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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 9, 2008 16:00:53 GMT -5
Maybe he wants you to come down his chimney IF UATU HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME HE'S HEARD THAT ONE......UATU couldn't make change for a dime?
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Post by Chucara on Oct 9, 2008 16:49:21 GMT -5
The huge geek that I am, I've made a vote count database here: www.chucara.dk/mafia/Day 3 is not correct, but I'll fix it tomorrow. I can't analyse the votes without being able to manipulate then a little. Also, I'm a geek and I was bored. If anyone wants some specific information from the database, let me know. Only final votes are saved. Any errors in the vote counts for day 1 and 2, let me know..
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2008 17:35:23 GMT -5
Apparently I got blocked again while involved in self flagellation. Knew it grew hair on your palms, didn't realize their was a coloring aspect.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2008 17:48:04 GMT -5
So now I get to be Barney. Guess it's better than being Queen.
What with all this talk about Santo and chimneys.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 9, 2008 17:50:59 GMT -5
Apparently I got blocked again while involved in self flagellation. Knew it grew hair on your palms, didn't realize their was a coloring aspect. That doesn't sound like a block to me. That sounds like Rugger redirected your action onto yourself. Although, in the end, it acts as a block since you were already immune. Still, I had a laugh at the PM.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Oct 9, 2008 17:52:53 GMT -5
Interesting that a strongman scum has been killed.
I can only presume that we actually do have a Vig or a SK in the game.
I'm presuming that they made an attempt on CatinaSuit probably on Night 2, saw they survived and tried again last night.
Beside that I'm trying to puzzle out what the 2nd attempt says about the killer & his alignment? If you were the Vig and your attack was unsuccessful, would you come out publically? On the option that you may be revealing scum? Or do you just try again yourself?
If you were a SK, wouldn't you just move on to another target? under the presumption you had hit a doc or similiar the night before?
Finally, unless the killer was blocked on one of night 1 or 2, we are apparently dealing with a non-mandatory power - which to me says Vig rather than SK.
And a PS - I am now convined Peeker is not scum - Angel was the Horseman of Death when he was working for Apocalypse, and since we have now got Death (in the form of CiaS) I think that clears Peeker. Peeker could be a PFK I suppose, but why claim miller? when an investigation would reveal that.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 9, 2008 17:53:11 GMT -5
Apparently I got blocked again while involved in self flagellation. Knew it grew hair on your palms, didn't realize their was a coloring aspect. You can't connect the dots? Pleonast is dead, too. He was an investigator. Don't worry, We have a backup... Eh, Anyone a backup backup? I was trying to make the joke that Darth Sensitive wasn't the only one who wasn't paying attention to who died in the Morning.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 9, 2008 17:55:02 GMT -5
So, did you redirect peeker onto himself, Santo?
--FCOD
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2008 18:18:43 GMT -5
Ok.
I am as obtuse as a bag of hammers.
Got it. As Roland would say I don't think around corners well.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 9, 2008 18:19:51 GMT -5
Interesting that a strongman scum has been killed. I can only presume that we actually do have a Vig or a SK in the game. I'm presuming that they made an attempt on CatinaSuit probably on Night 2, saw they survived and tried again last night. Beside that I'm trying to puzzle out what the 2nd attempt says about the killer & his alignment? If you were the Vig and your attack was unsuccessful, would you come out publically? On the option that you may be revealing scum? Or do you just try again yourself? If you were a SK, wouldn't you just move on to another target? under the presumption you had hit a doc or similiar the night before? Finally, unless the killer was blocked on one of night 1 or 2, we are apparently dealing with a non-mandatory power - which to me says Vig rather than SK. And a PS - I am now convined Peeker is not scum - Angel was the Horseman of Death when he was working for Apocalypse, and since we have now got Death (in the form of CiaS) I think that clears Peeker. Peeker could be a PFK I suppose, but why claim miller? when an investigation would reveal that. According to the mafiascum wiki, though, Strongman references a scum who can bypass a Bulletproof townie. Although, in Batman, Sinjin was a Strongman townie, which was essentially a Bulletproof. But I can't see why a vig would have targeted CIAS at this point, particularly twice. He didn't come across as particularly scummy to me, unless I'm missing something. I mean, a SK might really want CAIS dead, but I can't see an SK not just moving on after a failure without a particular reason for wanting CIAS dead. Was CIAS strongman flavor implying he was bulletproof himself or could overcome a bulletproof townie?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 9, 2008 18:23:02 GMT -5
Ok. I am as obtuse as a bag of hammers. Only if they're ball-peen or flat-peen. A claw-peen, wedge-peen, or cross-peen can be fairly sharp actually. (I said "peen".)
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2008 18:41:42 GMT -5
Ok. I am as obtuse as a bag of hammers. Only if they're ball-peen or flat-peen. A claw-peen, wedge-peen, or cross-peen can be fairly sharp actually. (I said "peen".) And I think you are close. But to assure admittance to the buffer ball you had better be explicit and add the I and G.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 9, 2008 19:56:45 GMT -5
I concur, I had not yet encountered the role of strongman previously, and was wondering what it was.
Well. I'm re-reading the past few days now--fresh out of hunches at the moment, since peeker's looking less and less likely.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 9, 2008 19:59:04 GMT -5
er. I concur that I'd like to know more about what CiAS's role implies about his killer, if anything.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 9, 2008 20:04:24 GMT -5
Interesting that a strongman scum has been killed. I can only presume that we actually do have a Vig or a SK in the game. I'm presuming that they made an attempt on CatinaSuit probably on Night 2, saw they survived and tried again last night. Beside that I'm trying to puzzle out what the 2nd attempt says about the killer & his alignment? If you were the Vig and your attack was unsuccessful, would you come out publically? On the option that you may be revealing scum? Or do you just try again yourself? If you were a SK, wouldn't you just move on to another target? under the presumption you had hit a doc or similiar the night before? Finally, unless the killer was blocked on one of night 1 or 2, we are apparently dealing with a non-mandatory power - which to me says Vig rather than SK. The way I see it, we've got a vig that decided to go trolling in the lurker pool and got lucky, or a blocker nailed a SK or scum killer nights One and Two and decided to relax to see if there was anything on the line. I would hope that hypothetical blocker would let us know whats up, if that was the case, it would make today an easy lynch. This could be. I'm still worried that we haven't seen any sign of the virus. I would not be averse to another Peekertrain today, and I'll vote for him if nothing else comes up, but I think I'll focus my attention elsewhere for now. I'm really uncomfortable with the way our lynch went down yesterDay. I think there might be something tasty hiding in there, I'm gonna have me a look-see.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2008 20:12:00 GMT -5
Hey, KidV were you one of those clowns calling for my lynch because (paraphrase) "he's a miller we have to lynch him eventually".
Yes or no is going to suffice.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 9, 2008 20:14:51 GMT -5
I think that if we have only two masons left they should consider claiming, or at least breadcrumbing their other member. We don't want to get in the situation where we have unconfirmable masons. Agreed. Any time there are only two masons left masons should claim. And I agree with hawkeye (is that hawkeye in your av?) - confirmed masons won the last superhero game. What kinda stupid rule doesn't have them all crumble when the leader dies, eh? So that's three on the record for masons claiming, eh? Fine. Fine. If that's what you guys want. Being that this is my first time as a mason, I deferred to my fellow remaining mason to make the ultimate decision on claiming, and he agreed that it'd be fine. Besides, we know what Rysto did last night as well as his powers, and you don't. And scum might know something about us as well (more on that in a bit), so it's better that we reveal all we know anyway. It was decided that I claim first, so here we go. misterblockey and I are the remaining Masons. He should be by at some point to confirm all that I'm posting. Rysto was an odd combo of a partially bulletproof, sacrificial doc, and full-time mason bodyguard. Should he be targeted, he had a 25% chance of surviving. Should a person he's actively protecting be targeted, he had a 25% chance of surviving and they would live. Should another mason be targeted for kill, he had a 0% chance of surviving, and they would live. However, should he be actively protecting that mason and they be targeted, they would live and he had a 25% chance of surviving. So it was pretty much guaranteed that he was the first mason to die. Last night he protected one of the other masons (which one of us is not something I'm going to reveal). Therefore, the only way he could have died was if one of the masons were targeted for a night kill. Now, we don't see any of us having been particularly threatening to scum up until now, but seeing as how it's likely that all horseman have powers, it's possible scum have a detective and had uncovered one of us already. This is one of the reasons we're coming out. If scum knew one of the masons, and town didn't, it gives them an advantage. And we wouldn't know which one of us they had uncovered. It's also possible that the masons were targeted randomly among those who weren't likely to be protected last night. But we know scum had a strongman, it's likely they have a blocker, so it's not too much of stretch that they have a detective as well. Now, like Rysto we have individual powers. Also like Rysto's, they aren't overly powerful. After all, we're Masons, which in of itself is pretty powerful to begin with. However, we have an interesting setup where the first one of us has a currently in-play power that only works while another mason is alive, and the second one has a power that is currently out-of-play and won't activate until the other masons are dead. Additionally, the one with the in-play power also has a different power that activates upon his death should that player be the last of us to die. However the currently inactive power is the most useful of the three powers remaining, so it's better in general if that player is the last mason alive. Why are we telling you this? Simple. Because to fully benefit from our powers, we have to die in a certain order. We were trying to strategize how best to pull this off, but in the end, we decided to go for simplicity. Both of us come out and give scum a nice little cup of WIFOM with how they want to handle us. If they kill the wrong one, they will regret it. But if they don't kill us, they keep confirmed townies alive longer. So they now have a few decisions to make. We'll let them stew over that for a bit. Now I really wish we had some insights to lend to the town, but unfortunately, none of us really have any wise advice at this point. All three of us have been playing the game as individuals while sharing our thoughts with each other. There was no reason for us to really band together unless we were strongly in agreement. Both Rysto and I felt sometime during Day 2 that peeker was not a good lynch choice, but blockey's vote yesterDay before he switched to NAF indicated he felt differently. So don't read anything into the masons agreeing on anything other than it being pro-town players coming to the same conclusions. We all voted individually. A few more observations we've had: Why was story concerned about people metagaming the PM order. Also what did the post at psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=temp&action=display&thread=414&page=2#29642 mean? Why did it matter which post was the official sign up post? Oddly enough, when this question was posed by one of us to the rest, story interjected with the following "Hee hee." Silly WIFOMing moderator. Rysto's protection could be overcome. There is (was?) a mechanism by which someone would be able to get a kill through his protection. This may be a reference to our now dead Death's power of strongman as defined by Mafiascum Wiki. It likely didn't come into play in this case. We have no special knowledge about the Legacy virus.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Oct 9, 2008 20:20:45 GMT -5
According to the mafiascum wiki, though, Strongman references a scum who can bypass a Bulletproof townie. Although, in Batman, Sinjin was a Strongman townie, which was essentially a Bulletproof. But I can't see why a vig would have targeted CIAS at this point, particularly twice. He didn't come across as particularly scummy to me, unless I'm missing something. I mean, a SK might really want CAIS dead, but I can't see an SK not just moving on after a failure without a particular reason for wanting CIAS dead. Ah. My mistake - I didn't bother checking Mafiascum. The only time I've seen a strongman role was in the Batman game were it meant they had a one off immunity to being night killed. Any further thoughts around the death of CiaS will depend upon the mods answer to your question then. If it is like the Batman role - then yes I can't see it being a SK, if they tried and failed to kill CiaS on a previous night, I can't see them bothering to try again, they'd just move on to a different target surely? I can see some reasoning behind a Vig trying a second time, depending upon what sort of info they got. Of course this may all be a moot point if the Strongman role isn't the same as the Batman one.
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Post by Hawkmod on Oct 9, 2008 20:23:18 GMT -5
So masons can communicate during the day?
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Post by Hawkmod on Oct 9, 2008 20:29:11 GMT -5
And I agree with hawkeye (is that hawkeye in your av?) - Yup. Should be more viewable now.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 9, 2008 20:31:52 GMT -5
Hey, KidV were you one of those clowns calling for my lynch because (paraphrase) "he's a miller we have to lynch him eventually". Yes or no is going to suffice. Uh, yes? Without digging through my own post history, I'm pretty sure I said as much, at some point Day one or two. I definitely agreed with the sentiment. I currently believe we'll be able to confirm your motivations without an alignment reveal, so I don't agree with it now. I'm still not comfortable with you, don't get me wrong. But at some point, we're going to get hard evidence that your "attack" is either pro- or anti-town, and since you don't seem to be doing any harm at this time, I'm willing to see what happens.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 9, 2008 20:37:11 GMT -5
Holy shite, Hoopy, that's some intricate stuff, right there.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Oct 9, 2008 20:40:05 GMT -5
We can communicate whenever we wish to, day or night, yes we're both masons.
For further proof, not that we expect to be counterclaimed, but still, we bread crumbed day 1, as we are in fact the famed rasputin children, no I won't tell you which one of us is which, but the key is that we are all in fact russian.
If you look at replies 79-83 on day one you see hoopy and I deliberately misspelling rushing as rushin (sounds like russian) and you see hoopy saying and rysto quoting le boucherie chevaline. I actually still don't understand what that one was but I assume it has something to do with russia or the bony m song Rasputin.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Oct 9, 2008 20:41:43 GMT -5
unfortunately we couldn't breadcrumb the phrase "lover of the Russian queen" into conversation discreetly enough
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 9, 2008 20:42:54 GMT -5
So, did you redirect peeker onto himself, Santo? --FCOD *pats FCOD on the head* Brilliant! So, here's the deal. Peek poked somebody on Night 1. That person should be able to verify that they received a similar "I got poked" PM on Day 2. I'm inclined to believe peek much more than before, but that person stepping forward would be a huge boon to his case, IMHO. I'm still very worried that he may actually be a mad bomber type role, though; hence me making him target himself. If that's the case, it'd be in the Towns best interest to announce if/when we're feathered so that we can make sure the number of those poked doesn't exceed the number of players alive. Until then, IMHO, we should cut the peekster some slack and move on to bigger and better things. And FCOD, just fuckin' with ya, man. ;D
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 9, 2008 20:44:19 GMT -5
So masons can communicate during the day? Yes. We can communicate both Day and Night. We were also able to communicate on Night 0.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 9, 2008 20:44:27 GMT -5
unfortunately we couldn't breadcrumb the phrase "lover of the Russian queen" into conversation discreetly enough Surely you could have worked the tabster in there somehow... put forth some effort, masons. Geez.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2008 21:03:46 GMT -5
So,
KidV you can still get down with a peekertrain today?
Yikes. Are you even reading what is going on?
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 9, 2008 21:26:50 GMT -5
So, KidV you can still get down with a peekertrain today? Yikes. Are you even reading what is going on? Yes, I am reading. And yes, I'm still down with a peekertrain, until/unless we turn up a lynch target that is more likely to be anti-town than you. Are you seriously incapable of understanding what a pile of moist, fragrant, steaming WIFOM you are? You're not confirmed, dude, and until you are I will remain suspicious of the way you claimed.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 9, 2008 21:33:24 GMT -5
Was CIAS strongman flavor implying he was bulletproof himself or could overcome a bulletproof townie? Silly Hoopy, if we wanted you to know the details of the players' powers, we'd have given them to you. What you get at the death of a player is what you get, and all you get.
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