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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 4, 2008 19:34:38 GMT -5
So. Back on Day Five, I nameclaimed in post D5.146. I did, however, cut the flavour text a bit short because there was something I wanted to keep the scum uncertain of. My ability to kill at Night. Let's read the rest of the flavour text, shall we? At the start of the game, I had no active powers at all. I did have one, but it was totally passive. Putting my PM together with that revealed by Diggit, it seems reasonable to suggest that Diggit's death might change my status. Well, here is what Storyteller had to say about that idea, in a PM I received early on Day 7. So there you have it. Wolverine is once again a rage filled killing machine. I will kill every Night until whoever killed Jean Grey is dead, or I am. This post has grown too long to be easily digestible. Hence, it gets split into two. An explanation of why I killed Hawkeyeop in Night 7 follows.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 4, 2008 19:42:20 GMT -5
I drafted this post and my previous one as one post. It just grew a bit too long, so I split it in two - for ease of reference. The previous post details the evolution of my role.
Last Night, I exercised my newly liberated powers by killing Hawkeyeop. Why Hawk? NAF's lists.
The discussion after NAF roleclaimed led to the following conclusions, assuming the truth of his claims : KidV was a Horseman, one of Diggit and Darth was a Horseman, and one of FCOD, Hawkeyeop or Santo Rugger was a Horseman.
By the end of Day 7, the truth of the first and second propositions was demonstrated, and in addition, NAF's claim of name and alignment was seen to be true. Consequently, I concluded that the third deduction may well also be correct, and one of Hawkeyeop and FCOD was the last Horseman – Plague.
I was faced with the choice of killing CIAS, killing one of Hawk and FCOD, or killing one of the other unknowns in the hope of hitting Mister Sinister. I quickly settled on the second option, for several reasons.
Firstly, it seemed likely that if any one of the Horsemen was involved in spreading the Legacy Virus it was Plague.
Secondly, the Legacy victims were a bonus kill effect, and were guaranteed not to hit the scum. They might take out a PFK, but even so the kill would advance the scum towards their win condition. Killing Plague would slow the scum down.
Thirdly, Diggit had been killed after reporting snuffles and sickness, and the common consensus was that this may have been a Legacy death. Killing Plague therefore seemed to me the best shot for converting me from a compulsory Vig to an optional Vig.
Finally, I was sure that if both Hawk and FCOD woke up on Day 8, the lynch would be between the pair of them.
So I anticipated the lynch debate by killing Hawkeyeop. I picked on Hawk over FCOD because of the reactions to NAF's full claim – Hawk tried to get NAF lynched, while FCOD was more interested in exploring the ramifications of the claim. It turned out that I picked the right one. If Hawkeyeop had turned out not a Horseman, I'd have advocated lynching FCOD.
I'm sure this will be asked, so let's clear the air right now. I have received nothing Today indicating I have changed status, so it appears the player directly responsible for Diggit's death is not yet dead. If that is correct, I'm going to have to kill Tonight. It's possible that the guilty party is CIAS, in which case the compulsion will be lifted when he is removed from the game.
The possibility of offing CIAS myself Tonight is also something I'd considered. It would certainly give me someone to slake my thirst for vengeance on.
Once I've whittled the list of candidates for lynch down a bit, I'll place a vote. That may take a little time yet though. Don't look for it tonight.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Nov 5, 2008 0:10:14 GMT -5
So I went over Hoopy's discussion on the mason board and I found his argument compelling.
If we trust chucara, and he seems trustworthy, then almost human is both an unknown, and his role has never been observed, increasing the likelihood that it's a cover role.
Therefore Vote Almost Human
I also look forward to using my power tonight.
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Post by Almost Human on Nov 5, 2008 3:15:15 GMT -5
So I went over Hoopy's discussion on the mason board and I found his argument compelling. If we trust chucara, and he seems trustworthy, then almost human is both an unknown, and his role has never been observed, increasing the likelihood that it's a cover role. Therefore Vote Almost HumanI also look forward to using my power tonight. Well ok but I can hardly be held responsible for Chucara not watching me. He's welcome to do so if he wants though. ps Almost Human is very much a SHE!!! ;D
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Post by Almost Human on Nov 5, 2008 3:20:27 GMT -5
I drafted this post and my previous one as one post. It just grew a bit too long, so I split it in two - for ease of reference. The previous post details the evolution of my role. Last Night, I exercised my newly liberated powers by killing Hawkeyeop. Why Hawk? NAF's lists. The discussion after NAF roleclaimed led to the following conclusions, assuming the truth of his claims : KidV was a Horseman, one of Diggit and Darth was a Horseman, and one of FCOD, Hawkeyeop or Santo Rugger was a Horseman. By the end of Day 7, the truth of the first and second propositions was demonstrated, and in addition, NAF's claim of name and alignment was seen to be true. Consequently, I concluded that the third deduction may well also be correct, and one of Hawkeyeop and FCOD was the last Horseman – Plague. I was faced with the choice of killing CIAS, killing one of Hawk and FCOD, or killing one of the other unknowns in the hope of hitting Mister Sinister. I quickly settled on the second option, for several reasons. Firstly, it seemed likely that if any one of the Horsemen was involved in spreading the Legacy Virus it was Plague. Secondly, the Legacy victims were a bonus kill effect, and were guaranteed not to hit the scum. They might take out a PFK, but even so the kill would advance the scum towards their win condition. Killing Plague would slow the scum down. Thirdly, Diggit had been killed after reporting snuffles and sickness, and the common consensus was that this may have been a Legacy death. Killing Plague therefore seemed to me the best shot for converting me from a compulsory Vig to an optional Vig. Finally, I was sure that if both Hawk and FCOD woke up on Day 8, the lynch would be between the pair of them. So I anticipated the lynch debate by killing Hawkeyeop. I picked on Hawk over FCOD because of the reactions to NAF's full claim – Hawk tried to get NAF lynched, while FCOD was more interested in exploring the ramifications of the claim. It turned out that I picked the right one. If Hawkeyeop had turned out not a Horseman, I'd have advocated lynching FCOD. I'm sure this will be asked, so let's clear the air right now. I have received nothing Today indicating I have changed status, so it appears the player directly responsible for Diggit's death is not yet dead. If that is correct, I'm going to have to kill Tonight. It's possible that the guilty party is CIAS, in which case the compulsion will be lifted when he is removed from the game.The possibility of offing CIAS myself Tonight is also something I'd considered. It would certainly give me someone to slake my thirst for vengeance on. Once I've whittled the list of candidates for lynch down a bit, I'll place a vote. That may take a little time yet though. Don't look for it tonight. (bolding mine) That's weird - I'd have thought Hawk would've definitely been the one responsible for Diggit's death. Maybe the mods have been too busy doing election-type things to get back to you. At least I hope that's what it was otherwise we've got some other type of killer running about. FWIW I think your reasoning was sound and he was the best person to go for last Night.
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Post by Chucara on Nov 5, 2008 3:25:56 GMT -5
Well ok but I can hardly be held responsible for Chucara not watching me. He's welcome to do so if he wants though. ps Almost Human is very much a SHE!!! ;D Watching you.. yesss... *rubs hands, drolls a little*
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Post by Chucara on Nov 5, 2008 3:28:32 GMT -5
To at least get some votes on the table, I'll
vote Mhaye as I think there is a good chance that he is third party. Question is, should be be allowed to live for one more night kill?
I have a strange feeling that he wins when he kills whoever killed Jean Grey. Anyone care to comment?
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Post by Almost Human on Nov 5, 2008 4:15:45 GMT -5
Well ok but I can hardly be held responsible for Chucara not watching me. He's welcome to do so if he wants though. ps Almost Human is very much a SHE!!! ;D Watching you.. yesss... *rubs hands, drolls a little* LOTR game's on the other site! Good Gollum impression though lol
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Post by Almost Human on Nov 5, 2008 4:18:32 GMT -5
To at least get some votes on the table, I'll vote Mhaye as I think there is a good chance that he is third party. Question is, should be be allowed to live for one more night kill? I have a strange feeling that he wins when he kills whoever killed Jean Grey. Anyone care to comment? I can only hope you're wrong. If there were another pfk then he'd fit the bill but I don't get that vibe from him and his actions have been pro town. Killing Hawk was a definite benefit to us. I still think it's more important to make sure CIAS snuffs it and to find Sinister.
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 5, 2008 5:57:55 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting indeed the way the town is reacting.
Mods: Any chance of a vote count?
And yes, the last thing I want is a PFK victory.
Now, how to do this without jeopardising my own plans.
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Post by Chucara on Nov 5, 2008 6:26:22 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting indeed the way the town is reacting. Mods: Any chance of a vote count?And yes, the last thing I want is a PFK victory. Now, how to do this without jeopardising my own plans. Simple, let us know who sinister is, and we promise we'll kill PFK's first
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 5, 2008 9:22:58 GMT -5
That would be tricky.
Why, because I don't know who Mr Sinister is. Mr Sinister knew who we were, not the other way around. That's right our great and glorious leader is hiding by himself.
As far as I can tell he could have joined us at any time, although I think he might be leaving it a bit late. I won't find out until toNight if I am still around.
So, I have to be careful about what I say and do.
And at this point in the game, it is neither won or lost for the scum yet.
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Post by Chucara on Nov 5, 2008 13:20:24 GMT -5
This is an interesting problem.. Apparently we have three kills to perform. Again, the suspiscious pile is: Almost Human - Gambit chucara - Shadowcat (Watcher) FCOD - Longshot Mhaye - Wolverine And we have: PO who has two other people "covered" CiaS who must be killed at some point. I can't help but think that PO might be involved in some scum ploy to out a few members to have us trust him, and he will eventually win the game? Is that too out there? We're pretty sure that scum don't have a second roleblocker, so we might as well be open about our ideas.. I think people should suggest some killing patterns, remembering that our goals are the following: - Make sure no PFKs are alive before killing all scum - Confirm PO My initial suggestion is the following: DC kills CiaS (if he is a bomb, DC is dead anyway) MHaye kills Almost Human or FCOD We lynch Almost Human or FCOD One thing I've pondered is killing Pollux Oil, as it will confirm two other people if he's telling the truth. Somehow, I don't really like this idea, as it gives the win to MHaye if he is PFK. Opinions anyone? I know I'm leaving myself out of the equation here, so please object if you think this is wrong. So far, people seem to trust me (and rightfully so), but I can see how this feels like I'm setting something up to give me a win if I were PFK or something. I don't mind getting killed if it can ensure a win for town, but I obviously know the outcome of me getting killed.
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Post by Chucara on Nov 5, 2008 13:26:55 GMT -5
Oh, Misterblockey: Can you share what your power is? You are a likely scum target, as they seem to be targetting masons.
And Almost Human: Did you already claim, or do you object to doing so? You and bufftabby are the only ones who have not claimed a power so far (And blockey, but we trust him)
Same question goes to bufftabby, I suppose
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Post by bufftabby on Nov 5, 2008 14:01:38 GMT -5
Ah, you read my mind, Chuc. I came in here with the intention of doing that very thing.
I had three one-shot powers, and I've now used them. As I'm Multiple Man, these powers were from creating specialized multiples.
My first Multiple allowed me to protect one player. I protected Pollux Oil Night Five, and would have been unable to vote if the Multiple had been killed in PO's place. So no one made an attempted kill on PO that Night, hence my comment that I've been wondering about PO since Day Six.
My second Multiple allowed me to protect myself Night Six. I thought perhaps I'd be killed by scum as I was somewhat-confirmed Town. No one attempted to kill me.
My third Multiple allowed me to "lock the player of your choice into his or her room the Night after his creation. You must specify the target player when the Duplicate is created. All physical actions performed by or targeted against this player will fail." So I locked up CiaS on Night Seven.
So there you have it.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Nov 5, 2008 14:03:21 GMT -5
Oh, Misterblockey: Can you share what your power is? You are a likely scum target, as they seem to be targetting masons. nope I'll go ahead and play chicken with the scum is it always active, does it activate when I die, is it big, is it small?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Nov 5, 2008 17:19:34 GMT -5
SEEMS LIKE A GOOD TIME FOR A VOTE COUNT
Almost Human (3) – peekercpa, FCoD, misterblockey FCoD (3) – diggitcamara, bufftabby, Almost Human mhaye (1) – chucara
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 5, 2008 19:31:25 GMT -5
First thoughts on who to lynch.
Of the 10 players remaining in the game, we can be sure of the alignment of three; CIAS, DiggitCamara and Misterblockey. The first two named are not expected to live past the end of the current Day, so CIAS can be excluded from considerations of who I'm going to vote for.
For obvious reasons, I don't plan to support my own lynch. I assert that I am in fact Town, and will be proceeding on that basis in future discussions.
The remaining six fall into two neat groups; Pollux Oil and those he investigated, and everyone else.
I think we can rule out the possibility that PO is a Mafiate. Consider that KidVermicious was also a scum detective. Giving the scum two detectives seems overkill to me. He could be a PFK, I suppose, but if he is, how does his power help him win? The likelihood is that he is a Townie detective, and that would make Buff and Peeker town as well.
That leaves the others; Almost Human, Chuchara and FCOD.
Firstly I would like to hear some sort of power claim from AH. She claims to be Gambit, but has not explained her power or claimed any action by which her alignment can be verified. Not providing such a claim at this juncture creates the presumption that she can't, and she can't because it's a cover role for her true name.
Chuchara claims to be Kitty Pryde, a watcher. He sees whether the target takes some action, and whether anyone targets his subject. There have been enough agreements between Chuchara's claims and other player's claims that I think we can trust that these are his powers. I have a nagging worry about his alignment, but I can't see how this power can be made to help a 3rd party (or indeed Mr. Sinister) achieve their goals.
FCOD claims Longshot, who has the power to warp probability – he's lucky, and can pass unluck onto others. That fits quite well with what I understand the character's canon to be. My only question is, what alignment is he? Town or not? If I'm honest, FCOD seems to be the most likely candidate for a PFK role, if there is one.
If we're willing to take a risk, there's a way to test statements made by FCOD and Peeker Tonight. Let FCOD's illness run its course and see if he dies. If Peeker has accurately quoted his Pms, there is only a 25% chance a victim will die from the Virus; but according to FCOD, if something has a percentage chance of working on him, he'll always get the most favourable result.
I'll hold off voting until lunchtime or so tomorrow and see what happens.
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Post by bufftabby on Nov 5, 2008 19:52:01 GMT -5
I think we can rule out the possibility that PO is a Mafiate. Consider that KidVermicious was also a scum detective. Giving the scum two detectives seems overkill to me. He could be a PFK, I suppose, but if he is, how does his power help him win? The likelihood is that he is a Townie detective, and that would make Buff and Peeker town as well. Why would Pollux actually have to be a Detective? If he and KidV were scum together, they could each use some of KidV's results, seeing as how scum can communicate and all. I'm not convinced that's the case, but I'm certainly going to continue to entertain the possibility rather than dismiss it.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Nov 5, 2008 20:00:03 GMT -5
Ok, so after looking at Peeker's quoted PMs, it appears that being infected by the virus is a 100% chance, but the effects of the virus could be something other than dying, which has a 25% chance. This means that I will not die from the virus, but something else will happen...maybe nothing.
Therefore, I also suggest that peeker not feather me, because who knows, maybe the virus could have a beneficial effect.
--FCOD
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 5, 2008 20:14:03 GMT -5
I think we can rule out the possibility that PO is a Mafiate. Consider that KidVermicious was also a scum detective. Giving the scum two detectives seems overkill to me. He could be a PFK, I suppose, but if he is, how does his power help him win? The likelihood is that he is a Townie detective, and that would make Buff and Peeker town as well. Why would Pollux actually have to be a Detective? If he and KidV were scum together, they could each use some of KidV's results, seeing as how scum can communicate and all. I'm not convinced that's the case, but I'm certainly going to continue to entertain the possibility rather than dismiss it. I don't have a pievce of evidence that clearly disproves the thesis that PO is scum; I decided against it on the balance of probabilities. The problem I see with PO as a scum piggybacking on KidV's power is that one or the other would have to have lied at some point about who was investigated. KidV claimed to have made four investigations. Every one of those claimed investigations was either proved or agreed by the players concerned. Either the Kid truthfully reported who he investigated, and just lied about his alignment, or he made stuff up and investigated whoever PO was going to report on. That's a fairly risky play, don't you think? They could both report on the same player, of course - but when the second claim was made, that would get spotted. For Today, I'm going to look at the other group for a lynch victim.
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Post by Almost Human on Nov 5, 2008 22:04:24 GMT -5
That leaves the others; Almost Human, Chuchara and FCOD. Firstly I would like to hear some sort of power claim from AH. She claims to be Gambit, but has not explained her power or claimed any action by which her alignment can be verified. Not providing such a claim at this juncture creates the presumption that she can't, and she can't because it's a cover role for her true name. (snipped) Fair enough. I was hoping for scum to try and nightkill me but with me being in the group of unconfirmed I suppose that's unlikely so it won't make a huge difference to reveal it now. The second part of my power was never activated due to Rogue being discovered so quickly. Here you go (copied and pasted because I can't figure out how to do it the other way): So it isn't much of a power. If I'd found Rogue I'd have purposefully made myself more of a target for the scum as I'd have been unnightkillable and been able to take them out with me. I thought it meant unlynchable as well at first but it doesn't of course - that'd be too much. As it is if someone had killed me in the Night although they'd have probably survived, the opening colour would've shown them to be marked (I'm assuming burned but I couldn't get confirmation of that)
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 5, 2008 23:12:41 GMT -5
I am comfortable where my vote is currently. Someone is going to have to come up with something a heck of a lot more compelling at this point.
Are we back to the drop biscuit discussion?
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Post by Chucara on Nov 6, 2008 2:32:31 GMT -5
I don't necessarily trust PO, but I think probability speaks for him being Town. Should he be Sinister, fine - we'll get him later. What I'm the most worried about is MHaye being third party and stealing the win by killing Sinister or CiaS tonight. With the limited experience of mafia I have, I don't know how probable that is, but it seems to be we've got the game more or less secured if there aren't any PFKs.
Thinking aloud here:
It may be a slower approach, but what about having MHaye kill CiaS, DC kill MHaye, and lynch whoever we find the most suspiscious of Almost Human, FCOD and me? That way, we decrease the odds of handing the win to PFK, while not really risking anything, as we'd still be pretty good set for Tomorrow. The absolutely worst case would then be, with two scum remaining. (Assuming PO is telling the truth)
Worst case: bufftabby chucara Peeker PO CiaS FCOD
Killed: Almost Human (lynched) mhaye (DC) DC (Self died) Blockey (Killed by scum)
Scum would then be CiaS and FCOD. We'd lynch FCOD, they'd kill PO, and it'd be:
bufftabby chucara Peeker CiaS
Finally, we'd kill CiaS, who'd possibly take one or two of us with him, leaving just one townie.
Sure, it sounds risky, but this assuming the absolutely worst case. I really don't think we should be trusting MHaye, FCOD or Almost Human much at this point, and again - PFK might still be hiding.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Nov 6, 2008 3:35:58 GMT -5
well for starters I thought DC did the kill either right before or concurrent with the lynch, so assuming a night action for DC's target seems odd.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 6, 2008 9:21:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the claim, AH. It'll help me decide who to vote for. I don't necessarily trust PO, but I think probability speaks for him being Town. Should he be Sinister, fine - we'll get him later. What I'm the most worried about is MHaye being third party and stealing the win by killing Sinister or CiaS tonight. With the limited experience of mafia I have, I don't know how probable that is, but it seems to be we've got the game more or less secured if there aren't any PFKs. Thinking aloud here: It may be a slower approach, but what about having MHaye kill CiaS, DC kill MHaye, and lynch whoever we find the most suspiscious of Almost Human, FCOD and me? That way, we decrease the odds of handing the win to PFK, while not really risking anything, as we'd still be pretty good set for Tomorrow. The absolutely worst case would then be, with two scum remaining. (Assuming PO is telling the truth) [/quote] Not to put too fine a point on it, DC's kill power is a Day one; he dies at Dusk (at least as I understand it). If I'm dead by Nightfall, I don't get a Nightkill. Thus your plan leaves a known scum alive to Day 9. The Town would then have no way to eliminate him except lynching, which risks a retributive strike against one of his lynchers; the very reason you suggested DC remove him from the game in the first place. The trouble is, Chuchara, that you seem to have put a set of blinkers on.. You've decided that I am not Town, and your scheme is predicated on that. You have not adduced any evidence that this is the case; it's an assumption. Why not try assuming that I am Town - just to see what follows? As an intellectual exercise. Your scheme would result in the deaths of at least 3 and possibly 4 Townies (depending on the alignment of AH - I agree that MrB is a likely Night hit candidate). If there is a PFK with a still-possible win condition in that group, the Town can't win. You're left deciding whether the PFK or the scum win. Not an appetising prospect for a Townsman. I want to absorb AH's claim, then I'll put a vote in.
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Post by Chucara on Nov 6, 2008 9:55:30 GMT -5
I had overlooked the fact that DC's kill was a day kill. I'll keep my "vote" on DC killing CiaS again.
MHaye: No, I am just saying that I think we are taking a big risk trusting you. If you are PFK, and we kill the rest of scum, you win the game. Is that crazy? On the other hand, even in the worst case, Town still wins the game (with fewer people alive, yes, but still a win). And worst case is unlikely to happen.
You claiming vigilante just seems like awfully convenient.
Nevertheless, as I appear to be the only one with this thought, I'll leave it at that, and change my vote to:
unvote MHaye vote Almost Human
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Post by CatInASuit on Nov 6, 2008 9:59:05 GMT -5
Actually, despite a few holes, I don't think Chucara is too far from the truth.
From insider info and a re-read, I certainly don't want a PFK win any more than the town does. This means
vote MHaye
Mr Sinister, I wish I could leave some extra notes behind for toNight assuming you join us. But if you are, who I think you are, I suggest option 2.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 6, 2008 10:38:14 GMT -5
MHaye: No, I am just saying that I think we are taking a big risk trusting you. If you are PFK, and we kill the rest of scum, you win the game. Is that crazy? On the other hand, even in the worst case, Town still wins the game (with fewer people alive, yes, but still a win). And worst case is unlikely to happen. I'm saying that your perception of the risk is skewed because you start with the belief that I'm not Town. You claiming vigilante just seems like awfully convenient. What did you expect me to do? Make up some plausible lie? That's what non-Townies do; lie. It's ultimately how you tell the difference between Town and not-Town.
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Post by Chucara on Nov 6, 2008 11:01:23 GMT -5
I'm saying that your perception of the risk is skewed because you start with the belief that I'm not Town. What did you expect me to do? Make up some plausible lie? That's what non-Townies do; lie. It's ultimately how you tell the difference between Town and not-Town. Roll with me here... We have no reasons to trust that you are not PFK. I know you said so, but that isn't really going to cut it. You've got to admit that if your win condition is killing whoever killed Jean Grey, you'll win tonight if PO is telling the truth. That is a risk. Your opinion is skewed as well, as you know you are town (if that is the case). And no, I didn't expect you to make up a plausible lie. I expected you to do exactly what you did if you were town. This isn't your fault in any way if you are town, but as you are in the pile of unconfirmed, you need to be prepared to face scrutiny. Frankly, I'm surprised that me and CiaS are the only ones doing so. Once again, I have moved my vote from you, but if you are town, try to see this from someone who doesn't know your alignment's perspective.
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