Santo Rugger
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 20:59:53 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 21, 2008 20:59:53 GMT -5
Almost forgot... vote 5 days
I think part of the lull I've been experiencing is because nobody talks in the middle of the Day, and yet people are miraculously present on the last day to cast their votes and discuss. I think it's a skewed normal curve with how much is accomplished per Day with a given amount of Days. I think 5 days is optimum, with additional days not really adding any additional benefit.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 23:35:03 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 23:35:03 GMT -5
And, of course, as soon as you mention a lack of posting, Santo, conversation screeches to a halt as soon as one could possibly regard to be the middle of the Day. Well, it looks like Nanook and Greedy Smurf are the only two who haven't checked in, unless I missed a post somewhere. I imagine we'll see them around tomorrow. I didn't think anything of this when I first read it, but on reread it bothers me a lot. Mole, would you please make a proper claim? Something with name, powers (or not), whatever's pertinent. At least Idle's claim is straightforward. We can believe him or not, provisionally. Why shouldn't we lynch you as a survivor Scum (distributing candy for your own victory) at best or useless Townie at worst? I would definitely like to hear more from Molefan on this as well. I wonder if Santo hasn't got it right: I think this is quite possible, especially with Molefan's mention of "long, lonely nights".
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Santo Rugger
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 23:51:43 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 21, 2008 23:51:43 GMT -5
And, of course, as soon as you mention a lack of posting, Santo, conversation screeches to a halt as soon as one could possibly regard to be the middle of the Day. I tend to have that effect on things at times.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 4:21:42 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 22, 2008 4:21:42 GMT -5
I can't phantom any roles, either. Hell, there are a few I can't even fathom. Bah.. That's what I get for posting when I should be sleeping
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 7:46:51 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 22, 2008 7:46:51 GMT -5
UATU LOVES THE SMELL OF VOTE COUNT IN THE MORNING
YOU ARE CURRENTLY VOTING TO KILL THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE:
Idle Thoughts (3) - Boozhol Squid, PI; sinjin; hawkeyeop sinjin (3) - misterblockey; zeriel; bufftabby Kid Vermicious (1) - Idle Thoughts molefan1981 (1) - Pleonast
WHILE OFFICIAL VOTING REGARDING THE DAY LENGTH REMAINS OPEN UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT "5 DAYS" IS CURRENTLY REGARDED AS THE OPTIMAL LENGTH. A FIVE-DAY DAY WOULD RESULT IN DUSK OCCURRING AT OR AROUND 9:00AM ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:00:01 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 22, 2008 8:00:01 GMT -5
Well, I have to admit I want to believe Idle. What he is saying makes sense, and I definitely don't think it's smart to vote for him on Day one.
That being said, sinjin came off very scummy to me with her assault. For now, she appears to be the scummiest player in the game, and although I don't want to make a bandwagon vote I gotta vote for the scummiest player, so Vote sinjin
That vote is subject to change if someone else should start looking scummier.
Also, welcome to the new folks! It's always nice to have new victims players.
--FCOD
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:21:27 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 8:21:27 GMT -5
Y'know, I thought of a person in the Marvel universe who's an old guy with candy. I'm not sure if it's WIFOM or not to be suspicious because said person has worked both directly for and directly against Apocalypse. I mean, I'm not exactly planning on being prejudiced against traditionally bad guys, since regardless of one's feelings on mutant registration who the hell wants to die on this rock? So, molefan, I gotta ask if you might just be Mister Sinister.
Man, this game is going to be geek hell. =(
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:24:34 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 8:24:34 GMT -5
I mean, geek hell in a good way. =P
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:37:34 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 22, 2008 8:37:34 GMT -5
Y'know, I thought of a person in the Marvel universe who's an old guy with candy. I'm not sure if it's WIFOM or not to be suspicious because said person has worked both directly for and directly against Apocalypse. I mean, I'm not exactly planning on being prejudiced against traditionally bad guys, since regardless of one's feelings on mutant registration who the hell wants to die on this rock? So, molefan, I gotta ask if you might just be Mister Sinister. Man, this game is going to be geek hell. =( There's no reason to be prejudiced against any of the traditional bad guys or in favor of any of the traditional good guys. Just about every bad guy in the Marvel universe has aided the side of good at some point. And many of the good guys worked for Apocalypse at some point. Also, since the Skrull's are shapechangers, any of them could be disguised as any of us. And it will all be keeping with canon even.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:40:18 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 8:40:18 GMT -5
I admit I'm more interested in getting a handle on just what kinda candy he's offering than trying to figure out his alignment based on his role.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:40:33 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 8:40:33 GMT -5
That and brainstorming marvel characters is fun. =P
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:44:26 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 22, 2008 8:44:26 GMT -5
That and brainstorming marvel characters is fun. =P Isn't it?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:53:07 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 8:53:07 GMT -5
OK, so I responded to Pleonast's vote yesterday, and it seems that the Internets have decided that my vote is tastier than the candy I'm going to be handing out. So I'm going to have to write out the whole thing again. Woohoo! First of all, you kids REALLY need to get your heads around the "useless old man" thing. I'm a townie with the power to give out candy at night. That's my only power. The "woods, house etc" thing was my own invention for color. In no part of my role PM does it actually say anything perverse, but it does say that I'm giving out candy, to kids, at night. Let's face it, the only possible way that this could not look seriously dodgy is if I were a fat man with a white beard dressed in bright red garb. And even then some of us would be doubtful. (And for the record - my character isn't Santa Claus.) As to the candy - I have no idea what it does. Given the rest of my role PM, and the fact that I have to give it out (I have no choice in the matter) I rather suspect that it does absolutely nothing at all, rather like half the stuff given out in the GM game, but the only way to find out is to see what happens when I give it to somebody. Well provided I survive today and tonight we'll find out. As to my alignment - I'm 100% town aligned. I can't win on my own or if a PFK does. I have no particular objection to giving out my title for a mass roleclaim (my objection in "Batman" was because doing so then would have revealed all of the masons) but I do object to doing it on my own because I've never heard of it and don't know what the scum would read into it. (Not much I assume, given that I'm a useless old man, but it pays to be careful.) Pleo, the bottom line is that I'm not worth lynching or night-killing. I've roleclaimed because 1) it'll become very obvious what my power is at the start of day 2, and 2) I don't want the scum to get the idea that I'm a power role worth killing. Also I genuinely want to see what happens when somebody bites the lollipop... talking of which, who wants me to deliver them a big tasty lollipop tonight?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 8:56:20 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Sept 22, 2008 8:56:20 GMT -5
Well, it looks like Nanook and Greedy Smurf are the only two who haven't checked in, unless I missed a post somewhere. I imagine we'll see them around tomorrow. I wonder if being so predictable is a good thing or a bad thing. It's kinda nice being able to play in a game without a ton of bizarre posts of absolutely nothing. No offence to the gastards, your game was a cool concept, just not my cup of tea. Some basic stuff out of the way first. I know very little about the Marvel universe. Was never really much of a comic book guy. I'm still a geek though, so I know a little here and there strictly from osmosis being around other geeks all the time. Vote 5 days[/color] I like the Day ending on a Thursday. I might prefer a little later in the day than 9 am, but Thursday is definately my preferred ending day when my play time is considered. Of the three people that have popped to the forefront early, it's hard to say obviously. I personally think molefan is the scummiest of the three. His pseudo-roleclaim reminds me a lot of others in recent games made by scum trying to hide in plain sight. I get the impression that what he is trying to evoke is Pleo's claim from last game. The difference is that Pleo told all basically right from the beginning, and mole is not. I'm not ready to vote for him just yet, pending more information from him, but I definately have an eye on him. I might be wrong, and considering my track record as town probably am, but Sinjin is coming across more townie than scum to me. Aggressively challenging a role claim seems like the sort of move that a townie is more likely to make than a scum, since it get's you a lot of attention for potentially little gain. There's the possibility that the two of them are working together, as scum, in order to play off Idle's desire to not be in the game while making Sin come across as town. Such a move would of course require advanced planning and/or coordination. Which reminds me. Can the scum communicate during the Day?[/color] I don't remember seeing it spelled out either way. Idle is hard to get a read on. I believe him when he says he just wants to relax and have some fun with this game due to not really wanting to play. (Which incidentally, I'm sad to hear. You probably don't know me from Adam since I've only recently started playing on this board, but I've read all the games that happened here and I was often pulling for you.) But that doesn't say anything about his alignment either way. His play, coupled with his reasoning, works just as well for scum and town.
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Santo Rugger
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:05:05 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 22, 2008 9:05:05 GMT -5
Pleo, the bottom line is that I'm not worth lynching or night-killing. I've roleclaimed because... I don't want the scum to get the idea that I'm a power role worth killing. If you're not worth Night-killing, wouldn't you want to make the scum think you were worth Night-killing, so that they would waste their kill on somebody, you know... not worth Night killing? FOS molefanI smell a fish.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:16:27 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 9:16:27 GMT -5
Pleo, the bottom line is that I'm not worth lynching or night-killing. I've roleclaimed because... I don't want the scum to get the idea that I'm a power role worth killing. If you're not worth Night-killing, wouldn't you want to make the scum think you were worth Night-killing, so that they would waste their kill on somebody, you know... not worth Night killing? FOS molefanI smell a fish. In the last game there were more unaligned or actually malicious PFKs than there were town role players, if you don't count the Masons. What if the scum hits one of them rather than me? What if we'd been able to take out Bufftabby in the Gastard Mod game, for example? That would've been a huge boon for the town. Also, when I was the Hider I never got the chance to hide, and when I was the Godfather I never got the chance to kill. This time I'd like to actually be able to do something worthwhile, although plainly that's unlikely to happen because of my role. Call me selfish if you want, but it would really, really suck to be NK'd on my first night (again). Since on Day 2 everybody will know exactly what I can do, why not say it now and reduce the risk?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:18:53 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 22, 2008 9:18:53 GMT -5
OK, so I responded to Pleonast's vote yesterday, and it seems that the Internets have decided that my vote is tastier than the candy I'm going to be handing out. So I'm going to have to write out the whole thing again. Woohoo! First of all, you kids REALLY need to get your heads around the "useless old man" thing. I'm a townie with the power to give out candy at night. That's my only power. The "woods, house etc" thing was my own invention for color. In no part of my role PM does it actually say anything perverse, but it does say that I'm giving out candy, to kids, at night. Let's face it, the only possible way that this could not look seriously dodgy is if I were a fat man with a white beard dressed in bright red garb. And even then some of us would be doubtful. (And for the record - my character isn't Santa Claus.) As to the candy - I have no idea what it does. Given the rest of my role PM, and the fact that I have to give it out (I have no choice in the matter) I rather suspect that it does absolutely nothing at all, rather like half the stuff given out in the GM game, but the only way to find out is to see what happens when I give it to somebody. Well provided I survive today and tonight we'll find out. As to my alignment - I'm 100% town aligned. I can't win on my own or if a PFK does. I have no particular objection to giving out my title for a mass roleclaim (my objection in "Batman" was because doing so then would have revealed all of the masons) but I do object to doing it on my own because I've never heard of it and don't know what the scum would read into it. (Not much I assume, given that I'm a useless old man, but it pays to be careful.) Pleo, the bottom line is that I'm not worth lynching or night-killing. I've roleclaimed because 1) it'll become very obvious what my power is at the start of day 2, and 2) I don't want the scum to get the idea that I'm a power role worth killing. Also I genuinely want to see what happens when somebody bites the lollipop... talking of which, who wants me to deliver them a big tasty lollipop tonight? Well, the role you are claiming seems a little more like a Gastard game role than a Marvel game role, but what the hell. I still think sinjin is more scummy than you. I feel like doing something daring, so I'd be willing to take some candy off your hands. --FCOD
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:21:56 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 9:21:56 GMT -5
I personally think molefan is the scummiest of the three. His pseudo-roleclaim reminds me a lot of others in recent games made by scum trying to hide in plain sight. Nanook, first of all, last time my claim wasn't provable. This time it is. Just see who gets the lollipop. Offer's still open BTW.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:23:24 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 9:23:24 GMT -5
Never mind, I have a taker. FCoD, expect something sweet and scrumptious to be delivered to you tonight.
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Sept 22, 2008 9:24:31 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 22, 2008 9:24:31 GMT -5
For the record, FlyingDrHorribleOfDoom just made my townie list. I don't see why he would risk candy if he were scum. Right now, I'm thinking that there probably are a couple of scum hiding amongst those are quiet? Any experiences on that (to those who'd tried this more than me)?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:45:02 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 22, 2008 9:45:02 GMT -5
There's the possibility that the two of them are working together, as scum, in order to play off Idle's desire to not be in the game while making Sin come across as town. Such a move would of course require advanced planning and/or coordination. Which reminds me. Can the scum communicate during the Day?[/color] I don't remember seeing it spelled out either way. [/quote] I had this thought as well, and it is worth remembering that, regardless of whether scum etc can talk during the Day (I have no idea), the scum were explicitly given permission to talk amongst themselves on Night Zero, so there may be coordinated scum plans afoot.
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Santo Rugger
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:45:03 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 22, 2008 9:45:03 GMT -5
What if the scum hits one of them rather than me? What if your aunt had a dick?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:49:56 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 22, 2008 9:49:56 GMT -5
What if the scum hits one of them rather than me? What if your aunt had a dick? Now, boys, save that sexy talk for the bedroom, why dontcha?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 9:51:58 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 22, 2008 9:51:58 GMT -5
Ah BlaM, where art thou when this question is araised by people new to us?
Back in one of the early games (Pirates, I think) there was advanced the hypothesis that the scum would ensure that they had a wide variety of posting styles and frequencies - some would be laid back and some aggressive, some post lots and some only occasionally.
This became labelled the Pseudo-Random Hypothesis (or PRH for short). Pseudo-Random because the scum, in their efforts to avoid incriminating connections, would create a pattern out of the lack of connections.
And the beauty of it is that this is an almost entirely subconscious process - the scum are likely to do it without thinking of the consequences.
Some scum may be among the quiet ones, and some will not be. But even if they set themselves up totally randomly, they will tend, over time, to drift into pseudo-randomness and give themselves away.
The problem is going to be spotting the drift.
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Santo Rugger
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Sept 22, 2008 9:58:49 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 22, 2008 9:58:49 GMT -5
What if your aunt had a dick? Now, boys, save that sexy talk for the bedroom, why dontcha? Care to join us? If not, replace my response with, "What if a frog had wings" In case anybody didn't know, the answers are, "She'd be your uncle," and "He wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped." I have to sit through "What If?" sessions at work, where the subject mater experts and the safety analysts sit around a round table for an hour or more and discuss "what if", and they come up with all kinds of outrageous scenarios that have frequency expectancies of 1*10 -6 times per year, but if somebody thinks of it, we have to include it in our document. My point is that playing "what if" is less effective than the simple Occam's Razor of not trying to protect at night what molefan is claiming to be the most Vanilla of the powers.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 10:19:08 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 22, 2008 10:19:08 GMT -5
Now, boys, save that sexy talk for the bedroom, why dontcha? Care to join us? If not, replace my response with, "What if a frog had wings" <Snippy> My point is that playing "what if" is less effective than the simple Occam's Razor of not trying to protect at night what molefan is claiming to be the most Vanilla of the powers. Shh, it's not even dark yet. That cabin in the woods has gotta be good for something besides giving out candy. I hope CowGob doesn't return too bent out of shape. Regarding molefan's What if instead of a useless old man, they hit a detective or a doctor? I understand your desire for self-preservation (a null tell in and of itself), but if you're really Town, you shouldn't be self-preserving to the point that it damages Town. I also don't like this half-assed role claim. If you have been honest about your abilities (or lack thereof), then what's preventing you from telling us your role name?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 10:20:39 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 10:20:39 GMT -5
For the record, FlyingDrHorribleOfDoom just made my townie list. I don't see why he would risk candy if he were scum. What if the candy is a lie, and it's two scum setting up some kinda alibi. C'mon, man, it's not that easy.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 10:43:00 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 22, 2008 10:43:00 GMT -5
What if the candy is a lie, and it's two scum setting up some kinda alibi. C'mon, man, it's not that easy. Yeah. I know you're new, but think about it. I don't know what will happen to me when I eat the candy, but I figured at least if something bad happens to me it won't happen to someone with a more useful role. Sort of like what Cookies was doing in the last game. Of course, Cookies ended up dying on the red spot...if I am dead in the morning blame Molefan's poison candy!!! --FCOD
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 10:47:24 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 22, 2008 10:47:24 GMT -5
It's kinda nice being able to play in a game without a ton of bizarre posts of absolutely nothing. No offence to the gastards, your game was a cool concept, just not my cup of tea. My opinion exactly. Of the three people that have popped to the forefront early, it's hard to say obviously. I personally think molefan is the scummiest of the three. His pseudo-roleclaim reminds me a lot of others in recent games made by scum trying to hide in plain sight. I get the impression that what he is trying to evoke is Pleo's claim from last game. The difference is that Pleo told all basically right from the beginning, and mole is not. I'm not ready to vote for him just yet, pending more information from him, but I definately have an eye on him. And I agree with this as well. Townies don't need to hold back. Why keep your name a secret? If you were Town, revealing your name will only have positive consequences: either the Scum don't target you or they do. Since you've already said you don't have any useful powers, either way is all right. And in the end, you haven't given any reason not to lynch you. As I said before, lynching someone with a suspicious claim of no useful powers is a winning bet for the Town, especially on Day One. Let's look at the options: Idle--gives his name and powers. Doctor is both valuable and self-protecting. Claiming is risky, but not a clear indication of anti-Town behavior. Clear risk for lynching him so early. Risk to lynch today: high Risk to not lynch today: low sinjin--assertive attack on Idle. While annoying, it's a null tell. Could be a Scum trying to get the Town to do their dirty work. Or, could be an overly aggressive pursuit by a Townie of a perceived bad claim. I think the arguments against Idle are poor at this point, but in the larger picture, lynch pressure on him will make a decision of Scum to Night-kill him harder. Risk to lynch today: medium Risk to not lynch today: low molefan--initial vague "claim". Adds some more detail later when under pressure. Claims include no powers that help Town. Risk to lynch today: low Risk to not lynch today: medium Everyone else--I don't have a feel for anyone else. Risk to lynch today: very high Risk to not lynch today: low I'm happy with my vote. I'd like to ask others to reconsider their votes for Idle or sinjin. I think they are poor choices at this point.
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Sept 22, 2008 10:53:12 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Sept 22, 2008 10:53:12 GMT -5
For the record, FlyingDrHorribleOfDoom just made my townie list. I don't see why he would risk candy if he were scum. Right now, I'm thinking that there probably are a couple of scum hiding amongst those are quiet? Any experiences on that (to those who'd tried this more than me)? Unless F_oD knows that the candy isn't harmful based on, you know, outside communication. But because I find the dancing around what his role does but not actually stating his name or anything to be twigging me. Vote Molefan
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