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Jul 31, 2007 12:11:56 GMT -5
Post by Mad The Swine on Jul 31, 2007 12:11:56 GMT -5
Ahh...I see nesta has the same thought.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 12:24:14 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Jul 31, 2007 12:24:14 GMT -5
Aiee! Capybara called my name again! ;D
Believe it or not, I was paralyzed by indecision on Day One. With so many players, and so little to go by, I wasn't sure what to do, which turned out to be a bad thing in retrospect.
So today I'm going to throw out vote(s). The point of the game is to find scum, after all, and even if I'm the nicest person in the world I should be voting to string people up.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 12:46:28 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jul 31, 2007 12:46:28 GMT -5
Does the insert quote function only work on the thread you are in? I can't insert a quote from Day1 over into Day2. Anyhoo,after rereading drain's posts from Day1, I noticed the very last three she made(while living) are concerning dnooman... and seems to be defending him. Noob mistake in trying to clear suspicion of fellow scum dnoo, or trying to set him up and take down an innocent with her? Also,her lack of defense for herself is curious.She seemed resigned to her fate,almost like it was pre-arranged. Whadda ya'll think? Excellent question. ( here's one sample, if not the first, of said defensive activity ). My guess is that, since scum have Day communication lines, it may very well have been a directed affair... I can't imagine none of them spotting it and asking her to stop it. And she did it at least three times (that I can see). In the post I linked to she mentions GreedySmurf in passing and stops mentioning her... I'll take a look at the "voting-leaders-scoreboard" at the time to figure out where she was coming from.
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Jul 31, 2007 13:10:01 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jul 31, 2007 13:10:01 GMT -5
Well, after looking at the scoreboard at the time of that post, drainbead was tied at the lead with GreedySmurf (3 votes each), with dnooman close behind with 2 votes. From that perspective, it seems odd that she didn't vote against any of them but rather shortly afterwards for Malacandra once that bandwagon seemed to pick up steam. I have a really bad feeling that all three of our leading vote getters are town--I know my own role, of course, and I'm pretty sure that Greedy Smurf's errors are more the mistakes of newbie town than scum. I'm not sure about dnooman, but only because we've been given very little to go on there. (snipped) And even though she seems far more "convinced" Greedy Smurf is town, she stops mentioning her altogether. And Greedy was in far more danger of being lynched than dnooman .
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 13:42:50 GMT -5
Post by Mad The Swine on Jul 31, 2007 13:42:50 GMT -5
Well, after looking at the scoreboard at the time of that post, drainbead was tied at the lead with GreedySmurf (3 votes each), with dnooman close behind with 2 votes. From that perspective, it seems odd that she didn't vote against any of them but rather shortly afterwards for Malacandra once that bandwagon seemed to pick up steam. I have a really bad feeling that all three of our leading vote getters are town--I know my own role, of course, and I'm pretty sure that Greedy Smurf's errors are more the mistakes of newbie town than scum. I'm not sure about dnooman, but only because we've been given very little to go on there. (snipped) And even though she seems far more "convinced" Greedy Smurf is town, she stops mentioning her altogether. And Greedy was in far more danger of being lynched than dnooman . So,you are suspicious of who, dnoo? I'm not sure what you are saying here.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 13:51:20 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 31, 2007 13:51:20 GMT -5
Roosh also seems towny. storyteller first voted for drainbead and it was Roosh who filled out the argument here. That's what really got the bandwagon going and I can't see scum doing such a thing. Altho, Roosh, I'm not vibing your FOS on JSexton. Is it still there? if so, would you mind reiterating your reasons? or was it just because of his persecution of Greedy? The main reason I had a FOS on JSexton was it started w/ his random vote. Obviously that's no longer a reason anymore, but it was what got me looking at the guy from day one. But then it was on day one when Drainbead had 3 votes on him (From Story, me and recently Mad the Swine just cast the 3rd vote)vote), he then goes and states in Reply 242: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=1185314220&page=9#1185543636Which i didn't like, but he follows it up with a 2nd post 3 hours later (which is fine with me, people take time to write up arguments... but still.... I just dislike quick voting.):Reply #252 psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=1185314220&page=9#1185552519That's the post where he makes his arguments. I just didn't like his points that GreedySmurf was giving a "noob scum" tell and that he was "lurking". If the guy's a noob (as my friend who isn't playing the game said to me: he wanted to play, but didn't feel comfortable yet, so he'd prolly just watch this game to see how it played out first, and so My friend actually does watch these boards but he's not registered or anything- textbook lurker- I would think that if Greedy is a Noob, then he might do the same thing, which is wait and see what's going on to try to get a handle on the day. I probably would have waited myself to get situated to the game, except I got random voted in like the first few hours and I was surprised by that. It brought me into the game, and since then i've been following it quite well). So if Greedy is a noob, I'd forgive him for doing the same thing that i woulda done. But not Jsexton, who casts the first vote for the guy. And maybe it was a noob scum tell, but i didn't think it was a stronger arguement than the one we had vs. Drainbead. So i felt his vote may have been deflecting us from the real issue: that Drainbead was actually doing some cheap tactics by contradicting his ideas, by casting doubt on a Guy who was showing signs of newbieness.... Then Hal and Diggit quickly jump onto Jsexton's side making it a 3 voter vs. our 3 voters. All in all i felt blaster's arguements in Reply #260 psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=1185314220&page=9#1185556568 were the ones I most strongly agreed with, and felt Greedy was a newbie, and therefore more likely to make mistakes that'd make him look guilty (something that i can relate to currently it seems). That is the MAJOR reasoning I have for Jsexton's FOSing. Because later in the day, i even start to feel bad for him, because he might just have actually believed he had the stronger case, and I do make a few posts trying to say i feel for him, but i think i've got the stronger case. A no hard feelings sorta thing.... But then came Day 2. Day 2, I FOSed Mal for 2 reasons. One I did want to keep him fresh in my mind, and keep him on my list, just like i had w/ JSexton. However, as the day has gone on, Mal's been making some points, and I'm liking them. I don't really think he's that suspicious, but i'll still keep the finger on him. (One reason why in that post of mine, my FOS was so lighthearted.... Well, at least- I thought it was funny). But the 2nd reason was, I wanted to see what would happen. Would anyone else also go after Malacandra, knowing he could be an easy target (Especially after someone has just FOSed the guy)? Unfortunately, it got me a vote from Storyteller, and it was one that surprised me, because I hadn't been paying attention to the guy. And so while i'm thinking about what to say, in comes in Reply #51 day 2. psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=1185818180&page=2#1185833712Where JSexton of all people comes in and drops a vote on Malacandra. Which maybe how he feels but I felt its a weak arguement, and maybe Jsexton has more to go on other than just the voting of Greedysmurf while saying Drain is prolly a better vote. Yes, that does sound like a scummy point against Mal, but i don't know if its a damning point against the dude. I do think it's a reason to keep watching Mal, but then again, I'm not so quick with my votes, so i guess its just the difference of styles. What I dislike though, is that Storyteller has said nothing against this point. He called me out for FOSing Malacandra, but has said nothing against JSexton for his VOTING of Mal. (I also really don't like Dotchan's vote for Malacandra in Reply #62, only because it seems like her only good/valid point is the Dnooman vote). I was curious to see if anyone would jump on Malacandra on day 2, so I posted a FOS on the guy to remind myself of looking at him, and to encourage this behavior perhaps. Maybe it would lead to clues. And it has led to the guy getting 2 votes, one of which seems very flimsy and the other from a guy on my FOS list. While I myself have been struck with a vote from Storyteller for doing the FOS, while he seems to turn a blind eye to Jsexton. I don't have anything yet to make a stronger case against Jsexton, Storyteller, Malacandra or maybe even Dotchan, but this behavior to me just seems... unusual. My hunch is that story and Jsexton are playing for the same team. What team that is? I don't know. They could both be scum or geniuses. That's the Vibe I'm getting right now from thier behavior. But I def. feel as though somewhere in that net of FoS's I've got a scum.... Only time will tell. Thanks for the chance to explain myself, Cowgirl. ~R
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Jul 31, 2007 14:03:07 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 31, 2007 14:03:07 GMT -5
What I dislike though, is that Storyteller has said nothing against this point. He called me out for FOSing Malacandra, but has said nothing against JSexton for his VOTING of Mal. (I also really don't like Dotchan's vote for Malacandra in Reply #62, only because it seems like her only good/valid point is the Dnooman vote). I suspect you are misunderstanding the reason that I called you out for your post. It is not the fact that you voted for Malacandra that piqued my suspicion; it was the reasons you gave for doing so. I have not called out JSexton for his vote because the stated reasons for his vote seem consistent with what he says and not forced. Not all votes for Malacandra are the same, as it were. This is not the reason you gave for posting the FoS. Assuming the above is true, and you were trying to set a trap for scum, can you understand why your FoS - for which your stated reasoning was flimsy - would seem like reaching to me? Previously covered. I am curious if you really can't see the difference between my treatment of JSexton's vote and my treatment of your FoS, or if you are trying to invent inconsistency in my position.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 14:11:00 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jul 31, 2007 14:11:00 GMT -5
So,you are suspicious of who, dnoo? I'm not sure what you are saying here. Actually, I was trying to get some facts out there and see what everyone else thought about them. Left to my own devices, I'd be more suspicious of Greedy because drainbead stopped mentioning her, despite Greedy being in more danger than dnooman. It would depend on drainbead's Daytime communication with other scum (it's conceivable, though unlikely, that she didn't go there to discuss strategy). In the likely case that she went there to gather opinions, we'd be getting into territory that's awfully similar to trying to get information out of a Night kill.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 14:23:50 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Jul 31, 2007 14:23:50 GMT -5
Anyhoo,after rereading drain's posts from Day1, I noticed the very last three she made(while living) are concerning dnooman... and seems to be defending him. Noob mistake in trying to clear suspicion of fellow scum dnoo, or trying to set him up and take down an innocent with her? Also,her lack of defense for herself is curious.She seemed resigned to her fate,almost like it was pre-arranged. Whadda ya'll think? On point one, I'm loathe to draw any conclusions because, as you'll recall from M4 (for example), Zuma is very sure that I'm town. My biggest defender, in fact, aside from Gadarene, who really sticks up for me. Ugh. On point 2, I thought that was interesting also. All highly hypothetical, but is it possible that all the other scum were already on the other bandwagons and moving around couldn't have helped? Or somehow the math showed the writing on the wall and it was clear that any argument in her defense would be futile at best and look scumtastic at worst? In the latter case it's still possible that there was at least one (or more) scum vote for her early on in the day that *could* have been moved but near it end it was clear that it wouldn't help so they kept it there for the sake of confounding the spreadsheet data. Stream of consciousness point that other players may already have arrived at: I'm half afraid that the spreadsheet "habit of mind" may bite us in the ass in some way further along. Now that the scum are quite used to its presence in these games I'm sure they've realized that it can be manipulated more subtly that we'd initially conceive: in fact I am almost certain that among the first 5 votes for Drain there is scum. Mhaye's late vote *might* or *might not* relate to this as well-- would we be sloppy enough to note those votes on Drain without taking into account the precise manner in which they got there? We need to not get lazy-- in later Days when we analyze that voting data we can't see it as pure or neutral data: when considering Day 1 or 2 votes we need to really look back and review the reasons cited for a vote and for the order of the voting, and the timing, etc. I think context is going to be everything.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 15:49:12 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 31, 2007 15:49:12 GMT -5
This is not the reason you gave for posting the FoS. Assuming the above is true, and you were trying to set a trap for scum, can you understand why your FoS - for which your stated reasoning was flimsy - would seem like reaching to me? Yes. I can see where you're coming from. And I don't like it because i know its a vote in the wrong direction (assuming you're town), but i doubt i can really say much to change that for now. But it doesn't mean i have to like the vote on me. And as for JSexton, I still don't like his reasonings for voting Malacandra, i wish he could post something more. And there's a huge difference between saying something looks fishy and going out and VOTING for a person, Story. You keep saying I voted for Mal, when this is NOT the case. FoSin' Mal for a flimsy reason vs. Voting for Mal based on a flimsy reason are not the same things, and you know that.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 15:49:38 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on Jul 31, 2007 15:49:38 GMT -5
pygmyrugger, just for old time's sake, I thought I'd bring up something from your past. Here, you said I would like to hear more.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 16:00:59 GMT -5
Post by Mad The Swine on Jul 31, 2007 16:00:59 GMT -5
The more I think about it,the more I am convinced that drain's death was orchestrated by the scum. First,I can't understand the lack of defense from drain and especially lack of a false role-claim on Day1! I understand that drain claimed noob status,but she also admitted to following at least two of the games,maybe more, on SDMB and I got the impression she did so closely. Plus,assuming every single scum in this game is not a noob and assuming she did visit the scumboard during Day1,I gotta believe, had it not been pre-arranged, she would have been asked to false role-claim by one of the more experienced players,even though I feel she knew to do it anyway,unless of course,it was a pre-arranged death. Looking back at Day1 this post by story bothered me a lot when it was made psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=1185314220&page=5#1185454937 then I thought if drain turns out to be scum then story must be town...but what bothered me the most about it is how readily he agreed with me,something I ain't use to,especially from story.After the killing I thought cool story is a good guy,but I still couldn't shake the bad vibes so I looked around and came up with all this. After that I think the exchanges between story and drain in Day1 may have several tells in them,look at those posts,tell me what you think. One other thing that bothers me about story is this night time post: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=1185652626&page=1#1185663912seems out of character for him Also,rightly or wrongly,(and no offense to the poo flinging hockey) but from what I can tell he is one of the most feared players in the game and, on the surface it appears, he was a big factor in hunting down a scum on the very first night...Why didn't the scum feel he was a danger? He certainly wasn't in danger of being Day killed(so they thought)..why not Night kill him and do away with one of the instrumental players in drains death and a feared player to boot? One last thing is story's vote for Roosh early this Day.Big PING on the scumdar So for whatever reason,they drew straws, drain volunteered to sacrifice herself or was gonna hafta withdraw and sub out,they decided it would be a great time to sacrifice a scum and what better game to try it in,one in which they can talk during the Day. I will vote storyteller and put a heavy HOS on dnooman and Roosh.
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Jul 31, 2007 16:26:01 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Jul 31, 2007 16:26:01 GMT -5
Mmmmm. Nope, Mad. Some of this I can get behind, but parts. . . I'm not seeing it. Some Baroque connections there. Deciding why the scum killed someone instead of Story seems even more of a fool's errand than (so I've been told) figuring out why they killed someone is itself.
WHY would they draw straws (or whatever) to get one of themselves killed? That 'for whatever reason' makes handwaving gestures to dispel consideration of reasoning behind a very strange action-- reasoning that has to be at least vaguely grasped to make sense of it at all. "For whatever reason, I chose to lather myself in pitch, put on fake amazon-parrot wings made of mylar and chocolate sprinkles and went to the plaza at city hall, laid down in front of a herd of goats and started humming Cocteau Twins songs and making dirt-angels in the mud." A scum sub would be much better than a death. Why on earth a prearranged death? (I have no idea what you think it might have served-- maybe this is because I'm dense. Are you envisioning the planting of very deep moles?). I see a death as an unforeseen side effect and the best made of a bad turn, but the death as part of the primary plot? I'm used to not quite following your train of thoughts-- I think we have quite different reasoning styles even when we're on the same side, but this is a little moreso than usual, so if you could back up and unpack this. . . kthx.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 17:06:06 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2007 17:06:06 GMT -5
Malacandra (2) - JSexton, dotchan Mhaye (1) - dnooman Roosh (1) - Storyteller0910 Storyteller0910 (1) - Mad the Swine
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Jul 31, 2007 17:18:26 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 31, 2007 17:18:26 GMT -5
I will vote storyteller and put a heavy HOS on dnooman and Roosh. I think you have an interesting theory; however, it reminds me a lot of some of the discussion that was going around in MV with regard to ArizonaTeach namely that some people thought he was scum (before he was lynched), orchestrated a break-down, and asked to be subbed out. That to me, was not only a reach to begin with, but it sort of defeats the whole point of playing the game if you're going to sub out or sacrifice yourself on the first day. All you're really doing is saying "I'm gonna watch, except now I have a vested interest in who wins". This is similar here, in that a psycho would have to essentially volunteer to not play and, especially for a first time player, that would just plain suck. Now, if I were to pick up this theory and run with it, I'd say that I don't think the lynch wagon was intentional, because of the nature of the arguments that were raised again drainbead by storyteller. If storyteller is scum as well, then I'd think it more likely that the collaborated that he would pick her as his "pet project" to go after most of the game, hence why he provided a lot of "points" but nothing that couldn't have easily been explained away by noobness (which would also explain why she was picked as his target. Thus, I would say IF storyteller is scum, then it was probably an attempt to get a vote on scum so he could play a similar model to his M2 scum victory, but certainly I dont' think a lynchwagon would be the intention there. Now, as for storyteller, I still think even that idea is quite a stretch (though not quite as much as yours). That is, it's pure speculation with little evidence, so all it can do is move him from "probably town" to " " for me at this point.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2007 18:01:11 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2007 18:01:11 GMT -5
Two full days and three hours remain.
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Jul 31, 2007 19:52:18 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Jul 31, 2007 19:52:18 GMT -5
Cowgirl said:
In regards to what? Did you ask me a question that I missed?
As far as DB defending me 3 times before her death goes, well that's exactly why I voted for her. I said that the only way she could know I was town, was if she were scum. Turns out I was right.
Where is Mhaye?
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Jul 31, 2007 20:16:08 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Jul 31, 2007 20:16:08 GMT -5
Is it a common practice for scum to keep Day one momentum on a suspect townie on Day two?
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Jul 31, 2007 22:06:19 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Jul 31, 2007 22:06:19 GMT -5
The more I think about it,the more I am convinced that drain's death was orchestrated by the scum. First,I can't understand the lack of defense from drain and especially lack of a false role-claim on Day1! I understand that drain claimed noob status,but she also admitted to following at least two of the games,maybe more, on SDMB and I got the impression she did so closely. Plus,assuming every single scum in this game is not a noob and assuming she did visit the scumboard during Day1,I gotta believe, had it not been pre-arranged, she would have been asked to false role-claim by one of the more experienced players,even though I feel she knew to do it anyway,unless of course,it was a pre-arranged death I’ve been entertaining much this same theory, but only as one possibility. The fact that she didn’t more actively defend herself does seem strange to me. I would have expected her, even if at the prompting of the other scum, to try to mount a better defense. Her last post was 1.287 where she voted for Malacandra. At that point the votecount looked like: drainbead (4) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine, Blaster Master GreedySmurf (3) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera dnooman (2) - cowgirl, Malacandra Malacandra (1) - hockeymonkey Mhaye (1) – kat The votes were close enough I’m not sure why she didn’t try to push a little for GreedySmurf, or why she didn’t vote for him. Maybe she was hoping one of the other bandwagons would take off (perhaps with a little help by the other scum) and decided her best defense was silence. If that were the case I think we need to look at the vote movement afterwards. Of course, it could have been as simple as real-life issues taking over and she just didn’t have time to mount a defense. I point that out because anything we assume about what the scum were planning and why it played out like it did is highly speculative. Mmmmm. Nope, Mad. Some of this I can get behind, but parts. . . I'm not seeing it. Some Baroque connections there. Deciding why the scum killed someone instead of Story seems even more of a fool's errand than (so I've been told) figuring out why they killed someone is itself. WHY would they draw straws (or whatever) to get one of themselves killed? This is similar here, in that a psycho would have to essentially volunteer to not play and, especially for a first time player, that would just plain suck. Now, if I were to pick up this theory and run with it, I'd say that I don't think the lynch wagon was intentional, because of the nature of the arguments that were raised again drainbead by storyteller. If storyteller is scum as well, then I'd think it more likely that the collaborated that he would pick her as his "pet project" to go after most of the game, hence why he provided a lot of "points" but nothing that couldn't have easily been explained away by noobness (which would also explain why she was picked as his target. Thus, I would say IF storyteller is scum, then it was probably an attempt to get a vote on scum so he could play a similar model to his M2 scum victory, but certainly I dont' think a lynchwagon would be the intention there. These are good points by capybara and Blaster Master. I think we’re all trying to have fun in the game and I don’t see the scum asking anyone, especially someone new, to volunteer to be taken out on Day 1. I also think that if this had been the case drainbead probably would have played it out to the end, if only to get what enjoyment she could out of the game. I don’t think we can completely rule it out as a possibility, though, because we simply don’t know how it played out on the scum board. I do think there was most likely a good amount of direction and coordination to the scum’s actions, and we should be exploring all possibilities. Also Mad The Swine, if drainbead was a sacrificial scum, your vote for her right after storyteller and Roosh casts you in a bit of a negative light as well.
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Jul 31, 2007 22:11:40 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 31, 2007 22:11:40 GMT -5
This is not the reason you gave for posting the FoS. Assuming the above is true, and you were trying to set a trap for scum, can you understand why your FoS - for which your stated reasoning was flimsy - would seem like reaching to me? Yes. I can see where you're coming from. And I don't like it because i know its a vote in the wrong direction (assuming you're town), but i doubt i can really say much to change that for now. But it doesn't mean i have to like the vote on me. And as for JSexton, I still don't like his reasonings for voting Malacandra, i wish he could post something more. And there's a huge difference between saying something looks fishy and going out and VOTING for a person, Story. Well, I agree. In my admittedly minority opinion, voting for a person carries accountability. It says, I suspect this person most of all, enough to place my vote on them. When someone looks at Hal Briston's spreadsheet on Day Eleventeen, my vote for you will be represented there. It's a strong statement. By contrast, the FoS is a much better cover for scum. It's much easier to use an FoS as a way of floating a bit of suspicion and seeing if it sticks. You FoS someone - either officially or unofficially, drainbead style, and then if someone else agrees with you, you push it a little further. For the record, I don't apologize for my vote. I am going to practice what I preach - I'm going to vote for the person I consider to be most likely to be scum. Right now, that's you (although, I freely admit, this is partly because I've had a hectic real life this Day and haven't done anywhere near the amount of careful examination of Day 1 as I'd like). But it's also partly because of things like this: Oh? I keep saying that? I said it once, at the beginning of a post. This was obviously a mistake on my part, which you'll note I corrected twice in the body of that same post. Other than that, I have consistently avoided describing what you did as a vote. I said you voted for Mal once, and you post that I "keep saying it." You're reaching, and distorting the truth in the bargain.
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Jul 31, 2007 22:25:07 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 31, 2007 22:25:07 GMT -5
The more I think about it,the more I am convinced that drain's death was orchestrated by the scum. First,I can't understand the lack of defense from drain and especially lack of a false role-claim on Day1! I actually strongly agree with you that this is very curious. She really basically disappeared once things started to look bleak for her. A positive defense on her part could have swung the vote a different way, and the fact that no such defense appeared makes me think her death was anticipated by the scum in one way or another. Were there a scum power role (akin to the Godfather or Prophet) out there, I'd posit that her lack of a defense was an attempt to fall on a sword and protect a more powerful scum also on the chopping block, but given that this isn't the case, your theory is quite persuasive. I don't know how to respond to this. Apparently agreeing with you is a scum tell. I'm going to respond to what you say, not to what you have said in the past; I thought your perspective on drainbead was pretty sharp, actually. I am paranoid enough to wonder if you are scum, and floated your initial post out there to create separation between you and drainbead, thinking no one would take it seriously because of your past reputation. Your evident surprise that someone did take it seriously makes that seem more possible - why would you have even posted what you posted about drainbead in the first place, if not to get people to think about what you were saying? Or tell us what you think. Challenging others to identify scum tells is a bit of a cop-out, don't you think? I have no idea what this means. I have never seen this logic employed successfully. The "vote for him/her because he/she is still alive" strategy is out-and-out bizarre. Why? Honestly, you can't just say something is scummy and not explain it. Otherwise I could decide that using the word "trout" is a scum tell, and vote for any and all who use the word "trout." What about my early vote seems scummy to you? I explained it. I still don't understand why I shouldn't vote for the person who seems most suspicious to me. Explain it to me.
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Jul 31, 2007 22:26:32 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 31, 2007 22:26:32 GMT -5
Okay, i had to go back and read through your posts to check, You did only say i voted for Malacandra once. My bad, I felt threatened by you and it feels like your posts seem to constantly attack me (Hey, I'm new at this being in the Hotseat business) and so i may have felt that you were constantly attacking me, but you did correct yourself.
I'm not gonna split hairs over something like that, and i might have made a fuss over it because i was still irked at reading the first line and noting it. But really? I'm the most suspicious person? If that's your opinion, fine, but I'll let you know this, you're wasting your time on me, because I'll turn up town.
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Jul 31, 2007 22:30:32 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 31, 2007 22:30:32 GMT -5
Okay, i had to go back and read through your posts to check, You did only say i voted for Malacandra once. My bad, I felt threatened by you and it feels like your posts seem to constantly attack me (Hey, I'm new at this being in the Hotseat business) and so i may have felt that you were constantly attacking me, but you did correct yourself. I'm not gonna split hairs over something like that, and i might have made a fuss over it because i was still irked at reading the first line and noting it. But really? I'm the most suspicious person? If that's your opinion, fine, but I'll let you know this, you're wasting your time on me, because I'll turn up town. [out of game] I apologize if I made you feel like I was attacking you, or if my tone has been more snappish than usual. I'm actually really frustrated that real life is intruding on my ability to participate in more than a reactive way so far toDay, and that is the reason for any shortness. I certainly don't want this to get personal, or stop being fun for anyone. [/out of game]
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Jul 31, 2007 22:34:01 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Jul 31, 2007 22:34:01 GMT -5
Also,rightly or wrongly,(and no offense to the poo flinging hockey) but from what I can tell he is one of the most feared players in the game and, on the surface it appears, he was a big factor in hunting down a scum on the very first night...Why didn't the scum feel he was a danger? He certainly wasn't in danger of being Day killed(so they thought)..why not Night kill him and do away with one of the instrumental players in drains death and a feared player to boot? I have never seen this logic employed successfully. The "vote for him/her because he/she is still alive" strategy is out-and-out bizarre. Of course, if they had followed up on that thought in M2 and lynched you things could have turned out very differently.
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Jul 31, 2007 22:39:08 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 31, 2007 22:39:08 GMT -5
I have never seen this logic employed successfully. The "vote for him/her because he/she is still alive" strategy is out-and-out bizarre. Of course, if they had followed up on that thought in M2 and lynched you things could have turned out very differently. Heh. But the thing is, in M2 that thought was never applied to me - I was a nonentity for the first half of that game. I remember it was applied an awful lot to sturmhauke early in the game, because he had played really well as the Seer in M1. We kept leaving him alive because every time we did, someone (half the time it was our very own FCoD) would start a lynch wagon on him.
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Jul 31, 2007 22:49:38 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 31, 2007 22:49:38 GMT -5
out of game: hey story, thanks for taking the time to say that. I just wanna say I'm actually quite thrilled to be here and playing alongside all these names that i've followed for the last year. And I may have been taking it too personally myself just cuz I haven't been in a game like this before, so I might have gotten to close to the game. But I appreciate you taking the time to say that, and I hope everything gets better for you man. Take Care. /Out of game
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Jul 31, 2007 23:23:30 GMT -5
Post by nesta on Jul 31, 2007 23:23:30 GMT -5
Of course, if they had followed up on that thought in M2 and lynched you things could have turned out very differently. Heh. But the thing is, in M2 that thought was never applied to me - I was a nonentity for the first half of that game. I remember it was applied an awful lot to sturmhauke early in the game, because he had played really well as the Seer in M1. We kept leaving him alive because every time we did, someone (half the time it was our very own FCoD) would start a lynch wagon on him. For your reminiscing pleasure: boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8565958#post8565985. Scroll down for Queuing and Lakai discussing the possibility. I remember being worried they would pursue this.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Aug 1, 2007 2:02:20 GMT -5
A short answer to dnooman. I spent all yesterday with a blazing headache. I simply couldn't face the idea of trying to read posts on this glaring white background until it cleared.
I've managed to catch up reading, so now I'm going to let it stew a while. Hopefully I'll have something of substance tonight, but more likely tomorrow. We'll see how distracted I am by Heroes - that's only 40 minutes though.
Got to leave now.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 1, 2007 3:03:39 GMT -5
A short answer to dnooman. I spent all yesterday with a blazing headache. I simply couldn't face the idea of trying to read posts on this glaring white background until it cleared. I've managed to catch up reading, so now I'm going to let it stew a while. Hopefully I'll have something of substance tonight, but more likely tomorrow. We'll see how distracted I am by Heroes - that's only 40 minutes though. Got to leave now. I'm sorry that you had a headache, but you neglected to posit even the shadiest explanation of your activity. I need to see more in order to take you off my list. The psychos are, by definition, liars. We shall see what happens today.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 1, 2007 9:51:08 GMT -5
Mmmmm. Nope, Mad. Some of this I can get behind, but parts. . . I'm not seeing it. Deciding why the scum killed someone instead of Story seems even more of a fool's errand than (so I've been told) figuring out why they killed someone is itself. WHY would they draw straws (or whatever) to get one of themselves killed? That 'for whatever reason' makes handwaving gestures to dispel consideration of reasoning behind a very strange action-- reasoning that has to be at least vaguely grasped to make sense of it at all. A scum sub would be much better than a death. Why on earth a prearranged death? (I have no idea what you think it might have served-- maybe this is because I'm dense. Are you envisioning the planting of very deep moles?). I see a death as an unforeseen side effect and the best made of a bad turn, but the death as part of the primary plot? I'm used to not quite following your train of thoughts-- I think we have quite different reasoning styles even when we're on the same side, but this is a little moreso than usual, so if you could back up and unpack this. . . kthx. Look, I ain't exactly sold on this plan either, but I enjoy thinking up different ideas . I have in other games, but usually didn't share (most of which were waaaaay wrong).It was something I thought up and wanted to run it up the flag pole. Its fun and I like doing it, so I ain't gonna unpack,unless you ask nicer. They would draw straws to hide themselves. Late in the game, looking back at Day1, trying to find scum,would you suspect story,Roosh or even Myself? I don't think you would.It is a great cover. If I am right ,I would bet that all the scum(except maybe one) voted for drain.I may be wrong about the HOS's,but I believe drain was sacrificed by some of those 8 ? that voted. The lack of a role claim REALLY bothers me.
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