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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 1:20:09 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Sept 28, 2008 1:20:09 GMT -5
Peeker, here's the thing. Your claimed town alignment is completely unconfirmable, by your own admission. We can't risk having you alive, because of the odds that you're lying. And considering you're almost certainly making up that load of hooey about 5 posts in a row, we're left to wonder what else you're making up.
It's nothing personal, but you're going to have to go down. We don't have a choice. Having said that, it looks like Santo is serving up a killer on a platter, and buying you another night.
I want to see what Sinjin comes up with for a claim. And I think we need to hear from Nanook. So right now I'm just going to vote among those that haven't posted yet (yes I know it's the weekend)... random.org sez vote CiaS[/color].
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 4:43:00 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 28, 2008 4:43:00 GMT -5
Well I can see the writing on the wall, and I've been up coughing up a lung all night so may as well get this over with right now, hopefully before the "good" cough drugs take effect and I become even less lucid than normal.
1) I didn't kill Idle.
2) Peeker, you get to live another day and tickle some one else's ass with a feather, probably infecting them with the virus, not the cure. Just makes more sense to me that way. BTW when did you hear that joke? I heard it for the first time at a Nukie construction site in the mid-70's.
3) You (you being town) might want to think real hard about how anti-town Santo's power is and how he utilized it last night in a distinctly anti-town way.
4) I asked Kat/story if I could quote pm's and got this response:
So exalts to storyteller or UATU and away we go.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 4:46:55 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 28, 2008 4:46:55 GMT -5
My role PM in it's entirety.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 4:49:44 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 28, 2008 4:49:44 GMT -5
My night 1 pm from UATU:
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 4:53:52 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 28, 2008 4:53:52 GMT -5
And finally, in the interests of completeness a followup pm from UATU in response to a question I had about my "color."
Turns out there was a slight failure to communicate between Kat and UATU on this one.
See ya later, bye.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 8:04:33 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Sept 28, 2008 8:04:33 GMT -5
And I know that you're a Townie ... how? You are the one who accepted my role claim at face value and wanted to lynch me as a result. So for the How: Look in the fucking mirror. I certainly can't get there based on your nonsense. Look, if I had accepted that you are a townie, I wouldn't want to lynch you. What I accept is that any investigation of you is going to come back "scum".
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 9:36:24 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 28, 2008 9:36:24 GMT -5
Sorry folks, it's taken me ages to reread everything as a player rather than an observer (not such a cool observer as UATU of course *bobs head*) and real life's been a bugger this weekend.
Thoughts so far and aplogies in advance for the brain dump.
Name claiming doesn't seem to be working too well for those who've claimed so far. Day 1 Molefan, Idle and Peeker claimed - Mole got lynched, Idle got killed and it looks like many people would be quite happy to off Peeker.
Day 2 Santo claims Persuasion making Sinjin have to claim Rogue. Now she's got the most votes against her today. More about the Santo/Sinjin thing in a minute.
So yeah, I think name claiming is bad unless there's no alternative ie your head's on the block and it's the only way to save yourself.
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Yesterday people were telling everyone if their names were recognisable and if they were mutants etc. I know squat about the Marvelverse but from what I've read my character's name is recognisable and I'm a mutant too - looks like we probably all are.
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I'd really like to know what exactly Molefan/Arcade can do now, if anything. All we know so far is that he's shambling around speaking in vowels. Can he still vote? Is he here for the rest of the game or do zombies turn to dust after a while? Seeing as Molefan currently has a speech impediment I guess we'll have to waite for Nanook to check in but I'm dying to find out..
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Now to the Sinjin/Santo thing:
When I first read it, before Sinjin posted her role pm I was thinking yeah but just cos she did an action last night it doesn't necessarily mean that action was to kill someone. I wouldn't be surprised if more than one person directed an action at Idle last night - after all, the conversation about did he/didn't he want to play wasted a lot of the first day, there was a whole bucket of WiFOM about whether he was telling the truth or not and frankly those big fonts can be irritating. So at the time I was wondering why everyone was jumping on her so fast.
Glad I was knackered and went to bed before saying that though because now we know she either killed him herself (which I'm still doubtful of) or she's telling the truth about her power to drain everyone else of their power. If she's telling the truth (which I'm inclined to think she is) her win condition doesn't seem to preclude a town win as she can win with us still being alive but depowered, however, I'd quite like to keep my power thanks all the same. Not only that but as her win condition is simply to drain mutants of powers she has no reason to try and target only scum and even if she decided to try to do so she couldn't be sure she was getting it right.
I don't know why Santo/Persuasion assumed Sinjin was the one to kill Idle but he wasn't the only one to think that so I suppose it's understandable. What I don't get is why he picked an action to be redirected to Idle in the first place. I don't think I'd have been confident enough to use that power on the first night on anyone unless I didn't really care what their allignment was so Santo I'm dead suspicious of your motives too and not buying that "I assumed Sinjin was town" crap.
Nevertheless, right now I want to keep my powers intact thank you so
Vote Sinjin
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 10:10:03 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 28, 2008 10:10:03 GMT -5
Yesterday people were telling everyone if their names were recognisable and if they were mutants etc. I know squat about the Marvelverse but from what I've read my character's name is recognisable and I'm a mutant too - looks like we probably all are. No, we all aren't. Molefan was not. Sinjin's PM implies there might be others as well. ("If that player is a mutant....") I had similar thoughts, but I wanted to see more of it play out. Ditto. However, that requires four things: 1) She's absolutely telling the truth about her win condition. 2) story and Kat meant exactly what was written there. The goal clearly implies that if she loses her power before everyone else is dead and loses theirs, she can't win. 3) There is someone out there willing and able to drain her power. 4) She is willing to cooperate with us. It's apparent she can't win with us. As soon as she dies or loses her powers before the rest of us, she loses the game. The only reason she has to help us is to stay in the game longer. Although, it's also the only reason I can see for her claiming the way she did. I'm inclined to believe her for now just because claiming an anti-town role is pretty much a death sentence and is really only done by those who know they are likely dead anyway. She would no doubt have been lynched toDay. So she had nothing to lose. As of Rugger's redirect on her, the game was likely over for her. However, a lynch of her is essentially a mislynch for town. Just as a night kill of her is a miskill for scum. And neither side can really afford to leave her alive until the endgame in case she's got another trick up her sleeve. (E.g. In Apocalypse, Rysto didn't need everybody dead to win, he just needed all scum and all but 2 townies dead.) I'm inclined to believe that isn't the case here, but I have no evidence, so it's still a possibility. I'm not sure if we need to kill her toDay or not. I'd like to find out what others think. Agreed. Her character's very dangerous with its power. We could always agree that should she drain a townie, she dies the next Day. However, if she drains a scum, what's to stop the scum from claiming he's a drained townie? Unless the detectives decide to investigate all claimed drainees. It's an idea and there's probably some huge flaw I'm missing with that. Ditto. Redirectors remind me of blockers. Even if they are town aligned, their power is not necessarily pro-town. They make for much better used scum and PFK powers, because they know who isn't on their side. That isn't to say Rugger's scum. I don't know what he is. (Batman had three pro-town blocker's of various flavors.) Yep. And it was one of things I want to elaborate on. Why did you think Sinjin was town, Rugger?
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 10:14:06 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 28, 2008 10:14:06 GMT -5
If this is in fact your actual role PM, you need to die RIGHT NOW. You admit you're not aligned with the town, and frankly your power (which sounds way overpowered) scares the shit out of me. Don't worry about Santo; if he's lying we'll kill him tomorrow. --FCOD
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 10:17:25 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 28, 2008 10:17:25 GMT -5
If she's telling the truth (which I'm inclined to think she is) her win condition doesn't seem to preclude a town win as she can win with us still being alive but depowered, however, I'd quite like to keep my power thanks all the same. What? The PM says, "YOU, AND YOU ALONE, WIN WHEN: All mutants, including you, are dead or depowered, and you are the last powered mutant to die." So no, her win condition does preclude a town win. If she wins, nobody else does. She must die. --FCOD
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 10:31:33 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 28, 2008 10:31:33 GMT -5
(note that your ability is resolved last among Night powers - whoever you touch on Night One will retain his/her power long enough to use it on Night One.) Idle Thoughts lay sleeping peacefully on the bed therein. Unable to resist the compulsion that had seized your mind, you brushed your hand across Idle's cheek, felt powers flow from Idle into you, and beat a hasty retreat. You are certain of a few things: Idle was alive when you left that room, and you did not return; Idle's mutant power was the ability to generate force fields; you now have the power to generate a force field and protect yourself from harm on Night Two, if you so choose (if you do this, you may not touch and depower another player). That means one of two things: "Kills" are not "powers", and resolve last after all "powers". or Sinjin is lying through her teeth. Frankly, it's WELL worth the death of an exclusive-win PFK to me to find out the answer to THAT one.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 11:00:09 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Sept 28, 2008 11:00:09 GMT -5
If she's telling the truth (which I'm inclined to think she is) her win condition doesn't seem to preclude a town win as she can win with us still being alive but depowered, however, I'd quite like to keep my power thanks all the same. What? The PM says, "YOU, AND YOU ALONE, WIN WHEN: All mutants, including you, are dead or depowered, and you are the last powered mutant to die." So no, her win condition does preclude a town win. If she wins, nobody else does. She must die. --FCOD You're right. I can't see any reason not to lynch her then.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 11:52:05 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 28, 2008 11:52:05 GMT -5
vote sinjin[/color]
That was easy.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 12:59:02 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Sept 28, 2008 12:59:02 GMT -5
Well, I'm back after a girlfriend and football weekend And it seems we have a zero discussion lynch wrapping up. Not saying it's bad as a whole, but it's days like these that seem to hurt town in the long run. I do definitely think that Santo deserves scrutiny for aiming an unknown at idle. But since I was wondering if he was on the up and up too, I'm not entirely sure how bad what he did is. I am going to Vote Sinjinbut I want to come back later in the Day and really try and do more that race to the countdown and off Rogue.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 13:59:30 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 28, 2008 13:59:30 GMT -5
Sorry, I was quite hammered last night when I was composing my post.
I thought I said this last night, but there appears to still be some confusion.
I chose sinjin solely because it would make her turn purple. In the BladeRunner game, she said peeing blue confirmed people as town. I thought it'd be funny to make -her- turn colors this morning.
As for why I assumed she was town, well, I figure 2/3 of the players are pro town. Turns out I was wrong, but regardless of the truthlyness of her claim, she's even worse for the town than Sarah Connor*, and you all know how I feel about that.
I also thought Idles Thought would be protecting himself last Night, so I thought my redirection wouldn't have any real effect.
I'm keeping in mind the possibility that (assuming sinjin is telling the truth) the scum also targeted Idle, but my role still forced a claim from a malicious PFK, if you will. Granted, we lost our Doc, but I think there was a net benefit from my actions last Night.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 14:04:27 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Sept 28, 2008 14:04:27 GMT -5
Day Two vote count:
sinjin (8) – Santo Rugger, diggitcamara, misterblockey, FCOD, zeriel, Almost Human, bufftabby, Darth Sensitive Rysto (1) – peekercpa peekercpa (1) – hawkeye CatinaSuit (1) – KidV
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 14:42:03 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 28, 2008 14:42:03 GMT -5
Santo, either you're a monkey or you're malicious. What the heck were you thinking targeting ANYTHING on Idle?
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 14:49:45 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 28, 2008 14:49:45 GMT -5
I also thought Idles Thought would be protecting himself last Night, so I thought my redirection wouldn't have any real effect. I'm keeping in mind the possibility that (assuming sinjin is telling the truth) the scum also targeted Idle, but my role still forced a claim from a malicious PFK, if you will. Granted, we lost our Doc, but I think there was a net benefit from my actions last Night. There's still the issue of Sinjin claiming that her power is done last after all other night actions. If that's true (and based on the fact that her claim is a full damnation of her guaranteeing her death, there's not a lot of reason to think she's lying about that part) she didn't cause Idle's self protection to fail. So either Idle didn't self protect, or something nerfed it. Maybe a one-shot unstoppable kill power. Maybe a blocker. Maybe another redirector. If sinjin was accurate with her PM saying she got Idle's power, we know he didn't get hit with anything else that would drain his power beforehand.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 14:51:03 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 28, 2008 14:51:03 GMT -5
Also:
Have the mods decided when the end of Day barring countdown trigger will be yet?
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 14:54:59 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 28, 2008 14:54:59 GMT -5
Ok, so I have little doubt that sinjin is a good target: Case 1: She's telling the truth, and is a loose cannon. Case 2: She lying. If that's her cover story, kill her anyway.
Santo targeting the doc smells a little, but it makes sense if he actually believed the doc would be safe. In doing so, he actually depowered the doc, making us loose him. I wonder if sinjin can confirm or deny that she was targetted by santo's power.
Idle claimbing turned out to get him killed, and the town loosing the doc. Bad move.
Some people still suspect Peeker, but I think the foundation for that suspicision is weak at best, however fishy his character may be.. (He's a miller AND he has no way to confirm the protective powers of his feather.. how awful a role is that?)
Santo smells even more to me: As sinjin mentioned, how can his power possibly be pro-town? And wasn't it a little risky to target the potential doc?
One question though: Are townies allowed to discuss things privately (through PMs)?
Finally, I will not vote for sinjin yet, as I don't want to trigger a countdown and risk the day ending early. We still have plenty of time to try to lure out scum..
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 15:31:16 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 28, 2008 15:31:16 GMT -5
Santo, either you're a monkey or you're malicious. What the heck were you thinking targeting ANYTHING on Idle? I figured he'd be protecting himself.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 16:18:14 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 28, 2008 16:18:14 GMT -5
I wonder if sinjin can confirm or deny that she was targetted by santo's power. She's been mod confirmed as being purple. Santo said he turned her purple. That's pretty much as close to proof as you're going to get. Easy. There have been many town redirectors in various games. The fact that Rugger's power also has a noticeable affect on his target (i.e. the purple thing) encourages judicious use of it. (Much like the suicidal vig.) Redirectors and blockers can be potent assets for town later in the game, but in the beginning when town has little info, it's usually better to hold off unless they have a strategic reason not too. Yes. It would have been risky to target anyone, though. Personally, if he was that interested in having fun with Sinjin to get her back for the blue pee thing (which, really, I can't fault him for in of itself, because it is kind of an apt revenge), he should have redirected onto himself. That way he's not potentially harming anyone else. Targeting a player who claimed a very useful town role was extremely bad strategy. Bad strategy does not necessarily equal scum, but it can be part of a larger pattern. But really, I don't think Idle's death was the result of the whole Sinjin and Rugger events of last night. I think they were just coincidentally tangential to them. This doesn't exonerate either of them in any way. But we shouldn't get complacent and think we found the mechanism by which Idle's fate was sealed. He either didn't self-protect, or someone else nerfed his protection. I do think we need to lynch Sinjin to confirm this though. If she does indeed come up as third party Rogue, I don't see why anything in her claim should be disbelieved. If she turns up as scum, well, my theory above is no longer valid. vote Sinjin[/color] This should bring us 3 votes from the countdown. I urge town to not trigger the countdown until the mods answer my question as to when Day ends. No use ending Day early this early in the game. Not unless your role specifically says you can. Although, you can discuss whatever things non-game related you want through PM's, email, whatever. After all, me and two others in this game are working on designing a game that I'll be modding at some point. We have another board we are discussing that game on. Nothing wrong at all with this, since we aren't mentioning this game. Anyone who receives non-sanctioned communication about this game is obligated to report it to the mods. The offender is typically modkilled. However, occasionally mistakes can happen (e.g. Batman, pedescribe's terminator game on the Dope) where accidental information is revealed. The players are still obligated to report the event, but there's typically no punishment (although Batman did end up with a forced substitution, IIRC). Understood, but really as long as you aren't 2 or less away, there's usually not a problem. We should be able to safely accumulate 10 votes for Sinjin before there's risk of triggering.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 16:56:58 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2008 16:56:58 GMT -5
To start things off, here's the color-coded vote count. Since the mods are not being kind enough to post a final vote count, this is based off my own count. If there's an error, please let me know.
Day One
molefan1981 (11) - Pleonast, Darth Sensitive, Kid Vermicious, CatinaSuit, peekercpa, Boozahol Squid, Idle Thoughts, hawkeyeop, sinjin, Nanook, Santo Rugger peekercpa (9) - Greedy Smurf, molefan, bufftabby, FlyingWhateverOfDoom, Rysto, Hoopy Frood, zeriel, misterblockey, Chucara No Vote (5) - NAF, MHaye, diggitcamara, Rysto, Almost Human
Based on mod-revealed info: Unknown, Town, Scum, Survivor
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 17:03:08 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Sept 28, 2008 17:03:08 GMT -5
Pleo, you have me down as both a peeker voter and a non-voter.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 17:10:06 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2008 17:10:06 GMT -5
Next, peekercpa has turned into our new zuma--incomprehensible posts. Try using complete sentences. Please don't use references that are hard to parse. It took we a while to figure out why peeker was talking about investing. He actually meant "investigators".
And peeker, you still haven't answered my questions, originally posed yesterDay: 1. Is there any particular reason you claimed when you did? I didn't notice any pressure on you. Is it because you investigate as scum? Can you elaborate? 2. Do your feathers cure the Legacy virus, or is it purely preventative? That is will they permanently prevent the infection or will they end the infection after it started? Or both?
I'll vote for sinjin later, but I don't want to end the Day early. So, instead, I want to make sure that peeker actually pays attention to my questions (this'll be the third and second times for restating them). vote peekercpa
I want to believe your claim, peeker. But by ignoring my questions and posting incomprehensibly makes me think you're a distracting scum/survivor rather than a Townie. Please convince me otherwise.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 17:11:11 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2008 17:11:11 GMT -5
Pleo, you have me down as both a peeker voter and a non-voter. Yep. I'll have to figure out who I'm missing. It'd be really great if the Mods would actually post the official vote count from Day One.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 17:13:39 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 28, 2008 17:13:39 GMT -5
I've checked my records of the voting.
Rysto voted for Peekercpa in 1.485. The missing nonvoter appears to be Pollux Oil.
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 17:14:50 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2008 17:14:50 GMT -5
Corrected:
Day One
molefan1981 (11) - Pleonast, Darth Sensitive, Kid Vermicious, CatinaSuit, peekercpa, Boozahol Squid, Idle Thoughts, hawkeyeop, sinjin, Nanook, Santo Rugger peekercpa (9) - Greedy Smurf, molefan, bufftabby, FlyingWhateverOfDoom, Rysto, Hoopy Frood, zeriel, misterblockey, Chucara No Vote (5) - NAF, MHaye, diggitcamara, Almost Human, Pollux Oil
Based on mod-revealed info: Unknown, Town, Scum, Survivor
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Day Two
Sept 28, 2008 17:46:59 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2008 17:46:59 GMT -5
Peekercpa, since you're outed, who'd you act on last night if you're willing to share? This is something that would be said by a non-thinking Townie or a scum forgetting what the Town really wants. Stupid action is a null tell, at least until it's a pattern. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Rugger, would you like to make a full PM role claim?
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Sept 28, 2008 17:57:25 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 28, 2008 17:57:25 GMT -5
And finally, in the interests of completeness a followup pm from UATU in response to a question I had about my "color." Turns out there was a slight failure to communicate between Kat and UATU on this one. See ya later, bye. Not to call you a liar or anything, but it was made pretty clear to me that everybody would know when I used my power, because they'd turn purple. Otherwise, I would have probably put some thought into who I was going to chose. I just thought turning you purple would be funny. Not only was it funny, but it also busted you. Score one for the good guys!!!
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