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Sept 28, 2008 21:38:15 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 28, 2008 21:38:15 GMT -5
Naw, that sounds totally out of character for the both of us!
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Sept 28, 2008 21:56:11 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 28, 2008 21:56:11 GMT -5
*starts counting down the minutes until the game is over*
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Sept 28, 2008 21:59:15 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 28, 2008 21:59:15 GMT -5
*starts counting down the minutes until the game is over* Why do you hate Mafia?
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Sept 28, 2008 22:05:34 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 28, 2008 22:05:34 GMT -5
Santo, you're shameless. *takes notes*
The PM formatting thing seems like a big red herring to me, given the vagaries of cut and paste.
Nonetheless, sinjin has to die, so it's a wash.
Peekercpa, someday you will make sense and I'll die of a heart attack.
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Sept 28, 2008 22:25:27 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Sept 28, 2008 22:25:27 GMT -5
So your protection only lasts for one night like a normal doctor rather than the remainder of the game? Nope. Once blood shared you are good for the game. And DC why don't you become my AA and go through the questioms that you think I should answer. That will save me time and cut down on your noise. Thanks a heap, in advance. AA?
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Sept 28, 2008 22:31:33 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 28, 2008 22:31:33 GMT -5
"administrative assistant", maybe?
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Sept 28, 2008 22:34:49 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Sept 28, 2008 22:34:49 GMT -5
Fair enough. Unvote sinjinReasoning: It seems rather likely that the scum faction ventured an attack on Idle to test both his role and his (apparent) unwillingness to play. Sadly, Santo helped them to accomplish the kill they were trying by redirecting sinjin's power. Still: sinjin's role description is not that of a townie. It's that of a third party player. I'd gladly switch my vote to her again, should we not have an acceptable alternate by this Evening.
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Sept 28, 2008 22:39:50 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 28, 2008 22:39:50 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does this part look made up?
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Sept 28, 2008 22:50:15 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Sept 28, 2008 22:50:15 GMT -5
(snip) Thanks, Trying to maintain decorum in DC's library. RIGHT! AND YOU'D DAMN BETTER KEEP IT QUIET!(umm.... and now I'm the one making noise... ). Sorry about that, folks.
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Sept 28, 2008 22:54:54 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 28, 2008 22:54:54 GMT -5
Augh. Ya feebs are gonna give me a worse headache than game analysis usually does.
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Sept 28, 2008 23:11:37 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Sept 28, 2008 23:11:37 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does this part look made up? It certainly seems a little Why would you need to explain you didn't kill someone, when your powers don't include killing people? It may have been a little edit to try and make her look better. I don't expect Sinjin to have a killing power though - there is little canon basis to give Rogue a killing power. In fact the power she has gels perfectly with the Rogue canon. And unless Sinjin has pulled Rogue from nowhere and risked a double damning with a counter-claim I actually buy the basics of the role claim. And I might point out, we can't be sure that Sinjin is responsible for Idle dying. Whether you think Sinjin would think to change her role PM to say her power acts last in a night? In which case the scum went after and were able to kill Idle before he had his powers stripped. Also given Idle's stated aim of exiting the game ASAP, I wouldn't be surprised if he randomly protected someone (or no one at all) to leave himself open for the night kill anyway.
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Sept 28, 2008 23:16:24 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 28, 2008 23:16:24 GMT -5
Also given Idle's stated aim of exiting the game ASAP, I wouldn't be surprised if he randomly protected someone (or no one at all) to leave himself open for the night kill anyway. I don't believe he ever stated that aim that. In fact, I think it's the opposite of what he stated.
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Sept 29, 2008 0:16:06 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 29, 2008 0:16:06 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Crazy day.
My thoughts:
Sinjin should die today, period. If her claim is true, she's way too dangerous to keep alive. If her claim is false, she's probably scum anyway. The only reason I could see sinjin-as-scum making this a false claim is if she's some sort of bomb as her claim is far from benign and non-malicious.
I don't think peeker is scum. I also want to take a hard look at people who are suggesting that we should lynch peeker because we have to lynch him eventually anyway. Peeker exists now as The Obviously Innocent Townie. It's the same dilemma we had with Santo Rugger last game. Either he is who he says he is or he isn't. Period. Yes peeker is a tad bit on the odd side but he's cool. People who are using his "I get 5 posts and my role changes" as something for a reason to lynch him, I just interpreted that as him goofing around because he'd posted so damn much. Did we NOT learn anything from our mistake of tossing Molefan off a cliff?
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Sept 29, 2008 0:18:19 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 29, 2008 0:18:19 GMT -5
Here's my thing. I want sinjin dead due to a simple numbers game.
Unlike other pfk's who may steal a win, but have powers that can be pro town, sinjin's is statistically anti-town.
Bus drivers like santo can play pro town. I played pro town as a bus driver, so whether or not santo is pro town, his power can be played as such.
In a no vanilla game however, there should be more pro town power roles than anti town power roles, therefore sinjin is far more likely to harm town than to help it.
Therefore it's my opinion that even if we find something else scummy, she needs to die asap.
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Sept 29, 2008 0:51:27 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 29, 2008 0:51:27 GMT -5
I don't think peeker is scum. I also want to take a hard look at people who are suggesting that we should lynch peeker because we have to lynch him eventually anyway. Peeker exists now as The Obviously Innocent Townie. It's the same dilemma we had with Santo Rugger last game. Either he is who he says he is or he isn't. Period. Yes peeker is a tad bit on the odd side but he's cool. People who are using his "I get 5 posts and my role changes" as something for a reason to lynch him, I just interpreted that as him goofing around because he'd posted so damn much. Did we NOT learn anything from our mistake of tossing Molefan off a cliff? I dunno; what were we supposed to learn? What about the fact that katmod[/color] answered Hoopy's mod question, but passed right over peeker's, a question which would've lent some credibility to his vaccination claims? Oh, how could anyone be suspicious of him? How very suspicious of me!
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Sept 29, 2008 0:54:15 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 29, 2008 0:54:15 GMT -5
NETA: read "...a question, which, if answered by a mod, would've lent some credibility..."
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Sept 29, 2008 0:54:59 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 29, 2008 0:54:59 GMT -5
you know answering a question that would verify a role would be a bad thing, fairness wise
the game would end up really really easy for town that way, just a lot of well placed mod questions, and presto verification.
I mean if I were modding I would, as a rule, not answer questions that could verify a role publicly.
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Sept 29, 2008 0:56:18 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 29, 2008 0:56:18 GMT -5
Seriously that's a horrible line of reasoning.
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Sept 29, 2008 1:06:08 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 29, 2008 1:06:08 GMT -5
You're right, scratch that. Hadn't really thought that far ahead on it.
BUt it's not like I saw that, and suddenly was suspicious of him, though. The point still stands: it's not stupid or necessarily scummy to be suspicious of peeker, and I don't like Pollux's implication that it is.
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Sept 29, 2008 1:15:33 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Sept 29, 2008 1:15:33 GMT -5
You forgot a few things when you were creating your fake PM, sinjin. First of all, you didn't underline the headings. Second of all, you didn't indent the vital statistics section. Finally, you wrote "Power" instead of "Powers." My PM's formatting and wording matches Santo's and the sample, yours does not. This proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are lying. --FCOD FoS FCODDid you even bother to read the set up? (From here) And seriously, you're jumping on sinjin for copy and pasting instead of quoting. What do you stand to gain by making up extra reasons for a lynch on top of the ones we already have?
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Sept 29, 2008 1:58:36 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 29, 2008 1:58:36 GMT -5
BUt it's not like I saw that, and suddenly was suspicious of him, though. The point still stands: it's not stupid or necessarily scummy to be suspicious of peeker, and I don't like Pollux's implication that it is. That's not what I said AT all. You're taking two separate statements I made and smushing them together into a misrepresentation. I said: I don't think peeker is scum. I also want to take a hard look at people who are suggesting that we should lynch peeker because we have to lynch him eventually anyway. This is a specific point. I'm uncomfortable with people who say "Well, we've got to lynch him at some point." Because we DON'T have to lynch him at some point. We can wait and analyze how he behaves and see if he's scummy or not. WHICH people are doing, that's cool. But "Fuck, he's claimed Miller. Welp, we have to lynch him now." That's just poor reasoning and I'm suspicious of people who want to use that as their main and/or ONLY reason for voting for peeker. THEN I said: People who are using his "I get 5 posts and my role changes" as something for a reason to lynch him, I just interpreted that as him goofing around because he'd posted so damn much. This is me giving an interpretation of an event that has been discussed this Day. Never did I say that I thought people that jumped on him for this were scummy. So yeah, misrepresentation of what I said. I never even implied that I had a blanket suspicion of all people who were just suspicious of peeker. As for learning something from Molefan's lynch, I mean...just because somebody acts odd doesn't mean they're scum. I'll be the first to admit I was suspicious of molefan's behavior and was considering voting to lynch him. But those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. And so far, two of the three people that have claimed in some form on Day One are dead and they were both what they said they were. It's something to think about.
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Sept 29, 2008 2:39:31 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 29, 2008 2:39:31 GMT -5
May I offer a suggestion: Now that the consensus seems to be that we lynch sinjin, I think we should unofficially vote for one more lynching candidate. Not to actually lynch that person, but to achieve the same effects - in an attempt to draw someone out in the open. I'd be willing to count those votes if this seems like a good idea..
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Sept 29, 2008 6:21:03 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 29, 2008 6:21:03 GMT -5
A question for chucara: So, does this mean that you believe peeker's bizarre assertion that if he had been able to get five posts in a row, the mods would've changed his role? That's the only reason I can imagine that you would find suspicion of peeker "weak". Two reasons: I think he was kidding about the five posts? I mean.. I don't know how he usually is, but he doesn't make a lot of sense. If he is being serious, I think there is reason to suspect him. However, lynching him for just being a miller is dumb when there are better targets. Second reason: There is only one dead player, and if his feathers were malicious, wouldn't we know by now? What I do find funny about him / his role is that he is not only a miller, but also one with a protective role that cannot be proven. But this is IMHO not enough to warrent a lynch.
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Sept 29, 2008 6:33:00 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 29, 2008 6:33:00 GMT -5
And can someone fill me in on what happened here? I don't really follow games I'm not in. Rugger filled in on the Batman thing. In pedescribe's Dope game, he didn't realize that the carbon copy function in PM's indicated to everyone all other recipients of the same message. So a bunch of people knew who a bunch of the others were. He reset the game before it even began. It was a (predominately) open setup, so it wasn't that big of a deal.
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Sept 29, 2008 6:40:33 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 29, 2008 6:40:33 GMT -5
You forgot a few things when you were creating your fake PM, sinjin. First of all, you didn't underline the headings. Second of all, you didn't indent the vital statistics section. Finally, you wrote "Power" instead of "Powers." My PM's formatting and wording matches Santo's and the sample, yours does not. This proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are lying. --FCOD I thought it was SOP that slight differences in role PM's really don't matter. After all, I don't think any of the Batman role PM's were written in the same way when it came to underlining, capitalization, etc. Also, the mods in this game have said that both of them wrote the various role PM's, they're not saying who wrote which, and minor differences aren't going to matter. Most people write fake roles to survive in the game longer. Not to tighten the noose around their necks. The only thing Sinjin can hope for with a claim like that (regardless of its truthfulness) is that town allows her to live longer because she can be of some use to it. However, she has not made any case for us to keep her alive. At this point, I have little reason to think it's not the truth.
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Sept 29, 2008 8:11:34 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Sept 29, 2008 8:11:34 GMT -5
Something that was brought up in the Batman game aftermath was that Town lynched perfectly and still came really close to losing. I remember thinking as I watched from the outside that no, town really didn't lynch perfectly in the strictest sense. I'm not just referring to the Catwoman lynch(which was a mislynch in reality, though town had no real way to know). Order that you lynch can matter just as much as who you lynch in certain set ups.
I bring that up in this case because it relates somewhat to sinjin and her claim here. Here we have another PFK sitting in front of us. However, unlike the Batman game, I really don't believe lynching her would be a mistake. Her win condition would classify her as a malicious PFK in that game, and her claimed power is extremely dangerous for town in a game with no vanillas. There's no reason to start the countdown yet though, so I will not be voting for her at this time.
I see a few people are demanding/expecting me to come in here with some big explanation of the zombie. I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen. Yes, I raised molefan. No, I won't tell you what I can/can't do now that I have. No, I'm not a PFK trying for a solo win ala the Necromancer in Conspiracy. I would have to be a complete moron to soft claim the way I did if my goal was to try and solo win via zombie domination. I could have just as easily said nothing, raised my zombie and the town would have been none the wiser. But I stated up front what was happening so that town would not be freaking out over the fact that there are zombies running around.
There is one other thing regarding my role that I will explain at a later time however. I just don't see any burning need to explain it at this time.
Peeker man. I like you, and you strike me as a good player. But you are getting more and more incomprehensible as time goes on. Could you scale back the inside jokes and weird references a little in the interests of clarity?
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Sept 29, 2008 8:15:49 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 29, 2008 8:15:49 GMT -5
FoS FCODDid you even bother to read the set up? (From here) And seriously, you're jumping on sinjin for copy and pasting instead of quoting. What do you stand to gain by making up extra reasons for a lynch on top of the ones we already have? Oh please... I jumped on sinjin long before I noticed the discrepancies in her quoted PM. But you're right, we already found our lynch for the day we should stop looking for anything suspicious!!!! [/sarcasm] I didn't say anything about the "writing styles", I said her formatting was different than the THREE other PMs I can see. Santo made it clear that by just copying and pasting the formatting is lost, which I didn't realize. However, I still think it's strange her PM only says "Power" when the other three PMs say "Powers". But honestly, it makes no difference because even if her PM is 100% true she still needs to die. Her win condition precludes a town win and her power is severely dangerous. --FCOD
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Sept 29, 2008 8:26:07 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 29, 2008 8:26:07 GMT -5
Something that was brought up in the Batman game aftermath was that Town lynched perfectly and still came really close to losing. I remember thinking as I watched from the outside that no, town really didn't lynch perfectly in the strictest sense. I'm not just referring to the Catwoman lynch(which was a mislynch in reality, though town had no real way to know). Order that you lynch can matter just as much as who you lynch in certain set ups. I bring that up in this case because it relates somewhat to sinjin and her claim here. Here we have another PFK sitting in front of us. However, unlike the Batman game, I really don't believe lynching her would be a mistake. Her win condition would classify her as a malicious PFK in that game, and her claimed power is extremely dangerous for town in a game with no vanillas. There's no reason to start the countdown yet though, so I will not be voting for her at this time. I see a few people are demanding/expecting me to come in here with some big explanation of the zombie. I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen. Yes, I raised molefan. No, I won't tell you what I can/can't do now that I have. No, I'm not a PFK trying for a solo win ala the Necromancer in Conspiracy. I would have to be a complete moron to soft claim the way I did if my goal was to try and solo win via zombie domination. I could have just as easily said nothing, raised my zombie and the town would have been none the wiser. But I stated up front what was happening so that town would not be freaking out over the fact that there are zombies running around. There is one other thing regarding my role that I will explain at a later time however. I just don't see any burning need to explain it at this time. How can we trust that you actually are on our side? You haven't done anything so far that indicates you're townie. Sure, you claimed you were going to make a zombie ahead of time, but that doesn't mean you're aligned with town. I, for one, will start getting extremely nervous when you start getting more than a 2 or 3 zombies. Sure, the zombies were good in the Apocalypse game, but that doesn't mean they are in this game. Why should we trust you? Geeks: Is there any Marvel canon associated with zombies? --FCOD
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Sept 29, 2008 8:31:06 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 29, 2008 8:31:06 GMT -5
There is one other thing regarding my role that I will explain at a later time however. I just don't see any burning need to explain it at this time. No, but I think it should probably happen soon.
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Sept 29, 2008 8:52:00 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Sept 29, 2008 8:52:00 GMT -5
Geeks: Is there any Marvel canon associated with zombies? --FCOD Marvel has an alternate universe filled with Zombies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_ZombiesNot something I've ever read though.
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