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Post by Captain Klutz on Aug 14, 2008 6:46:23 GMT -5
There are 2 vote-counts in that post, one for the end of the 12 hour countdown, which shows Roosh in the lead, and another including subsequent votes, which shows Duke in the lead. This is what NAF said in his clarifying post, Night 3.8: So Duke had the most votes, so it seems that all votes counted, even those after the countdown ended. Unless someone has a vote-boost ability. The voters for Duke after the 12 hour countdown expired were: bufftabby, kat, parzival, pedescribe, mr scummyboots, esq., drainbead, hockeymonkey, Hoopy. If there is a vote booster then it is one of those players.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Aug 14, 2008 7:12:12 GMT -5
I'm going to vote for Drain Bead. Some reasons have already been mentioned:
- The refusal to help start the countdown yesterDay
- The slowness at releasing the message on Day 2 (waiting until molefan was all but done anyway)
There is also another interesting thing from molefan's #1.677: he misgenderfies* the following people:
calls peeker "her" calls nanook "she" calls CIAS "she" calls Pleo "she" calls cookies "he" calls drainbead "he"
Now getting someone's gender wrong could be a simple mistake or a wrong guess. But that looks like it's deliberate, as he has played with many of these people before. For example he was a fellow mason with Cookies in Batman where they had their own discussion board, so it's beyond belief that he still doesn't know that Cookies is a she. So it looks like a deliberate attempt to distance himself from these players. I think there's a very good chance there is scum on that list and Drain Bead is the stand out candidate.
Vote Drain Bead
* I just made that word up now
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Post by Captain Klutz on Aug 14, 2008 7:15:32 GMT -5
RoOsH, can you kindly explain why it's pro town not to have a countdown started?!?!!? I can. Okay Roosh, will you please actually explain why it's pro town not to have a countdown started.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Aug 14, 2008 7:26:11 GMT -5
My first impression from the Day 3 no lynch was that Duke was a Scotsman. I mean, it says that the axe bounced off the back of Duke's neck (that's Duke's neck, not Roosh's neck).
I suppose it makes some sense for a scotsman to speak in a scottish accent. I can now see some justification for some apparent inconsistencies. I am now a lot less inclined to vote for the Duke.
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Post by Captain Klutz on Aug 14, 2008 7:52:36 GMT -5
In other news, I appear to have had a dream last night, addressed to me. In it...well, here's the contents : Now it could be that scum have the ability to create visions, but that seems a bit overpowered (and it makes all such visions worthless, as we could never trust them). Then again, if Pedescribe is scum then a mod supplied note telling everyone that he lied is virtually condemning him. I think it's more likely that it's from a cop like role that found some information (a bit like the page from the detective's notebook). Pedescribe, would you double check your role PM again?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 14, 2008 8:13:58 GMT -5
RoOsH, can you kindly explain why it's pro town not to have a countdown started?!?!!? I can. Ugh. RoOsH, will you kindly explain why it's pro town not to have a countdown started?!?!!?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 14, 2008 8:14:48 GMT -5
Mr. Scummyboots, esq. is still here... but he is just kinda baffled and has nothing to add at the moment.
--FCOD
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Post by The Real FCOD on Aug 14, 2008 8:16:24 GMT -5
And apparently someone has decided to have fun with the filters at Mr. Scummyboots, esq.'s expense.
Testing: Mr. Scummyb00ts, esq. Mr Scummyboots, esq. Mr. Scummyboots, esq
--FCOD
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 14, 2008 8:17:48 GMT -5
And apparently someone has decided to have fun with the filters at Mr. Scummyboots, esq.'s expense... Okay, sorry, but that's some good shit right there.
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Post by The Lion on Aug 14, 2008 8:45:52 GMT -5
Y egsaktly iz drainbead votin 4 Duke nao? Since evidence suggests hez Scotsman, which iz moar likely 2 be Townie. Incidentally, Duke, us whole post restricshun made me positiv dat u wuz fakin, since u didnt start teh acsent when u got ur role PM. Id liek 2 hear frum Parzival. Nothin in particular, jus anything he wants 2 say. My interpretation of what happened with the lynch yesterday is the same as Pollux Oil's. It tells us nothing about the Duke, and I think he's just as suspicious as he was yesterDay. Can ye please explain whye exactly Aye am suspicious? Maybe then Aye can explain e' in more detail. Aye tried ter do soe before Aye became tha vo'e leader on Daye Three. En' then ye never had enythan' ter compain abou' mye rebuttal, soe as far as Aye am concerned, ye cannae find enythan' wrong weth mye logick en' are tryin' ter throw en ennocen' man ter tha dogss. Or do ye find somethin' abou' me suspiciouss?
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Post by Koldanar on Aug 14, 2008 8:46:26 GMT -5
Gives Hal the Hot Potato.
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 14, 2008 10:16:50 GMT -5
There are 2 vote-counts in that post, one for the end of the 12 hour countdown, which shows Roosh in the lead, and another including subsequent votes, which shows Duke in the lead. This is what NAF said in his clarifying post, Night 3.8: So Duke had the most votes, so it seems that all votes counted, even those after the countdown ended. Unless someone has a vote-boost ability. The voters for Duke after the 12 hour countdown expired were: bufftabby, kat, parzival, pedescribe, mr scummyboots, esq., drainbead, hockeymonkey, Hoopy. If there is a vote booster then it is one of those players. I am feeling generous so I will note that the countdown was not a 12 hour countdown and that you all should read what the mods post a little more carefully if you want to have any chance of making headway in this game.
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 14, 2008 10:33:22 GMT -5
Well, this confirms that we have at least two parties that can kill. BlaM may have been a mod kill (he hasn't posted since Day 1). And we had only one kill on each of the first 2 Nights. Still, in a game with this many players I would have expected multiple killing roles. One of the killers might have some sort of conditional kill ability, and so perhaps got their first chance to use it last night. Or maybe BlaM requested to be killed. I wouldn't be surprised if we had another investigative role out there, besides the dear departed Darth, and Rajaat. For balance, it might be a conditional sort of thing, like I just mentioned. Maybe whoever targetted Kat and gave her the lolCat restriction got an investigative result from that? Kat, was there anything in your PR PM that would lead you to believe that? I'm just talking out my ass, but it's worth a shot. Mmm, half-baked theories are so gooey...
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 14, 2008 10:59:57 GMT -5
Ugh. RoOsH, will you kindly explain why it's pro town not to have a countdown started?!?!!?[/quote] Since you asked so nicely, sure. -It CAN be "pro-town" to do nearly anything in these sorts of games, and to spin it as such. So in your question asking me can I see it as protown- well, yes, I could. I'm not the end all, be all sorta fellow here- and I don't know Everything that's going on. That said- delaying a countdown COULD be a pro-town action IF you knew there was a down side to it- starting a countdown say... right NOW would not be the most pro-town move in my book- I don't mind the countdown being started 2 day or 24 hours before the end of the natural week, but the thing is- if you just START the countdown ASAP because "delaying it is anti-town" then you're just cutting short discussions and giving the Day a FIXED end limit. So if you guys all started the countdown NOW, and the Mods decide the next one will be a 12 hour limit before it goes into effect- I don't think that would have been the towniest move to make- as it'll put everyone into "hurry-up" mode, which could cause the possibilities of a mislynch or a last min vote change and such things. -Also, you've not given much thought to the idea that some abilities MAY be triggered by countdowns. Sure, there seem to be positive ones- like the removal of Kat's lolspeak and such things, but have you considered the fact that there could be negative ones out there too? When has the "Scum" player spoken- we know they can post more than once now, but I'm curious if perhaps they can only post AFTER the countdown has been activated- or perhaps there is another ability out there that triggers with the Countdown. That's the thing, you as a to\/\/n have limited knowledge of these things, and to someone else who may know more (either a power role OR scum) - they may have additional insight into whether or not to spin the whole issue into a "this is always townie, or this is always anti-town" sorta deal. So i distrust those trying to paint a certain action as "anti-town" because unless that person knows all the variables, they're most certainly neglecting something OR they've got an agenda to push. That's why it could be Pro-Town to Delay, OR it could be Pro-Town to start it. It just depends on what information you have. Now then, do I personally believe that delaying a countdown is pro-town? -It depends. I believe the Day should be allowed to go until there is 48 hours left or so, and THEN thoughts should be given to triggering the countdown or not. This will allow players the maximum time possible to try to keep discussions and debates going before ending the Day prematurely.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 14, 2008 11:50:09 GMT -5
That's such bullshit. The Day had less than a day to go when DrainBead made that post. If we don't get a countdown started, WE DON'T GET ANY INFO AS TO THE LYNCHEE's ALIGNMENT!!! I don't give a flying shit what power the scum may or may not get when the countdown starts, we NEED to have a countdown started; without one we get ZERO info. I have zero clue how you can just explain it away like that, considering the rules of this game and the time at which her post was made.
I've been frustrated in these games before, but this is the first time I've actually been pissed off that nobody is seeing this glaring scum tell. WTF?
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 14, 2008 12:10:43 GMT -5
We've done our best to make sure that most (if not quite all ) mechanics are discoverable. To that end, modkilling or removing a player from the game without notifying all players is not something we'll do. Blam was not modkilled. Also, since I guess my color was not as clear as I thought it was... the clockwork horse switched Ro.osh and Duke. Duke had the most votes, Ro.osh was second, and the horse switched them, and then Ro.osh didn't die. If you follow the color carefully, you'll note that "Duke" does my best silly impersonation of Ro.osh as he's led to the chopping block. Then note, immediately after the failed lynch, that Duke is sitting where Ro.osh was, and Ro.osh is on the dias where Duke was. Everything clear as mud now? Good.
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Post by bufftabby on Aug 14, 2008 12:34:55 GMT -5
Since evidence suggests hez Scotsman, which iz moar likely 2 be Townie. Can someone explain this statement? Is there a role known as "scotsman"? I googled it, and I checked the mafiascum wiki, and didn't see any information that would clarify this statement.
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Post by Parzival on Aug 14, 2008 12:45:36 GMT -5
As you may have noticed by Koldanar's action, the HOT POTATOES[/color] can't be refused (which means pedescribe has the one I started with, and Hal has the other one). My instructions were that I had 3 posts in which to give it away ... or else. They appear to be an anti-lurking mechanic, assuming they are dangerous.
Kat, you called me out to see what I had to say. You've already indicated you have a night action (which failed against Roosh). So, are you the one handing out these little presents - specifically, the HOT POTATO[/color]?
I'm also curious if you truly understand what Roosh is referring to as having occurred between you two.
Two question for any mod who isn't getting married:
1.Did we actually see the axe bounce off Duke's neck? The Clockwork Horse story suggests that The Dude took his place, but I don't get why he'd take his place after the lynch. So do we know with certainty that Duke survived his lynch, or do we not know who was in the chair at the time the axe fell?
2.Day 1 the countdown was 24 hours. Day 2 it was said to be 12 hours (I think), and Day 3 it appeared to be back to 24. Can we assume that it will be 24 hours barring other circumstances (e.g. the indefinite end of this Day)?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 14, 2008 12:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by NAF1138 on Aug 14, 2008 13:00:35 GMT -5
Day 2 it was said to be 12 hours (I think), and Day 3 it appeared to be back to 24. FAIL
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 14, 2008 13:02:23 GMT -5
1.Did we actually see the axe bounce off Duke's neck? The [/color] Clockwork Horse story suggests that The Dude took his place, but I don't get why he'd take his place after the lynch. So do we know with certainty that Duke survived his lynch, or do we not know who was in the chair at the time the axe fell?[/quote] Also, since I guess my color was not as clear as I thought it was... the clockwork horse switched Ro.osh and Duke. Duke had the most votes, Ro.osh was second, and the horse switched them, and then Ro.osh didn't die. If you follow the color carefully, you'll note that "Duke" does my best silly impersonation of Ro.osh as he's led to the chopping block. Then note, immediately after the failed lynch, that Duke is sitting where Ro.osh was, and Ro.osh is on the dias where Duke was. Everything clear as mud now? Good. 2.Day 1 the countdown was 24 hours. Day 2 it was said to be 12 hours (I think), and Day 3 it appeared to be back to 24. Can we assume that it will be 24 hours barring other circumstances (e.g. the indefinite end of this Day)? There is a schedule regarding countdown lengths. We aren't telling you what it is.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 14, 2008 14:48:13 GMT -5
*plays with the Old Coin in boredom*
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 14, 2008 15:27:25 GMT -5
I'm bored. So Hoopy, you're a hoopy frood, I've got information again. And since my person isn't talking to me yet, I'll share it with you AND if you want, I'll give you the Old Coin (though I have NO clue what it does). All it'll cost you is the same old song and dance. Whatd'ya say? You've got 9hours to decide from this post. Go!
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 14, 2008 16:55:39 GMT -5
I wanna play with the Old Coin.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 14, 2008 17:26:17 GMT -5
I wanna play with the Old Coin. Then prove you're a hoopy frood.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 14, 2008 17:27:08 GMT -5
Bah! Stupid filter...
Prove you're a H0opy Fr0od, d0od. If you can do his shtick, I don't see why I can't give you the scoop.
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Post by Drain Bead on Aug 14, 2008 17:50:15 GMT -5
I'm going to vote for Drain Bead. Some reasons have already been mentioned: - The refusal to help start the countdown yesterDay - The slowness at releasing the message on Day 2 (waiting until molefan was all but done anyway) There is also another interesting thing from molefan's #1.677: he misgenderfies* the following people: calls peeker "her" calls nanook "she" calls CIAS "she" calls Pleo "she" calls cookies "he" calls drainbead "he" Now getting someone's gender wrong could be a simple mistake or a wrong guess. But that looks like it's deliberate, as he has played with many of these people before. For example he was a fellow mason with Cookies in Batman where they had their own discussion board, so it's beyond belief that he still doesn't know that Cookies is a she. So it looks like a deliberate attempt to distance himself from these players. I think there's a very good chance there is scum on that list and Drain Bead is the stand out candidate. Vote Drain Bead* I just made that word up now Are you SERIOUS? Everyone screws up my gender. I have a masculine sounding screenname. I probably get called "him" by people who don't know me about ten times more than I get called "her." And I don't really know molefan at all--I may have played one game with him, if that. So unless he was looking at the little pink symbol by my name at the time he made that post, chances are he's going to call me a he regardless. Wow, this is really reaching to jump on that bandwagon. We have someone calling the leper a liar and few people are jumping on that, but some scumbag who I helped turn in calls me "he" and suddenly I'm scum. That is weaksauce.
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Post by Drain Bead on Aug 14, 2008 17:55:00 GMT -5
That's such bullshit. The Day had less than a day to go when DrainBead made that post. If we don't get a countdown started, WE DON'T GET ANY INFO AS TO THE LYNCHEE's ALIGNMENT!!! I don't give a flying shit what power the scum may or may not get when the countdown starts, we NEED to have a countdown started; without one we get ZERO info. Well, first off, we don't get zero info. We get a room inventory, which has been pretty damn good so far at giving us a good idea of who people are. I don't think I've looked at a death that involved a room inventory and been left thinking "WTF?" Second off, it's not like I was the ONLY person who could have started the countdown. Clearly it got started not long afterwards. Had I been the only option, I would have started it. Finally, your point about the time left in the Day is well-taken--I had lost track of when the end of the Day was and had no idea we were so close to it. Everything's so weirdly variable in this game. I should have been paying more attention.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 14, 2008 17:57:09 GMT -5
So, Kat.... What've You been up to? As I recall us having a conversation on Day Three, that pretty much only you and I knew what we knew. Care to continue on that thought, or do you want me to keep silent on my end of things and you on your end of things? I'll let you do what you wanna do, but I'm still curious... Hmmm? *flips the Old Coin* Furst off, Im gonna freely admit dat I has no idea wut u wuz tryin 2 say in ur Dai 3 Reply#235. If somethin happend 2 u on Nite 2, tho, it wuz not me, as muh Nite Acshun faild. As far as Im aware, nothin shud has happend 2 u, basd on mah role as explaind in da role PM. Basd on ur reacshun, I made an assumpshun as 2 wut u thot mah Nite Acshun wuz, an also an assumpshun dat u didnt wants to reveal it. If thaz rong, let me knoe, an Ill speek moar clearly. Anyway, if mah assumpshun ov wut u thot I did iz rite, den: No, I didn't do it. I'm also curious if you truly understand what Roosh is referring to as having occurred between you two. Apparently not.
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Post by Gir! on Aug 14, 2008 18:04:34 GMT -5
Maybe whoever targetted Kat and gave her the lolCat restriction got an investigative result from that? Kat, was there anything in your PR PM that would lead you to believe that? I'm just talking out my ass, but it's worth a shot. Mmm, half-baked theories are so gooey... No, no menshun wuz made ov any results goin 2 teh person hoo startd teh game, or ov it havin any effect othr than teh post restricshun. Thar r 2 piecez ov info I has not menshund, hopin 2 hold onto it 2 confirm wif any person dat claimd 2 be teh rawk-papr-scisors playr. If u wants 2 knoe, Ill giv out dat info nao. i doan finkz anyonz goin 2 fess up.
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