Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 10, 2008 16:11:07 GMT -5
NAF,Why don't you want to lynch Peek today then? If we need to lynch him, shouldn't we do it sooner rather than later, even if it is as already later then it should be? Numbers. We no longer have the player advantage where we can make a mistake. Even though we caught CIAS we lost 2 townies last Night. Take a look at the player list, there is a lot of blue. The risk is now bigger and with the catching of a scum last night, the reward smaller. Right now is no longer a good time. WTF, NAF? IMHO, the risk is the same, the reward is the same. How is it different? It's a Day, it's a Player... his alignment hasn't changed, it seems the net scum/town/PFK ratio is pretty similar...
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Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 10, 2008 16:11:45 GMT -5
AND WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL BURDENING OUR DAY WITH THIS DISCUSSION?!
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Post by Chucara on Oct 10, 2008 16:34:47 GMT -5
Here are some more vote statistics, I don't know if they are helpful. chucara.dk/mafia/index.php?view=trueIt's a rundown of who voted for who on which days. What it does tell us, is that if the votes are correct, Pollux Oil and diggitcamara have only cast one vote each so far across three days, both on day 2 (Sinjin). If this is the case, is there a reason that you haven't voted?
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 10, 2008 16:38:00 GMT -5
AND WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL BURDENING OUR DAY WITH THIS DISCUSSION?! Ok, I will answer your question and then we can move on. First let's examine Peeker as a possible scum sans miller claim. Frankly I don't know. Few people are willing to come clean and tell us what they know about legacy, so my inclination is to believe that it doesn't exist. On top of that his power is weird and out there, but he does seem to have been verified as to poking people with things. Also, CIAS turning up as death lends a touch of creedence to his claim to be Angel.* It may be enough to lynch him if nothing better turns up, but after what happened to Boozy and with CIAS turning up dead, I think something better might come up. It isn't enough to lynch him straight away right yet. Peeker WITH the miller claim. Lynching the Miller just because he is a Miller is not something I still feel comfortable doing right now. We are now 4 Days into the game, and I really think yesterDay was the last chance we had to get his lynch out of the way early. It's why I pushed so hard for his lynch yesterDay. (Aside from the fact that the Boozy lynch was so stupid that UATU commented on it in the color). So, CIAS gives us some better leads and Boozy dieing negates some of the gain that Peeker's lynch would have bought us. And we are down too many town right now (and from a numbers perspective I am counting PFK as town for the time being. See Story's thesis on PFK lynching equaling mislynch in the early game**) for us to lynch a miller just because. We missed our chance and we need to net ourselves at least one more scum before we can be back to that place. And that is assuming that there are 5 scum. If there are more, we are already more fucked than we realized. Peeker now has to more or less become DrainBead in Conspiracy II. Sorry peek. It's a crap position to be in. * (Archangel, whatever. Warren will always be Angel to me. The name change was stupid.) **(not that I don't think that was the right move. But it does put us down a bit further numberswise.)
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 10, 2008 16:38:43 GMT -5
Here are some more vote statistics, I don't know if they are helpful. chucara.dk/mafia/index.php?view=trueIt's a rundown of who voted for who on which days. What it does tell us, is that if the votes are correct, Pollux Oil and diggitcamara have only cast one vote each so far across three days, both on day 2 (Sinjin). If this is the case, is there a reason that you haven't voted? Pollux Oil voted for me yesterDay. Don't know about Diggit.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2008 18:12:18 GMT -5
AND WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL BURDENING OUR DAY WITH THIS DISCUSSION?! Peeker now has to more or less become DrainBead in Conspiracy II. Sorry peek. It's a crap position to be in. <Snipped> Sorry, didn't follow this one very closely. I am assuming that it spells something bad for peekdaddy.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2008 18:22:15 GMT -5
I'm more worried, frankly, about a legacy virus I CAN'T see. That's gastardy in a way I can imagine Story being. Unless peek totally made up the PM he posted Today, we know that the people who get poked by his feather know they got poked. If I don't see some people admitting to such in the next couple Days, that's when I'll start getting suspicious. Until then, not so much. 1. Once per Night, you may select a player and attack them with an edged feather, coated with your own blood. Doing this will mix your blood with that of your target, extending to the player you attack an immunity to the Legacy virus. However, your target will not know that this attack has a beneficial effect, and your action will appear to any interested party to be a (failed) attack on the player in question. Does anyone even read for comprehension? And, I'll have a follow up in a bit.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 10, 2008 18:46:22 GMT -5
Peeker now has to more or less become DrainBead in Conspiracy II. Sorry peek. It's a crap position to be in. <Snipped> Sorry, didn't follow this one very closely. I am assuming that it spells something bad for peekdaddy. Well, it's not bad so much as not much fun for a player. It isn't a totally analogous situation. DB was scum in that game and everyone knew it, but she couldn't be killed without handing the win to a different scum team. So she was kept alive but ignored. The similarity here is that, you can't ever be confirmed and therefore your days are numbered. You are going to be lynched sometime in the near future, just not toDay and probably not toMorrow. And that's kinda a crap place to be as a player, knowing that you are dead but not being able to do anything about it. I was just there in Terminator on the SDMB, it sucks.
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 10, 2008 18:47:53 GMT -5
Good lord. I just finished reading every one of FCoD's posts. Let me tell you, I never wanna look at NPH ever again. Why did I do this? Well, he's been tripping my scumdar, but not for any definable reason. But FCoD is one of those players who always pings me, so I've just kept an eye out. I now see that I'm not the only one (Chucara, also, I believe) being pinged here for no especial reason, so here's a review of FCoD's posts so we can all take a look. I've pulled the posts that seem most relevent, in reverse chronological order, 'cause that's the way the search function delivers 'em. Okay, I understand you're all about establishing that there is a difference between saying you didn't mind losing Boozy's claimed powers and saying that you'd rather lose Boozy's claimed powers than peeker's, and I understand you made that point in this next (well, previous, chronologically) post. Even so, the above post really does state the former, and no amount of context is changing that for me. You were really all over the place with the Boozy issue, and what your vote seemed to boil down to was that his claimed power just didn't match the color of his role. It seems weird to me that you unvoted Boozy after you said his claim didn't feel right, but then you voted for him again, based (from what I can tell) only on the color, seeing as how you explicitly unvote him because you don't think the peeker/roleblocker thing was an actual slip. You also seem all over the place with your peeker and molefan votes/suspicions. This is not meant to be an "OMG, look! FCoD is scum!" sort of post, but more of a way to quantify why you've pinged me. Maybe someone else can see something else in these posts, and explain why you seem scummy or not.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2008 21:34:45 GMT -5
Ok boys and girls here we go.
I've played this game for just a short while. story might be a revered player, but he is also a royal pain in the ass. Every game I play I figure that he is scum with a misdirect. I assume that any game that he is modding is going to be more convoluted. My comment about Roland should ring true. There is not one corner in this game. Kind of like Cube. You folks really need to get out of the traditional methods and guidelines. If town has a chance it is necessary. That's why the normal cliche players must die immediately.
Peek
This message has been approved by the Peek for President campaign.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 10, 2008 21:49:46 GMT -5
I don't know why, but I'm not coming up with anything substantial this game like I have in past ones. I keep second-guessing myself knowing that everyone is a power role and that's going to color people's actions.
peekercpa's second-to-last comment bothers me--my reading of his role PM suggests that his actions will be visible to the target and watchers, but as failed attacks. Since the context of the discussion is that KidV's suspicion level is going to continue to go up unless someone admits to being poked, I'm trying to figure out why peeker's so indignant.
All the more so because his LAST post doesn't make any serious defense--claiming "gastardy mods" is not a self-defense, my man. Define "not one corner" and how you know this. Define what we're supposedly missing in not reading your power "for comprehension".
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 10, 2008 21:55:32 GMT -5
I was going to analyze why it is that FCoD has been itching my brain, but substantially, bufftabby's already covered it. It seems to me that the most damning thing is in fact the reasoning for his vote for boozy over peeker--and frankly, that's not very damning, it could be a judgement call.
I'm getting less and less suspicious of Rugger lately as he seems to be using his swappy power in ways that are visibly useful to town, and no one's counterclaimed him.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2008 22:08:10 GMT -5
Well that would be a huge fucking duh.
Unless someone comes forward saying they are feathered where the PM says clearly that they will not know that they have been feathered is nonsensical. Or purposely obtuse. READ FOR COMPREHENSION FOLKS
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 10, 2008 22:19:18 GMT -5
<i>However, your target will not know that this attack has a beneficial effect, and your action will appear to any interested party to be a (failed) attack on the player in question.</i>
They won't know it's a feather, but that sounds a lot like "the target will see this as a failed attack". I think your interpretation of it as something that can't be tracked by the target unless there's a watcher is awful convenient if you're lying.
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Post by Zeriel on Oct 10, 2008 22:21:00 GMT -5
I cannot code today, I has teh dumb.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2008 22:21:09 GMT -5
Let's see where this goes.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2008 22:26:15 GMT -5
<i>However, your target will not know that this attack has a beneficial effect, and your action will appear to any interested party to be a (failed) attack on the player in question.</i> They won't know it's a feather, but that sounds a lot like "the target will see this as a failed attack". I think your interpretation of it as something that can't be tracked by the target unless there's a watcher is awful convenient if you're lying. Actually, it's a heck of a lot more convenient if you are not in my shoes.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 10, 2008 23:43:13 GMT -5
The player list currently as stands with claims and confirms (confirmed town in blue, confirmed scum in red, confirmed 3rd party in orange):
Alive ------ 1. Zeriel 2. KidVermicious 3. NAF 4. Hoopy Frood - No claimed name -Mason/Special 5. mhaye 6. Almost Human (replaces Roosh) 7. Pollux Oil 8. chucara - Shadowcat - Watcher 9. bufftabby 10. Darth Sensitive 11. peekercpa - Archangel - Miller/Legacy Virus blocker and curer 12. misterblockey - No claimed name - Mason/Special 13. diggitcamara 14. Nanook - Thernodyne - Necromancer 15. Greedy Smurf 16. hawkeyeop 17. Santo Rugger - Persuasion - Redirector 18. FlyingDeadCowofGOB, Esq.
Dead ------ 21. molefan1981 - Arcade - Inventor - Lynched Day 1 22. Idle Thoughts - Dr. Cecilia Reyes - Protective - Nightkilled Night 1 25. sinjin - Rogue - Power Drainer - Lynched Day 2 20. Pleonast - Emma Frost - Investigator - Nightkilled Night 2 19. Boozahol Squid, PI - Nightcrawler - Backup (Investigator) - Lynched Day 3 23. Rysto - Colossus - Mason/Sacrificial Partially Bulletproof Bodyguard - Nightkilled Night 3 24. CatinaSuit - Sebastian Shaw - Strongman (Death) - Nightkilled Night 3
Claimed actions:
Night 0: ---------- No actions taken.
Day 1: -------- No claims.
Night 1: ---------- Nanook raises molefan Rysto protects xxxx Sinjin drains KidV, redirected onto Idle Santo redirects Sinjin onto Idle Something kills Idle peekercpa feathers someone FCOD is blocked chucara visits peekercpa, confirms that peekercpa did something and Toad showed up
Day 2: -------- No claims
Night 2: ---------- Rysto protects xxxx Rugger is blocked peeker is blocked chucara visits Nanook, confirms that Nanook did nothing but was visited by Apocalypse Something kills Pleo
Day 3: ---------- Boozy takes up mantle of investigator
Night 3: --------- Rysto protects another mason Rugger redirects peeker unto himself peeker feathers someone, gets redirected to himself Chucara visits NAF, confirms that NAF did something that night and was visited by Longshot Something targets one of the masons, Rysto dies Something kills CIAS
Day 4: -------- No claims (yet)
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2008 2:07:28 GMT -5
<i>However, your target will not know that this attack has a beneficial effect, and your action will appear to any interested party to be a (failed) attack on the player in question.</i> They won't know it's a feather, but that sounds a lot like "the target will see this as a failed attack". I think your interpretation of it as something that can't be tracked by the target unless there's a watcher is awful convenient if you're lying. Actually it's inconvenient. I have one successful protect under my belt. But that person does not know that they are protected and therefore can't confirm the virus or lack thereof. And now I see the total gastardly story. A fucking miller to protect against a possible delayed action threat. Shit, Mods, you could have at least lubed me before the reach around.
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Post by bufftabby on Oct 11, 2008 2:41:31 GMT -5
On the subject of mad bombers and the like: if you had the Legacy Virus on tap, wouldn't you be pretty tempted to ride the storm out until peeker got offed, so nobody would buy his claim? When I was the Ceiling Cat, I struck Day 1 (come on, her name was Kat[/color], it had to be done), but then didn't again for a few Days, because I didn't want to be caught out, or risk selecting someone who might die off and therefore lose usefulness to me. If we've got one of those lurking about, for whatever reason, they simply might not be infecting anyone just yet.
Sure, peek might be lying, but I can see legitimate reasons why we might not yet know of a Legacy infection, mainly that the Infector is laying low.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 11, 2008 4:16:26 GMT -5
Let's see where this goes. Wait, what? Where did this come from? Who are you quoting?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2008 7:36:03 GMT -5
Sorry, chucara even more out of context than usual.
This is the PM I sent story and kat that generated the response I quoted.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2008 7:53:38 GMT -5
Which, of course generated this reply.
I like dickin' with the Mods. Just ask KidV about Gastard. I was offed on Day one but had a tremendous amount of belly yucks for about six hours during set up. Was worth every PM I got.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 11, 2008 8:00:47 GMT -5
Ok, well that atleast means that people die from the virus - and not just lose their powers. This means that confirming your claim is just a matter of waiting to see if someone dies. Again, the more days that pass without casulties, the more suspect you look.
However, is it not also possible that CiaS died from the virus? This means that pestilence is not the spreader, but it has to be a third party.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2008 8:11:18 GMT -5
These are the questions yet to be answered. This is my last PM to story and kat. If they'd like to post here directly that would sure save a lot of keystrokes.
The six * are for person and the four * are for gender.
I don't promise to follow that format consistently.
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Post by Almost Human on Oct 11, 2008 8:25:10 GMT -5
Ok, well that atleast means that people die from the virus - and not just lose their powers. This means that confirming your claim is just a matter of waiting to see if someone dies. Again, the more days that pass without casulties, the more suspect you look. However, is it not also possible that CiaS died from the virus? This means that pestilence is not the spreader, but it has to be a third party. That's a good point. There was something odd about that death and him being infected could explain it: Doesn't sound like a direct attack really. Mind you if CIAS knew he'd been infected surely even as a scum he'd have asked to be feathered by Peeker. Though maybe he hoped for the best and that it wouldn't lead to his death. I think it's worth remembering but not bothering about too much unless someone else turns up dead in the same way. Though if they do you could be right about the virus spreader being a pfk.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 11, 2008 8:27:45 GMT -5
Ok, well that atleast means that people die from the virus - and not just lose their powers. This means that confirming your claim is just a matter of waiting to see if someone dies. Again, the more days that pass without casulties, the more suspect you look. However, is it not also possible that CiaS died from the virus? This means that pestilence is not the spreader, but it has to be a third party. Does a death by Legacy show as such or do they just show up dead. And if it's the latter fuck you very much.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 11, 2008 8:33:02 GMT -5
If people knew they were being infected, peeker's role would be way too powerful - especially if the incubation time is 3 Days. (I'm assuming here that CiaS was infected on Night 1, and died from it last Night - it could also be less)
If people would know about their infection, it would merely be a matter of asking for a cure from Peeker.
Can anyone from scum confirm that they are not responsible for the virus?
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Post by Chucara on Oct 11, 2008 8:38:29 GMT -5
For those not familiar with Marvel's `Age of Apocalypse´ (like myself), I've discovered that the original horsemen were: Famine (Ahab), Pestilence (Caliban), War (Deathbird), Death (Erik the Red)
Seeing as this does not match CiaS's role, we can conclude that we don't know who the other horsemen were..
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Post by Chucara on Oct 11, 2008 8:46:27 GMT -5
Btw. what's everyone's take on the Mason claims by Hoopy and blockey?
Personally, I'm inclined to believe
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