMT -5
My current thoughts on the rest of you.
Hawkeyeop : Very probable Town. Grounds for asssessment : We know that there was a Mason group because Bufftabby who is dead was a Mason. Therefore at least one of the surviving players is also a Mason. If Hawk's claim is false, one of the rest of us is a Mason; but any real mason should have claimed by now.
Rysto : Probable Town. Grounds for assessment : Someone killed Roosh, and Demons would not do so, at least now MisterBlockey's role redirection ability has been removed from the reckoning. Thus there is a non-Demon killing role. Rysto could be a Serial Killer type, but then why would he have not been active the first two Nights?
Kat! : Not a Demon. Grounds for assessment : Day 1 activity, mainly. The case she made against Hockeyguy was coherent, and exposed a Demon to scrutiny. It's possible that she was a Demon thinking long-term, but not likely. She also had a vote on Roosh at the close of Day 2, but that was a first vote on Roosh, late in the day when the choice had polarised to either Stardragonman or TDPatriots. That, of course, says nothing about the possibility of her Playing for Keeps.
Survivor Smurf : Could be a Demon. Grounds for assessment : Simply the least unlikely candidate. Has claimed Vanilla with a twist; that he is resistant to Nightkills. Has remained in the background a bit, compared to the prolific posters who have turned up as Demonkind; Roosh and NAF1138. HockeyMonkey was a nice middle-of-the-road poster, while HockeyGuy was untried. He only played one Day.
So I make Survivor Smurf the most likely to be a Demon of the four of you. I'm not placing a vote right now, because I want to consider something else which occurred to me as I went out to buy my tea.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 7, 2008 15:10:42 GMT -5
Rysto : Probable Town. Grounds for assessment : Someone killed Roosh, and Demons would not do so, at least now MisterBlockey's role redirection ability has been removed from the reckoning. Thus there is a non-Demon killing role. Rysto could be a Serial Killer type, but then why would he have not been active the first two Nights? Rysto : Probable Town. Grounds for assessment : Someone killed Roosh, and Demons would not do so, at least now MisterBlockey's role redirection ability has been removed from the reckoning. Thus there is a non-Demon killing role. Rysto could be a Serial Killer type, but then why would he have not been active the first two Nights? Rysto could always be playing for keeps with a different win condition. Did Rysto ever explain why he was inactive the first two nights? If not Rysto would you care to?
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Post by Rysto on Jul 7, 2008 15:13:15 GMT -5
Rysto could always be playing for keeps with a different win condition. Did Rysto ever explain why he was inactive the first two nights? If not Rysto would you care to? Because I'm the backup Vig(Apprentice Demon Hunter). RyJae was the full Vig, and when he died I took over for him.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 7, 2008 15:50:14 GMT -5
This post is about gamestates. There are a number of possible ways in which the remaining players could be distributed between the factions. What the Survivors need to to lynch Today depends on what we think the gamestate is.
I'll list the possibilities in the format No. of Survivors / No. of Evil Entities / No. of PFK.
4 /1 We have to find one Evil Entity, and have two shots at it; Today's lynch and the Night killing round. The condemned should be either SSmurf, Kat! or myself. In this case, we will be at 3 / 1 with an Evil Entity and a Vig running around killing at Night. The Vig's choice of kill will decide the game.
3 / 2 We have the same two shots, but we have to find two Evil Entities. Mislynching Today means game over. If we lynch an Evil Entity then the game devolves to the same 3 / 1 scenario outlined above, assuming that Kat and SSmurf are the two Evil Entities. If Rysto is an Evil Entity then there's some weird stuff going on.
3 / 1 / 1 This is the possibility that keeps me from voting Survivor Smurf right now. In this case he would be the Evil Entity, and either Kat or Rysto would be the PFK. If we lynch Smurf, then its entirely possible the PFK would steal the win out from the three remaining Survivors noses. (I never did believe what Misterblockey said about his win condition. The fact that he made such a strange claim (that he can only win if he, a Evil Entity and a Survivor were the last three living) never rang true to me.) So in this case we'd need to lynch the PFK player. If that's Kat we're down to the 3 / 1 scenario described above; if it's Rysto then we have a three-handed Day Eight.
2 / 2 / 1 The game is over for the Survivors. The two of us just get to choose who wins.
Before I vote, I want to reread the posts of the other players, and I also have to put some time in on Conspiracy in the next day or so.
Back in a while. Time to let the game percolate for a bit
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Post by RoOsh on Jul 7, 2008 19:30:19 GMT -5
Whoo... Finally I'm dead.
I get back from vacation, and I finally have time for this game and this is what I come back to?
Ah well. See you in Hell, suckers!
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Post by Rysto on Jul 7, 2008 20:05:10 GMT -5
2 / 2 / 1 The game is over for the Survivors. The two of us just get to choose who wins. Actually, the Town could still pull out a win even if this is the state of things. If we lynch a Demon toDay, I kill the other Demon toNight and the Demon kills the PFK, the Town could still pull out a win.
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Post by Gir! on Jul 7, 2008 21:48:40 GMT -5
Kat and Rysto: Do you have any opinions on Mhaye? I just reread his posts back through the evening of June 30 (which was sometime in Day Six - I was trying to use the "View ___ most recent posts" thing, but I can only load about 20 before my browser goes screwy) and of the posts I was able to bring up, two things attract my attention: (1) The discussion starting with his post of July 3 at 8:08 PM, where he accused misterblockey of lying about the Kat/Hal redirection of Night One (I'm not even going to try linking, since the link function hates me, but the post is quoted below): mhaye's post: Even without going back and rereading the original posts, it was obvious to me just from the info that mhaye quoted what MrB was saying, and that, if MrB was lying, he was consistently following the same lie. I've already questioned mhaye on this, but I'd like to know if anyone other than mhaye was confused by it, and thought MrB was contradicting himself. (2) On July 3 at 7:45 PM, during Day Six, mhaye made the following statement in his discussion of suspicions (which ended with a vote for Smurf: mhaye, were there any posts/comments/etc. in particular of Roosh's that caused your suspicions to drop?
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 8, 2008 11:41:56 GMT -5
2 / 2 / 1 The game is over for the Survivors. The two of us just get to choose who wins. Actually, the Town could still pull out a win even if this is the state of things. If we lynch a Demon toDay, I kill the other Demon toNight and the Demon kills the PFK, the Town could still pull out a win. Alternatively, you could be a PFK and it still might work. We could lynch scum today, you could kill the other scum at night, and we could lynch you tomorrow. However, each of these possibilities require a non-town party to take a pro-town action, which isn't something we can plan for.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 8, 2008 16:49:16 GMT -5
(2) On July 3 at 7:45 PM, during Day Six, mhaye made the following statement in his discussion of suspicions (which ended with a vote for Smurf: mhaye, were there any posts/comments/etc. in particular of Roosh's that caused your suspicions to drop? I can't point to one specific post. I reread his entire corpus (it's not quite as bad as it sounds because a substantial number of that 200 posts were made in one of the sidegames. I also ignore Night posts unless substantive posting is allowed at Night.) I simply didn't see any inconsistencies between posts, or any silly errors of construction in the three daily statements that would confirm them as fake. Of course, I didn't get any substantive conclusions about Roosh's role either, and I probably should have flagged that up but I was somewhat fuzzed after the effort. I haven't exactly covered myself with glory this game, have I? That goes a long way towards explaining why I'm still alive.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 9, 2008 1:26:10 GMT -5
Apologies for not being active the last day or so, I have a first for me - Bursitis. Basically an infected and inflamed Elbow, and I think my bodies defence has been lowered, as within 12 hours I got hit with bad case of the flu I don't know whether this is a good thing that my thinking came to me while trying to doze in bed with a sky high fever or not, but here goes. This is going to be a pretty big dump post, depending upon how the flu goes as to how much I'll be on again before Dusk. With Mhaye's endgame options, I believe there is (at least) one demon and one horseman left. First - As to why I think there is at least one demon left - the game is still running. Blockey subtly changed his supposed win condition on the day he was in danger of being lynched, from having to be alive at the end to having to be alive and there being one demon and one survivor left. I think that was a last minue lie, not thought out all that well, which spills the beans on his true win condition, that if a horseman is alive when either the demons or survivors would otherwise have won, the horseman steals the win. (Providing all other horsemen are dead) So if all the demons were dead, the town would have our win condition, and the surviving horseman would have won already. What about two horsemen, and no demons left? Read on as to why I think there is only one horseman left. Blockey was playing pretty townie for much of the game, and apart from a couple of things (like his win condition) I have no reason to doubt a lot of what he was saying - specifically with regard to there being more than one horseman. Also Kison was a ' specialised' cop. What's the bet that meant he was a horseman investigator, seems a dud role if there is only one horseman in the game. I believe then that there is still at least one horseman in the game. And very likely only one! Blockey was a pretty powerful role, bus driving, plus a one shot redirect all power, and why not give him some powerful abilities - he is a freaking Horseman of the Apocalypse right? The portent of the end of the world. So what's the chance that given two horsemen in the game, one has some good powers and one has nothing? Not likely in my opinion. There is only one person left in the game now with any powers - Rysto. If Kat or Mhaye are horseman, they have been remarkably subtle about it, (or burst my theory - have no powers) because (apart from one exception*) I can spot exactly zero remarkable events that remain unexplained by a known or claimed power role. *For completeness, that one event was the information blackout on Night 3 - no one has claimed to being responsible for that. So either you believe a horseman had a sum total of a single one shot ability, or that extremely anti-town power was the demons at work. As to Rysto himself, he said it himself, I'm the only one that has continued to come back at look at his actions and claims. Everyone else seems to have let him skate along on the claim. Despite me not finding enough to actually stay with a vote on Rysto, he decides as we get closer to the end I'm the only one really suspicious of him, so for safeties sake, we'll actually turn around my attempt to build a case against him and try to use it to hoist me as a demon. Good tactical play actual. If a little OMGUS. So as to a vote, and back to the endgame, I see it as either a 3/1/1 or a 2/2/1 scenario. (survivor/demon/horseman) Scenario 3/1/1 - -If we lynch the demon, the horseman wins. Game Over -If we lynch the horseman it comes down to three handed mafia. - if we mislynch and lynch a townie, the outcome depends upon who the horseman and demon targets for nightkills. -If they kill each other - 2/0/0 great town wins, - if the Horseman gets the demon, 2/0/1 the horseman wins - if the demon gets the horseman 1/1/0 the demon wins Scenario 2/2/1 - We're in big trouble, Game Over - no matter who we lynch, it is a loss for the town. If we're in scenario two, there's no point, everything is futile now. I instead choose to believe we still have a shot at winning this game, so I am going to move forward on the basis that if we lynch the horseman toDay we take this game to a three handed game toMorrow. And I think it's fairly apparent that the Horseman is Rysto. VOTE RYSTO
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 9, 2008 1:29:41 GMT -5
Something esle that occured to me in my fever dream This is probably irrelevant at this point, and I'm sure Hawkeye would have said something if there was anything useful about it. But Bufftabby was a " psychic" mason, and I seem to recall you guys could talk offboard? Correct me if I'm wrong. Any chance you can share what the psychic abilities were about and if any useful information was forthcoming from Buff's power (if it was a power).
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Post by Rysto on Jul 9, 2008 9:41:00 GMT -5
I think that was a last minue lie, not thought out all that well, which spills the beans on his true win condition, that if a horseman is alive when either the demons or survivors would otherwise have won, the horseman steals the win. (Providing all other horsemen are dead) Well, our win condition says that we win when all "evil entities" are dead. Not all demons, but all "evil entities". So it doesn't make any sense that a Horseman could steal a win from the Town, when that Horseman being alive prevents a Town win. I'd say there's no chance he was a Horseman-only investigator, given that he got a guilty on NAF -- and his actions Day 3(I think it was 3) make me pretty certain that he did. Not only did he vote NAF, after NAF started attacking Hockey Kison was saying that " Hockey probably isn't our best lynch for today". Besides, if you're right about this, then atarus made a game with 2 horsemen and 5 or 6 demons, and no Cop role that could identify the Demons! Does this make any sense to anybody? Really? I was thinking that a bus driver is a pathetically weak power for an individual PFK. Not all powers are immediately apparent. We could, for example, have a mad bomber out there -- that would fit with Pestilence nicely. Although the hatted people in Batman knew that they were hatted, it isn't always the case that a mad bomber's victims know that they've been bombed/hatted/infected/whatever. Wow, this is the most dishonest argument I've ever encountered in a game of Mafia. I might remind you that you didn't "decide" that I had to be a serial killer until well after I caught you out in your lie about your supposed medallion and voted for you yesterDay. If anybody is engaging in a tactical OMGUS, it's you.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 9, 2008 10:31:19 GMT -5
Something esle that occured to me in my fever dream This is probably irrelevant at this point, and I'm sure Hawkeye would have said something if there was anything useful about it. But Bufftabby was a " psychic" mason, and I seem to recall you guys could talk offboard? Correct me if I'm wrong. Any chance you can share what the psychic abilities were about and if any useful information was forthcoming from Buff's power (if it was a power). We had a couple of powers that became worthless the moment Buff died, and weren't terribly useful before then. If anything happened to us at night, the other one could sense it, and would have gotten a pm stating so at the beginning of the next day. I never got a pm, and, to my knowledge, neither did Buff. We also could send one 25 word pm and one 25 word response to each other daily. Those would be sent to Atarus who would forward them on. Your conclusion on Rysto matches my current thoughts pretty closely. I'll add a couple more points too, but I want to finish a read through first.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 9, 2008 16:46:12 GMT -5
I've decided to vote at this point. However many Evil Entities and / or PFK players remain in the game, the person I think is most likely anti-Town is Survivor Smurf. So for now, he gets my vote.
Vote Survivor Smurf.
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Post by Gir! on Jul 9, 2008 22:56:03 GMT -5
Scenario 2/2/1 - We're in big trouble, Game Over - no matter who we lynch, it is a loss for the town. If we're in scenario two, there's no point, everything is futile now. Not necessarily. There is a chance (slim, but not none) that the Horseman and the Demon could target each other overnight is we get a Demon. Apparent how? If he is an SK-style Horseman, where were his kills the first couple Nights? Have you posted a theory on that issue that I missed?
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Post by Hawkmod on Jul 10, 2008 8:49:49 GMT -5
Done with my reread of the the four remaining players. Here is how I see think with a scale of relative confidence.
Kat= town
Smurf=Scum
Rysto=PFK
Mhaye=town
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