Santo Rugger
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The Rugger formerly known as Pygmy[on:BYAHH!][of:BYAHH?]
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:00:28 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 23, 2008 14:00:28 GMT -5
Really? I think it is the toss-up between the two of you. Really? You mean you don't think you're the Horseman? LOL. Okay, I've got to admit... that was funny. But!: It never occurred to you that KidV was lying about some of his results? Or is that what the wink was for?
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:02:10 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 23, 2008 14:02:10 GMT -5
It never occurred to you that KidV was lying about some of his results? Or is that what the wink was for? See, I thought the wink was pretty self-explanatory. --FCOD
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:03:08 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Oct 23, 2008 14:03:08 GMT -5
What's your point? Scum have cover roles, but they don't have the power of their cover roles, they have the power of their actual role, right? How do you know they have claimed roles? Kid didn't lie about being Professor X? You could very well be Persuasion - Redirector, alignment scum.
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Santo Rugger
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:18:36 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 23, 2008 14:18:36 GMT -5
What's your point? Scum have cover roles, but they don't have the power of their cover roles, they have the power of their actual role, right? How do you know they have claimed roles? I didn't say they have [already] claimed roles. I said they have cover roles. UATU told us as much. Kid didn't lie about being Professor X? You could very well be Persuasion - Redirector, alignment scum. [/quote]A)If that were the case, I wouldn't have redirected NAF onto myself last night, because he would have just gotten a result that said: Santo There are no Horsemen on that list. If I was scum, I would have been singling myself out for getting outed had NAF not elected to be mod killed. On top of that, in order for it to have been collusion for him not being alive this Morning, I would have had to known NAF was going to die, and directed my scum buddies* to kill him. That didn't happen. All you've got is my word, I guess, but here are the PMs I got when trying to figure out how I would be able to prevent NAF from fulfilling what I thought (and still think) his win condition was:
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Santo Rugger
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The Rugger formerly known as Pygmy[on:BYAHH!][of:BYAHH?]
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:21:16 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 23, 2008 14:21:16 GMT -5
Kid didn't lie about being Professor X? You could very well be Persuasion - Redirector, alignment scum. Sorry about the coding on the last one. Somebody help me with the canon here... Were Sebastian Shaw and Professor X part of the four Horsemen? And, also, can somebody remind me what, if anything, CatInA had claimed?
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:29:35 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Oct 23, 2008 14:29:35 GMT -5
He did? When? Why didn't Kid use a cover name? Why would anyone have to if their name isn't Apocolypse or Sinister?
There is nothing to say the scum didn't block NAF as well. Or that you in fact redirected to yourself. Or that you are being truthful as to Story's action. I think the town would have gotten much more useful information if NAF could have looked at another four instead of just one.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:36:45 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Oct 23, 2008 14:36:45 GMT -5
Kid didn't lie about being Professor X? You could very well be Persuasion - Redirector, alignment scum. Sorry about the coding on the last one. Somebody help me with the canon here... Were Sebastian Shaw and Professor X part of the four Horsemen? And, also, can somebody remind me what, if anything, CatInA had claimed? I don't believe either was ever a horseman. I don't recall Shaw having claimed anything when he died.
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Santo Rugger
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 14:39:05 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 23, 2008 14:39:05 GMT -5
He did? When? Why didn't Kid use a cover name? Why would anyone have to if their name isn't Apocolypse or Sinister? I don't remember specifically where story said it, but NAF did claim to have a cover name, too. As far as using it, I don't know. Hence my question about the canon. Fair point.I already said as much. But you guys already know enough about my playstyle that I wouldn't just make up PMs that I didn't really send; I'm a lazy bastardNot necessaraly, but I already explained what I thought (and think) NAF's win condition was, and I planned on preventing it. Didn't I just say that?
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 15:55:15 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 15:55:15 GMT -5
I know things are going to be a bit slower until Pollux shows up, but let us not forget that even with us being able to narrow down the horseman, we probably don't want to eliminate all the scum until we've gotten rid of all the 3rd parties. We don't know anything about their win conditions. And I imagine there's probably at least one more 3rd party running around. Also, Mr. Sinister is probably a bigger threat than the horsemen overall. (He may have his own special win condition for all we know.)
And we've had a severe lack of evidence of the Legacy Virus, which is something to keep in mind. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 17:07:40 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 23, 2008 17:07:40 GMT -5
Hooray for the Toad! I investigated Darth last night. Guess what?
Vote Darth Sensitive
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 17:44:57 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2008 17:44:57 GMT -5
Well I'll give 'ol DS a little time to respond but in absence of something else real juicy coming out I know where my vote is going.
Also, a thought to ponder if we believe the investigations/lists. Not horseman does not equal not scum. Just need to keep that in mind.
And someone please give me a little help on the whole third party thing. I know that simplistically the number of scum is around the square root of the number of total players.
What does the presence of third parties do to that calculation and how many third parties would be considered "normal"? I mean is it a cube root or what?
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 18:03:08 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Oct 23, 2008 18:03:08 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how I'm not scum, that means that Diggit is, if we all trust NAFs lists at this point.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 18:06:55 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Oct 23, 2008 18:06:55 GMT -5
Gah - posted too early.
And I'm going to assume that Pollux is pfk. He stands something to gain by me going down, but I have no flipping clue as to what it would be.
But since the vote is obviously going to come down to me and diggit, based on the admissions of an admitted liar and pfk, I'm going to vote for him
Vote diggit[/color]
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 18:14:21 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Oct 23, 2008 18:14:21 GMT -5
Vote Darth
--FCOD
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 18:26:25 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Oct 23, 2008 18:26:25 GMT -5
Ok. I'll probably butcher this, but what the hey. Darth is going to swing sooner or later (most likely sooner). Do we put him in our back pocket and go fishing? I forget which game it was but BM suggested something along these lines. The thought was that those that were town would voice their suspicions about the others. If a concensus was reached then that person swung. If not, then the bird in the pocket was that night's Marsalla dish.
Of course, I am not averse to going after the almost sure thing.
Just tossing it out there.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 18:41:47 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Oct 23, 2008 18:41:47 GMT -5
Ok, posting drunk on my iPhone from Dublin, so excuse ... Anything. I investigated/watched NAF tonight.. He tried to perform an action, but appears to have been blocked. He was targetted by persuation and storm. This means someone is lying, and it explains why NAF asked to be modkilled before revealing results. I do wonder why persuation would target NAF though.. Considering his claimed selfprotective powers and tremendous power to help town.. I'm too drunk to analyze anything right now, but now you know. See you Sunday if the next two hotels don't have wifi.
I dedicate this message to the dictionary in my phone.
Cheers!
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 18:57:31 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Oct 23, 2008 18:57:31 GMT -5
Ok. I'll probably butcher this, but what the hey. Darth is going to swing sooner or later (most likely sooner). Do we put him in our back pocket and go fishing? I forget which game it was but BM suggested something along these lines. The thought was that those that were town would voice their suspicions about the others. If a concensus was reached then that person swung. If not, then the bird in the pocket was that night's Marsalla dish. Of course, I am not averse to going after the almost sure thing. Just tossing it out there. Well, do you have an alternate suggested target that you can say with 95+% certainty is scum? In the meantime vote DarthDarth, if you have role claim, now would be the time. I can't see it doing any good, but no sense keeping anything off the table.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 19:17:00 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 19:17:00 GMT -5
Ok. I'll probably butcher this, but what the hey. Darth is going to swing sooner or later (most likely sooner). Do we put him in our back pocket and go fishing? I forget which game it was but BM suggested something along these lines. The thought was that those that were town would voice their suspicions about the others. If a concensus was reached then that person swung. If not, then the bird in the pocket was that night's Marsalla dish. Of course, I am not averse to going after the almost sure thing. Just tossing it out there. The problem with putting the horseman in the back pocket is they all have powers. And we know they are most likely going to be using them against town. We might want to leave one horseman alive, however until we find Sinister, due to him possibly having a special win condition. We also might not want all scum dead before we remove all the PFK due to any special win conditions they might have. It's things we have to keep in mind while we go hunting for enemies of the town. However, we should be able to safely lynch one more horseman before we need to start seriously looking at this. And as far as normal amount of PFK, I don't think there is one. It largely depends on the distribution of powers overall. It's likely we have at least one more, though. Also, what night was it that a someone appearing to be Threnody supposedly attacked you? I don't have it in the list of actions. And does anyone out there want to claim Storm? I know hawkeyeop is the only one with an unclaimed name. If you're not Storm, hawkeyeop, just saying that is fine as well. But you should probably go on record one way or the other.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 19:21:32 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 19:21:32 GMT -5
Ok, posting drunk on my iPhone from Dublin, so excuse ... Anything. I investigated/watched NAF tonight.. He tried to perform an action, but appears to have been blocked. He was targetted by persuation and storm. This means someone is lying, and it explains why NAF asked to be modkilled before revealing results. I do wonder why persuation would target NAF though.. Considering his claimed selfprotective powers and tremendous power to help town.. I'm too drunk to analyze anything right now, but now you know. See you Sunday if the next two hotels don't have wifi. Santo explained why he redirected NAF. He wanted to confirm himself as not a Horseman. So this probably means that Storm blocked NAF while someone else went off and whacked Nanook. My guess is the scum who does the killing can't use their night power. It's nice that they whacked one of the guys in NAF's list, though. Helps narrow the pool down without us having to spend a lynch or investigation on it. Thanks scum!
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 19:22:18 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Oct 23, 2008 19:22:18 GMT -5
Right. I'm not Storm.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 19:24:44 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 19:24:44 GMT -5
It's nice that they whacked one of the guys in NAF's list, though. Helps narrow the pool down without us having to spend a lynch or investigation on it. Thanks scum! NETA: (Of course, with Pollux's investigation, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since he chose another of three possible candidates in that list, but anyway....)
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 19:25:48 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 19:25:48 GMT -5
Duly noted. Oh and vote darth[/color]
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 19:27:12 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 19:27:12 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how I'm not scum, that means that Diggit is, if we all trust NAFs lists at this point. Does that mean Pollux is scum as well. After all, he outed you.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 20:17:28 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Oct 23, 2008 20:17:28 GMT -5
Funny.
Due to the color in my role, I was kinda expecting a visit (it keeps hinting at dark and mysterious possibilities). What I didn't expect was this:
Seems I got the Legacy Virus.
BTW:
Vote Darth
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 20:25:12 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Oct 23, 2008 20:25:12 GMT -5
vote Darth Sensitive[/color]
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 20:30:15 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 20:30:15 GMT -5
Also, what night was it that a someone appearing to be Threnody supposedly attacked you? I don't have it in the list of actions. I found it. It was night four. I'll update the night action list in a bit for all the recent revelations.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 21:10:26 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 21:10:26 GMT -5
The player list currently as stands with claims and confirms (confirmed town in blue, confirmed scum in red, confirmed 3rd party in orange, and Rugger in purple just because I figured we needed more colors and he writes such entertaining night fluff):
Alive ------ 4. Hoopy Frood - Mikhail Rasputin - Mason/Special 5. mhaye - Wolverine - No Claimed Power, Bub 6. Almost Human (replaces Roosh) - Gambit - No Claimed Power 7. Pollux Oil - Toad - 100% accurate/50% miss chance Alignment cop 8. chucara - Shadowcat - Watcher 9. bufftabby - Multiple Man - No Claimed Power 10. Darth Sensitive - Scarlet Witch - No Claimed Power 11. peekercpa - Archangel - Miller/Legacy Virus blocker and curer 12. misterblockey - Magik - Mason/Special 13. diggitcamara - Jean Grey - No Claimed Power 16. hawkeyeop - not Storm - No Claimed Power 17. Santo Rugger - Persuasion - Redirector 18. FlyingDeadCowofGOB, Esq. - Longshot - No Claimed Power
Dead ------ 21. molefan1981 - Arcade - Inventor - Lynched Day 1 22. Idle Thoughts - Dr. Cecilia Reyes - Protective - Nightkilled Night 1 25. sinjin - Rogue - Power Drainer - Lynched Day 2 20. Pleonast - Emma Frost - Investigator - Nightkilled Night 2 19. Boozahol Squid, PI - Nightcrawler - Backup (Investigator) - Lynched Day 3 23. Rysto - Colossus - Mason/Sacrificial Partially Bulletproof Bodyguard - Nightkilled Night 3 24. CatinaSuit - Sebastian Shaw - Strongman (Death) - Nightkilled Night 3 1. Zeriel - Reaper - Role-blocker/Vigilante - Lynched Day 4 15. Greedy Smurf - Cypher - Investigator (Coroner) -Nightkilled Night 4 2. KidVermicious - Professor X - Investigator (War) - Lynched Day 5 14. Nanook - Threnody - Necromancer - Nightkilled Night 5 3. NAF - Apocalypse - 3rd Party Special - Modkilled Night 5 at his own request
Claimed actions:
Night 0: ---------- No actions taken.
Day 1: -------- No claims.
Night 1: ---------- Rysto protects xxxx Nanook raises molefan Sinjin drains KidV, redirected onto Idle NAF protects Boozy Rugger redirects Sinjin onto Idle Zeriel blocks FCOD chucara visits peekercpa, confirms that peekercpa did something and Pollux showed up peekercpa feathers someone Pollux investigates peekercpa and finds he's town Greedy Smurf autopsies molefan/Arcade KidV investigates Rysto and finds he's Colossus Something kills Idle
Day 2: -------- Greedy Smurf autopsies Idle/Cecilia Reyes
Night 2: ---------- Rysto protects xxxx Zeriel blocks Rugger peeker is blocked (door jammed) Greedy Smurf autopsies Sinjin/Rogue Pollux investigates bufftabby and finds she's town chucara visits Nanook, confirms that Nanook did nothing but was visited by Apocalypse NAF blocks Nanook KidV investigates Hoopy and finds he is Mikhail Rasputin Something kills Pleo
Day 3: ---------- Boozy takes up mantle of investigator Greedy Smurf autopsies Pleo/Emma Frost
Night 3: --------- Rysto protects another mason Rugger redirects peeker unto himself peeker feathers someone, gets redirected to himself Chucara visits NAF, confirms that NAF did something that night and was visited by FCOD NAF protects bufftabby Greedy Smurf autopsies Boozy/Nightcrawler Pollux investigates NAF and discovers he's 3rd party KidV investigates FCOD and finds he's Longshot Something targets one of the masons, Rysto dies Something kills CIAS
Day 4: -------- No claims
Night 4: ---------- Rugger redirects Nanook unto Zeriel Nanook does nothing but tries to go to Zeriel and finds his door is jammed peeker feathers someone Chucara visits Hoopy. Hoopy did nothing (confirmed) and was visited by no one (confirmed) Pollux investigates DiggitCamara and fails on miss chance NAF protects FCOD KidV investigates Apocalypse and finds he's 3rd Party Someone under the guise of Threnody attacks peeker Something kills Greedy
Day 5: ---------- No claims
Night 5: -------- Nanook raises Greedy Rugger redirects NAF unto Rugger peekercpa feathers someone Pollux investigated Darth and discovers that he's Famine Chucara visits NAF. NAF tried to do something but was blocked, and was also visited by Rugger and Storm diggitcamara comes down with a cold Something kills Nanook
Day 6: ------- No claims
NAF's Lists -------------
Night 1 (One Horseman): Peeker Zeriel Hoopy KidV
Night 2 (One Horseman): Peeker CIAS Rysto MHaye
Night 3 (No Horsemen): Almost Human Pollux Oil Chucara Bufftabby
Night 4 (Two Horseman): KidV Darth Diggit Nanook
Confirmed Town: --------------------- Hoopy misterblockey
Town by Pollux investigation ------------------------------------ peekercpa (not a horseman) Bufftabby (not a horseman)
Non-horseman by NAF --------------------------- peekercpa MHaye Almost Human Pollux Oil Chucara Bufftabby
One of these is Horseman according to NAF ------------------------------------------------------ Darth Sensitive (Investigated as Famine by Pollux) DiggitCamara
One of these is Horseman by virtue of being the only ones left ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hawkeyeop Rugger FCOD
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 21:12:46 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Oct 23, 2008 21:12:46 GMT -5
Well, seeing as how I'm not scum, that means that Diggit is, if we all trust NAFs lists at this point. Does that mean Pollux is scum as well. After all, he outed you. You could bother to read the next post you know. Since everyone is going to trust an admitted 3rd party, I might as well. By that logic, diggit is the scum out of the pair of two. Pollux could be, but since everyone is trusting the magic lists, he obviously isn't based on night three. That leaves the possibility of him being a 3rd party.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 21:15:33 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 21:15:33 GMT -5
Funny. Due to the color in my role, I was kinda expecting a visit (it keeps hinting at dark and mysterious possibilities). What I didn't expect was this: Seems I got the Legacy Virus. Interesting that it took until Day Six for someone to come out with evidence that they might have it. I mean, it might have been what took out CIAS, but even so, that's still 3 nights without any Hot Legacy Action.
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Day Six
Oct 23, 2008 21:19:39 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Oct 23, 2008 21:19:39 GMT -5
Does that mean Pollux is scum as well. After all, he outed you. You could bother to read the next post you know. Since everyone is going to trust an admitted 3rd party, I might as well. By that logic, diggit is the scum out of the pair of two. Pollux could be, but since everyone is trusting the magic lists, he obviously isn't based on night three. That leaves the possibility of him being a 3rd party. He's not a horseman based on Night 3. That doesn't mean he couldn't be Mr. Sinister. Or do you know something you're not telling us?
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