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Post by capybara on Aug 21, 2007 13:10:51 GMT -5
Blaster, But do you think your pseudo-random hypothesis works in cases where is there an artificial external pressure affecting the system? i.e. what if there's scum on the chopping block? Won't that skew the results?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 21, 2007 13:19:54 GMT -5
Blaster, But do you think your pseudo-random hypothesis works in cases where is there an artificial external pressure affecting the system? [fluff post] capy, I think this is the greatest sentence in the history of Mafia. It sounds like the opening to the third paragraph of a doctoral thesis. [/fluff post]
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 13:23:29 GMT -5
So here's who I have left to look at:
1. Blaster Master 3. Storyteller0910 6. MadtheSwine 13. Roosh
Since I know I'm not a psycho, I'm only going to bother looking at the other three. Up until yesterday, I was very suspicious of MadTheSwine, and I still am, however, I felt like his catch on Dotchan is not something he would say of his fellow psycho, thus, since I'm now quite suspicious of Dotchan, I'm much less suspicious of MadTheSwine.
Roosh's play, to me, seems very reminiscient of how Queuing played in M2, that is very vocal and open, though not nearly as polarizing. Now, I think this is a very difficult role for scum to play, because it requires throwing SO much out there that there's bound to be a few slips, and it wouldn't be easy for a new player, even with guidance, to pull that off. It seems genuine and, if he is scum, he's got me fooled.
Storyteller is a different... well, story. I find he's increasingly more difficult for me to get a read on, for good or bad. So far, he's played scum, vanilla townie, and a power role in the three other games I've seen him in, and I get, more or less, the same read off of him each time. That said, he has been more hands on here (like he was as a Monk in MV) than he was as scum, but even that can be manipulated, so I'm hesitant to use any of his past games as reason to trust or distrust him. Even where he and I have disagreed have been on points that I can easily see a townie having that perspective.
Either way, while MadTheSwine was the frontrunner of this group by a mile, I'm not convinced enough anymore to think he's worth lynching over Dotchan. But for now, I'd put him slightly ahead of Storyteller, but still behind the whole mess in the Non-Drainbead voter group.
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 21, 2007 13:24:33 GMT -5
Blaster, But do you think your pseudo-random hypothesis works in cases where is there an artificial external pressure affecting the system? i.e. what if there's scum on the chopping block? Won't that skew the results? I know this question wasn't addressed to me, but since BlaM's pseudo-random hypothesis is similar to one I espoused yesterDay while indicting dotchan, I think I can add something to the mix. In this case there wasn't only the need to "distribute" their votes but the actual thought to "keep a vote in reserve" (which, if I remember it correctly, roosh applied to pygmy's vote for Hal on Day 1). In my theory, dotchan's non-vote on Day 1 was caused by the small chance that on that Day the scum whose heads were on the chopping block would save themselves, by a last minute vote-swing against Greedy Smurf. In this scenario dotchan was left hanging with her vote because the vote-swing went from psychopath to psychopath ( Mal to drainbead). So, the attempt to not cluster was diverted by the real-time pressures of two scums' heads on the lynching block.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 13:31:46 GMT -5
Blaster, But do you think your pseudo-random hypothesis works in cases where is there an artificial external pressure affecting the system? i.e. what if there's scum on the chopping block? Won't that skew the results? It can, but I don't think it does on the first day, at least not in this case. For instance, we know that Drainbead is scum, and we also know that, if scum is on that wagon, they had to have gotten on early, probably with the intention of spreading their votes out, and then was unable to extricate himself without looking really bad. Now, if you're implying how, perhaps, Diggit could be on the GreedySmurf wagon with Mal... well, good point. Perhaps, he got on there early, and then Mal jumped on as an effort to keep him even with Drainbead. So, this makese things look a little worse for Diggit. OTOH, he also makes things look bad for Dotchan. Perhaps she was planning to vote for him too, hoping someone else would jump in after Mal's vote, but, when no one did, she had nowhere to vote. If she had jumped on after MHaye, whom she would've known to be a townie, she would have drawn the heat instead of him. If she jumped on Mal, when Drainbead came up scum, she would have looked bad for trying to save her.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 13:33:35 GMT -5
NETA: I should have previewed, because I think the last point is much better said by Diggit.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 13:34:45 GMT -5
Blaster, But do you think your pseudo-random hypothesis works in cases where is there an artificial external pressure affecting the system? [fluff post] capy, I think this is the greatest sentence in the history of Mafia. It sounds like the opening to the third paragraph of a doctoral thesis. [/fluff post] Hmm... maybe Capy will let me borrow it for my thesis?
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 21, 2007 13:38:53 GMT -5
Day Two
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 21, 2007 13:45:10 GMT -5
Since BlaM asked why I voted Hal on Day One toDay, here it is: <snip> Greedy, my truly hope is that you're town, and that you don't get lynched today...no fun to have your first game experience be one of dying on Day One. However, what I hope for and what I believe are two different things. Vote Greedy Smurf. Why, Hal, would you vote for somebody who you thought was town? This is exacty the way I voted for people who I knew were town in M2, when I knew they were town, because I was scum. It is a way of putting in a vote for somebody when the votes start piling on, to slip in as part of the bandwagon, while still leaving yourself an out when they die and are revealed as citizens. Call it meta-gaming if you will, but that's how I played it, and at that time, in my mind, it was perfectly innocuous. I'd be dollars to donuts you thought the same thing when you made that post. Vote Hal Briston The day is very close to ending, but I feel strongly enough about this that I will try to develop my case on the subject toMorrow. Color removed. Vote for who you think is most scummy, right? Well, I thought it was him, and I explained why.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 21, 2007 13:50:14 GMT -5
Roosh-- who did you vote for yesterday? Why? What/who reinforced your feelings? What/who convinced you that you were right all along? I think someone's indeed playing Jedi mind tricks on you but it ain't Storyteller. -first a point on the Non-Votes ( i did ask Diggit about this, and he did post that he had an explanation. That he was simply unable to get back to the computer. So cross that one thing off, though for the record, I still don't like dotchan's excuse on day 1) Now to your Qs. I voted for Dotchan. And I see what you're implying. The 2nd "possible" manipulator on my list, I thought about that, my only hesitation though is that they did vote for Drainbead on day 1. In fact, the 3rd vote for him, right after my own vote for Drainy. It was a day where there were alot of 1 person votes, and it was early in the game, but my voting for Drainbead, finally put someone out into the lead, and the his vote for her also just pushed Drainbead to the forefront. (though his reasoning was simply agreeing w/ Storyteller's logic). In my mind, that just seems like a risky scum plot, to stick the scum out in front w/ 3 votes vs. all others, unless its someone was going to make it closer. The next closest vote tally comes with GreedySmurf getting 3 votes while Drain had 3. The 3rd voter in that case? DiggitCamera. But then Dnooman comes up to a tie as well soon after, the 3rd voter that time? Malacandra.When I see that, I tend to think, well if scum wants to TIE up votes to save their scum. Dnooman and Greedy now made perfect targets. That's why I'm suspicious of those tieing voters. That's why I'm a little bit less suspicious of the Swine. But I can see the reasoning. Esp. since he did point out the "Ooh SHINY!" And for me, It was a lynching i could get behind, since right now, I know I'm biased against Dotchan. Having made that large post against her in Day 2. I tried to offer more reasons though, when I came out w/ my OWN indictment against her again on day 4 though, and I tried to not mention the "ooh shiny" portion at all, but I will admit, it is the reason i did take another look at dotchan. And I still believe She's Very Inconsistent, and I personally find her actions to be kinda anti-town. But yeah, I could have been suckered. =( But I still believe she's kinda guilty! (>_<) Even when BM just now pulled a vote for her. I'm actually restraining myself from wanting to vote for her, just so i can finally know. For 2 days Now i've targetted her. And I do feel she's been unhelpful in the past.... But i'm not gonna jump the gun this time. But dang, BM. Most uncool.... One Tangential thing. A Hypothetical Q if you will. There's 9 of us right? 2 of us are Geniuses. At this point, if the Doctor came forth, there'd be 3 Pro-Town people. That'd narrow down the suspects to 6. Then, those of us who are Townies would have the added advantage of knowing at least 4 people who are town, and 5 who aren't. So would we want to consider this option? I'm only throwing this option out there, because Greedy was one of 3 people I had pegged as this town's Doctor. And that's what i fear his death maybe indicating tonight- that they're just gonna try to hit the doctor. Cuz I'm sure if I'VE been keeping list and a pretty simple but useful one so far, I'm afraid that the SCUM will most def. have such a list. I know in the past its always been an unfavorable idea. But I'm just saying, it's something to consider. Any thoughts?
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Post by capybara on Aug 21, 2007 13:56:55 GMT -5
An interesting question about the doc, Roosh. At what point does it become more useful to have the doc out of the closet and protecting him/herself every night and confirmed town/not a suspect?
Of course it would be impossible to verify, unfortunately.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 21, 2007 14:00:13 GMT -5
One Tangential thing. A Hypothetical Q if you will. There's 9 of us right? 2 of us are Geniuses. At this point, if the Doctor came forth, there'd be 3 Pro-Town people. That'd narrow down the suspects to 6. Then, those of us who are Townies would have the added advantage of knowing at least 4 people who are town, and 5 who aren't. So would we want to consider this option? I'm only throwing this option out there, because Greedy was one of 3 people I had pegged as this town's Doctor. And that's what i fear his death maybe indicating tonight- that they're just gonna try to hit the doctor. Cuz I'm sure if I'VE been keeping list and a pretty simple but useful one so far, I'm afraid that the SCUM will most def. have such a list. I know in the past its always been an unfavorable idea. But I'm just saying, it's something to consider. Any thoughts? <heavy sigh> Roosh, I think you're going to take some abuse over this point, but we have reached a stage of the game where I think it's useful to consider. On balance, though, I think the Doctor is better off hidden at the moment, unless pressed by votes into a role claim. I have reasons, but I think it would be wisest to keep them to myself because it involves pesky speculation about scum Night-time goals and strategies.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 21, 2007 14:08:55 GMT -5
I agree with storyteller. The only other scenarios where the Doctor should claim are:
1) A No-Kill on the Day after he self-protected or 2) Someone fake-claims Doctor on after a No Kill Night. (Because the scum could very well have gambited, knowing Scenario 1.)
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 14:10:43 GMT -5
One Tangential thing. A Hypothetical Q if you will. There's 9 of us right? 2 of us are Geniuses. At this point, if the Doctor came forth, there'd be 3 Pro-Town people. That'd narrow down the suspects to 6. Then, those of us who are Townies would have the added advantage of knowing at least 4 people who are town, and 5 who aren't. So would we want to consider this option? I'm only throwing this option out there, because Greedy was one of 3 people I had pegged as this town's Doctor. And that's what i fear his death maybe indicating tonight- that they're just gonna try to hit the doctor. Cuz I'm sure if I'VE been keeping list and a pretty simple but useful one so far, I'm afraid that the SCUM will most def. have such a list. I know in the past its always been an unfavorable idea. But I'm just saying, it's something to consider. Any thoughts? Well, I'll start by saying, I dont' think he should. If the psychos targetted him because they thought he might be the doctor, once he came forther, they'll definitively know everything, and have a 1/3 chance of knocking off a confirmed townie (because the doctor will be split among the three of them). Right now, I don't think they can risk another shot into the pool of unknowns without doing a lot of damage to where they can hide. I think they pretty much have to take a shot at the geniuses tonight and, with the doctor still hidden, that means their chances are only 50% versus 67%. OTOH, if the doctor feels like the scum may have a bead on him, it may be worth coming forth and having a 1/3 chance of protecting any of them. Either way, I think this is a decision best left up to him, because only he knows his identity.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 21, 2007 14:15:03 GMT -5
OTOH, if the doctor feels like the scum may have a bead on him, it may be worth coming forth and having a 1/3 chance of protecting any of them. Agreed, up until this sentence. Even if the Doctor thinks the scum have him dead to rights, there is no advantage to coming forward. (S)he can still protect anyone (s)he wants at Night.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 21, 2007 14:23:29 GMT -5
Day Three
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 14:53:01 GMT -5
OTOH, if the doctor feels like the scum may have a bead on him, it may be worth coming forth and having a 1/3 chance of protecting any of them. Agreed, up until this sentence. Even if the Doctor thinks the scum have him dead to rights, there is no advantage to coming forward. (S)he can still protect anyone (s)he wants at Night. Well, I probably should have completed the thought, because I realize in retrospect I worded it very poorly. If he thinks he's pegged, and he's going to be playing complicated version of a 3-way game of chicken, then the advantage of him remaining hidden is gone, at which point I think the advantage of reducing the pool of unknowns outweighs it. As I said above, I don't think they'll take another stab into the unknowns tonight, so I don't think it's worthwhile but, then again, I only have my guesses.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 21, 2007 14:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 21, 2007 15:09:46 GMT -5
Man... I can't wait for your analysis of all these posts Dotchan.... It's gonna be a doozy for you.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 21, 2007 15:33:57 GMT -5
And I lose another long winded post! GAH! Freaking "log me on for 30 mins only" and then typing forever.... =(
Basically my point was I was going to point out that one reason i suspected MtS less, and gave him townie cred was that he was the ONLY really big staunch support of Mhaye, and the idea of killing BM to bring back our doctor.
However, in the span of writing the long post, i came to the realization that if he was SCUM. He'd know what roles Mhaye (obv. not scum) and BM had. And he'd know that Jsexton WAS previously looking at Malacandra to kill off.
So it just hit me: obv. Scum do NOT want a CrazieTownieDrive-By on Malacandra, so they've got 2 choices: If they BELIEVE Mhaye- they should disbelieve him, and try to discredit him. (which is what everyone almost does. Only 2 people do not express disbelief against Mhaye). -One of those simply has Apathy and self-preservation in mind: Dotchan. Okay, i'm being harsh there, but still. It's sorta true. It seemed kinda fluffy to me. -The other person was VERY Pro-BM dying, and Believed Mhaye. That was our MtS.
If the scum DO NOT believe Mhaye: Then they should just push for the BM kill if he's not scum. If he's scum, then they wanna again focus rather on Mhaye's doubts.
So my original point came before that last realization, it just hit me that if BM wasn't scum, then MtS's actions could have not been townie fueled, but actually just a way to get rid of 2 birds with the same stone.
Now when I realized that, i withdrew my Pro-MtS comments, and pointed out that Is quite fishy. As he seemed to really be the only true Mhaye supporter. Though if BM is Scum, then MtS seems to be quite the townie there. So it's kinda a pair of opposites (as much as Story hates that).
And so i then withdrew my initial comments, and made a pithy comment about how no-one's really jumped on me for my DocOuting comments, only a Story remark that I'll get some abuse. I was expecting to be jumped on as well, but it caught me off guard the politeness of the next 4 posters. Then again, that could be what scum WOULD DO, no? More puzzles. But yeah. It was wittier than that. Stupid Timing out. I should just log onto this site for like 12 hours or something at a time.... Anyways. Carry on my wayward ,sons (and daughters).
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 21, 2007 15:45:43 GMT -5
And I lose another long winded post! GAH! Freaking "log me on for 30 mins only" and then typing forever.... =( Basically my point was I was going to point out that one reason i suspected MtS less, and gave him townie cred was that he was the ONLY really big staunch support of Mhaye, and the idea of killing BM to bring back our doctor. However, in the span of writing the long post, i came to the realization that if he was SCUM. He'd know what roles Mhaye (obv. not scum) and BM had. And he'd know that Jsexton WAS previously looking at Malacandra to kill off. So it just hit me: obv. Scum do NOT want a CrazieTownieDrive-By on Malacandra, so they've got 2 choices: If they BELIEVE Mhaye- they should disbelieve him, and try to discredit him. (which is what everyone almost does. Only 2 people do not express disbelief against Mhaye). -One of those simply has Apathy and self-preservation in mind: Dotchan. Okay, i'm being harsh there, but still. It's sorta true. It seemed kinda fluffy to me. -The other person was VERY Pro-BM dying, and Believed Mhaye. That was our MtS. If the scum DO NOT believe Mhaye: Then they should just push for the BM kill if he's not scum. If he's scum, then they wanna again focus rather on Mhaye's doubts. So my original point came before that last realization, it just hit me that if BM wasn't scum, then MtS's actions could have not been townie fueled, but actually just a way to get rid of 2 birds with the same stone. Now when I realized that, i withdrew my Pro-MtS comments, and pointed out that Is quite fishy. As he seemed to really be the only true Mhaye supporter. Though if BM is Scum, then MtS seems to be quite the townie there. So it's kinda a pair of opposites (as much as Story hates that). And so i then withdrew my initial comments, and made a pithy comment about how no-one's really jumped on me for my DocOuting comments, only a Story remark that I'll get some abuse. I was expecting to be jumped on as well, but it caught me off guard the politeness of the next 4 posters. Then again, that could be what scum WOULD DO, no? More puzzles. But yeah. It was wittier than that. Stupid Timing out. I should just log onto this site for like 12 hours or something at a time.... Anyways. Carry on my wayward ,sons (and daughters). Two things, one related, one un- 1. Anytime I'm writing a very long post, I do it in MS Word, then copy and paste it into the post box and add formatting at the end. It's tedious, but it prevents me from ever losing a post - if the board times out or something else wonky happens, I have my word file. 2. I don't understand your point regarding mhaye and MadtheSwine. The whole point of that donnybrook in my head is that for the scum, the possibility of the Therapist returning would have very nearly ended their game at that point. In that context, it didn't matter what JSexton did, as long as he didn't kill Blaster. Accordingly, Mad's vehement support for going with mhaye's plan - and the reasonable way he presented it, which indicated to me that he actually wanted to be taken seriously - seems on balance pro-town. In this context, I do not understand the connection you've drawn between Blaster and The Kooky Piggie. Could you elaborate? P.S. - I know I've been sort of reactive and drive-by today. I'm pretty busy at work lately; I have time to follow along and make quickie posts, but not to do any research. I have a major research and analysis project in mind for later tonight, though, so expect a long-ish post out of me sometime in the next twelve hours or so.
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Post by capybara on Aug 21, 2007 15:47:57 GMT -5
And so i then withdrew my initial comments, and made a pithy comment about how no-one's really jumped on me for my DocOuting comments, only a Story remark that I'll get some abuse. I was expecting to be jumped on as well, but it caught me off guard the politeness of the next 4 posters. Then again, that could be what scum WOULD DO, no? More puzzles. But yeah. It was wittier than that. Stupid Timing out. I should just log onto this site for like 12 hours or something at a time.... A) Well, I think at this point in the Days the idea of claiming becomes a more nuanced and valid consideration. On Day 1 I think someone would have gone for your throat but it's a bit more complicated day 5. B) I always control-c a copy of a long post before I attempt to post it. No faith.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 21, 2007 15:51:16 GMT -5
Roosh: Yeah, I've lost a couple of long posts that way. I've since taken to composing in Notepad so I don't accidentally drop anything if the login window times out.
But anyway, my first set of observations from analyzing everything.
*MadtheSwine posited that the scum may have decided to sacrifice drain bead on Day One - when did this happen? Mad was the one who called her out at first for her posting behavior, then storyteller votes her. In fact, drain bead was the vote leader until dnooman and Greedy Smurf pops up as possible vote candidates, then Malacandra creates the 3-way-tie and draws attention to himself in the process. After that, the only voters for drain bead are confirmed town.
*Day Two, Roosh and myself were the early vote getters, until cowgirl's defense of me presents her as a viable lynching target; then it becomes Roosh and cowgirl, with MadtheSwine casting the tying vote and nesta tipping the balance (and hence why I was suspicious of nesta for so long, but at that point Mad hadn't posted enough for me to think anything other than, "oh, maybe that's just how he plays")
*Day Three, MadtheSwine got two votes before the attention switched to the JSexton/Mal-later-NAF action
*Day Four, MadtheSwine spearheads the anti-nesta effort, leading to nesta claiming; then, when I make the Shiney Magpie (tm) post, he's the first to jump on it
Like other players have pointed out, MadtheSwine is banking on his reputation and playing very oddly, almost as a "so scummy he must be town" kind of thing. If my play is, according to BlasterMaster, a gutsy gambit by the scum, then what does one make of MadtheSwine's play?
Also, I get the hairy eyeball for vote hopping and being FoS happy when several other players (of either alignment) have done the same thing. So that I'm not accused of "smudging" anyone, I put together this list so that you can see for youself that my so-called "inconsistencies" aren't necessarily a scumtell.
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Post by capybara on Aug 21, 2007 16:08:42 GMT -5
But anyway, my first set of observations from analyzing everything. snip Too busy right now to comment much but interesting post. And to clarify a trademark, it's not 'shiny magpie' but "Magpie: ooh, shiny!" (TM). You're not the magpie-- you're the shiny thing and we're magpies. Just to beat that metaphor into the ground.
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 16:21:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure you're helping your case here... Roosh: Yeah, I've lost a couple of long posts that way. I've since taken to composing in Notepad so I don't accidentally drop anything if the login window times out. But anyway, my first set of observations from analyzing everything. *MadtheSwine posited that the scum may have decided to sacrifice drain bead on Day One - when did this happen? Mad was the one who called her out at first for her posting behavior, then storyteller votes her. In fact, drain bead was the vote leader until dnooman and Greedy Smurf pops up as possible vote candidates, then Malacandra creates the 3-way-tie and draws attention to himself in the process. After that, the only voters for drain bead are confirmed town. Are you really saying that you don't think there's any scum on the Drainbead wagon? If so, that means that the two or three remaining scum are among you, Diggit, and Pygmy, which means the probability of you being scum is 66-100%. I'm not getting this part either. Are you positing that Mad is scum, and redirected the votes toward JSexton and a fellow scum of his? If you think other scum helped relieve the suspicion on him, who? Again, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. You claim to have been suspicious of nesta too, yet you're blaming him for spearheading the effort to lynch him? And then you think it's strange that he calls you on what looks like a fairly obvious scum slip, not unlike nesta in M2, or Lemur in M3, or Drainbead in this game? I think his play is erratic, but he's played the way on both sides of the ball. However, at times it has seemed contrived (like his conspiracy theory earlier), which is why he remains the person of whom I'm most suspicious on the Drainbead wagon. This whole post looks to me like you're trying to deflect suspicion onto MadTheSwine rather than address the evidence that has been presented against you
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Aug 21, 2007 16:27:07 GMT -5
diggitcamera (1) - Roosh. dotchan (1) - Blaster Master
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Post by diggitcamara on Aug 21, 2007 16:29:58 GMT -5
Even worse than what BlaM has to say, dotchan's efforts toDay, though they undoubtedly represent a lot of work, seem what has been called "muddying the waters"...
In other words, infodumping that in reality serves as white noise.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 21, 2007 17:15:58 GMT -5
Even worse than what BlaM has to say, dotchan's efforts toDay, though they undoubtedly represent a lot of work, seem what has been called "muddying the waters"... In other words, infodumping that in reality serves as white noise. Seriously. I read and followed the day as it happened. If I wanted a refresher, I'd go read it myself. Maybe it muddies the water, maybe it doesn't. But I don't even bother to read them, because it's too easy for scum to subtly (or even a well intentioned townie to inadvertently) skew the summary with their perspective. It is next to impossible to have a completely objective review.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 21, 2007 17:33:56 GMT -5
*shrugs* You don't have to give my summary any weight if you don't want to. It's as much for myself, because I tend to get caught up in details and miss the big picture.
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Blaster Master
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Post by Blaster Master on Aug 21, 2007 17:49:33 GMT -5
Since BlaM asked why I voted Hal on Day One toDay, here it is: Why, Hal, would you vote for somebody who you thought was town? This is exacty the way I voted for people who I knew were town in M2, when I knew they were town, because I was scum. It is a way of putting in a vote for somebody when the votes start piling on, to slip in as part of the bandwagon, while still leaving yourself an out when they die and are revealed as citizens. Call it meta-gaming if you will, but that's how I played it, and at that time, in my mind, it was perfectly innocuous. I'd be dollars to donuts you thought the same thing when you made that post. Vote Hal Briston The day is very close to ending, but I feel strongly enough about this that I will try to develop my case on the subject toMorrow. Color removed. Vote for who you think is most scummy, right? Well, I thought it was him, and I explained why. I just realized I failed to respond to this... Now I remember your vote reasoning. At least you had a reason, even if it wasn't very strong. I'll have to look more into this tomorrow if Dotchan shows up town.
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