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Post by Nanook on Oct 20, 2008 14:19:57 GMT -5
What a bizarre Day. I wish I hadn't been so busy, since everything seems to be going down at once.
Peeker, would you please be a little clearer about what you are accusing people of? Is it your contention that I, or at least my role name of Threnody, someone attacked you last Night and failed? I had a theory regarding this, but it'll have to hold off since there's been an interesting development re: peeker.
Hoopy, I'm willing to give your idea a try. I'll place my vote on you for now, with the possibility of moving it later if the voting situation warrants it.
Vote Hoopy Frood[/color]
Right now the most suspicious people to me are NAF, for all the reasons I have previously stated as well as the possible investigation result that Pollux is claiming, and MHaye, for many of the same reasons others have stated. He is playing very different than he usually does, which is often a sign of a non-town alignment.
For clarity's sake, my role name is Threnody. I have never claimed anything else.
And we have yet another detective/investigator claim. Oh so many of them in this game, yet it doesn't actually seem that far fetched since each one seems to have different limitations. Except Pollux's. No restriction that I can see, and an investigation result that contradicts a previous claim.
You say that you investigated Peeker and came up town. Yet Peeker has claimed to be a Miller that would come up scum if investigated. This is obviously contradictory and I would like to hear from both of you as to how this is supposed to be true.
Did I miss anything?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 20, 2008 14:21:38 GMT -5
You say that you investigated Peeker and came up town. Yet Peeker has claimed to be a Miller that would come up scum if investigated. This is obviously contradictory and I would like to hear from both of you as to how this is supposed to be true. Well well well, looks like you may have caught someone in a lie. ::waits for explanation:: --FCOD
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 20, 2008 14:24:44 GMT -5
Well, well, well. NAF is PFK, which would not surprise me at all the way he's been playing, OR Pollux is a lying bastidge. Or both, I guess.
I too am very interested in an explanation, Pollux.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 20, 2008 14:29:53 GMT -5
Dueling PMs! Here are the relevant bits: Peeker'sPollux Oil'sCan they both be true? Seems unlikely to me... --FCOD
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 20, 2008 14:30:31 GMT -5
Ah. I think I found it. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, though.
For now, I'm going to Vote NAF[/color]. A bit OMGUS, I admit, but I think he's pushed himself in front of Mhaye on my list. I'm going to switch to Pollux on general principles if I'm wrong and turns out to be lying.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2008 14:36:39 GMT -5
Firstly, FCoD, I claimed Scott Summers, note the avatar change. Get off my shit or build a case. I am tired of vague accusations (not just at me, but in general.) On that note... Thanks UATU! I think that the case against MHaye stinks. I also don't think that KidV has done anthing or claimed anything to make me change my mind about him from yesterDay. vote KidVThe Kid just pings me as being opportunistic. I wondered if you were going to bring that up and attempt to actually, you know, make a case, or if you were going to try and pretend it never happened. You've done neither. Congratulations on surprising me. Whats wrong with the case against Mhaye? I'm not sold yet, but I'm seriously considering voting for him, and as the only one to object against it, I'd really like to hear why say you think what he's doing isn't scummy. Of course, this means you're going to have to actually substantiate an opinion... you've been trying to get random shit to stick somewhere all game, and nobody has really called you on, with the exception of a late bandwagon that never really gained steam. Well, I'm calling you out. I don't think you're playing town. First off Kiddlet, I feel like I know ya a bit after Gastard, and there is something off about the way you are posting. Add to that your immediate repush for Peeker yeserDay (was it yesterDay? It might have been the Day before, either way) and you were at the top of my list as being out of character and opportunitstically pushing for the easy lynch. But that wasn't enough for me to really build a case. So, I was more or less waiting for you to make a post like this one here. Let's break down this post and see why it is scummy, shall we? This here is WAY unnecessarily agressive for what ammounts to a repeated one off vote from me. It makes me think I am hitting home in my accusation. There is lots wrong with the case against MHaye, much of it hinging on the fact that he is unwilling to name claim. My feeling is that the scum have all been given cover names and at this point absolutely have cover power PM's. There is no reason for scum not to name claim unless they want to die. That being said, what does this have to do with you? Well, you waffle in your statment. You use me thinking that the case against MHaye is weak against me, but you also say you aren't sold, but you also say you will probably vote for him. Scummy six ways from Sunday. Well, I'm calling you out. I don't think you're playing town I have been substansiating my opinions all game long whenever asked. Sorry I ran into some personal time crunch issues in the last Day or so, and if it makes you feel better I will probably be subbing out at the end of the Day since I have to start training a new employee Monday and won't be able to finish the game. But find me an instance where I have not explained my logic. The only single time I haven't supported an opinion (without explicitly stating that I couldn't support it) was when I voted for you yesterDay on the coin flip vote. And even then I said it was because I wanted to get my suspicion on record, but that I hadn't had time to catch up on the Day. So the above quoted statement is really kinda a lie. Add to that you stated a preference for people not voting when you complained about the last time I voted for you. Not good my friend. Show me. Show me what I have done that hasn't been in the best interest of the town. Show me what I have done that hasn't attempted to get the town to exhibit proper play. Show me this "random shit" I have been trying to get to stick. You lie. You say I am not playing town, I am telling you that most of the town isn't playing town. It's like I am in a freakin production of Rhinosauras over here. I am sitting back trying to get the town to follow the accepted philosophy of "what is right" like DONT LYNCH CLAIMED COPS! And am getting accused rather groundlessly from, You, FCoD, Blocky, and Pollux. I don't think all of you are scum though. Mostly I just think you are Kid. But town seriously needs to start playing this this with it's head on straight. I don't know when we all caught the stupid, but there is some fucked up play going on in this game. S'why I asked FCoD to kindly back off my shit, and am now asking MHaye to stop being a brat and claim. I think you are both town, but neither of you are acting in the town's best interest. I will now take my lynching or vigging or what have you like a man because I don't really believe that most of you are going to read all of this, let alone actually listen to me. At the start of the game I sent a PM to story about how I was adopting a new strategy called "let's try to not intentionally get ourselves lynched this game" but fuck it. That wasn't really any fun. FYI, there is a good likely hood that this will be my last post of the Day.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2008 14:39:34 GMT -5
Oh, and NETA:
I am not PFK I am a survivor. I win or lose if I am alive at the end of the game. I steal no one's win and win with either side.
I can confirm Pollux is telling the truth about that.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 20, 2008 15:28:45 GMT -5
This post started as a response to a post by by Chuchara, but since he's not the only one worried about my vote record, I decided to deal with the issue in its own post. Let's keep things neat and easy to respond to. My post on Day 1 discussing my vote (or lack of it) was D1.511. Try and put yourself in my position here. I had three realistic choices; vote for (i) Molefan, (ii) Peekercpa, (iii) someone else or (iv) no-one. Vote Molefan? I couldn't see a scum claiming in a way that brought so much suspicion. If he had been following the plan I mentioned, he'd have had to have a Great Revelation that he was not scum – from another person – up his sleeve. No such thing happened. Peeker? At that point, I viewed him as someone who had made a reasonable claim – I might well have done the same thing in the place he claimed to be in. Plus, there was the chance that as the game unfolded we might learn something shedding a light on the claim. Someone else? Who? To be frank, any choice I made at that point might as well have been made by rolling the dice and seeing who came up. A random vote tells people nothing. It's meaningless. I don't use them myself for that reason. It's just posting for the sake of posting. So there was no-one I wanted to vote for. At this point I went back to the lead candidates, on the grounds that if I found one scummier than the other I could vote for that player and promote the lynch I felt more likely to favour Town. I didn't think, on review, that either of the lead candidates were significantly more likely to be scum. So, I sat back and watched to see if anyone did something to swing the vote one way or the other, and why, in the last 30 minutes. If that had happened I could react and attempt to swing the vote back. I have nothing to say about my vote on Day 2. Day 3. Once again, as the Day developed, I had no handle on scum. Once again, towards the end of the Day two major candidates emerged, Peeker (again) and BS PI. I spent some time dithering over the issues, at which point I still hadn't decided. Ultimately what it came down to was that Peeker's claim was a better fit to canon. Having decided that I would rather BS PI be lynched than Peeker, based on what I knew of their roles, I voted to ensure that the lynch went the way I wished. I've already discussed Day 4 in post D5.83. I don't want to copy it in here. That's the whyfore of my voting record. If I were you, I wouldn't like it either; but the truth is the only defence I have.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 20, 2008 15:59:11 GMT -5
Glad to see a response from Mhaye - although no adressing the missing name claim again. It is a weird thing to do for both scum and town alike. But if you are town, please consider see this from everyone else's perspective. We obviously don't trust anyone per default, and you are doing something deliberately without offering an explanation. If you were refusing to claim for reasons relating to your character, just say so. But again: I can't see the harm in a name claim, when we already have established that canon doesn't hold for some of the characters.
But enough about Mhaye. I will unvote mhaye for now. Not that I find him one bit less scummy because of his last post, but rather because something is foul regarding peeker/pollux.
Truth be told, I'm really tempted to vote Pollux right now. As I see it, there are these options: - Pollux is telling the truth, and peeker is town lying about being a miller (Makes no sense) - Pollux is telling the truth, and story/kat made a mistake in the night pm. (Which would kinda ruin the game for town) - Pollux is lying
I simply can't see option one or two being true, unless peeker is an absolute idiot or has a reason I don't see right now. I don't know him well enough to judge the first, so you tell me.
The second choice could be potentially gamebreaking for town, so if this is the case, I'd hope story or kat did something about it.
This leaves only option 3. I won't place my vote yet, as I really want to think this through before lynching another investigator, but something smells right awful here.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 20, 2008 16:04:28 GMT -5
Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the following people still haven't posted a reponse to name claim or an actual claim:
Darth Sensitive mhaye hawkeyeop
Am I the only one thinking this is in the best interest of town to do so? If so, I'll shut up.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 20, 2008 16:18:24 GMT -5
You say that you investigated Peeker and came up town. Yet Peeker has claimed to be a Miller that would come up scum if investigated. This is obviously contradictory and I would like to hear from both of you as to how this is supposed to be true. From my role PM: Neither me nor Peeker is lying. So far, everybody has been working under the (false) assumption that there was no way to prove Peeker was town. But in fact, my detective powers are always right, the trade off is that I won't always get a reading. I investigated Peeker Night One because I figured I was the only one that could get a correct reading on him, and I've been very adamant about not lynching Peeker since Day Two after I got my investigation back. In addition, if I investigate the Godfather of the scum (if there is one, there probably is considering my ability but you never know) they will come back as scum to me if my investigation succeeds. I'm hoping this makes sense to everyone.
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Post by Chucara on Oct 20, 2008 16:40:16 GMT -5
Hmm.. That surely changed things again. Unless someone thinks it is unlikely that Pollux is able to always know the truth, Pollux (and peeker) is off the hook. This being my first game, I don't know if such a power is unlikely or not.
For tomorrow, I'll consider either voting for NAF (to confirm 3 townies) or for Mhaye (to lynch a potential scum). I urge people to get votes in early this time so we don't wind up with a last minute lynch again.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 17:48:04 GMT -5
For tomorrow, I'll consider either voting for NAF (to confirm 3 townies) or for Mhaye (to lynch a potential scum). I urge people to get votes in early this time so we don't wind up with a last minute lynch again. NAF coming up 3rd party will not confirm Pollux as town. All it will confirm is that Pollux is right about NAF being 3rd party. And we already have confirmation on that from NAF himself on that front. Now, the only thing that lynching NAF will give us at this point that we don't already know is that if he comes up scum, we know that Pollux is lying and we lynch him as well. I really can't see scum pulling a gambit like this at this point. And I'm not saying this from a "scum would never do this" standpoint, but from a "to me scum doing this seems incredibly stupid for scum when they are in a better position to win this thing right now than town is" standpoint. See, Pollux could be scum detective. If he's alignment only, his purpose is only to out 3rd parties for the scum. The only reason I see for this is if there are some truly powerful 3rd parties that are a big risk to scum (like Batman had). However, the fact that scum have yet to whack any 3rd parties, even after exposing one, leads me to believe that this is unlikely. (Scum would no doubt figure out that the alignment-only cop would mean they needed to whack third parties, otherwise, what would be the point of being given one?) So I don't think him being a scum alignment cop is likely at all. I would expect NAF to be dead if he were. However, he could be a scum role cop. Peeker would be a great choice for any detective that could determine power, so he makes a natural first night choice. NAF would also be a good choice due to the heat he's taken. But, his detective claim is testable, so regardless of alignment, I'm pretty sure he is a detective. After all, to false claim detective when there are third parties about is suicide. All it takes is one of your phony investigations to turn up opposite from what you claimed, and you are outed. Granted the "fail" chance combined with our likely scum blocker gives a lot of breathing room here, but it's still a bit risky when there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason for scum to risk it. And I was also going to point out his "always accurate" thing. The fact that it was mentioned and is balanced out by the 50% fail rate makes for a role that is not game-breaking in any way. (And on a side note, his character reminds of my Rochambeau Warrior character I submitted for the gastard game. The gist was he threw Rock, Paper, or Scissors against his target. On a win, he got full role and alignment, 100% accurate. On a push, he got alignment only, and it could be fooled by millers and godfathers (i.e. a standard alignment cop), on a loss he gets nothing. That character was relatively balanced from the perspective of there not being many detectives running around. With the number of detective types in this game, Pollux's claim seems to gel fine with them without being overpowered. Story was also one of the designers of the gastard game, so seeing those roles we all submitted poppin up in other games shouldn't come as a surprise. Granted, Pollux has no doubt seen the role, so he could have concocted his claim from it. On another side note, the Rock, Paper, Scissors mechanic was used for Bufftabby's LOLCat.) But anyway, I'm inclined to believe he's town for now. If scum kill him, they will confirm everyone on his list, which will bring us more confirmed townies, something we desparately need right now. If they leave him alive, he can confirm more town or out scum. And if he is town, my scumdar sucks this game, because bufftabby was pinging me. I was getting vibes of Doperville from her, oddly enough as my vibes from peeker decreased, my vibes from her were steadily increasing.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 18:02:14 GMT -5
NETA: Another point in Pollux's defense, if we find the horsemen's powers are in the flavor of their domain, I can't really see a detective fitting in with any of the domains.
And we can pretty much rule him out of being Apocalypse, since there are people around who can out his name if he were lying about being Toad. Also, he could be counterclaimed by the real Toad, etc.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 18:16:13 GMT -5
Now, as far as NAF goes, I say we leave him be for now. Yeah, he claimed survivor which is the default 3rd party claim, but even if he's lying, right now scum are a bigger threat to us. They have clearly shown they are gunning for town. And a lynch of NAF will be half a mislynch for town. So since we've already lynched one 3rd party, we will now have an additional mislynch under our belt should we take him out. (Yeah, Sinjin had to be lynched because her power was far more devastating to us than scum due to the numbers.)
We've had no indication so far that he's any threat to us, either. If he's scum with Pollux, well that should come out fairly soon. If he's 3rd party sole-win, it'll eventually be hard for him to hide his power.
So I think I'm going to start looking at those who are unknown and haven't come under any heat.
But I would like to see a PM role-claim from you NAF. Feel free to snip any useful powers you don't want exposed, but I want to see what your win condition is. I'm also genuinely curious as to what powers a survivor role would be given that would make them useful to keep around. It's your call on how much you want to reveal for now.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 18:23:06 GMT -5
The player list currently as stands with claims and confirms (confirmed town in blue, confirmed scum in red, confirmed 3rd party in orange):
Alive ------ 2. KidVermicious - Professor X - No Claimed Power 3. NAF - Cyclops - No Claimed Power/3rd Party 4. Hoopy Frood - No claimed name -Mason/Special 5. mhaye 6. Almost Human (replaces Roosh) - Gambit - No Claimed Power 7. Pollux Oil - Toad - 100% accurate/50% miss chance Alignment cop 8. chucara - Shadowcat - Watcher 9. bufftabby - Multiple Man - No Claimed Power 10. Darth Sensitive 11. peekercpa - Archangel - Miller/Legacy Virus blocker and curer 12. misterblockey - No claimed name - Mason/Special 13. diggitcamara - Jean Grey - No Claimed Power 14. Nanook - Threnody - Necromancer 16. hawkeyeop 17. Santo Rugger - Persuasion - Redirector 18. FlyingDeadCowofGOB, Esq. - Longshot - No Claimed Power
Dead ------ 21. molefan1981 - Arcade - Inventor - Lynched Day 1 22. Idle Thoughts - Dr. Cecilia Reyes - Protective - Nightkilled Night 1 25. sinjin - Rogue - Power Drainer - Lynched Day 2 20. Pleonast - Emma Frost - Investigator - Nightkilled Night 2 19. Boozahol Squid, PI - Nightcrawler - Backup (Investigator) - Lynched Day 3 23. Rysto - Colossus - Mason/Sacrificial Partially Bulletproof Bodyguard - Nightkilled Night 3 24. CatinaSuit - Sebastian Shaw - Strongman (Death) - Nightkilled Night 3 1. Zeriel - Reaper - Role-blocker/Vigilante - Lynched Day 4 15. Greedy Smurf - Cypher - Investigator (Coroner) -Nightkilled Night 4
Claimed actions:
Night 0: ---------- No actions taken.
Day 1: -------- No claims.
Night 1: ---------- Nanook raises molefan Rysto protects xxxx Sinjin drains KidV, redirected onto Idle Santo redirects Sinjin onto Idle Something kills Idle Zeriel blocks FCOD chucara visits peekercpa, confirms that peekercpa did something and Pollux showed up peekercpa feathers someone Pollux investigates peekercpa and finds he's town Greedy Smurf autopsies molefan/Arcade
Day 2: -------- Greedy Smurf autopsies Idle/Cecilia Reyes
Night 2: ---------- Rysto protects xxxx Zeriel blocks Rugger peeker is blocked (door jammed) chucara visits Nanook, confirms that Nanook did nothing but was visited by Apocalypse Something kills Pleo Greedy Smurf autopsies Sinjin/Rogue Pollux investigates bufftabby and finds she's town
Day 3: ---------- Boozy takes up mantle of investigator Greedy Smurf autopsies Pleo/Emma Frost
Night 3: --------- Rysto protects another mason Rugger redirects peeker unto himself peeker feathers someone, gets redirected to himself Chucara visits NAF, confirms that NAF did something that night and was visited by Longshot Something targets one of the masons, Rysto dies Something kills CIAS Greedy Smurf autopsies Boozy/Nightcrawler Pollux investigates NAF and discovers he's 3rd party
Day 4: -------- No claims
Night 4: ---------- Rugger redirects Nanook unto Zeriel Nanook does nothing and does it near Zeriel's body; returns to room to find his door jammed Chucara visits Hoopy. Hoopy did nothing (confirmed) and was visited by no one (confirmed) Pollux investigates DiggitCamara and fails on miss chance
Day 5: ---------- No claims
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 18:25:00 GMT -5
So FCOD, anything you want to add to this NAF thing since you visited him?
(And I probably should replace Longshot with your name in the Night 3 Chucara action.)
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 20, 2008 18:53:49 GMT -5
So FCOD, anything you want to add to this NAF thing since you visited him? (And I probably should replace Longshot with your name in the Night 3 Chucara action.) No. My night action is kind of a crap power, such that it probably didn't even change anything for NAF. I'd be shocked if it did. --FCOD
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2008 18:57:55 GMT -5
So FCOD, anything you want to add to this NAF thing since you visited him? (And I probably should replace Longshot with your name in the Night 3 Chucara action.) I have two powers both of which are more helpful to town than not. One leads to an UBER specific solo win condition that is already out of the running for me (all horsemen had to be alive at endgame ) the other is to help keep me alive. I will also come out and say that I lied about being Scott Summers. It was the cover role given to me, but at this point I frankly want town to turn around their idiocy and pull out a win so I will tell you everything I know. I would rather get killed than sub and the game will more or less end for me on Monday no matter what. It would be cool if I wasn't killed, but do what you guys have to do. On talking to the mods I found that I could get a percentage of correct guesses when I submit my list. So I have been using it as an investigative tool. It won't get my sinister, but I know who several of the horesmen are not. I also know for a fact that KidV is a horseman. Lists, this is the good stuff. Night 1: Peeker Zeriel KidV Hoopy There is one horseman on this list. Night 2 Peeker CIAS Rysto MHaye There is ONE HORSEMAN on this list. Peeker is not a horseman and KidV must be one by process of elimination. Night 3: Almost Human Pollux Oil Chucara Bufftabby There are NO HORSEMEN on this list. This doesn't mean one of them couldn't be sinister, but none of them are horsemen Night 4: KidV Darth Diggit Nanook There are TWO horsemen on this list. I am inclined to believe Nanook, but that doesn't really matter. One of the three in Nanook Darth and Diggit is a horseman. Actions. Less usefull information here. Night 1 I picked: Boozy as my target the machine set to random. He was protected that Night. Night 2 I picked: Nanook as my target again set to random. He was blocked that Night. Night 3 I picked: Bufftabby as my target, set to random. She was protected that Night. Night 4 I picked: FCoD as my target set to random. He was protected that Night. So that is all the info I have. Hopefully with the info from Pollux, who I consider to be almost 100% confirmed town can turn this around and bag it up. I was playing to win with the town the whole time, so a bid middle finger to all of you who said I wasn't playing townie. Then again one of those was KidV. If I am kept alive, I promise to continue to use my powers for good and help us nail the last horseman.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 18:59:29 GMT -5
I'm going to vote hawkeyeop.
He's posted a lot, but it's pretty much been rehashing the same attacks on the same targets, and all the targets have been easy. He's hounded peeker, molefan, and nanook, and each one of them are the types that one can easily feign innocence for should they be confirmed town when they die. He's playing it very safe. To go along with this, he also hasn't name claimed, which while I understand he had concerns on night 0, his reasons were because there were unknowns that could get us in case of the claim. However, at this point with so many claim out, the unknowns are considerably less of an issue. It follows his pattern of playing it safe that he's done this whole game. It's as if he's intentionally trying to avoid scrutiny by choosing the path of least resistance.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2008 19:02:31 GMT -5
I'm going to vote hawkeyeop. I am not saying this is the wrong choice, but I am saying you might want to take a look at my last post before you decide not to go with KidV.
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Post by NAF1138 on Oct 20, 2008 19:04:24 GMT -5
On that subject.
What am I doing wrong here? I wrote a whole post outlining the dripping scum tells coming off of KidV, and I knew what to look for because I knew he was scum, and no one gave it the time of day.
Even when I know beyond a shadow of doubt that I am right I can't convince anyone to vote with me.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 20, 2008 19:25:20 GMT -5
peeker - winner gets the message of his choice in the losers sig for one month? And it seems nobody is going along the enigma that is the Nanook situation. WHAT WE KNOW: Nanook is purple. (opening post) WHAT IS CLAIMED: Nanook claims to raise zombies (old) Santo claims to have redirected Nanook to CiaS (reply 1) but actually Zeriel (r8) Nanook didn't submit his action (r2) Nanook was blocked (r17) Peeker was attacked by Nanook (r69) Something is rotten in Denmark. I'm going to: Vote Peeker[/color] As a Nanook attack requires lies by both nook and rugger. But Peeker could say that he was attacked without any evidence belying that. But I'm unsure as to why he would do so after the other claims were made. I am perplexed and not entire locked in on my vote. [/quote] Well I only know what story[/b PMs me. For all I know Santo could have redirected Nannok to me. Still trying to catch up.
And the bet sounds fine with me. You may have to help me set it up but I am a man of my word and I figure that you won't have any problem in that regard. And just to show you my nature, it's not like I will go dark for a month either. And you guys got hosed on the BCS standings. If you are going to the game look me up and I'll buy you a beverage of choice.
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Post by Almost Human on Oct 20, 2008 19:37:55 GMT -5
On that subject. What am I doing wrong here? I wrote a whole post outlining the dripping scum tells coming off of KidV, and I knew what to look for because I knew he was scum, and no one gave it the time of day. Even when I know beyond a shadow of doubt that I am right I can't convince anyone to vote with me. I'm inclined to believe you. The role claim makes sense and the numbers add up etc. Anyway if you're lying about Kid then we get you tomorrow so it seems like a fair trade. It's also worth confirming you for the information. I realise knowing that some of us aren't horsemen doesn't preclude us being Sinister but it's a start. I'm still suspicious of Diggit but I think we'll get more out of this. Unvote Diggit Vote KidV
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Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 20, 2008 19:41:16 GMT -5
On that subject. What am I doing wrong here? I wrote a whole post outlining the dripping scum tells coming off of KidV, and I knew what to look for because I knew he was scum, and no one gave it the time of day. Even when I know beyond a shadow of doubt that I am right I can't convince anyone to vote with me. Calm down, calm down, I just haven't been reading. Your claim is good enough for me. Unvote. Vote KidV--FCOD
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Post by Almost Human on Oct 20, 2008 19:43:17 GMT -5
Though just to add to that I can't say I saw KidV as being particularly scummy. Maybe he seemed more so to you because you knew his allignment. Regardless, it still seems like a good way to get the information you've given us confirmed.
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Merestil Haye
FGM
Grudge Keeper
[on:Slumming it in the Middle-Earth][of:In the halls of Manw
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 20, 2008 19:44:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure where to go from here. I have (Chuchara's claims notwithstanding) already explained why I have not nameclaimed up to now; because I simply won't give satisfaction to anyone who tries to pressure vote me, and that is how I interpreted Chuchara's vote. I was quite interested in the apparent discrepancy between Pollux Oil's claimed investigation results and Peeker's claimed role. I concede Pollux's explanation is plausible, but I'll reserve final judgement until I've slept on the issue. NAF's new claim also needs digesting. It certainly explains why he adopted the position he did on the case against me, and why he's been giving KidVermicious the hairy eyeball. There's an obvious way to test whether NAF is telling us the truth embedded in that claim – lynch the Kid or lynch NAF. Right now, I'm inclining towards lynching the Kid, because of the question he asked me earlier Today. If NAF is telling the truth, it is quite plausible to suggest that if the Horsemen are being controlled by a traitor, they should be warned of a false Apocalypse who will try and usurp their true leader's position. If the Kid is a Horseman, then that is a pointer in NAFs favour. The risk is, of course, that NAF has a win condition he will achieve if the Kid dies. I'm willing to take that risk. Vote KidVermicious. Now, the last outstanding issue. What is my name? What's it to you, bub? Maybe you need a bit of ... attitude adjustment. My powers (such as they are) will remain mine to know and yours to find out, because once they are known, they are useless. You'll just have to trust me on this. So now you know. I hope it was worth the wait.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 19:45:02 GMT -5
I'm going to vote hawkeyeop. I am not saying this is the wrong choice, but I am saying you might want to take a look at my last post before you decide not to go with KidV. Just saw it now since we x-posted. Seeing as how the horseman have powers, there is no reason to forestall a lynch of them. Getting their powers out of the game is more important than information, IMO. [/b]unvote hawkeyeop[/b][/color] [/b]vote KidV[/b][/color] Oh, and Darth would have been my next choice after hawkeyeop for voting on, so I'm not surprised he shows up as possible horeseman on your list.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 20, 2008 19:46:19 GMT -5
Try that again.
unvote hawkeyeop vote KidV
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 20, 2008 19:48:13 GMT -5
You say that you investigated Peeker and came up town. Yet Peeker has claimed to be a Miller that would come up scum if investigated. This is obviously contradictory and I would like to hear from both of you as to how this is supposed to be true. From my role PM: Neither me nor Peeker is lying. So far, everybody has been working under the (false) assumption that there was no way to prove Peeker was town. But in fact, my detective powers are always right, the trade off is that I won't always get a reading. I investigated Peeker Night One because I figured I was the only one that could get a correct reading on him, and I've been very adamant about not lynching Peeker since Day Two after I got my investigation back. In addition, if I investigate the Godfather of the scum (if there is one, there probably is considering my ability but you never know) they will come back as scum to me if my investigation succeeds. I'm hoping this makes sense to everyone. And this is exactly how I read your role PM. Course, don't stand to close to me in case you get hit by some of the stray scum bullets. Even I as the PhD of idiocy of this game could read your posts and go "WTF is he protecting me"? From Day two forward.
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