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Day Two
Jul 30, 2007 12:56:20 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2007 12:56:20 GMT -5
Dawn comes with the hope of peace...but sadly, no peace was to be found. Only one person found that peace. But very unfortunatly she was in pieces.
The town all gathered around the corpse and tried to piece it back together. They eventually made an identification when they found the poor girl's head in a mailbox.
They put the body all together again and gazed sadly down at the face they all knew. Nay, it was one of the most familiar of the bunch. They had just all been stuck in a room with her and listened about how she and her associate were trying to capture or kill all of the escaped Psychopaths.
Dr hockeymonkey Smith, the Therapist and Lover, is dead.
They all shook their heads sadly and then heard a wail from another house. They all rushed to that house and burst into the door. Oh no! It seems the town as a whole was NOT the first to discover the gruesome sight that morning. No...it was another girl who had woken before anyone else and stepped out to get her morning paper before seeing her loved one's body all over the ground. She then slammed the door and fell into deep depression and sadness, crying and beating her hands against the wall. Why Hockey? Why did they have to kill her? They had met at a girl bar three months ago and have been dating ever since, falling more and more in love with each other.
Nobody else knew this, of course, because they wanted to keep the secret coupling private. But it was apparent when the town stepped into the house and saw the other girl with her head in the oven and a note written on the table that this was a far uglier situation then they thought.
To whoever finds me: I'm sorry. But I cannot live without my lover, Hockey Monkey. I am going to go join her in heaven. Again, I'm sorry..
Much luck, Kat
Kat, a townie and Lover, has commit suicide
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It is now Day Two
Player list:
1. Blaster Master 2. Hal Briston 3. Storyteller0910 4. Malacandra
5. Hockey Monkey Dr Smith, Therapist; Lover 6. MadtheSwine 7. Capybara
8. Drain Bead Psychopath 9. DiggitCamera
10. Kat Townie; Lover 11. dotchan 12. GreedySmurf 13. Roosh 14. dnooman 15. cowgirl 16. nesta 17. Pygmy Rugger 18. JSexton 19. Mhaye
It will take TWELVE votes to automatically lynch someone, or whoever has the most votes at the end of the Day.
Day will end on Thursday, August 2nd, at 7pm, PST.
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Day Two
Jul 30, 2007 12:58:56 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 30, 2007 12:58:56 GMT -5
Wow. That... um... sucked spectacularly.
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Jul 30, 2007 13:00:52 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 30, 2007 13:00:52 GMT -5
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! Dammit! How did that happen? Good luck town. Bah!
I'm off to join my lover, my dearest Kat and try to get her to quit being a Zombie. It's not a good look for her.
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Jul 30, 2007 13:02:08 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Jul 30, 2007 13:02:08 GMT -5
Son of a &$(#%$(&*%*^%$!!!!
You crazies will pay dearly for this!
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Jul 30, 2007 13:06:10 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Jul 30, 2007 13:06:10 GMT -5
Ok, it really sucks that we lost a doctor and a townie. But, damn, is it hot that hockey monkey and kat were lovers!
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Jul 30, 2007 13:15:14 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 30, 2007 13:15:14 GMT -5
Oh, you've got to be kidding me! The therapist, gone on Night One??
Damn fine start by the town...unfortunately, the psychos managed to return that shot with a little something extra.
Damn...
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Jul 30, 2007 13:19:10 GMT -5
Post by Malacandra on Jul 30, 2007 13:19:10 GMT -5
Oh, FFS. ::headdesk:: The only way this would suck more would be if Kat had been the murder victim and the Therapist had to suicide. (I know it comes to the same thing in the end, but I think you see what I mean.) I know Cupid only did what Cupid had to do, but damn.
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Jul 30, 2007 13:31:27 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 30, 2007 13:31:27 GMT -5
Damn. I'm really sorry to see the both of you go. Oh, FFS. ::headdesk:: The only way this would suck more would be if Kat had been the murder victim and the Therapist had to suicide. (I know it comes to the same thing in the end, but I think you see what I mean.) I know Cupid only did what Cupid had to do, but damn. Oh no, things could have been worse. Kat could have been Dr. Johnson. My worst fears about those roles realised, and on Night One.
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Jul 30, 2007 13:31:58 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 13:31:58 GMT -5
Oh my! This is a roller-coaster already, and it's only Day Two!?
And poor Kat, knocked out of two games in a row very quickly, and both through no fault of her own.
Pygmy - I had the same thought, but it looks like you beat me to it.
On non-fluff point, I have a few comments on things I missed late in the Day yesterday (I generally don't have much if any time on the weekends to check in). I'll be posting those thoughts presently.
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Jul 30, 2007 13:41:49 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 30, 2007 13:41:49 GMT -5
The Therapist... that's the one that checks who people are? and the other protects, right?
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Jul 30, 2007 13:45:24 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Jul 30, 2007 13:45:24 GMT -5
The above quote is from Mhaye (I can't get the quote= thing to work yet) This post really bothers me for several reasons:
It was pretty much moot. Only 17 minutes remained, Dotchanwas the only person to have not voted, and DB was two votes in the lead. It did lower the chances that Mal could get lynched, but that’s another story. Mhaye had to have known that his vote mattered little at this point, yet he chose to write this long post about why everyone else voted for DB. He did it before in his previous post as well, but for Mal.
He mentioned DrainBead’s name 11 freaking times in that post!! To me this is screaming “look at me voting the same way these other people are! She’s my fellow crazy person, but she’s done for and I need to be on record as a pro-town voter!” I don’t see a townsperson voting for who they see as scum, I see a scum trying to justify why they are voting for someone they know is scum. The constant mention of the other voters, and why they voted seems to be a distancing tactic to me. I can see the above post both affirming our correct guesses (that are basically too late to influence), and affirming our incorrect guesses in order to throw us off.
He mentions twice how he “almost voted for” DrainBead, but the bulk of his post is just rehashing other peoples votes with this as his only personal insight:
The best case scenario for Mhaye as I see it, is that he is a misguided townie who defers to everyone else’s judgment, and votes for the lead vote getter. This does not help town. I think he’s likely a crazy lesbian killer. I could be wrong, but I don’t feel wrong.
I’m not quite ready to take my FOS off of Malacandra, but I think I’m ready to Vote for Mhaye.
Did anyone read that post and not find it scummy sounding?
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Jul 30, 2007 13:49:34 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 13:49:34 GMT -5
With regard to meta-reasoning. I saw a few posts regarding Greedy Smurf about meta-reasoning. While I'm pretty darn suspicious of him, I want to point out that any reasoning regarding when he is or is not online is spurious at best, and misleading at worst.
As several people have pointed out, many of us open a browser window/tab to this board and the Dope, and so seeing them as online could very well mean the browser is open while they're doing work. Thus, a player could look like they're online and lurking and when they respond suddenly, it could simply be an artifact of a lull in their work.
Similarly, being offline can be done forcibly, such that someone could be deliberately lurking with that option turned off, and they could then turn it only only when they want it to look like they're on.
Now, the first is unintentional and harmless, and the latter is deliberate, but could also be a method used for a power role to try to hide. Either way, because it's impossible to draw these sorts of tells back to anything, I think its best to ignore them.
That all said, because of my suspicion of Greedy Smurf, I'm going to go back and re-evaluate the reasoning against him in light of the Night's revelations. Part of my reasoning was based on Hockey Monkey's vote for dnooman, so I'll have to see how this affects that.
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Jul 30, 2007 13:51:47 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 30, 2007 13:51:47 GMT -5
and just reading over the last 25 or so of Hockey's posts seems to show that she had posted the fact that she was keeping a detailed list of voting habits, which she showed to us all. And during day one, she was very anti-Malacandra instead of joining the Dnoowagon or the Drainwagon (though she did agree that Drainbead was a scummy looking suspect, she felt more inclined to go after Malacandra)....
And for that. Malacandra say hello to my FOS. FOS play nice with Malacandra
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Jul 30, 2007 13:57:15 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 30, 2007 13:57:15 GMT -5
and just reading over the last 25 or so of Hockey's posts seems to show that she had posted the fact that she was keeping a detailed list of voting habits, which she showed to us all. And during day one, she was very anti-Malacandra instead of joining the Dnoowagon or the Drainwagon (though she did agree that Drainbead was a scummy looking suspect, she felt more inclined to go after Malacandra).... And for that. Malacandra say hello to my FOS. FOS play nice with Malacandra Hockey Monkey never had a chance to investigate anyone; her first Day suspicion of Malacandra has literally no more basis than anyone else's. This is either careless, or a scummy attempt to refocus attention on a Day 1 target by hiding behind a confirmed power role. I'm guessing the latter. And since I'm starting to feel like the FoS is a bit of a cop out, how's about we go directly to: vote Roosh(subject to change)
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Jul 30, 2007 13:57:32 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 13:57:32 GMT -5
Oh, FFS. ::headdesk:: The only way this would suck more would be if Kat had been the murder victim and the Therapist had to suicide. (I know it comes to the same thing in the end, but I think you see what I mean.) I know Cupid only did what Cupid had to do, but damn. You know, I see where you're coming from, but this also made me think. Had they gotten Kat instead, the death of Hockey Monkey would have just been a lucky break. Especially since I can't imagine there's much in the way of tells for lovers, since there's only two and they don't know the other's alignment. What this means is that either they took a stab and got really lucky, or worse, they saw something that pegged her as a power role.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:11:53 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Jul 30, 2007 14:11:53 GMT -5
and just reading over the last 25 or so of Hockey's posts seems to show that she had posted the fact that she was keeping a detailed list of voting habits, which she showed to us all. And during day one, she was very anti-Malacandra instead of joining the Dnoowagon or the Drainwagon (though she did agree that Drainbead was a scummy looking suspect, she felt more inclined to go after Malacandra).... And for that. Malacandra say hello to my FOS. FOS play nice with MalacandraWIFOM if you will, but the crazies could have been trying to frame him.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:12:02 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Jul 30, 2007 14:12:02 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot to add this little quote from Mhaye
Again, deferring to other people's opinions, or just plain ol' bandwaggoning. Neither is a pro-town behavior. It's just about as "I'm just like you guys" as you can get. Sometimes trying to blend in really sticks out.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:14:58 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 14:14:58 GMT -5
In memory of Hockey Monkey, and because I find it useful...
Green is Pro-Town, Orange is Psycho. I can do more specific coloring if anyone thinks it will make it more useful.
Day One
drainbead (8) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine, Blaster Master, GreedySmurf, dnooman, nesta, mhaye
GreedySmurf (5) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera, kat, Malacandra
Malacandra (4) - hockeymonkey, drainbead, cowgirl, capybara
Hal Briston (1) - pygmyrugger
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Jul 30, 2007 14:16:16 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2007 14:16:16 GMT -5
Mhaye (1) - dnooman Roosh (1) - Storyteller0910
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Jul 30, 2007 14:16:40 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2007 14:16:40 GMT -5
The Therapist... that's the one that checks who people are? and the other protects, right? Yep.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:35:29 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 14:35:29 GMT -5
Post 1.311 This is a very good point that I'd overlooked. I had given consideration to the first part, which is why I was starting to think he may have been trying to protect drainbead and/or Greedy Smurf. However, your second point puts into light that it pretty much makes no sense for him to make that move if he's scum either. Why should he create a three-way tie if he's scum, if he could have put Greedy Smurf into the lead, unless Greedy Smurf is also scum and he had an "Oh crap!" moment and voted for the only other option to TRY to save both of them.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:42:11 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Jul 30, 2007 14:42:11 GMT -5
Meta-gamish question: Now that the Lovers are dead, does Cupid pick another two saps players to join via the red string of destiny?
Another meta-gamish question: If one of the Lovers had been a Crazy Townie, would we have had a third death?
Analyzing deaths doesn't seem all that useful to me...it's not like we can read the psycho's minds. (And it almost seems like a scummy thing to do, like the scum want to show off how smart they or something.)
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Jul 30, 2007 14:48:15 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Jul 30, 2007 14:48:15 GMT -5
<snip> Analyzing deaths doesn't seem all that useful to me...it's not like we can read the psycho's minds. (And it almost seems like a scummy thing to do, like the scum want to show off how smart they or something.) Umm... really? Then how do you propose we move forward?
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Jul 30, 2007 14:50:59 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 30, 2007 14:50:59 GMT -5
Meta-gamish question: Now that the Lovers are dead, does Cupid pick another two saps players to join via the red string of destiny? Nope. Yep.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:52:47 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 14:52:47 GMT -5
Meta-gamish question: Now that the Lovers are dead, does Cupid pick another two saps players to join via the red string of destiny? Another meta-gamish question: If one of the Lovers had been a Crazy Townie, would we have had a third death? Analyzing deaths doesn't seem all that useful to me...it's not like we can read the psycho's minds. (And it almost seems like a scummy thing to do, like the scum want to show off how smart they or something.) Of course, I leave the final answer up to our moderator Idle Thoughts, but I believe the answers to your questions are no and yes, respectively. As far as analyzing deaths, there can be good things and bad things that can come from it. In this case, I don't think there's much to be learned because at this point, without confirmed citizens, the only reasonable scum actions are A) gun for power roles (by far, the most likely action) or B) do something that will protect your own or ease the lynch of a townie. I haven't gone back and tried to figure out what Hockey Monkey's tell might have been if that was why she was killed, largely because I haven't yet had time, but also because it's really more for posterity and future "don't play the detective like this" knowledge. However, because I also don't really see how the death of Hockey Monkey could lead the town toward or away from anyone, I'm inclined to think they killed her because she looked like a power role. IOW, specifically for this case, I think she was killed because they were gunning for a power role. And, however they determined that, they were right. Which, ultimately, leaves us with no other information from that perspective.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:55:55 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Jul 30, 2007 14:55:55 GMT -5
Umm... really? Then how do you propose we move forward? By discussing Day One's posts and voting action.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:56:13 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Jul 30, 2007 14:56:13 GMT -5
Analyzing deaths doesn't seem all that useful to me...it's not like we can read the psycho's minds. (And it almost seems like a scummy thing to do, like the scum want to show off how smart they or something.) Huh? Analyzing deaths is one of the *only* useful things we can do-- those deaths and verified roles are the only information we actually have and we *have* to try to read the psychos minds. And it being scummy? That's a very strange suggestion and I don't get the argument. Are you really suggesting that we shouldn't analyze the reasons someone may have been killed? Please clarify. Hockeymonkey was presumably targeted for a reason, and if it's possible to determine a couple of good candidates for a reason it's a good thing, no?
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Jul 30, 2007 15:03:11 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 15:03:11 GMT -5
<snip> Analyzing deaths doesn't seem all that useful to me...it's not like we can read the psycho's minds. (And it almost seems like a scummy thing to do, like the scum want to show off how smart they or something.) Umm... really? Then how do you propose we move forward? Well, since I already addressed the analysis of deaths and said that I don't think there's much to go on from there, I DO think there's a fair amount of information in the voting yesterday, especially since we nailed a psycho. For instance, knowing that she was likely toast, why did drainbead vote for Malacandra rather than Greedy Smurf? If Greedy Smurf were a townie, she easily could have justified the vote saying she knew she was town and could have rehashed any of the arguments that were made against him. Similarly, what about the late votes on drainbead? It's not uncommon for scum to jump on another scum when they realize they can't perform a vote swing without probably getting both of them caught as well. I think this is part of the case that dnooman lays out against MHaye.
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Jul 30, 2007 15:04:38 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 30, 2007 15:04:38 GMT -5
Umm... really? Then how do you propose we move forward? Well, since I already addressed the analysis of deaths and said that I don't think there's much to go on from there, I DO think there's a fair amount of information in the voting yesterday, especially since we nailed a psycho. For instance, knowing that she was likely toast, why did drainbead vote for Malacandra rather than Greedy Smurf? If Greedy Smurf were a townie, she easily could have justified the vote saying she knew she was town and could have rehashed any of the arguments that were made against him. Similarly, what about the late votes on drainbead? It's not uncommon for scum to jump on another scum when they realize they can't perform a vote swing without probably getting both of them caught as well. I think this is part of the case that dnooman lays out against MHaye. Oops... I meant to hit preview. I didn't really have much more to say anyway besides... Anyone else have thoughts on this or other incidents from Yesterday?
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Jul 30, 2007 15:13:48 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Jul 30, 2007 15:13:48 GMT -5
Greedy
Read the above assuming Greedy is town and in the dark about everyone else's roles, go ahead, I'll wait.
Ok, now read the above assuming Greedy is scum, knows that DrainBead is a fellow scum, and is able to communicate with her in private. He could even ask her permission before voting for her! That would have to be some seriously crafty meta-game thinking IMO if he were scum.
Why would he take heat off himself and put it on another scum? If he were going to vote for a scum that might have been "sacrificial", he could just say that he gets a scum vibe from her and leave it at that. No need for any "sorry if you're town" business, unless he wanted to throw a wrench into our thinking. Keep in mind that DrainBead getting lynched was still up in the air at this point.
Why am I saying this? I really don't think that the above actions are those of a scum. If they are, then color me fooled. I don't want to let any scum try to rekindle a bandwagon on Greedy and muddy the waters.
I want a psychopath's head on a pike tonight! They got too lucky last night and they need to pay in blood.
If there are any holes in my theory that anyone sees, feel free to point them out.
If he turns out to be scum, I will actually punch myself in the face.
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