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Post by KatiRoo on Jun 13, 2007 17:21:33 GMT -5
Passwording SI si a great idea. Thanks Idle.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 13, 2007 17:30:06 GMT -5
I was so close to my master plan too.... I was one game day away from being able to claim Steele perfectly. Since we're now password-protected, I can say why I killed Idle. In fact, I also killed Fluiddruid, Kyrie, and Idle Thoughts. If the crew thinks they'll learn something from my death, they're sorely mistaken. Yarrrrrr. I operated as a perfect pirate cell in my own right Oh, and we targetted Idle because he was confirmed town from our point of view and from many crew's POV also. We ran the risk of having all us pirates being the only non-confirmed town after a while, and then it's 'good game.' I'm fairly certain Dick killed me because he picked up on my Steele bread crumbs. D'oh!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 13, 2007 17:40:50 GMT -5
Also, I can say now, that I tried (when it was still on the lynch me train) many times to subtly give stone proof I was crew. If you look over my posts during that time, I say in about four of them the line: "I am an honest crew member" or "I am an honest member of the crew", oftentimes even bolding it or making the honest part italics.
This is because this is what my crew PM said when I was given my role. "An honest member of the crew". So I had hoped the real, vanilla crew would hopefully recognize it or that it would at least look familiar to them and make them go back and check their initial PM and realize that I had to be crew if I knew what the crew PM said. Apparently not, though.
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Post by zuma on Jun 13, 2007 17:46:26 GMT -5
OK, now that we're password-protected...
My night one investigation was not Idle Thoughts. It was a pirate. I chose Idle because I was relatively sure he was town, and I thought he could be Steele based on his strong questioning of my claim.
Auto, I think you guys should be going after Steele! There's still plenty of crew to hide behind. And why Idle and not Pleo or AZ (or did you think Dick would target those two)? There was still a bit of uncertainty amongst the crew as to Idle's status.
Also, Auto, was there any suspicion amongst the pirates on night 3 that I wasn't Steele? I probably should have hinted at this a bit more at that time.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 13, 2007 17:59:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew if I was left in the game that I'd still be a top suspect until dead. That's why my death last Night surprised me too. That's why I was thinking it wasn't a pirate but either DD or BG (DD if BG is not activated yet or BG if DD missed or possibly a duo-hit).
But now that Auto said that I was the pirate kill, it boggles my mind a bit.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 13, 2007 19:12:48 GMT -5
Another thing I can talk about and point out now that we have complete privacy. I always had a really strong feeling that Pleonast was scum. Very very strong. So were you really telling the truth about him, zuma? I just don't see it. Although it would seem, if it was false, that AZ and FCOD would have said that he's not one of the officials by now. The main thing that tripped my meter about him, something I would have NEVER said in the game or used against him due to my special knowledge, is that in Day one, post #322, he says this in the last half: This was after a lot of discussion over players who had set themselves to invisible. It was also wayyyyy before I posted and said that admins (so me) can see who is invisible and who isn't. So what immediatly made me suspicious about this quote is (revealing it now we're alone): Pleonast is on invisible himself and has been since the very start of the game. So why would he act like he didn't know what invisible users were if he is and was (already at the time he asked that) invisible himself? It's not a default thing. One actually has to check the box that reads "remain invisible to who's online?". So it just strikes me as him playing dumb there, for one...and for two, really, why be on invisible anyway? Kyrie was on invisible too, at first. However after I made that post that I, too, could see who was invisible and who wasn't, I noticed he took it off. Pleonast, however, did not and is still invisible. So yeah. All of that combined. Being invisible in the first place and then acting like you don't know what invisible posters are, that just really hit me strong. From then on, I started reading all of his posts carefully, and again, he just seemed to grow more and more scummy. He voted for all of the crew lynches and even confessed that he voted for Auntbeast when he wasn't listed. I took this as being him being a clever "honest" scum that was trying to throw people off the trail ("Well, hell..if he's admitting that he was the first to vote for her, he couldn't be scum. What pirate would be that stupid?") So when you posted, zuma, that he was an official...that really shocked me. I still don't know if it was true or you were trying to get one last sneak in as sneaky sam. Again, though, if you were, why aren't the other two saying that he's not what they'd know he was or wasn't? *shrugs*
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Post by zuma on Jun 13, 2007 20:27:58 GMT -5
Everything I said in my farewell post was true, including my thinking and strategy. My last post was for the benefit of the pirates, and I was not going to give them inaccurate information. I really didn't care whether or not the crew believed me at that point... As long as the pirates did, that's all that mattered.
As far as Pleonast goes, I was suspecting him to be town from day 1... I said in one of my breadcrumbs that I paid a lot of attention to him in M2 when we were both masons, because he was the only one I could trust, and his style and observations here were the same as in M2. Besides being a breadcrumb, it was true as well.
I wasn't even aware you could make yourself invisible... so I must have missed that bit. I guess we can ask him when he gets here (which I hope is soon... he's a pretty astute player).
Since Auto is here with us too, I think it would be a good idea not to reveal other pirate roles, in case people wish to remain "unspoiled". What does everyone else think? While of course I think it sucks that Auto got killed, it'll be nice having him here to explain the pirate night-choices as the game goes on.
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Post by zuma on Jun 13, 2007 20:38:20 GMT -5
One more thing... I heard somewhere once that a good scum tell is when the night after the doc protects someone, and prevents a kill, that anyone who congratulates or thanks the doc has a good chance of being scum. I noticed Cowgirl did that at the beginning of day 4.
I don't know how true that is, but I'll be interested to see Cowgirl's affiliation.
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Post by auntbeast on Jun 13, 2007 21:21:03 GMT -5
now that we are password protected can we talk about our suspicions? Cause my hopeful vindication would be the folks I suspected being pirates.
Do tell!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 13, 2007 21:44:18 GMT -5
There IS a hack for a spoiler box. I think I'll install it on here tonight.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 13, 2007 22:32:18 GMT -5
Done. Just use spoiler and /spoiler in between [ ] Far out, eh? However, if those who know who is who still wish to not tell, well, I, at least, have no qualms about it.
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Post by auntbeast on Jun 14, 2007 0:56:52 GMT -5
testing the spoiler function and wanting to shout I suspect MadTheSwine of being a pirate.
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Post by auntbeast on Jun 14, 2007 0:58:34 GMT -5
well, it worked. I'm not sure how much anyone here knows, but I am curious about peoples speculations and why. Seriously, how can you not wanna talk about this stuff to *someone*! [/spoiler
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Post by autolycus on Jun 14, 2007 1:24:56 GMT -5
Blah I dont think anyone cares about this game enough to actively try to cheat.
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Post by zuma on Jun 14, 2007 1:36:23 GMT -5
I'll speculate as to the identity of Captain Steele.
After I accused Idle, but before I got caught, the following had not placed a vote for Idle:
cowgirl diggitcamera gadarene Lakai
MadTheSwine initially placed a vote on Idle, unvoted, and eventually put a vote on me.
The real captain steele kept quiet, but would the real captain steele be able to stomach actually placing a vote on idle thoughts, knowing I was full of crap?
The pirates should be targetting one of those 5. I'd probably narrow it down to diggitcamera and lakai, as if I were captain steele I might try to keep a low profile.
Lakai has really started to attract attention with his low post count. It'll be interesting to see what happens if he starts getting votes thrown at him.
As far as scum (I really haven't invested a lot of time trying to identify scum, of course), I get general vibes from cowgirl and panamajack.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 14, 2007 5:22:27 GMT -5
Also, I can say now, that I tried (when it was still on the lynch me train) many times to subtly give stone proof I was crew. If you look over my posts during that time, I say in about four of them the line: "I am an honest crew member" or "I am an honest member of the crew", oftentimes even bolding it or making the honest part italics. This is because this is what my crew PM said when I was given my role. "An honest member of the crew". So I had hoped the real, vanilla crew would hopefully recognize it or that it would at least look familiar to them and make them go back and check their initial PM and realize that I had to be crew if I knew what the crew PM said. Apparently not, though. That would have been problematic, though. If everyone could rely on something like that to get their towniness confirmed, it would kill the game dead. Your role PM is meant to be a means of getting the game underway, not a shibboleth. The only ray of sunshine I can see is that after the first person claimed it would quickly degenerate into an "I'm Brian and so's my wife!"-fest.
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Post by zuma on Jun 14, 2007 7:51:37 GMT -5
Aunt, I don't think you need to spoiler that you suspect MTS, just confirmed pirates.
MTS's vote on me was weird. It seems crazy to vote for a claimed Captain Steele, no matter how dodgy I seemed. Auto did it too, but Auto marches to his own drummer. Idle's vote for me was the only one that made sense.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 14, 2007 8:02:05 GMT -5
Aunt, I don't think you need to spoiler that you suspect MTS, just confirmed pirates. MTS's vote on me was weird. It seems crazy to vote for a claimed Captain Steele, no matter how dodgy I seemed. Auto did it too, but Auto marches to his own drummer. Idle's vote for me was the only one that made sense. Heh. MtS's vote made absolutely perfect sense, as you'll see , you lying little scuzzbucket ;D
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 14, 2007 14:54:09 GMT -5
Also, I can say now, that I tried (when it was still on the lynch me train) many times to subtly give stone proof I was crew. If you look over my posts during that time, I say in about four of them the line: "I am an honest crew member" or "I am an honest member of the crew", oftentimes even bolding it or making the honest part italics. This is because this is what my crew PM said when I was given my role. "An honest member of the crew". So I had hoped the real, vanilla crew would hopefully recognize it or that it would at least look familiar to them and make them go back and check their initial PM and realize that I had to be crew if I knew what the crew PM said. Apparently not, though. That would have been problematic, though. If everyone could rely on something like that to get their towniness confirmed, it would kill the game dead. Your role PM is meant to be a means of getting the game underway, not a shibboleth. The only ray of sunshine I can see is that after the first person claimed it would quickly degenerate into an "I'm Brian and so's my wife!"-fest. Yeah, you're right..and I'm sorry. It came from a combo of things I thought, one of them being that if I phrased it very subtly and put it among the rest of my long post, that it would just look like it was part of my pleas but might actually bring a relvelation to one or two players later on. It also came from me reading someone asking about it before, in that same topic. About if someone could post a PM from you, and it was replied by someone else that they thought that would garner an immediate mod kill (if the PM was posted at all in entirety), but that, as far as they knew, subtly alluding to it was allowed (as long as it was vague references). But that's just my explanation, not an excuse and it doesn't excuse it in the least. So again, I'm sorry.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 14, 2007 14:58:12 GMT -5
That would have been problematic, though. If everyone could rely on something like that to get their towniness confirmed, it would kill the game dead. Your role PM is meant to be a means of getting the game underway, not a shibboleth. The only ray of sunshine I can see is that after the first person claimed it would quickly degenerate into an "I'm Brian and so's my wife!"-fest. Yeah, you're right..and I'm sorry. It came from a combo of things I thought, one of them being that if I phrased it very subtly and put it among the rest of my long post, that it would just look like it was part of my pleas but might actually bring a relvelation to one or two players later on. It also came from me reading someone asking about it before, in that same topic. About if someone could post a PM from you, and it was replied by someone else that they thought that would garner an immediate mod kill (if the PM was posted at all in entirety), but that, as far as they knew, subtly alluding to it was allowed (as long as it was vague references). But that's just my explanation, not an excuse and it doesn't excuse it in the least. So again, I'm sorry. No worries. It hasn't spoiled the game.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 15, 2007 12:56:04 GMT -5
Hey, since we're all dead here -
Auto, I think your play in this game was really sort of brilliant. It seemed like you knew that if you came into the game acting differently than you did the last time, everyone would say, "hey, Auto's contributing more than he did; we should look at him more closely." So for two days or so, you were just as you were in M2 - color posts and no analysis. Then, once people started to get annoyed with it - shortly after I was killed - you started to very gradually step up your content level, such that it looekd like your behavior had changed not because your alignment had changed but because you were responding to the constructive criticism of your peers.
From out here, I was going nuts, because it looked so damn suspicious, you talking so freely and clearly all of a sudden, but from inside the game, it seemed like the crew was so happy that you were talking at all that they weren't noticing how odd it was that you were talking at all.
My question is: did you do this on purpose? Because if you did, seriously, I want you on my side next game. Well played.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 15, 2007 15:11:00 GMT -5
Oh, you flatter me and I love it! I cant take full credit for my play style, as I got a little guidance on the pirate board, but it was mostly on purpose yes. I was chosen as the killer for all pirate kills up til my death, because I was able to be a superb 'pirate cell,' as we called it. Nobody learned squat from my death, yarrr. Thanks for the compliments about being on your side next game, but be aware that my effectiveness is drmatically reduced if I'm town ^^;;; I'm still pissed off Dick killed me b/c of my fake Steele bread crumbs
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Post by zuma on Jun 16, 2007 21:26:04 GMT -5
Well, if MTS turns out to be captain steele, which a few people in there are implying, I'll find it surprising he switched his vote to me. Why make yourself visible? On the other hand, it means my role-claim had its desired effect.
I don't know if Lakai is crew or pirate, but I must say his snarkiness makes me chuckle a bit.
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Post by autolycus on Jun 17, 2007 13:24:09 GMT -5
why would the real Steele ever role-claim now? Bwuh?
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 17, 2007 14:01:23 GMT -5
To out a killer, of course.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2007 14:05:36 GMT -5
Actually, I think it makes sense for Mad to role claim now, and I'll bet dollars to donuts he's telling the truth, too. Why shouldn't he claim at this point? Everyone treats the role claim like it's such a big deal, but by this point in the game the pirates and Dick, at least, have surely identified Mad as a very strong candidate for Steele even without his formal claim. They know that he voted against zuma very quickly and they know (well, the pirates do) that he's not a pirate. They are almost surely going to target him toNight with or without the role claim.
Given that, the role claim doesn't hurt the town even a little bit. But it is helpful, because he had one solid piece of information - that Hal Briston is a killer and, given what Autolycus has told us in here - probably is Dick Deadeye. If Mad had died toNight without claiming, that bit of information would have been gone forever; by claiming, it's out, whether or not he's believed initially.
cowgirl looks crazy scummy to me, right now, unless she is Captain Steele herself. She seems like she's trying to invent a reason to lynch MtS, which is the worst possible town play right now because he's claimed Steele, so they have a lot to lose. I'd lynch Hal, and if he comes up Dick, lynch cowgirl the following day without blinking.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 17, 2007 16:16:32 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain Dick killed me because he picked up on my Steele bread crumbs. D'oh! Sorry...I shivved you because I was sick of you posting in "pirate talk". Whoops! The frustrating thing is that if I had failed to defend myself on Day 3, it would've been better for the pirates. Ah well...
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2007 16:34:50 GMT -5
I'm just happy to be welcoming my own killer to Skull Island. Things looking up for the town - two ancillary scum down, one pirate down, too, and all four town-aligned roles still alive (albeit revealed). Now the game of chicken ensues, tonight, with Steele, Livesey, and the pirates trying to make determinations about the wine in front of them. Betcha it's going to be a long night.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 17, 2007 17:34:13 GMT -5
So MtS, ArizonaTech, FCOD, and Pleonast are Steele and the three officials. Pretty big advantage for crew right now because that's three that are known and thus can be counted out when voting from here on. Disadvantage, obviously, is they're all known now. Still, without a Ben Gunn activation, it would take the pirates four Nights to get rid of them all. And a Ben Gunn activation would only HELP crew, really, since he'd be working against the pirates then and would obviously not try hitting the people who he knows have roles.
Question. If the Doc protects Steele from here on, every Night...and Steele choose to "block" on the Doc...wouldn't that mean they'd be invincible for the rest of the game? Granted it would mean Steele would become useless, mostly, in trying to find out more info, but at least it would keep two confirmed crew in for all the rest of it. Or is there something or a rule of some sort that safeguards against them doing that for each other?
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Post by Kyrie Eleison on Jun 17, 2007 17:38:39 GMT -5
cowgirl looks crazy scummy to me, right now, unless she is Captain Steele herself. She seems like she's trying to invent a reason to lynch MtS, which is the worst possible town play right now because he's claimed Steele, so they have a lot to lose. I'd lynch Hal, and if he comes up Dick, lynch cowgirl the following day without blinking. Doesn't she, though? I've been crazy suspicious of Lakai and cowgirl since day one, but until 2/3 officers were outed on night two, I didn't know whether I suspected them of being scum or of being officers.
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