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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 2, 2007 21:15:59 GMT -5
Talk about whatever you want.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 2, 2007 21:16:41 GMT -5
damn. beat my post.
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Post by Mad The Swine on Aug 2, 2007 21:16:52 GMT -5
How bout them cubs?
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Post by nesta on Aug 2, 2007 21:20:34 GMT -5
Damnit. I was so hoping we'd go 2 for 2. Bah.
Sorry cowgirl. BTW, I got a kick out of your lover choices, and Idle's news story about them.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 2, 2007 21:24:49 GMT -5
Well, one of us isn't going to wake up tomorrow. My last guess was clearly wrong, so I doubt that my current suspicions are worth much at this point. At least my error didn't give the scum anything new to work with. Why didn't Cowgirl defend herself in those last ten hours?
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 2, 2007 21:29:39 GMT -5
Damnit. I was so hoping we'd go 2 for 2. Bah. Sorry cowgirl. BTW, I got a kick out of your lover choices, and Idle's news story about them. Sorry about that, cowgirl. I concur about the choice of lovers, though! Now you can go to the forbidden thread and explain to them why you chose them ;D BTW, nesta, I posted my hypothesis about the mysterious %207. Good Night, y'all!
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 2, 2007 21:30:13 GMT -5
A couple of wild guesses...
Out of Game: She wasn't available to post for whatever reason.
In-game reason: (1) She didn't think anybody would believe her roleclaim. (Cupid is kinda unprovable, and as Idle Thoughts clarified, only has a one-shot ability.)
(2) She stopped checking the thread after she tied with Roosh and assumed that he'd be the one to get lynched.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 2, 2007 21:35:30 GMT -5
StoryTellers Questions for me on Day 2:
This is an interesting list, Roosh. For cowgirl, dotchan, and malacandra, you seem to have explicit reasons for thinking them scum. For me, and also JSexton, you seem to... well, not. Would you mind stating for the record your reasons for suspecting the two of us as you have for the other three? As well as your reasons for pairing us together as you did in this post?
Well Story, yeah its a good point. JSexton i have almost no evidence of being scummy other than my vibes from day one. He is the weakest of the links to being scum. One reason why he's was so low on that list. The only thing i didn't like was his random vote early, and then his voting alongside vs. drainbead for Greedy instead. AT THAT TIME i felt that would be a valid scummy tactic (rather than the idea of scum immediately piling on onto Drain and sacraficing him from the start. If i was a scum player i wouldn't risk giving up my buddy like that. I'd prolly try to deflect votes away from them. Which is what i saw that as being on day one.) Since then, he's kinda faded from my eyes (other than his voting of Malacandra on day 2, right after my FoSing of Mal. It was almost as if he wanted to start something there and maybe was hoping i'd jump on that vote and go along with it?
But other than that, no Jsexton isn't very scummy. Hence he's lower on the list. But he was the first person I FoS'ed, and if I FoS someone I'll keep them on the list i have. So i'll still watch thier posts, even if i don't believe they're out and out scum. Because... :shrug: i dunno it just feels like the right thing to do. You shouldn't just call someone out and then bury the hatchet right away. It doesn't seem... logical? :shrug:
And you Storyteller. Well your scumminess is even weaker than that. I too believed in the idea that maybe 1 of the first few votes for Drain might have been scum. But i think it was a scum who was just throwing out a vote and didn't expect anyone else to pile it on so quickly, and so the "townie" thing to do for that scum would be to stick with that vote. I felt that you voted for drain, but then you didn't really try to get anymore votes piled onto him or anything, you just... changed topics and went away from it. I hadn't checked out the other guy who also voted early (#3 -Mad maybe? I think it started w/ an M) could also deserve a checking out. I will prolly end up doing that the next day if i survive. And of course, I know that I'm town. So that's why I think if its an early vote from scum placed onto Drain, it's prolly one of you two.
That and I really didn't like how you called me out for FoSing Mal, but not JSexton for voting for Mal on Day 2. It was something at the time that didn't sit right with me, and i did add you to my Suspicions list at the time for that.
So therefore you're on the list. I will probably keep you and JSexton on the list just as reminders to pay attention to you guys. But I don't really consider it to be as dead outright "Scum", but its something that if i go back on my posts in the endgame, I'd be able to think about what i was feeling of those people on the list at the time.
That's also why i felt you guys were a pair. Just because on day 2 i felt really attacked by you, while i felt you were letting JSexton get a free pass because he posted a reasoning for voting Mal. I felt like you were going after me rather than being fair and going after both, but at the time my emotions were kinda high and i didn't like that. So that's why you guys were paired.
And that post i made was sorta my death post where i just dumped ALL my thoughts onto a page, so if i died, well then at least you guys would have that information to go off on, when you saw my Towniness. If i'm ever on the chopping block, it's prolly what i'll do (THIS game). Just so that I can go out being really helpful as a townie, and so that you guys can at least see ALL the random ideas i had going on in my head. However, I would not use that post for further analysis, because now that i'm alive, i can still develop those ideas further.
I linked you two because of a hunch basically. I am an INFP, and tend to use my hunches/"gut feelings" in my normal life decisions, but in this game i try to use logic and supress my "gut instincts" unless i have reasons to suspect someone. However, if i'm gonna die, you're gonna see my INFP side just info dump all my thoughts: rational and irrational and hunches. Just so if i die, i go out w/ alot of info, as you guys said on day one: Info is GOOD. and if you're townie live as if you're going to die every night. So that woulda been my last will and testament of sorts.
Sorry i couldn't get to your Q's quicker. But if you have anymore, I'll gladly answer them. But i really don't wanna contribute to the night postings any further. So if it could wait till day it'd be nice. Cuz it'd be down right scummy to ask me a bunch of Qs and then i die by dawn and then my suspicions over the night are looked at as reasonings for kills. So if i do die. Just focus on the day 2 dump rather than the night stuff.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 2, 2007 21:39:32 GMT -5
Already got a lot of people PMing and asking about this so in case the role description wasn't clear, yeah, Cupid was a townie.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 2, 2007 21:49:27 GMT -5
Well, gonna wait for my laundry to finish drying, and then it's off to bed IRL.
Nobody kill me while I'm sleeping, or I will be Very Unhappy. ;D
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Post by capybara on Aug 2, 2007 23:07:19 GMT -5
Oh, Hell. Well. . . um. . . THAT"S FOR SETTING UP OUR THERAPIST! TAKE THAT! Lame. Argh. Hmm. I'll tend bar again. What'll you nice folks have? [chugs swig of Hendricks from the bottle]
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Post by dnooman on Aug 2, 2007 23:49:56 GMT -5
Mah kitteh es en mah town
She will bitez teh crazeh peepels.
Until den, I not can has cheezburger.
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Post by dnooman on Aug 2, 2007 23:52:58 GMT -5
Please tell me that at least one person gets that. Otherwise, I look like some sort of lunatard.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 2, 2007 23:58:45 GMT -5
You referring to PsychicCatLady or something like that from previous games?
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Post by Malacandra on Aug 3, 2007 2:47:24 GMT -5
Bah. Shows how much I know. Sorry cowgirl.
And dnooman, I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 3, 2007 7:35:27 GMT -5
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Post by Malacandra on Aug 3, 2007 8:02:47 GMT -5
Ah. (Poor kitty in the post-bath picture!)
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Post by cowgirl on Aug 3, 2007 8:04:21 GMT -5
hey folks, well, nice knowing you. I was ridden with guilt after my choice of lovers. I used random.org, and the last time I used random.org I didn't like its first choice so I chose again and chose very, very poorly. So this time I stuck with my first choice which worked out very badly for the town. I didn't defend myself in the last ten hours for two reasons: 1. I couldn't see the case against me. I defended against any accusations that I saw, but it was pretty thin. 2. I left work at 5 EST, and got home and my home computer had gone kablooie. So I checked again from where I was at about 7 and there wasn't much action so I didn't think there was much I could or should have done. Also a cupid role claim seemed pointless - I couldn't have proven it - ANYONE could make a cupid role claim with just as much credibility. I hope you can learn something from my death. Now, off to join my lovers ... now I bet you all REALLY want to see what's going on in that hidden thread!
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Post by capybara on Aug 3, 2007 9:17:31 GMT -5
i can has bandwagon? do not want! Now, off to join my lovers ... now I bet you all REALLY want to see what's going on in that hidden thread! Ooh, ooh, I think I've seen this! This is the part Guccione inserted afterwards without telling McDowell or Gore Vidal-- the section after Caligula goes back to the baths, and. . .
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Post by Hal Briston on Aug 3, 2007 10:14:22 GMT -5
1. I couldn't see the case against me. I defended against any accusations that I saw, but it was pretty thin. 2. I left work at 5 EST, and got home and my home computer had gone kablooie. So I checked again from where I was at about 7 and there wasn't much action so I didn't think there was much I could or should have done. 3. There's no way any of us would've believed a non-male would have made those two the Lovers.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 3, 2007 10:24:56 GMT -5
Just read the profile on cowgirl and laughed the whole way through.
This almost makes me want to die just so I get a cool biography. ;D
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 3, 2007 12:09:49 GMT -5
Agh, I thought the Day ended today.
I'm really sorry, I've not had much internet time at work the last few days because I'm so far behind, and what precious little time I have had, has been spent moderating MV. I've caught up a lot, but if it looks like this will persist, I may have to ask to be subbed out. Hopefully... I won't have to.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 3, 2007 14:16:31 GMT -5
Okay, now that I'm finally all caught up, I didn't glean a whole lot, except that one person really stuck in my mind as scummy: MadTheSwine. My attention was first drawn to him by his response in post 2.120 . Color me perplexed. This post seems overly snarky with "I can say whatever I way TYVM". storyteller's question was, IMO, a legitimate question, meanwhile, he seems to be dodging giving a straight answer. Is it because he didn't have one? Then, I cam across storyteller's accusations against Mad in post 2.185 and Mad's response in post 2.209 . I think storyteller brings up some valid points regarding Mad's play that I felt Mad did not address sufficiently. 1. He seems to be gunning for a self-admitted "wild conspiracy theory". Maybe we'll have more convoluted scum strategy from the Daytime collaboration aspect, but what he's suggesting is the scum might be doing is not only highly risky, highly improbably to succeed, and minimal return for them. This seems to be decidedly against the towns favor. 2. He doesn't like to ellaborate on his points. Like the post I pointed out above, in his defense where he's explaining what "several tells" he had been refering to, it ends up being a vague explanation that elludes to "a gut feeling". 3. He follows up his defense against storyteller, with an unvote and a vote for Roosh with almost zero reasoning? Mad, you really need to be more explicit with your reasoning, because this is just OOZING with scuminess. My take is, you're playing on your established pattern of erratic bahavior, but you're taking it a step too far. Your name will appear in blue font in my first post after dawn.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 3, 2007 14:25:17 GMT -5
And storyteller, FTR, I don't lurk, you can safely surmise that if I'm not posting, I'm likely preoccupied with other matters. IMO, lurking is poor form. Also, strangely, you start to wonder why I had you in "probably town" in my list. You should know as well as I do, that there are certain behaviors that scum are less likely to do, and yes, one of them was the vote for drainbead in your favor. Similarly, you should know that "probably town" doesn't mean I'm not going to be evaluating your posts with the possibility that you are a lying, conniving psycho, what it means is, at this point, I find that less likely a possibility for you than an average player. Are you REALLY suggesting that we don't have some form of classification? It seems fruitless to always be equally suspicious of everyone. I need to prioritize based on my suspicion because we can only vote for one target at a time and, for now, you're lower on that list. But if you really want to be higher, you can keep asking strange questions like this.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 3, 2007 14:42:34 GMT -5
BM -I'm going to respond, but only sort of briefly, because I really don't know whether substantive discussion during the night is wise. And storyteller, FTR, I don't lurk, you can safely surmise that if I'm not posting, I'm likely preoccupied with other matters. IMO, lurking is poor form. Fair enough. Question asked and answered. My question was not strange at all. I have consistently said that I find it odd and mildly when players, largely unprompted, refer to other players as "probably town" or some variation on that theme. My reasons for finding this worthy of note have been well-documented, but I can run through them again if its needed. Having been involved in other games with me, I'm sure you yourself have heard them before. When I see it, I'm going to comment on it. It very well may mean nothing, but there's nothing to be lost by pointing it out. Why would you characterize this as "strange?" To me, this reads like, " don't question me, or I'll question you back." - just a tiny bit of a threat. I can only make the observations and ask the questions that occur to me; if they cause me to be suspected and/or eventually lynched, hopefully they will have value to the cause to counterbalance that.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 3, 2007 15:03:26 GMT -5
My question was not strange at all. I have consistently said that I find it odd and mildly when players, largely unprompted, refer to other players as "probably town" or some variation on that theme. My reasons for finding this worthy of note have been well-documented, but I can run through them again if its needed. Having been involved in other games with me, I'm sure you yourself have heard them before. When I see it, I'm going to comment on it. It very well may mean nothing, but there's nothing to be lost by pointing it out. Why would you characterize this as "strange?" I understand your point regarding unprompted support of other players. However, I'm not sure that applies in this case. First of all, I think it can be safely determined that, on average, your trust level his above average. That is, you have a lower level of suspicion that many other players. Further, based on my logic, if you were scum and doing as Mad theorizes you were, it didn't seem to be in the best interest of the scum. Now, obviously, from those posts, one could fairly easily determine what my read on you was at the time. Thus, stating it directly is simply a matter of fact. That is, I play under the assumption that everyone else is at least a smart as I am and can figure it out, especially the scum, and in this case the geniuses, because they can collaborate (two heads are better than one and all that jazz). Further, my read on you was a natural part of that conversation and, knowing how candid I am, I wouldn't be surprised if I'd drawn suspicion for not being forthcoming. Actually, it's just a simple statement of what I find suspicious. I suppose if you find my eventual suspicion threatening... maybe I should be flattered?
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Post by capybara on Aug 3, 2007 15:37:00 GMT -5
I can see how a player would be a little disconcerted to be referred to too explicitly by too many people as 'probably town'-- seems like a good way to get night killed, no? Several people in M4 kept referring to how very very townie I was. My biggest defenders, in the end, were scum, and the others who stated I seemed town caused the scum to consider snuffing me (as I looked at the pirate boards after the game) as I was getting on "too many town lists."
And by referring to your imminent vote-at-dawn for Mad, Blam, if you REALLY DO think he's scum you're either looking to get shivved in the night or trying to certify that you don't by calling attention to this right now. Or you have no reason to fear night-shivving at all and this didn't occur to you, for, ahem, whatever reason.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 3, 2007 16:08:28 GMT -5
Yeah, the dillemma of being town - act vanilla as possible and risk getting nightkilled, or play a little scummy and risk getting lynched? And why not post my own analysis? Beats waiting for two hours if the scum wait at the last moment again. 1. Blaster Master - If nothing else, he's helped me make sense of the madness a lot more. But Night Two actions with Storyteller are...I dunno. 2. Hal Briston - His vote tied cowgirl with Roosh. 3. Storyteller0910 - Hm...no real change in opinion either way. 4. Malacandra - My vote on him was rather wibbly in the first place and he's gotten less suspicious in my eyes, so I probably won't vote him again Day Three. Though, that vote for cowgirl...(BTW, thanks for the unvote. ;D) 6. MadtheSwine - Curiouser and Curiouser...granted, he may be playing this way to get people talking, but his lack of clarity is getting more suspicious. 7. Capybara - The more I read her, the more I see that she and I have similar playstyles, which makes me more forgiving of her (did she read my mind while composing the reply #10 of Night Two? ;D) 9. DiggitCamera - Seemed rather eager to paint both myself and cowgirl as scum. Suspicion meter +1. 12. GreedySmurf - Her "gut feeling" that I am town, as grateful as I may be for it...and her semi-OMGUS vote for diggitcamera...a little bit more suspicious. 13. Roosh - other than his mass-overanalysis of my post (which could be overeager townie, I suppose), what pings my suspicion radar harder are these two posts here and here (smacks a bit of trying to hard). I'll have to re-read him again to see if I'm going to repeat my vote, though. 14. dnooman - What does this post mean? Would anybody have believed a Cupid roleclaim? And, of course, he started the whole cowgirl bandwagon. Will also reread his posts. 16. nesta - Right now I'm analyzing his last minute vote for cowgirl...unfortunately with so few posts, I can't get a good read on him. (And darn it, I can no longer base my FOSes on people who post their own postcounts, because we can't have THAT many scum left, right?) 17. Pygmy Rugger - Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt! Buuuut, you voted cowgirl. Have a hairy eyeball! (Also, he voted Roosh for overanalyzing me, but didn't even mention JSexton's detailed breakdown of drain bead.) 18. JSexton - His case against Malacandra felt quite convincing, but my opinion of him hasn't changed much. 19. Mhaye - Hrm...I think my suspicion level has gone down a bit. Okay, if I don't go out and get some work done I'll have wasted another day. So see you guys morningside...if I make it.... *eeek*
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 3, 2007 16:37:17 GMT -5
I can see how a player would be a little disconcerted to be referred to too explicitly by too many people as 'probably town'-- seems like a good way to get night killed, no? Several people in M4 kept referring to how very very townie I was. My biggest defenders, in the end, were scum, and the others who stated I seemed town caused the scum to consider snuffing me (as I looked at the pirate boards after the game) as I was getting on "too many town lists." And by referring to your imminent vote-at-dawn for Mad, Blam, if you REALLY DO think he's scum you're either looking to get shivved in the night or trying to certify that you don't by calling attention to this right now. Or you have no reason to fear night-shivving at all and this didn't occur to you, for, ahem, whatever reason. I'm afraid I don't follow your logic at all. This whole argument stinks of WIFOM. Let's assume for a moment that he is scum, then killing me would lend credibility to my impending vote. Similarly, knowing that, they could kill me thinking the town would think it's too obvious... yadda yadda ad naseaum. You'll see there's similar logic if he's not scum too. The bottom line is, we need to begin discussing things at Night because the Days are shortened precisely because we're allowed to discuss at Night. The only real difference is that the scum get a chance to kill before we get a chance to vote. However, as I've already warned, and so have others, looking at why they killed one person or didn't kill someone else is a dangerous game. Regardless, my guess is that the psychos will be targetting who they think are likely to be power roles, not simply going "hey look, he pointed at one of us, let's kill him."
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 3, 2007 18:54:24 GMT -5
Argh, I need a "smacks self in face" smiley. I already thought today was Saturday.
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