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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 8:12:32 GMT -5
Although it's risky to try to extrapolate why someone hasn't been killed by the scum due to WIFOM, it's been bothering me that neither storyteller or Blaster has been killed. They are both very strong players who haven't been very suspected by the town. They also both have a lot of townie cred for their placement on the drainbead wagon on Day 1. It would seem to me that the scum must want them dead if they are town. So why are they still alive? Well, as you say, trying to figure out why Blaster and I haven't been night killed is something of a wild goose chase. One possibility, of course, is that either one of us (or both) could be scum. One possibility is that either one of us (or both) seem to the scum to be on the wrong track, and the scum want us to stay alive and keep unwittingly moving down stupid trails. Or one of us (or both) could be on the right track, and the scum don't want to kill that person and and get the town looking too closely at our previous postings. Or the scum have been principally concerned with finding the Doctor in the last few Nights, and have decided for whatever reason that neither I nor Blaster are likely candidates. Who knows? Regrettably, this is possible from your perspective. If I were scum, and Blaster was, too, I think one of us would definitely be throwing the other under the bus for help in the end game. Even if I'm right, we lynch Blaster and he's scum, I could still be scum from a town perspective. But I'm not. Um... yay? Aw, hell, I don't know. My preference right now is to lynch Blaster. Of the remaining candidates, one is leaning town in my head, but I'd prefer not to say which so as to keep the scum guessing a bit. The rest seem like an undifferentiated mass to me. If, by early tomorrow (Thursday, not Day Six), there seems to be no traction in the case against Blaster, I will certainly move my vote. This is way too late in the game to be a third party candidate, as it were.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 23, 2007 9:02:51 GMT -5
(Keanu Reeves) Woah...deja vu. (/Keanu Reeves) nesta, I find your theories fascinating and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Just one thing, though - pygmyrugger's gender icon identifies him as male. Adding onto your analysis... Day Four, after the Shiney Post Kerfluffle has exploded, this is pygmyrugger's first post: Sorry I haven't posted much toDay, I've had a busy weekend. Quick thought? I think when DOTCHAN said "the other two scum", she was refering to part of a theory she was talking about before. YMMV. And then, pygmyrugger votes: I haven't had time to do a thorough analysis today, but I'm more than happy to kill NAF however we're killing people this game, if nothing else than for Mal not dying when JSexton said he was going to kill him. Sorry, if I'm alive toMorrow I'll post more substantially. (voting color removed) And then, during the runoff betwen me and NAF, we discussed the possibility of a second tie, and I did a thinking-out-loud post floating a possible tiebreaker idea. Seriously. That sounds like it's a setup for a scum controlled vote at the end of the day, using the Geniuses as their pawns. I remember thinking, "...buh? Why'd he come away with the worst possible explanation for my post?" Then, Today, after I post my massive datadump and ensuing analysis, diggitcamara questions the usefulness of the data and pygmyrugger responds with... Seriously. I read and followed the day as it happened. If I wanted a refresher, I'd go read it myself. Maybe it muddies the water, maybe it doesn't. But I don't even bother to read them, because it's too easy for scum to subtly (or even a well intentioned townie to inadvertently) skew the summary with their perspective. It is next to impossible to have a completely objective review. I respond to some of Roosh's ponderings on why everybody believes mhaye's claim now when so few did when he claimed: pygmyrugger responds to that with: Roosh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpreted this to mean we shouldn't lambblast (what's the word I'm looking for there?) people who didn't believe MHaye's claim -at the time-, even though we believe it -now-. Except he himself didn't believe mhaye's claim either, and expresses his disbelief quite strongly: I think mhays role claim is bunk. Yeah, "shouldn't take too long" to figure out what bingo board would best benefit the scum, and influence the town's votes during the day. I'm not buying it for a second. So is pygmyrugger just cynical, or...? FoS pygmyrugger(fluff)By the way, I totally recommend a reading of "Improbable Role Mafia", "Worst Role Ever", and "Bastard Mod Mafia" on mafia scum. Hilariously entertaining.(/fluff)
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 23, 2007 10:30:03 GMT -5
dotchan, I don't understand your intent of the first half of your post, or the second half, but I can address the second. I didn't believe MHaye, and said we shouldn't chastise those who didn't believe him at the time. I don't see how that's cynical, as I would be hypocritical to attack somebody based on that logic.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 23, 2007 10:34:58 GMT -5
I guess I should try answering these things in order, instead of starting at the end? Roosh, correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpreted this to mean we shouldn't lambblast (what's the word I'm looking for there?) people who didn't believe MHaye's claim -at the time-, even though we believe it -now-. Are you asking me my thoughts on Dotchan's post? I'm not sure what she's going at with her thing. It's really just inconsistencies. I could see it as protecting a player, or i could see it as not. I admit my views on Dotchan are biased, and I'm curious as to you asking me about her posts. Because i do admit i tend to think the more evil when i see her posts. Which is one reason i'm not voting for Dotchan. I don't believe I can judge her fairly, and I want to see if others have an argument there, or if I'd just been making all of this up on my own, and perhaps being manipulated into thinking Dotchan is guilty all along. your question, perplexes me Pygmy. Shouldn't you be asking Dotchan instead? Well, dotchan was asking you about this, and I tried to clarify it for her. That's why I said you should correct me if I misinterpreted it. I didn't want to put words in your mouth. <snip> What i'm surprised about is how many people seem to "believe" Mhaye's claims NOW. If it was me that day, I'd totally be in disbelief about such a role, but it seems all i hear now is how people are unwilling to die for Mhaye, or people who didn't support the role claim are the scum.<snip>
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 23, 2007 11:39:35 GMT -5
I was just expressing my surprise at Roosh's surprise that everybody believes mhaye's role now that it was revealed. It's unavoidable that we'd be looking at the Chia Bingo Master fiasco through tinted lenses, as it were, because now we have information we didn't have when it first happened.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 23, 2007 11:53:15 GMT -5
Wonder why Blaster Master hasn't spoken up to answer story's accusations...
(slightly tongue in cheek) o/~ Suspicious! o/~ (/slightly tongue in cheek)
...but I guess since his neck isn't on the line (yet), he can afford to not check the boards on a constant basis.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 23, 2007 11:55:04 GMT -5
nesta, I'm trying to respond to the post you voted for me, but I've already accidently deleted the whole thing twice. Hopefully I'll stay alive toDay and toNight, so I can respond to it toMorrow, I don't think I'll be able to get it out. I may go for a short version. I was just expressing my surprise at Roosh's surprise that everybody believes mhaye's role now that it was revealed. It's unavoidable that we'd be looking at the Chia Bingo Master fiasco through tinted lenses, as it were, because now we have information we didn't have when it first happened. I think that's what we're all saying.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Aug 23, 2007 12:15:49 GMT -5
I don't think I can ignore dotchan's slips anymore, and I havne't placed a vote yet, so I'm going to have to vote dotchan.
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Post by nesta on Aug 23, 2007 12:16:33 GMT -5
Just one thing, though - pygmyrugger's gender icon identifies him as male. Sorry pygmy if I used the wrong pronoun in there somewhere. I know you're male, I promise. When I'm tired I end up forgetting the gender of some people for some reason.
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Post by RoOsh on Aug 23, 2007 13:05:39 GMT -5
dotchan, I don't understand your intent of the first half of your post, or the second half, -snip- I DO have to agree with this, Dotchan. I can't tell if in your post you were defending yourself, or if you were accusing PygmyRugger. It was kinda like you put the quotes out there as evidence. But I'm not seeing what you're seeing from them. Like at one point I believe you said "Why'd he think the worst of my words" or something like that.... That just confused me.... Because alot of people, including myself, thought/think the worst of the "Ooh Shiny" statement. Like what's it got to do with Pygmy specifically? Perhaps some clarifications, please? Ie: My question- Are you really accusing him of something (in which case prod harder) or are you making a really weak defense of yourself to protect from the lynch?
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 23, 2007 13:15:58 GMT -5
It was more of my thinking-out-loud thing, especially in regards to the posts where he reinterprets posts to sound scummy.
But...blah. It's an hour to deadline. I don't think I can convince anyone that I'm innocent, and with the way I've been playing I doubt I'd be of any help in endgame.
Go town. Don't let my distracting shininess be a hindrance.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:25:07 GMT -5
It was more of my thinking-out-loud thing, especially in regards to the posts where he reinterprets posts to sound scummy. But...blah. It's an hour to deadline. I don't think I can convince anyone that I'm innocent, and with the way I've been playing I doubt I'd be of any help in endgame. Go town. Don't let my distracting shininess be a hindrance. Uh, is it actually an hour until the deadline? Shit crap damn crap - I seriously thought it was Wednesday today. Shit crap damn crap.
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:25:16 GMT -5
Oh, hell, I've been trying to finish grading some stuff and forgot about the early deadline today. Do we have a vote count, even unofficial? Need to read fast. .
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:29:25 GMT -5
Ok, is it Dot 4: BM, DC, MS, Pyg Pyg 2- nesta, Roosh? Digg 1- capy? BM 1- Story MS 1- Dot
Verification of that?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:29:50 GMT -5
My wildly improvised vote count:
dotchan (4) - Blaster Master, diggitcamara, Mad the Swine, pygmy rugger pygmy rugger (2) - Roosh, nesta diggitcamera (1) - capybara Blaster Master (1) - storyteller0910 Mad the Swine (1) - dotchan
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Post by Hal Briston on Aug 23, 2007 13:29:57 GMT -5
Do we have a vote count, even unofficial? Need to read fast. . According to my chart we're at: dotchan (4) -- Blaster, Diggit, Mad & pygmy pygmy (2) -- nesta & Roosh Blaster (1) -- storyteller Diggit (1) -- capybara Mad (1) -- dotchan
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:32:05 GMT -5
Do we get an extension for a tie or is Idle cracking down?
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:34:54 GMT -5
Just in case, I'll switch to the one I honestly think is scum of the two. Not that they don't both seem scummy.
reluctantly unvote diggit vote Pygmyruggerrugger
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:44:40 GMT -5
Ok, is it Dot 4: BM, DC, MS, Pyg Pyg 2- nesta, Roosh? Digg 1- capy? BM 1- Story MS 1- Dot Verification of that? capy - well, looks like we match. That's probably good news. Bad news is the situation right now. I can't believe I spaced out like that. OK, I'm not seeing much hope for dotchan here, not with so little time remaining, but here's what I think: I laid out two of the longer posts I've made, outlining a case against Blaster Master. I've gotten response and feedback from the two Geniuses, and a few minor responses from others, but on the whole, other than nesta and capy, those posts might as well have never happened. It's not that no one is agreeing with me that I find curious - it's that so many players are ignoring that angle altogether, to do exactly what I thought was a bad idea at the beginning of this Day - point at dotchan and say, "hey, look over there!" There's a block of players who have done essentially nothing but that for the whole Day, ignoring the cases made against players other than dot. I firmly believe that this is a very bad sign. I think it suggests that Blaster Master might in fact be guilty, and the scum are trying to divert people from the argument. If he were innocent, I'd have expected a few scum to jump on and agree with me, figuring they could score a free townie lynch and frame another townie in the process. And here's the problem. Suppose I'm right, and Blaster is a psychopath. This mass swing of votes toward dotchan could be an attempt to divert attention from him and lynch a townie. But it would be a short term fix, because we'd all be back tomorrow on the same subject, and without the distraction. But suppose dotchan is scum. And suppose the remaining scum push for her lynch here today, and she dies. Well, that cements the people who voted for her as trustworthy. Maybe it takes Blaster back out of the spotlight, where the Survivor belongs. I don't know what to do.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:45:42 GMT -5
Do we get an extension for a tie or is Idle cracking down? Yeah, I need to know the answer to that. If we get an extension and subsequent runoff I will switch my vote to pygmy and force the tie, but if there will be a no-lynch resulting from that I emphatically will not do it.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 23, 2007 13:48:10 GMT -5
It doesn't look like Idle is online right now.
I definitely don't want to end the Day with a No-Lynch either. Even if that means I get *gulp* lynched.
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:49:13 GMT -5
I've actually just read some bits of yesterDay and Today again and I'm not so sure of Pygmy as scum. . . and I don't know if I like the lesser-evil runoff option either. Dotchan, even if town, has been a distraction, but, if town. . .
I'm looking at Pygmy's votes for NAF. Really didn't have to do that.
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:50:48 GMT -5
Ok, Idle didn't start the day with any no-lynch scenario stated, and the policy so far has been a regular-time extension, and no-lynch option in overtime. Dare we assume Idle will go with precedent?
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2007 13:53:39 GMT -5
And Story, I like your Blaster thesis-- Mad's been TOO insane, possibly. There's not much we can do about it today, I don't think.
I really don't like the look of the particular votes on Dot (save Pyg which is in self defense partially at least). That's what makes me hesitate and want a tie, but I don't think we get a great set of options there, either, and it may be a total red herring vote between two townies.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:54:20 GMT -5
Shit. Where is the entire freaking town right now? Indecision reigns. Thoughts on the value of a runoff period, from all three people hanging around at the moment? Type fast.
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Post by nesta on Aug 23, 2007 13:56:08 GMT -5
I loathe another runoff, but it's probably best for the town. I say tie it up. There's no reason why Idle would back out of the tie policy now.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:57:12 GMT -5
Does anyone wonder why dotchan has not shifted her vote to pygmy rugger? It would grant her the runoff period and another day's grace.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 23, 2007 13:58:13 GMT -5
Oh, to hell with this:
unvote Blaster Master
vote pygmy rugger [/blue]
I wish I liked the alternative better, but let's at least talk abotu it for a while.
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Post by nesta on Aug 23, 2007 13:58:16 GMT -5
I've stopped asking myself why dotchan does or doesn't do anything.
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Post by Death By Irony on Aug 23, 2007 13:58:19 GMT -5
Does anyone wonder why dotchan has not shifted her vote to pygmy rugger? It would grant her the runoff period and another day's grace. Well, I suppose, if you insist. unvote madtheswinevote pygmyrugger
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