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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 12:26:03 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 12:26:03 GMT -5
That's a very amusing signature you have there, sinjin.
Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idde, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle, Idle.
Idle.
Idle, Idle.
This post should count for 20 at least!
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 12:31:51 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 12:31:51 GMT -5
All right, a few things here. 1: I do not accept Idle's claim without reservations, but I do feel that it's a null tell, and that he shouldn't be lynched toDay. 1a:If he were town, not a move you'd want a dedicated player to make, however if one knew you had neither the spirit or inclination to play through the whole game, engaging the scum in some massive WIFOM is great... OR (sorry Idle gotta do it, think of it as another glass of wine) he could be a townie bomb trying to guarantee himself some scum targeting. (I may have messed with plans if the latter's true, but if the former's true I may be extending the life of a doc!) 1b:If he were scum, again not a move you'd want a dedicated player to make but having neither the spirit nor inclination, getting the town distracted and microfocusing, and probably surviving through at least one lynch, since it's really unwise to lynch that kind of claim day one, not a bad idea. 1c:Ergo, it's a null tell with a motivation to wait at least two Nights before bringing it up again. 2: I was contemplating pulling you out of the mini-game as soon as you rejoined this game Idle. I was going to send you a pm to that effect, but you beat me to the punch. 3: The vitriol isn't needed folks, seriously. I'm really interested in the people who've started hounding Idle heavily. With that said: Vote Sinjin I really don't like this post: Good show townie Idle. Let's look at what you've done for us this Day so far. 1. You've outed yourself as the town Doc, thereby seriously compromising a powerful town role. If you are the Doc. 2. You're encouraging the town Detective/Investigator to essentially waste an investigation on you early in the game. If you are the Doc. 3. Said D/I will have to out themselves to attest to your towniness. If you are the Doc. 4. You've derailed any and all discussion except about you this Day and how "WAHHHH, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY. WHY DO THEY ALWAYS MAKE ME PLAY? Yep, sounds like good pro-town behaviour to me. (sarcasm smiley here) SO what else do you want to talk about toDay kids? Random voting? This reads to me as deliberate provocation of Idle while simultaneously saying that Idle's derailing the conversation. He's rushin to a conclusion and also trying to say it could go either way. Mostly though he's complaining about the focus being on Idle, then only focusing on Idle and implying there's nothing else to focus on. I don't like that at all. See there is something else to talk about. I want to echo this post completely. I don't think Idle's play is anti-town. If he were a role that couldn't self-protect, it would be a different story. I'm all for re-visiting this topic at a later time, should Idle remain alive. As for sinjin, that post pinged me as well on first read, but I couldn't quantify exactly how, but Blockey's got it. Idle's claim seems like such a null tell right now, that this just seems like scum opportunism. Maybe not, but that's the feeling that I get. Vote Sinjin
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 12:42:34 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 12:42:34 GMT -5
And why the frowny face? I'm still in this game, aren't I? So I'm not a total lost cause. *half smile* Yeah, well, when it's finally my turn to host my Simpsons game, like 2 years from now, you had for damn sure better be in it, young man! (Srsly, where's the school-marm-with-a-ruler smiley when you need it?)
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:02:28 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 21, 2008 13:02:28 GMT -5
sinjin, don't'cha think you're soundin' a bit obsessive over there?
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:19:58 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 13:19:58 GMT -5
Mods, I don't believe you ever answered my question, so I'll repeat it, a little more loudly this time. What happens to any non-participatory players? Will there be a mod-sha? A poke? An attempt to find a sub? Nothing?
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:39:01 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 21, 2008 13:39:01 GMT -5
This reads to me as deliberate provocation of Idle while simultaneously saying that Idle's derailing the conversation. He's rushin to a conclusion and also trying to say it could go either way. Mostly though he's complaining about the focus being on Idle, then only focusing on Idle and implying there's nothing else to focus on. And blockey's "rushin to a conclusion" that Sinjin is a guy. (Sinjin's female, BTW.) You've never read any of my posts, have you?
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:39:06 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 13:39:06 GMT -5
Wow, and I had just made mention of "older women" in the other thread (in the general forum). Now you go and do the ruler thing!
Anyway, I'm not ALL convinced, myself, that sinjin is scummy just for thinking I'm scummy. If anything has taught me something, it's that Conspiracy proved two people can think of each other scummy as hell but turn out not to really be scum.
That being said, this is another one of these closed set up games. Man, I hate these. Because there's really no way to tell who is what without voting..and once somoene has the votes all they do is claim and everyone then moves onto the NEXT person. I remember in Firefly about 5 people claimed in the first Day due to having vote pressure on them.
I still like my vote where it is, currently. Even though sinjin and Squid are voting for me, I don't really think it's suspicious to do that...in fact, if experience has taught me anything it's that scum would probably want to stay away from me right now because they'd know I was telling the truth and wouldn't want to be held responsible for killing me off. However, now that I've made this post tipping my insight to that, I wouldn't be surprised if anyone else who voted for me toDay (after this post) WAS scum.
Tell you what, bufftabby, the next game I play in after this game will be yours.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:49:39 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 21, 2008 13:49:39 GMT -5
Well, to all of you concerned about my play style, I am pretty abrasive and over-bearing, but that's just the way I play. Ask NAF. As my sig says, I only made 3.33 posts about Idle, I put it in my sig because I was getting heat for posting too much about Idle, heh. For the record: Post #1 Was my first post of the day to vote on the end of day, with a sarcastic comment to Idle similar to the one I made to Zuma in the Batman game, where Zuma claimed for no reason and funny thing turned out to be scum. He replied basically daring me to vote him: So I voted for him giving my reasons in this post #2. Post #3 was a response to Zeriel about my Idle vote again giving reasons for my vote. Post #4, was written in response to reading these two consecutive posts by Idle and in particular the last couple of lines of the second post: I didn't know that two posts was considered harping. Live and learn. And to those who think I was equivocating in my last post, I was not, I was being sarcastic. I truely believe he's lying, hence my vote and defense of it. Since this discussion is going nowhere, I will just hope he doesn't have a "ceiling cat" type of role and move on.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:53:53 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 21, 2008 13:53:53 GMT -5
BYAHH!!!
Long weekend, but I'm back. I'll be catching up this evening, and be in full swing by manana.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:54:39 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 13:54:39 GMT -5
That's another post about Idle, sinjin! Better update that sig! I do wonder if my initial reaction to your post was based on your tone ("abrasiveness", if you will). I've not played much with you before, so I'm not really familiar with your style.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 13:56:16 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 21, 2008 13:56:16 GMT -5
That's a bit meta, even for sysadmin me. On the other hand, voting for aggressively bad logic ain't meta at all. vote sinjin. Honestly, you can't see ANY reason a doc would throw out the WIFOM like this on day one? Didn't you watch the Firefly game, for example--this struck me as similar to Roosh's play. If Idle's town, no matter what he is, he can play this so that it's a net benefit for town. If he's scum we lynch him later after someone investigates him. I gotta admit, I'm kinda rackin' my brain to figure out who the hell in the Marvel universe gives out candy to kids. Technically speaking, I can't give out candy to kids, yet. I can only do it at night, presumably by luring you guys to my quiet secluded house in the middle of the woods, etc, etc, etc. (Don't take the "secluded house" bit as mod-written in my role PM btw, that's purely my own invention. Let's say it's kinda implied.) The point is, I can only give out candy at night. I don't know what effects it has - I rather suspect none at all, given that I'm the useless old man - but it's confirmable enough at the start of day 2, assuming I actually manage to survive that long, when somebody finds themselves with a nice treat. You guys really need to get your heads around the "useless old man" thing. I'll make it simple for you though. I can't investigate, kill, protect, hide, role-redirect, I'm not a survivor or PFK, I can't win if the scum do, and my entire power is basically giving out tasty treats at night that don't, as far as I know, do a damn thing to help or harm anybody. That's the sum total of my role. Oh yeah - not mad bomber either, before anybody asks. The PM is quite clear about that.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:11:35 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 21, 2008 14:11:35 GMT -5
Me, I just role claimed on Day One. That's not Anti-Town behavior It's happened before. I've seen it happen a lot of times in games. And you know what else? I think the people who are still HARPING ON IT and making this WHOLE DAY ABOUT ME are people who are actively trying to derail conversation to try to find OTHER POSSIBLE SCUM. So if I were other people, I would take closer looks at: sinjin, booz, peek, and the others I said in my second post (for other reasons, though). Wow. First day huge font protestations of innocence? This has got to be a record, even for you, Chris. And a first Day claim isn't a new thing. But an unforced claim? On not only the first Day, but the first day of the Day? It's highly suspicious, no matter how you slice it.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:25:08 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 21, 2008 14:25:08 GMT -5
Boozeahol, it's worked before. Structurally it's similar to the Roosh play in Firefly, and, well, it's Idle. He's a random-ass son of a bitch.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:27:37 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 14:27:37 GMT -5
Yeah? What about Pleonast in the last game on here? He claimed Day one in the first few posts.
I already explained it to you, I'm going to make this as easy as possible for myself. That means getting all the cards on the table about myself now that way all I have to do is read and focus on posts, players, and voting. Let the scum worry about what to do with me.
And like I said before, if I'm not believed, ever, and lynched...well, I'll be out of the game then, won't I?
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:37:07 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Sept 21, 2008 14:37:07 GMT -5
unvote Cat vote Idle
Idle has already stated 20 times that he doesn't want to play. I'm sure this post will result in time 21. I don't necessarily think he is lying about that part, but that doesn't mean he is town. A bold doctor claim by scum on day one would also make sense for someone who doesn't really want to play for long.
Some have argued that we can't risk lynching the doctor, but that is precisely why scum would make such a claim. This is a mistake we seem to be making over and over. Scum will almost always claim roles that are too good to lose. It is the roles that we can afford to lose that are almost exclusively claimed by town.
The part about Idle's claim that bothers me most is calling himself a doctor rather then the doctor. I have never seen a game with multiple people with full doctors powers. There might be others with protective powers, but never two full doctors. Idle is claiming to be a full doctor. Saying that there might be another seems to be a hedge for when a different doctor is revealed later. It is exactly what a scum would do.
The other point that keeps coming up is a theory that we should just let the detectives handle this. However, we are dealing with Skrulls. They can shape-shift and take on multiple idenities. Is it really beyond the realm of possibility that a scum could pretend to be a doctor at night? Do we have any other way of testing Idle? I'm not fully convinced Idle is lying, he may just be crazy, but he is my best candidate right now. We are at no risk of a lynch yet, and I find FOS to be silly, so I moved my vote. I'll reconsider the situation before we approach an actual lynch.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:42:27 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Sept 21, 2008 14:42:27 GMT -5
I have never seen a game with multiple people with full doctors powers. Batman had storyteller and brewha. Terminator has the Paranoid Doc and the Doc. Conspiracy has the Witches and the Witchdoctor.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:44:35 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 14:44:35 GMT -5
unvote Catvote IdleIdle has already stated 20 times that he doesn't want to play. I'm sure this post will result in time 21.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:45:52 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 14:45:52 GMT -5
And here it is with the coding fixed: unvote Catvote IdleIdle has already stated 20 times that he doesn't want to play. I'm sure this post will result in time 21. Wrong. I said I didn't want to play. Past tense. But now that I'm in the game, I will play as long as I'm alive. What I HAVE said over and over again is: It's stupid to vote for me because I didn't want to play (which is part of what it seems like you're doing). Please show me where I said I thought there might be two FULL Doctors in the game. I said "a" Doctor because there HAVE been other Doctor type roles in one game. Back-up Doc, Fifty percent Doc, even just a one shot type Doc. I would consider all of those Doctors and refer to them as Doctors too. I never said FULL Doctors. Please show me where I have said this or even hinted that I thought this was the case. Voting for me is fine, but at least do it for reasonable beliefs and not false/untrue ones.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:51:27 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Sept 21, 2008 14:51:27 GMT -5
My thoughts on the situation.
I'm guessing that Idle knows that he'll investigate as town. Now, that doesn't mean that he is - godfather type is possible, but I'm calling it a null tell for the reasons that have been elaborated above.
I won't be back online till sometime tomorrow, unless I make very good time on the road back to school tonight.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:53:10 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 14:53:10 GMT -5
Now, now, Darth....we all know either you or Santo is the Godfather. That was a joke.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 14:56:45 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 14:56:45 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that reminds me, I wouldn't be surprised if there were different types of investigators too. Quite possibly even one that doesn't get the side but only the name or perhaps neither name or side, but role. So again, if there any out there like that, feel free (if you want) to give me a go...but you'll only be wasting your time. This is what I said earlier too, SINJIN. How that's "encouraging" them, I don't know.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 15:17:13 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 21, 2008 15:17:13 GMT -5
And blockey's "rushin to a conclusion" that Sinjin is a guy. (Sinjin's female, BTW.) You've never read any of my posts, have you? Heh, heh. Actually, I think I'm one of the few people whose gender you never got wrong. Even in Batman you always referred to me as he. I think you still refer to Sinjin as "he" on occasion.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 15:26:55 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 21, 2008 15:26:55 GMT -5
Technically speaking, I can't give out candy to kids, yet. I can only do it at night, presumably by luring you guys to my quiet secluded house in the middle of the woods, etc, etc, etc. You're not going to interest us in a delicious bottle of milk, too, are you?
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 17:30:28 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Sept 21, 2008 17:30:28 GMT -5
Mods, I don't believe you ever answered my question, so I'll repeat it, a little more loudly this time. What happens to any non-participatory players? Will there be a mod-sha? A poke? An attempt to find a sub? Nothing? They'll be prodded, non-respondents will be subbed if available. We'd rather not modkill if we can avoid it.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 17:35:58 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 21, 2008 17:35:58 GMT -5
First of all, sorry that I'm only posting now. It took me a while to figure out that this was the forum for the game, as I thought there were two games going on.
That being said, I
vote 5 days
as I like it to line up with the calendar week.
Now here comes the part where the newbie logic comes into play. Mind you that I don't have much of a grasp on the roles yet, but to me it seems two people have stood out so far:
Idle for going public very early, and sinijn for calling him on that. Personally, I think sinjin's first post made some sense: If Idle is indeed a Townie, it seems a very confusing move. But what is confusing to town is possibly even more confusing to scum. Like others have already said, it's not enough of a tell to vote for Idle on: - He could be a townie bomb trying to trigger an attack (but again - does that make sense when he also claims doctor?) - He could be scum trying to provoce an investigation - And 22 other roles that I can't even phantom right now. - His action seems very bold for someone who doesn't want the attention
I think we should put the Idle discussion to rest for now. In my book, he's still suspect, but I'm afraid it steals focus from other potential scum-members.
Oh and feel free to give me pointers here or by PM if I'm not doing something right - it's my first game, and I'm not really sure what is expected of me. So basically, I'm just trying to mirror what you guys are doing.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 17:41:20 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 17:41:20 GMT -5
Who said anything about wanting attention? I never said anything for or against it. I don't see how attention correlates into anything that's been said so far.
I don't seek it, nor do I care if it's on me. I don't care one way or another, heh.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 19:13:59 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 21, 2008 19:13:59 GMT -5
Hello, children. How lovely it is to see all of your happy smiling faces. I hear that some of you are confused. Scared. Frightened, even. But that's ok, boys and girls, you don't need to be scared of me. I'm just a harmless old man, looking for a little company to brighten up the days and the long, lonely nights. I didn't think anything of this when I first read it, but on reread it bothers me a lot. Mole, would you please make a proper claim? Something with name, powers (or not), whatever's pertinent. At least Idle's claim is straightforward. We can believe him or not, provisionally. Why shouldn't we lynch you as a survivor Scum (distributing candy for your own victory) at best or useless Townie at worst? Actually, since this is Day One, this is enough for me to vote: vote molefan~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I'm tempted to vote sinjin because of the way she went after Idle. There's no reason to be in a hurry to lynch him.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 19:23:26 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 21, 2008 19:23:26 GMT -5
Now, now, Darth....we all know either you or Santo is the Godfather. That was a joke. I know how you feel. You don't want to play anymore because nobody appreciates you. I don't want to play anymore because I can't get a scum role anymore. It's been like a dozen games (or at least it feels like it). I'm starting to get bored. Hey, molefan, any chance that when somebody visits your secluded dungeon and takes your candy, that they're unable to do anything else that Night (since they're in the middle of the woods)?
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 19:25:28 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 21, 2008 19:25:28 GMT -5
I have never seen a game with multiple people with full doctors powers. Batman had storyteller and brewha. Terminator has the Paranoid Doc and the Doc. Conspiracy has the Witches and the Witchdoctor. And the last game had what amounted to three doctors: twins that had to submit the same target, a doc that had to announce his target in the game thread via FOS, and a doc who died if he protected scum. That's three protects pretty darn near to full, even if they did have to be worked out carefully.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 19:29:54 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 21, 2008 19:29:54 GMT -5
I don't want to play anymore because I can't get a scum role anymore. It's been like a dozen games (or at least it feels like it). I'm starting to get bored. Kinda reminds me of Little League, and playing town is like playing the outfield. You only do it to shag balls while other people get to have all the fun and take batting practice. But enough bitching from me... - And 22 other roles that I can't even phantom right now. I can't phantom any roles, either. Hell, there are a few I can't even fathom. Not a good idea... 7) No communication offboard about the game unless stated in your role PM, and then only in the designated forums for that communication. Nice to have you aboard, though!
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